Manning - Let's go all in! On 2nd thought... I'm torn...

popanot · #1 03-11-2012, 11:44 AM

Figured I'd start a new thread just for Manning. Part of me wants us to go all in, be bold, and just go for it. The other part of me knows the risk and wants to stay status-quo and live with what we have. Couple of talking points:

1. Is an 80%~90% Manning still better than Schaub?
2. Is Schaub's current injury any less risky than Manning's? IMO, they're both question marks. I mean, if you lose either one of them, we're done, right?
3. Would brining in Manning ignite the roster or tear it apart?

Although Schaub injury seems to be the less risky in that it doesn't appear to be career threathening (as opposed to Manning's), there should be some concern there - at least for the short-term 2012 season. Who's to say he'll be OK and/or won't reaggravate it? IMO, the biggest risk with Manning would be the fact that if you can't get at least 2-3 years out of him, you've seriously set your franchise back. Schaub probably covers us for 3-5 years as long as he's healthy.

Regardless, this team probably needs to do something at the backup QB position. Is anyone comfortable going into 2012 with a somewhat questionable Schaub and TJ?

HPF Bob · #2 03-11-2012, 01:26 PM

I'm fine with Schaub's health as long as he stayed away from Yao Ming's foot surgeon. I mean, how often does a quarterback's foot take a hit? I don't believe Schaub will ever be the quarterback Manning has been but I do feel Schaub's best years are ahead of him and Manning's best years are behind him. Why would you trade Schaub's future for Manning's?

For what Schaub gets paid, you'd think he could have a custom-designed shoe to protect the stress point a little extra. Surely, with enough lead time, that can be done. Of course, Manning could also wear a neck brace but I think the neck is still more vulnerable to a hit than a foot is.

Much of the Texans' roster is ready to win now. I understand that. Losing the QB could destroy the season but I thought Yates did great for a rookie with little practice time. Sure, he was raw but even a rookie Peyton Manning would have made mistakes and thrown into coverage a few times, especially against a defense like the Ravens.

I think you "dance with who brung ya" and that would be Schaub, despite his occasional WTF interceptions like the one that cost us the Raiders game. Manning would change the entire premise of the offense which is built on zone blocking and play-action off the run. It would probably take at least half the year for our offense to adjust to the way Manning would want it to run.

If Leinart is not retained (and I see no reason to keep him), there ought to be a decent back up for insurance if you feel antsy about Schaub but I'm willing to roll the dice with Schaub as the starter and Yates as the #2.

WMH · #3 03-12-2012, 02:26 PM

I for one just don't get how people are over looking the fact that the guy might not be able to play at all, much less after he takes a hit. IF he can play, and shows teams in workouts that he can still fling it (which he has yet to do), then the taking a hit thing will be in place until September. At that point, your wagons are hitched permenantly, and you sure as hell better have a 1a backup (which we couldn't due to cap issues). While I was impressed with what he did, and the way he handled himself, I don't really want to see TJ for 15 games this season.

I'll take my chances with a possible gimpy foot with a fairly immobile QB.

Oh, and there's this.
Freaking Bud.....
From PFT:
And the Peyton watch continues.

Despite a report that the hottest free agent since Reggie White, or ever, was done making trips, Peyton Manning will be conducting Rocky Top one more time when he heads Nashville to visit the Titans, according to Michael Lombardi of NFL Network.

On Sunday, Titans owner Bud Adams made it known publicly that he wants Manning, even though the front office and/or coaching staff in Tennessee may not.

Manning has visited the Broncos and Cardinals. It’s unknown whether he’ll visit the Dolphins.

Some believe Peyton wants to play for the Texans, who have so far shown no interest in chasing the man who had a large role in Houston’s expansion team needing a full decade to expand their season beyond Week 17. If that’s true, flirting with the Titans could be the only thing that ever wakes up the Texans. If the alternative to having him on the team is to continue to compete with him directly, having him on the team may not be so bad.

WMH · #4 03-12-2012, 03:38 PM

Hmmmm.......

"Inquired" is a pretty loose term, IMHO.

From PFT:
Well, well, well. Plenty of Texans fans think I’m nuts to even suggest that the Texans would be nuts not to pursue Peyton Manning.

I still may be nuts, but at least the Texans-Peyton theory no longer is evidence of it.

Mike Klis of the Denver Post reports that the Texans recently inquired about Manning. The Texans are now regarded as one of the six teams alive in the Peyton chase, along with the Broncos, Dolphins, Cardinals, Titans, and 49ers.

The Texans and 49ers should have been at the front of the line from the start for Peyton. Either team would instantly become the odds-on favorite to win their conference championship with a healthy Peyton in the fold.

Klis also reports that, along with other teams, the Broncos have been talking generally about a contract for Manning with agent Tom Condon.

The Texans’ interest possibly has been sparked by the Titans’ interest. If nothing else, the Texans need to make it look like they tried to get Peyton, in the event he ends up with the Titans and lead them to the AFC South title.

NBT · #5 03-12-2012, 06:30 PM

I'm not much of a better, so I would stay with the 4 years younger, but less talented Schaub.

#1 Manning probably doesn't want to play in the same division with the Colts, where he would have to play them twice a year.

#2 I don't think Manning would like to play for a Bud Adams team, even though "Bottom Line" said Manning is my man. My People know it and will act accordingly. This, of course, is just my opinion.

