Official 2013 NFL Draft - Rounds 4-7 Thread
 

The hunt for a third string tight end continues...

I was thinking ILB and DT are main needs remaining, although RB, TE, CB, actally all positions could likely use upgrade of depth.

Here is an article with some of top picks available who are recognizable from higher rank , see if we get any of these guys? hard to believe some still not chosen.

http://nfl.si.com/2013/04/27/best-av...fts-third-day/

Overall, I'm good with four selections so far, realize it takes a few years usually to know for sure how guys will do.

I'd like to see us snag a quality kick return guy while we're at it. I don't really like Martin, Manning or the rest of our KR options.

Q: Which USC quarterback most regrets staying in school an extra year, Matt Leinart or Matt Barkley?

Will we draft 2 WRs this year or should I forget about Rogers, Swope, or Patton?

With B. Williams-Not likely we get Bakhtiari or Quessenberry

With Montgomery selection - Giving up hope for Cornelius Washington/Devin Taylor

So: keeping my fingers crossed for
CB Jordan Poyer, BW Webb, Brandon McGee, or Steve Williams.
I might "reach" for Lb AJ Klein right now just out of need.
I want a DT: Jesse Williams, Montori Hughes or Josh Boyd.

Gotta think Barkley. The talking heads were saying Top 20 pick last year, but they've really screwed the pooch this year so who knows.

Here's another good list of available players.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/p...NFL-Draft.html

If we truely go BPA, then Rogers, Franklin, J. Williams, and Nassib.

If we're still addressing need then perhaps Greene, Nico Johnson...

We are on the clock - moving fast now.

Another DE Trevardo Williams Connecticut

Looks like an interesting developmental rush OLB. He has an explosive burst and at the combine he did 30 reps and had a 38" vertical. 30.5 career sacks, a UConn record.

OVERVIEW
The Huskies know that the loss of not only star Kendall Reyes but fellow starting defensive tackle Twyon Martin will hurt, so they're hoping for big seasons from returning impact defensive ends Jesse Joseph and Williams.
Joseph has been the more consistent player of his career and he enters his senior campaign having already started 34 games.

Williams emerged as one of the nation's most feared pass rushers last season, registering 12.5 sacks, including nine in the final five games. With 12.5 sacks over 12 games last season, Williams joined Houston Texans' first round pick Whitney Mercilus in being one of only two players in the FBS to average more than a sack per game.

ANALYSIS
Strengths: Explosive athlete with natural edge-rush ability. Extremely quick get-off to go with flexibility that makes him a consistent threat to round the edge on every play. Big-time closing burst in space. Exhibits an impressive lateral quickness when countering back to the inside from the edge. May have the best pure get-off of anyone edge rusher in this year's class. Relentless motor to the whistle.
Exhibits acceleration to track down the stretch play from the backside. Consistently creates space with good arm extension and impressive punch to his opponent's chest plate. Makes good use of flexibility to generate low leverage at the edge. Possesses elite straight-line speed for an end, and is "plus" in this area among linebackers.

Weaknesses: Under-sized for a traditional 3-point edge rusher, but hasn't shown a lot in terms of lining up as a traditional linebacker, either. Lacks power necessary to consistently generate any kind of bull-rush and is a pure speed rusher who has to rely heavily on his get-off to make the edge.

Flashes a secondary move from time to time, but needs to continue to develop a repertoire if he's going to consistently contribute pressure at the next level. Doesn't exhibit a high level of awareness or instincts as a run defender and may be a one-trick pony. Rarely drops back into coverage, so is tough to grade in space.

Compares To: Dexter Davis, OLB/DE, Seattle Seahawks - Like Davis did at Arizona State, Williams has put up some intriguing sack numbers at the college level (11.5 in '12) despite lacking the size and strength that scouts want to see in an every-down rusher at the next level.

