Trade for Haynesworth?
 

For those that don't know, Albert Hayenesworth is on the market? And after having been paid 32 of the 40 million dollar guaranteed money that he signed for, he's actually quite affordable (see below link.)

On top of that the current trade (as rumored) is either a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

I have to say, that while there is definitely risk in getting a guy with some major character issues, if we can get some Titans 2008 performance out of this guy for such a low cost, I'm hard pressed not to give it a shot. He's only 28, and should represent a huge upgrade over Sean Cody.

Kubiak has said he wants our D to be physical and nasty. Well...here's a shot to get one of the most physical and nastiest players in the game. The titans want him back, but don't have a second round pick to make that happen. I also think we can get a pretty good read on him, given our relationship with Shanahan. Assuming nothing crazy comes up, I'm all for sending #51 to the Redskins.

How about you?

Definitely. For a team looking to go to the playoffs with a void in the middle of the line. Second or thrid, I don't know... Possibly a second depending on how the first round shook out. You're just not going to get that type of immediate impact that this team needs in a second rounder... let alone a third.

Hail, no!

Costs too damn much and had his peak 2-3 years ago. He'll just get injured and spend half the year or the IR.

Hayull no.

For those of you that are saying no... I'd love to hear some explanations as to why you wouldn't give up an Antwan Molden or some other possible role player for the best defensive lineman in the NFL.

From the article the remaining salary would be "$16.2 million over the next three years, with only $9 million guaranteed." That's pretty darned reasonable for a guy that had 1 off year where he only got 4 sacks, and was asked to read-and-react in the Washington scheme. (I think we all know how that style of defense works out.)

The more I consider what the Texans' line could look like, the more I'm in support of the trade.

Rushing Downs:

Smith Haynesworth Okoye Williams
Smith Cody Haynesworth Williams (In case Okoye doesn't show up this year)

Passing Downs:
Barwin Smith Haynesworth Williams
Smith Haynesworth Okoye Williams (if Okoye does show up)

You can't tell me the other teams OC wouldn't be a bit nervous with a Healthy Haynesworth and Williams lining up right next to each other. Bring Cushing off the other side occasionally and that could bring a world of hurt, if our run D gets the other team into 2nd or 3rd and long.

To be fair... they went on to say that in actuality it is closer to 52 million with 20 guaranteed left on the deal. While the next three are reasonable it seems that there after that contract would be pretty awful. I'm not sure what kind of implecations that would have for the 2013 season and going forward, or if there could be anything done with that though.

Right, but those salaries are not guaranteed. So after 3 years, you can renegotiate or cut without being forced to pay the 20 million in option bonus that comes in the last part of the contract. Agents typically add that type of language to push up the perceived value of the contract, and set a new negotiating point down the road.

Hayyell no.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...hdebacle041610

Oh, come on. If you don't want the best DT in the NFL for a second or third pick you ain't thinking. Even at half speed he is better than anything we have and if we drafted Suh it would be 3 years before he approached Haynesworth, if he ever does. I know players don't put out sometimes after they get a payday but the Redskins had a crappy team and he probably didn't put out as much as he could have.

Human nature being what it is, if you have a person join the team that is much better than the person he replaces it makes the whole team play harder and better.

No way. I don't want that bitch on my team.

I agree with that part of your comment.

Look... That article makes sense, don't get me wrong... but that type of article made more sense last year. At that time I would have agreed that its probably too much money.. But the past is the past and truth now is the primary focus of that piece is guaranteed money and he is just not owed all that anymore. As mentioned earlier, he is quite reasonable over the next three years.

To me, I look at that and say... here we can add a guy in his prime 28-32 range at a reasonable price for a three year window, one that dominates at his position, in an attacking 43 scheme that fits his style, a position of need, paired next to what we already have on the line and second level talent wise.. If we are able to add a piece to the secondary in the first round... That could make for one potent defense...

So, you mean we can spend a ton of money on a selfish jerk that will upset the salary scale for our top defenders, take plays off and act as a clubhouse cancer to boot? Sign me up! :rolleyes:

I'd rather have Richard Seymour.