Blitzwood · #6 03-12-2012, 09:11 PM

And now it's official.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bfBwP?u...houston-texans

today · #7 03-13-2012, 11:04 AM

I think Peyton has some good football left in him, but I do not want him to play for us. We spent all those years trying to beat him and we couldn't do it until we turned the corner this past year. The last thing I want is for us to win the Super Bowl and have it be all about Peyton. I say let him go to the Titans and we'll beat them out on our way to the Superdome.

I really respect Peyton, but I want to beat him not win with him.

barrett · #8 03-13-2012, 11:44 AM

I'm actually not that choosy about how we win our superbowls. We could recruit the enemy, while using bounties on the opponent and video taping the opponents walk through. As long as we are superbowl champs I'll be a happy fan. There is no 2nd place in the nfl as far as I'm concerned.

HPF Bob · #9 03-13-2012, 11:57 AM

We might be grateful the Titans are now going after Manning (and his friend Steve Hutchinson) because, before that, they were planning to go after Mario Williams. Per ESPN.com:

Quote:

The Titans also were preparing to make a major run at Houston Texans defensive end Mario Williams, but the organization has shifted its focus to Manning, a league source said.

chuck · #10 03-13-2012, 12:59 PM

I'm with barrett. Draft kids from all the colleges I particularly hate, sign Finnegan, you know, I don't really care as long as they win.

I guess I do care about how the players conduct themselves off the field.

Anyway, it has certainly occurred to me that the Texans are displaying interest in Manning to drive the Titans' price up.

popanot · #11 03-14-2012, 12:23 PM

You know damn well it's going to be Possum Holler. Not even Manning wants to deal with that Tebow mess. Just when it appears Possum Holler is cleaning house of all the jerks, they give us more reason to hate them. I hope like hell someone on the Texans D plants this guy right into retirement.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/P...Broncos-031312

NBT · #12 03-14-2012, 01:32 PM

Finnegan signed with Jeff fisher, his old boss, per NFL network.

WMH · #13 03-19-2012, 11:10 AM

Manning to the Broncos.

HPF Bob · #14 03-19-2012, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMH

Manning to the Broncos.

I thought it was a mistake to draft Tebow and I think it is a mistake to sign Manning. The Broncos are now going to sign a ton of vets to put around Manning with a "must win" attitude for the next four years to win a Super Bowl which will probably fail and then leave the team with a old, expensive team in 2017 that will have to be rebuilt from the ground up.

Early rumors are that the Patriots are going to be the ones to trade for Tebow (McDaniels is back on their staff and Tebow's security blanket at Florida, Aaron Hernandez, is on the roster) but is backing up Brady going to be any easier than backing up Manning in Denver? Some Bronco fans are thinking of a straight-up Tebow-for-Ryan-Mallett deal.

nunusguy · #15 03-19-2012, 01:22 PM

Alright, glad we don't have that sukker in our division anymore ! But I'm surprised, I was really afraid the Budster would snag Manning ?
The very least the Broncos get out of this is bragging rights about having not one, but both of the 2 greatest QBs to ever play the game on their team at one time or another IMO.

HPF Bob · #16 03-19-2012, 01:27 PM

LMAO at Shannon Sharpe:

"I guess Tebowing really works! You pray to God and He gives you Peyton Manning."

popanot · #17 03-19-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Some Bronco fans are thinking of a straight-up Tebow-for-Ryan-Mallett deal.

It would be silly for the Pats to do that deal. For one, I'd be shocked if Belichick would want the Tebow circus to come to town at all, and second, they could get far more in return for Mallett than a questionable QB/TE/RB (whatever the hell they'd use him for). I'd be willing to bet there are a few teams out there willing to give up a #2 for Mallett. I suspect CLE and MIA would in a heartbeat. Maybe if Denver threw in pick as well...

barrett · #18 03-19-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

It would be silly for the Pats to do that deal. For one, I'd be shocked if Belichick would want the Tebow circus to come to town at all, and second, they could get far more in return for Mallett than a questionable QB/TE/RB (whatever the hell they'd use him for). I'd be willing to bet there are a few teams out there willing to give up a #2 for Mallett. I suspect CLE and MIA would in a heartbeat.

Bellachik loved Tebow the year he came out. He said he wanted him and was suprised by Denver going for him in the 1st.

The problem is TT would have to be willing to give up his starting QB dreams for at least a half decade while becoming a situational player/TE/RB/whatever else Bellachik/McDaniels come up with for however many plays per game. Not sure Tebow will be open to that after the "success" of last season.

Keith · #19 03-19-2012, 03:17 PM

The best part in all of this is how Peyton screwed over Bud's entire offseason. No Peyton, no Mario, no Myers...

I can't imagine what the Broncos' fans must be going through... probably something akin to the VY pre-draft brouhaha we Texans fans suffered through. Tebow is a polarizing figure who is much loved by the "faithful".

popanot · #20 03-19-2012, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett

Bellachik loved Tebow the year he came out. He said he wanted him and was suprised by Denver going for him in the 1st.

The problem is TT would have to be willing to give up his starting QB dreams for at least a half decade while becoming a situational player/TE/RB/whatever else Bellachik/McDaniels come up with for however many plays per game. Not sure Tebow will be open to that after the "success" of last season.

That was before they drafted Mallett, and before Gronk and Hernandez became one of the best TE combo's in the league. Plus, he's had a year to see what TT and the Tebowmaniacs are all about. Not saying it won't happen or no way he lands there, just saying it's highly unlikely, and a TT straight up for Mallett trade doesn't make much sense to me. They could probably get a #2 or high #3 for Mallett and aquire TT for as low as a #5 or #6.