Williams gets off the ball much better than Davis did though, and should warrant a higher pick than the seventh-round selection that the Seahawks used on Davis back in '10. Interest should be strong from a 3-4 team willing to bank on the chance that Williams can be just as effective rushing from a two-point stance as he has been with his hand in the ground.

A legitimate double-digit sack threat in the right system who se upside could be more like Bruce Irvin in year one.

--Derek Stephens
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...vardo-williams
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Pure pass rusher, though smallish. Wade keeps getting his guys. Good deal !

Interesting pick...never heard of the guy but 4.42 speed and 30 reps...sounds like OLB to me. So that's two in a row...

Thought we might finally go for Williams there but I leave it to the scouts

Per Herring, Reed will likely move inside. Mercilous and Montgomery will be the OLBs. Williams will compete with Montgomery.

Round 4 complete:

1 Philadelphia Matt Barkley (QB) USC
2 Kansas City Nico Johnson (ILB) Alabama
3 Tampa Bay Akeem Spence (DT) Illinois
4 Jacksonville Ace Sanders (WR) S Carolina
5 New England Josh Boyce (WR) TCU
6 Arizona Alex Okafor (DE) Texas
7 Miami Jelani Jenkins (OLB) Florida
8 Buffalo Duke Williams (S) Nevada
9 Miami Dion Sims (TE) Mich St
10 Tennessee Brian Schwenke (C) California
11 Carolina Edmund Kugbila (OG) Valdosta St
12 Green Bay David Bakhtiari (OT) Colorado
13 NY Giants Ryan Nassib (QB) Syracuse
14 Pittsburgh Shamarko Thomas (S) Syracuse
15 Oakland Tyler Wilson (QB) Arkansas
16 St. Louis Barrett Jones (C) Alabama
17 Dallas B.W. Webb (CB) W & Mary
18 Pittsburgh Landry Jones (QB) Oklahoma
19 Arizona Earl Watford (OG) JMU
20 Chicago Khaseem Greene (OLB) Rutgers
21 Cincinnati Sean Porter (OLB) Texas A&M
22 Washington Phillip Thomas (S) Fresno St
23 Minnesota Gerald Hodges (OLB) Penn State
24 Indianapolis Khaled Holmes (C) USC
25 Green Bay J.C. Tretter (OG) Cornell
26 Seattle Chris Harper (WR) Kansas St
27 Houston Trevardo Williams (DE) UConn
28 Green Bay Johnathan Franklin (RB) UCLA
29 Tampa Bay William Gholston (DE) Mich St
30 Atlanta Malliciah Goodman (DE) Clemson
31 San Francisco Quinton Patton (WR) La Tech
32 Baltimore John Simon (DE) Ohio St
33 Baltimore Kyle Juszczyk (FB) Harvard
34 San Francisco Marcus Lattimore (RB) S Carolina
35 Detroit Devin Taylor (DE) S Carolina
36 Atlanta Levine Toilolo (TE) Stanford

Arizona is having the draft I wanted.

I have no doubt now that if one of these two OLB can play, Brooks Reed will move inside. I like it. I think him and Cush inside would be huge.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...8-a6b2f718c275

Ya, Arizona and SF are the two teams that jump out to me as having good drafts....

Saint Louis looks pretty good to me.

Need I remind you we play the NFC West this year.

If the Texans get beat next year by a bunch of rookies then we have more problems than we know about.

It never fails to amaze me that someone pays Charley Casserly to talk about football.

Most likely those problems go by the name Kubiak and Schaub...

That would explain why they haven't taken an ILB so far. If the young OLBs can step up, that front seven would give Wade all sorts of options to play with.

Last year we were pretty strong setting the edge vs rushing plays with Barwin & Reed, so I wonder how much of a drop-off they might risk with Mercilus and a rookie in their places ?

It does seem curious that they're apparently going to rely on a pair of rookies at OLB when they were so reluctant to give Mercilus a lot of time last year despite his production.

