2009 needs

[painekiller]

I know most of you cringe when I do these threads. But I have to do it. I need my fix.

Our Preseason perceived needs for next years draft.

DE opposite Mario
TE
OLB
DB
WR
RB (we will draft a RB every year or every other year)


Guys who should be on the radar:
Tyson Jackson LSU DE

James Laurinaitis Ohio St OLB
Rey Maualuga USC MLB
Brian Cushing USC OLB
Sean Lee Penn St. OLB

Malcolm Jenkins Ohio St. CB
William Moore Missouri S

Travis Beckum Wisconsin TE
Brandon Pettigrew Ok St. TE

Michael Oher Mississippi OT
Alex Mack Cal OC/OG
Max Unger Oregon OT

Chris Wells Ohio St RB (Jr)

This is by no means a complete list. And I skipped some guys that might not be good fits for our schemes. This appears to be a solid LB and OT year. Weak QB.

Add some names and let's start the list.

[nero THE zero]

I don't really see how WR is a need. We have four entrenched recievers and the fifth spot is really a non-issue. If Jacoby totally bombs then I think we need to draft another reciever but I think we're pretty deep there as of now.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

I don't really see how WR is a need. We have four entrenched recievers and the fifth spot is really a non-issue. If Jacoby totally bombs then I think we need to draft another reciever but I think we're pretty deep there as of now.

It probably won't be a first round type of need, but i definitely think we'll look at WR harder than we did this year.

I'll go with PK on RB....it's something to look at nearly every year, and with Green/Brown injury history and the fact that we still don't know what we have with Taylor we could suddenly be desperate for a RB.

A DE is a likely need. SLB could still be a need...I love Laurinitas and Maualuga.

We will probaly need a TE to replace Bruener....didn't we sign an UDFA who could fit that mold. Not saying he will....it just came to mind when writing this.

DB-I'm hopefull with the safeties for some reason, even though I habitually complain about them. We have no idea if Dunta will be back to what he was before. The test for Bennet will be this year, and Molden is an unknown. So unless the staff is right about Reeves we could be looking for CB again.

OL/DL-ALWAYS IMO

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I know most of you cringe when I do these threads. But I have to do it. I need my fix.

Our Preseason perceived needs for next years draft.

DE opposite Mario
TE
OLB
DB
WR
RB (we will draft a RB every year or every other year)


Malcolm Jenkins Ohio St. CB
William Moore Missouri S

Michael Oher Mississippi OT
Alex Mack Cal OC/OG
Max Unger Oregon OT


Add some names and let's start the list.

1. LT Alex Boone - if he's available when we pick, I can shuffle the OL.
2. CB Malcolm Jenkins - next year's Antoine Cason.
3. DE Doug Worthing - Gee, Ohio St. should be fun to watch.
4. RB James Davis - I wanted him to come out this year for us.
5. TE Cornelius Ingram - I wonder if Tebow throws to him more.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I know most of you cringe when I do these threads. But I have to do it. I need my fix.

Our Preseason perceived needs for next years draft.

DE opposite Mario

Add some names and let's start the list.

PK, add Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech to that list, he is a rangy and explosive DE.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by jppaul

PK, add Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech to that list, he is a rangy and explosive DE.

I am looking for a good RDE, pass rusher who can play the run. So are every other team in the NFL. Might settle for a specialist who can come in during passing situations, if we can find in him in the 3rd or 4th. Next year we can finally afford to BPA instead of BPA for need.

I agree with Roy, Ohio St appears loaded again, and USC still has a ton a talent for next year.

This next draft currently appears loaded at OT again at the top, and Boone is high on my list, but I want to watch him with an eye on Gibbs system and how he implements it in Houston. Should be a fun a year.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by jppaul

PK, add Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech to that list, he is a rangy and explosive DE.

Plus he has a giraffe neck which is pretty unique.