I don't want him either. But, I think the point is, he wouldn't hurt the cap because we wouldn't be responsible for any of his signing bonus money. That all is escalated to the Redskins 2010 cap (if there was one). We would only be responsible for the yearly base salaries. So, in theory, we could cut him at any point without there being a cap hit.

NOPE. Haynesworth only puts out when it is his contract year, otherwise he could care less.

Why do you say selfish? He isn't asking for a new deal, he just doesn't want to play in a 3-4 defense. As previously stated the ridiculous money has already been spent and the balance is pretty bearable. If he played on an already good defense where he was not the only horse pulling he might return to form. If he was obtainable it just wouldn't make sense not to jump at.

I have not heard of him being a clubhouse cancer? I Googled 'Haynesworth and cancer'. I found several references but they were all forum responses or blogs, no real incriminations except that he refuses to come to team workouts because he won't play NT and a 3-4. The team hired him to be in a 4-3 and then asked him to do something else and he refused. You might do the same at your job also. Well, you may not refuse but just look for a new job. Same-same.

If this is accurate, I'd have to give him a long hard look. Maybe a third rounder in 2011, which could be a compensatory pick and wouldn't cost us anything in essence. The real question is "do we want him in our locker room"?

If he checked out as a decent guy, I'd take him.

I found this after my post, but he sees it the same way:

Here's Paul Kuharsky's take from his AFC South Blog.

For a guy who only plays in his contract year, he got more sacks than every defensive tackle on the Texans (probably combined). At the very least, he would be a good third down DT. I would say give up a third...if he causes too many locker room issues, cut him. Outside the attitude, he is what the Texans want in a DT.

I would absolutely consider trading for him. I'm also curious about some of the concerns expressed about him as they just don't jive with my memory. First, he was most definitely not a one season wonder. He has been one of the best DTs in the league for several years. As for being a cancer, as I recall, Haynesworth was ticked when he was franchised by the Titans and wanted a new longterm deal instead. Hardly an unusual situation and one you see pretty regularly. I don't recall any locker room problems with him. If we're going to cross off every player who's pissed about being franchised, that is going to make for a pretty long list. Further, as the rumors go, Tennessee is one of the teams interested. No one knows him better than Fisher and if Fisher wants him back, that tells me everything I need to know. However, I will agree that he is somewhat injury prone and will likely miss 2-6 games a year. I would take that tradeoff though.

What about that supposed $100M contract Albert signed with the Redskins last year? We don't want nothing to do with that!

Have people forgotten the head-stomping incident that got Haynesworth suspended?

Haven't forgotten. But it has been several years. It was one incident in the heat of the moment. He appeared fairly contrite afterward, did not appeal his suspension and personnally apologized to Gurode. While I can certainly understand if people would write him off over this, I wouldn't.

The Redskins have already paid him about 1/3 of that: Signing bonus. If the Redskins trade him away, all of that salary cap money counts against their cap (though there isn't one this year- thus, the reason they would dump him now)... So, the Texans would be on the hook for each year's base salary and that's it... Also, it means the Texans could cut him at any time without suffering a cap hit from the prorated signing bonus. Very low risk move.

That being said, NO THANK YOU!

First, I doubt he goes anywhere without a new deal. Good NFL players simple do not play without gauranteed money on their deal. I am sure it won't be a request like the 100$ million from the skins, but I bet wherever he lands, it is with an extension.

Second, you ask whether he can still play, at what level, and you give him an extremely thorough physical. He appeared out of shape and disinterested last season.

Third, you consider whether he would be the biggest voice in the lockerroom. If he would be, it's a big problem. He has undeniably had attitude and work ethic issues. He has never been in great shape and he plays a low % of snaps for a starting DT. With all that said, he was the best interior lineman of the last 10 years his last two seasons in Tennessee.

If all these questions line up favorably then I would not hesitate for a moment in spending a 2nd round pick and then some on him.

He's expensive, but really not more so than Robinson and we wouldn't be paying him more annually than we did him in 2009 (or this year had we tagged him again), right ? If DM is right, just a year at a time.
And Fat Albert may be a horses-azz at times and lazy at times, but he's not a gangster, a guy who carriers a gun and hangs out with the wrong crowd. Fact is no off field problems as I recall ?
And what a talent ! Man he could "potentially" be so valuable to us. There's certainly a significant downside here, but there's a lot of potential here to.
But admittedly it would be a crap-shoot taking him on, and a 2nd-round pick is no small sum to get in the game.