Texans on the clock........

Trade!

with Rams...

Thinking about this a little more, if Reed does go inside, what does the nickel front look like?

DE/OLB Montgomery
DL Watt
DL Smith
DE/OLB Mercilus
LB Cushing
LB Reed

Not only is that a lot of pass rush ability on the field, but also a lot of versatility. I could see Wade moving Reed in particular around to create some real mismatches.

As soon as someone figures out what we got for giving up that pick please let us know.

We traded with the Rams...

Texans get the Rams two 6th round picks in the trade radio is reporting..... That means the Texans have four 6th round picks....

Just gonna have a single inside backer in the nickel.

NFL.com draft tracker is showing two 6ths, #184 and 198.

Texans trade No. 160 pick to the Rams for picks No. 184 and No. 198.

If Reed is one of those ILBs, though, do they take him off the field on passing downs?

So ticked Seattle took Luke Willson in front of us. That's 3 players so far (Brown, Lemoneire and Willson) that I wanted the Texans to get that we're snagged right before our pick.

Texans trade No. 160 pick to the Rams for picks No. 184 and No. 198.

Good problem to have, IMO.

Traditionally, yes. I think Warren's point is that Wade has the ability, the personnel, to get more speed on the field in passing situations. That's the whole point of the 3-4 to begin with. Do you think a QB looking at 3rd and 8 would be more troubled by Brooks Reed or Earl Mitchell?

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

It might just be a matter of necessity. Last year they had the luxury of spotting Mercilus behind Barwin and Reed, who were both coming off productive seasons.

Unless Mercilus missed a bunch of assignments in the running game that I'm unaware of for some reason I think it's plain that he outplayed either of them. Playing a rookie sparingly at the outset seems fine to me but when he demonstrates that he makes things happen on the field he should stay there.

Anyway, that's water under the bridge.

Round 5 complete:

1 Kansas City Sanders Commings (CB) Georgia
2 Jacksonville Denard Robinson (WR) Michigan
3 Philadelphia Earl Wolff (S) NC State
4 Seattle Jesse Williams (DT) Alabama
5 Seattle Tharold Simon (CB) LSU
6 Indianapolis Montori Hughes (DT) UT-Martin
7 Arizona Stepfan Taylor (RB) Stanford
8 NY Jets Oday Aboushi (OG) Virginia
9 Tennessee Lavar Edwards (DE) LSU
10 Buffalo Jonathan Meeks (S) Clemson
11 New Orleans Kenny Stills (WR) Oklahoma
12 San Diego Steve Williams (CB) California
13 Denver Quanterus Smith (DE) W Kentucky
14 Tampa Bay Steven Means (OLB) Buffalo
15 Carolina A.J. Klein (ILB) Iowa St
16 St. Louis Brandon McGee (CB) Miami
17 Pittsburgh Terry Hawthorne (CB) Illinois
18 Dallas Joseph Randle (RB) Oklahoma St
19 NY Giants Cooper Taylor (S) Richmond
20 Atlanta Stansly Maponga (DE) TCU
21 Washington Chris Thompson (RB) Florida St
22 Minnesota Jeff Locke (P) UCLA
23 Cincinnati Tanner Hawkinson (OT) Kansas
24 San Francisco Quinton Dial (DE) Alabama
25 Seattle Luke Willson (TE) Rice
26 Green Bay Micah Hyde (CB) Iowa
27 St. Louis Zachary Stacy (RB) Vanderbilt
28 Denver Tavarres King (WR) Georgia
29 Washington Brandon Jenkins (OLB) Florida St
30 Chicago Jordan Mills (OT) La Tech
31 Miami Mike Gillislee (RB) Florida
32 Detroit Sam Martin (K) App St
33 Miami Caleb Sturgis (K) Florida
34 Green Bay Josh Boyd (DT) Miss St
35 Baltimore Ricky Wagner (OT) Wisconsin