Denver signs tender w/David Anderson [Texans Match Offer]

popanot · #1 02-27-2009, 08:32 PM

Heard a report on the radio that Denver offered a tender to WR David Anderson. I don't have any pertinent details, and I can't find anything official on the InterWebs yet, but the report indicated it was in the neighborhood of a ~$1.5M bonus + the contract (I didn't catch any details on that). The Texans would get Denver's 7th round pick if the they decide not to match.

TexicanMexican · #2 02-27-2009, 09:26 PM

Found this link from National Football Post:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...ing-to-denver/

Nconroe · #3 02-27-2009, 09:50 PM

well, I like David, and he is/was our fourth receiver. Smart player. I hope if he goes we can get more than 7th for him.

Keith · #4 02-27-2009, 10:11 PM

Mark Berman from FOX26 said it was a three-year deal Anderson signed.

As I posted in the other RFA thread, I would have tendered him with the 2nd rounder. It doesn't sound like this is a crazy offer, but with Andre Johnson and Andre Davis already paid well, plus Kevin Walter due a WR2 contract after this season, I'm not sure what sort of salary slot the Texans have in mind for Anderson.

Keith · #5 02-27-2009, 10:14 PM

more details from the chron:

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In a surprising move, Denver signed receiver David Anderson, a third-year restricted free agent, to a three-year, $4.5 million offer sheet that includes a $1 million signing bonus. The Texans have a week to match Anderson’s deal or let him go and get a seventh-round pick in return.

Surprising? Uhhhhh.... no. I'd match and slap Rick Smith on the wrist. Anderson's cap value this year has to be under $1 million still, so even as a WR4, this isn't a cap killer.

ETA - The Texans were committing $1.01 million in cash anyway to Anderson this year. That matches the signing bonus. I would guess the first year salary would be around the vet minimum or so, meaning the cash to keep Anderson in 2009 would be roughly the same as it would have been had he received the 2nd round tender. Seems like a no-brainer to me to match this, but then again, I would have never put the team in this position to begin with, so who knows what will happen here.

Nconroe · #6 02-27-2009, 10:19 PM

well, Denver has been pretty active today, but not really impressive gets it seems. I guess I'd match this 4.5 offer, but its close. Good for David though.

popanot · #7 02-27-2009, 10:27 PM

Can these RFA offers contain poison pills? I wonder if there's something hidden in the offer that would prevent us from matching? Honestly though, I'm not as worried as some about losing DA. I really don't think he brought anything to the table that AD/JJ/OD/Dressen or a decent FA/draft pick couldn't take up the slack on. DA was good at finding an open slot in the 5~10yd. range, but he was never a deep threat or a threat to break a big play.

Keith · #8 02-27-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

Can these RFA offers tenders contain poison pills? I wonder if there's something hidden in the offer that would prevent us from matching?

Theoretically, yes. But usually the poison pill is to front-load the cap figure to make it harder for a cap-laden team to match. The Texans have ample cap room, so I doubt there is anything fishy here.

I can understand the casual attitude from some thinking it's okay to let Anderson go (I'm guessing he would probably relish a return to Colorado).

It's probably something the Bengals felt when the Texans signed Kevin Walter to an offer sheet for a 7th rounder. Nothing too exhorbitant in the offer, no poison pill, just more than the Bengals wanted to pay since they felt they had a deep WR corps, what with T.J. Whosyourmama, OchoCinco, and Chris Henry. Fast foward to 2009... think the Bengals would like Walter back?

Walter had 19-211-1 (11.1 avg) for a statline in 2005. Anderson in 2008 had 19-241-2 (12.7 avg). They look different in person, but otherwise the comparison is eerily similar.

superbowlbound · #9 02-27-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

Can these RFA offers contain poison pills? I wonder if there's something hidden in the offer that would prevent us from matching? Honestly though, I'm not as worried as some about losing DA. I really don't think he brought anything to the table that AD/JJ/OD/Dressen or a decent FA/draft pick couldn't take up the slack on. DA was good at finding an open slot in the 5~10yd. range, but he was never a deep threat or a threat to break a big play.