(<-- GaTech fan)

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

1. LT Alex Boone - if he's available when we pick, I can shuffle the OL.

Not too optimistic about the current plan for Duane Brown as the LT solution ?

[Roy P]

I'm not saying Brown is going to be a bust, I'm just saying that Boone is going to be a special player.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

4. RB James Davis - I wanted him to come out this year for us.

If we don't get the top RB, here are some interesting guys to watch this fall to see how they develop.

RB Dennis Kennedy Akron - 5' 11" 215lbs (next year's Jalen Parmele)
RB Ontario Sneed Central Michigan - 5' 11" 215lbs
RB Mike Davis South Carolina - 5' 9" 212lbs (Another Game Cock?)
RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska - 6' 0" 210lbs (Ahman Green 10 years ago?)

[painekiller]

Some DE to watch, and a small write up on them from Rivals

Maurice Evans, DE, Penn State*
Very strong at the point of attack for a player who is such a good pass rusher (12½ sacks in '07). He uses good leverage and is considered a smart player. Some feel he's a better long-term prospect than Chris Long.

Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
Looking for a potential combine warrior in 2009? Johnson could be it. He's only made one college start, but scouts swear by the former basketball player's athleticism and upside.

Greg Middleton, DE, Indiana*
NFL teams covet pass-rushing ends, and Middleton – who led the nation with 16 sacks last season – is just that. He was a consensus All-Big Ten selection.

George Selvie, DE, South Florida*
Considered a little on the light side, but is highly productive. Named Big East defensive player of the year in 2007. Has a great first step and very good athleticism.

Kyle Moore, DE, USC*
Scouts love his versatility but would like to see more production. Moore has a great frame and even drops into coverage at times.

* - Denotes underclassman.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by jppaul

PK, add Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech to that list, he is a rangy and explosive DE.

Got'em now, thanks jp

[painekiller]

WaltersFootball.com's Mike McGuire has his top 5 offensive players by position out

A few highlights: (click on the link above to see the whole list.

Offensive Tackles


Michael Oher, Ole Miss
Owning elite size and athleticism, Oher is the best left tackle prospect since Orlando Pace.


Eugene Monroe, Virginia
Isn't quite the athlete that D'Brickashaw Ferguson was, but he can hold his own in the footwork department.


Ciron Black, LSU
A ton of starting experience for such a young player. Shut down Vernon Gholston in the National Championship.


Alex Boone, Ohio State
With great size and solid footwork, he's a more athletic Jeremy Trueblood.


Dace Richardson, Iowa
Year in, year out Richardson is one of the most underrated offensive linemen in the country. Technically dominates opponents with great athleticism for the position.

An my early favorite to break the never a RB in the 1st rule

Chris "Beanie" Wells, Ohio State
Amazing speed for a guy who is 6-1, 230 pounds. He does have a second burst unlike most bigger backs. Scary potential.

[painekiller]

WaltersFootball.com's Mike McGuire has his top 5 defensive players by position out

A few highlights

Defensive Ends

Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
Excellent height and speed to be the prototypical 4-3 edge rusher in the mold of Simeon Rice.

Greg Hardy, Ole Miss
In the mold of a Jarvis Moss, but he can't have a disappointing junior season.

Tyson Jackson, LSU
Needs to live up to his physical potential, and he has all the tools to dominate.

George Selvie, South Florida
Despite being No. 4 on my list of ends, Selvie is my No. 1 DE/OLB for 3-4 defenses.

Greg Middleton, Indiana
Led the country in sacks with 16.

And one of my favorites who did not come out last year, a real ball hawk at safety.

William Moore, Missouri
Outstanding production and leadership, but speed is on the short side. Reminds me of John Lynch.

[painekiller]

New Era Scouting has ranked the seniors, #1 to #300.