It helps if you picture him in a Texans Jersey with Vince Young playing the part of Gurode.

Reminds me of an Archie Bunker line when he responds to his daughter about how many people die from being shot by guns:

"Would you feel better, little girl, if they were pushed out of windows?"

Wow! that does help..

Btw...that was just a joke to give a moment of enjoyment for the Vince Young haters if there are any on this board. I do not endorse the stomping that occured and I am actually a fan of Vince Young dispite his being on the <spit>Oilers</spit>.

He played 3 years in a row with a contract that was expiring or as a the franchise tag player, so all the years as a stud were in "contract years" so he was playing for a long term deal. He finally got it and did not play last year.

He does not go to the teams walk threw on Saturday's instead he goes to the Vols games.

Also this is directed to all the pro Albert guys, did you not read that he has a $20M bonus due in a couple years? If he is on the roster that is due. His salaries in 2011 is back in the high range.

The contract is still an issue, and if it's not I would have to think about him for a conditional pick, meaning a 2011 pick.

Saturday is between him and the coach, I care about Sunday.

The best DT43 in the NFL is not going to come cheap, but if you want to win it will cost you. Look at what the Titans did last year without him. They went from a contender to also ran.

I would like to get him period and, BTW it ain't my money. If it improves the teams I am all for it.

The guy was given over $30 million one year ago and he's already holding out! You want that guy on your team?!

According to this story, the Redskins are not just shopping Haynesworth but also Laron Landry and Andre Carter.

Landry I would scoop up if it didn't cost our first. He solves a major hole, is still young, would tandem well with Pollard because he covers well and frees us up to fill other needs in the first round.

Haynesworth is obviously not a team first guy. nuff said. leave him alone. If he shows he can be a team player, quit holding out, gets over his injuries and into shape, consider him next year maybe.

why would Washington want to get rid of Landry?

He is no choir boy but, the Redskins changed schemes on him, he is NOT holding out for money or playing time. He just doesn't want to play NT in a 34 defense. Jeez, give him a break. He would immediately make our defense better and that is what football is all about.

I guess I just don't see life the way some of you guys do.

You are right about his contract issue, but no matter how you slice it, he has been one of the best DTs in the league for most of his career. Do you disagree with this? Last year, he did have a somewhat down year, but it wasn't a horrible year and he was on a terribly disfunctional team. Lots of guys have off years, particularly when their team is going nowhere. Now, if I had my way, I would want a guy with Haynesworth ability who gives 110% all the time and feeds the homeless on his days off. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find anyone trying to trade that guy and our attempts to draft that guy hasn't gone so well either. So, warts and all, I'll take Haynesworth.

As for the contract, according to the posts upthread, it is very reasonable for the next 3 years. Getting one of the best DTs in the league, even if only for 3 years, is worth it. At some point, the future has to become the present. Do you think this team is built to compete for a Super Bowl for the next 3 years? If not, let me know now so I can finally get off this ride. If so, would Haynesworth dramatically improve that possibility? I don't see how anyone could conclude otherwise. I'm sick of "our time" always being just over the horizon. For once, try and get over the hump.

I may wind up with egg on my face, but I'm going to predict we won't trade for Haynesworth, and especially not a second draft pick. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see what kind of year he has. Maybe next year somebody can pull this thread back up and say "I told you so".

I hate to say it, but I do not see the current team going to the super bowl in 2011 (the 2010 season). 2012 maybe. Our OL is not a super bowl level OL, IMO.

Every thing I am seeing has the Texans going past an lineman to draft a playmaker.

McClain just stated "No way the Texans draft an offensive lineman in the first round. I don't see them selecting one in the first four rounds. Maybe an OT or C/G." I get his text updates, sign up on the chron.com.

Would Haynesworth help this team yes, when he is in shape and playing. He is also a prima donna, and this team does not seem to be attracted to that type person.