Um, If we don't match, we lose the string dance forever, and that would be damn shame. Sure didn't take long for someone to pounce on him, did it? Looks like we got vonta leach'd again.

popanot · #10 02-27-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith

Theoretically, yes. But usually the poison pill is to front-load the cap figure to make it harder for a cap-laden team to match. The Texans have ample cap room, so I doubt there is anything fishy here.

I can understand the casual attitude from some thinking it's okay to let Anderson go (I'm guessing he would probably relish a return to Colorado).

It's probably something the Bengals felt when the Texans signed Kevin Walter to an offer sheet for a 7th rounder. Nothing too exhorbitant in the offer, no poison pill, just more than the Bengals wanted to pay since they felt they had a deep WR corps, what with T.J. Whosyourmama, OchoCinco, and Chris Henry. Fast foward to 2009... think the Bengals would like Walter back?

Walter had 19-211-1 (11.1 avg) for a statline in 2005. Anderson in 2008 had 19-241-2 (12.7 avg). They look different in person, but otherwise the comparison is eerily similar.

I was thinking a poision pill like; "If player XYZ plays X amount of games in Texas the player gets an extra $$$ in bonus or contract money". Something corny like that.

As for losing DA, I find it hard to compare him and Walters. Walters is much more explosive and has/had much higher upside potential. I can see some comparions of DA to Wes Welker or Brandon Stokley, but I don't think DA will ever reach their productivity. Sorry, I just don't see it happening. If Andre D can stay healthy, I think he's much more dangerous in the slot than DA was. I'd take Angry Dre, Davis and Walters over Dre, DA and Walters.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like him to be here. It's just that I don't see it as that big of a deal if he goes. Even if he does well, I don't think I'd ever think back and say "damn we should have kept him".

HPF Bob · #11 02-27-2009, 10:51 PM

Anderson played at Colorado St. so he may just want to go home.

I read where the Broncos were also pursuing Jabar Gaffney. The New England OC they hired for head coach apparently loves Welkeresque receivers.

kravix · #12 02-27-2009, 10:53 PM

I hope we match. I think that Kubes likes DA. I am also hoping that the low tender was a wish in the well that no other teams were catching on to what we have potentialy in our #3-4 reciever.

I have this odd feeling that DA is one of the "guys" in the locker room that gives this team a odd ball feeling to it, personality wise. It has also been reported that his work ethic and dedication is huge. Losing a guy that is as versital as he is with the ability to produce with the chances he has been given could be a bad thing.

popanot · #13 02-27-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by superbowlbound

Sure didn't take long for someone to pounce on him, did it? Looks like we got vonta leach'd again.

So just because someone quickly signed him to an offer sheet means he's destined to be a star?

painekiller · #14 02-27-2009, 11:02 PM

Not so sure I would match the offer. Like Bob said the kid may just be trying to go home. And because I have my eye on this kid, Johnny Knox

Keith · #15 02-27-2009, 11:38 PM

http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20090227.html

I'd prefer to keep Anderson, eschew the 7th rounder, and use my other picks to continue to address the needs on defense and running back.

Arky · #16 02-28-2009, 01:06 AM

I'm with popanot on this one. If the Texans match, fine. If they don't, not a big deal. Maybe use that 7th rounder on a future punter..... Turk ain't gonna last forever...I'd rather see AD or JJ get more reps, anyway. Although DA did an admirable job while he was on the field, he's just not going to run away from anybody....

dadmg · #17 02-28-2009, 02:38 AM

whoops. Guess that's what happens when you try to slip one by. I'd be mildly surprised to see us match even though I like Anderson.

mussop · #18 02-28-2009, 04:09 AM

Im happy for the guy. He had to work his ass off to get this far. He deserves this. No matter where he plays I wish him well and hope he plays great.*

*Unless he is playing against us.

nunusguy · #19 02-28-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dadmg

whoops. Guess that's what happens when you try to slip one by. I'd be mildly surprised to see us match even though I like Anderson.

I dunno but perhaps that just tells us they don't really value him that much ? We'll soon see.
A downside it would seem is that its now not as easy to deal Jacobey ?

mussop · #20 02-28-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

I dunno but perhaps that just tells us they don't really value him that much ? We'll soon see.
A downside it would seem is that its now not as easy to deal Jacobey ?

We did talk to alot of WR's/returners at the combine.