Top 32

1. Michael Oher OT Ole Miss
2. Rey Maualuga ILB USC
3. Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
4. James Davis RB Clemson
5. William Moore FS Missouri
6. Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
7. James Laurinaitis OLB Ohio State
8. Brian Cushing OLB USC
9. Fili Moala DT USC
10. Curtis Painter QB Purdue
11. Cullen Harper QB Clemson
12. Tyson Jackson DE LSU
13. Jeremy Perry OG Oregon State
14. Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
15. Max Unger OT Oregon
16. Phil Loadholt OT Oklahoma
17. Victor Harris CB Virginia Tech
18. Arian Foster RB Tennessee
19. Demetrius Byrd WR LSU
20. Travis Beckum TE Wisconsin
21. Sean Lee OLB Penn State
22. Chase Coffman TE Missouri
23. Alex Boone OT Ohio State
24. Marlon Lucky RB Nebraska
25. Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati
26. Terrance Taylor DT Michigan
27. Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
28. Herman Johnson OG LSU
29. Nic Harris FS Oklahoma
30. Darry Beckwith OLB LSU
31. Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest
32. Patrick Chung SS Oregon

Note Alex Mack barely missed this cut. And this is just senior. It will be fun to see who drops and who climbs.

[NBT]

We should be drafting in the high 20's next year, so it is going to be sweet that we can finally just sit back and take the best player that is still there. Or will we play the trade game again?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by NBT

We should be drafting in the high 20's next year, so it is going to be sweet that we can finally just sit back and take the best player that is still there. Or will we play the trade game again?

Well if you look at 32 guys above and then realize they are all seniors, you can see some solid names slipping when the junior start to come out. That said I am always in favor of the trade down.

If we pick in the mid teens, grab a DE that complements Mario and do not look back.

[edo783]

Assuming our CBs workout, I expect that the logical pick would be a DE edge rusher.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I know most of you cringe when I do these threads. But I have to do it. I need my fix.

Our Preseason perceived needs for next years draft.

DE opposite Mario
TE
OLB
DB
WR
RB (we will draft a RB every year or every other year)

interesting order.

i'd say barring unforseen development/production out of diles AND adibi, OLB probably takes my #1 need. that's just me guessing that morlon greenwood gets a duece chucked to him after '09 though.

i assume you're outing DE as your #1 need to place emphasis on pass rushing? i'm all for getting a DE but i think if mario, amobi and to a lesser extent okam, t.j., and kalu play well this year they are a young enough group to expect the same result for a few years at least. adding a pass rusher certainly helps, but i'd rather pick a guy out in later rounds, maybe even a day 2 guy who has pass rushing tools, but needs good coaching to turn physical ability into a complete game.

i like the TE nod, and totally wonder how many times an opposing DC mentions "we're boned" in the gameplan room if kubiak had 2 TE guys that could block and catch.

the WR pick makes little sense even if j.j. busts. walter is a great possession guy, davis is a great speed guy and a.j. is both. adding on OD, and in your scenario another TE would be more than sufficient attention to the pass attack. besides, with one legit man and 3 (or however many) sidekicks another sidekick (5th rounder) won't impact the group much. I would get one early who would without a doubt supplant walter/davis/jones for the #2 gig or not select one at all.

i agree with your point of RB being a frequent low-round selection for us. I KNOW PHILOSOPHIES WHEN I SEE THEM!!!! WHO SAID I DON'T!?!?!

so what would i do?

1. OLB/S/WR
2. TE/S/G
3. S/G/DE
4. DE/RB/OL
5. RB/OL/DL
6./7. I think Kubiak is awesome at coaching players up and at this point I'm willing to give him the 6th and 7th rounds to make a project of anyone at any position ESPECIALLY quarterback and yes, I remember we selected Alex Brink like a month ago.

[NBT]

I see it something like this, depending on injuries and retirements: LB, OL, CB/S, QB (to coach up for when Sage is gone), & finally RB.

I would like to see Anthony Weaver gone so RDE would be my #1 pick next year.

If we go after FA's I hope someone besides Bobbie Grier is evaluating them.