All I can say is that for you to have a top ranked receiving offense one year, then develop a top ranked rushing offense the next year you should never have games like today.

All the peices are there he just needs to learn to put them in the right spots at the right time...

We have been outcoached again. That was the worse game plan I have seen since the Cowboys game.

Something to think about:


DE: J. Babin (remember him?)
DT: J. Jones
DT: T. Brown
DE: W. Hayes
OLB:Winborn
OLB:Tulloch
MLB:Witherspoon



DE:M.Williams (beast)
DE:A. Smith
DT:A. Okoye
DT:S. Cody
OLB:Z. Diles
OLB:Ryans (beast)
MLB:B. Cushing (enough said)


Which team front seven leads the league in sacks?
Which would you expect based on talent?

Odd. Not a month ago you were lecturing us rubes who know nothing about football who had the temerity to object to the end-around. You were sternly telling us that the Texans have a 'well designed offense.'

What do you say to that now?

I was right all along. This is a 6-10 team. They might as well lock out the players next year becaue we're not seeing any professional football anyway.

As much as I hate to admit to this, you could definitely be right. Unless Kubiak learns to adjust, teams will quickly catch on to our elementary offense...

Teams have already began to counter our short passing game. I hope they don't take today's tape as a lesson on how to stop Foster...

Chuck, I say 6-10 is a huge overreaction. It puzzles me how much you seem to revel in a Texans defeat. Since I didn't live in Houston during the oilers days (was reborn a Texans fan from the first day of the franchise here), I will assume it is a coping mechanism that only the luv' ya blue guys can understand.

But either way I reiterate what I said after last season. NFL football teams will take on the personality and tenacity of either the QB or the Head Coach and one of those guys better be a winner and a dominant personality. The head coach can be a brains guy with the Xs and Os if the QB is a follow me guy. Or vice versa. But how do you win big when there is no dominant personality. Football is the most emotional sport around and we have nobody that sets the pace. Either QB or Coach has to move on or we never win a superbowl.

Last week was the first time the teams been 3-1 and people wanted Kubiak to run for Prez, this week they want to fire him. Lets see what happens next week before the bye: we can end up .500 or be 4-2 for the first time with people wanting Kubiak to be Prez again.
But here's what really puzzles me ? How come the Texans are at their worst when they come home to play after a big road win ? Seems all the momentum and psychology and confidance should be with them ?

Who has been praising Kubiak throughout our brief win streak?

Never me. If anything the buzz around the league has been the emergence of Arian Foster. I don't recall anyone, of importance, praising Houston's dynamic playcalling. Like I have been saying, I think we have the talent, it is just the fact that Kubiak gets outcoached pretty frequently...

Us beating Indy week 1 was not some miraculous chess match between coaches. It was Arian Foster running wild. Same for the Raider game. Talent has us in the position we are in now, not some elite coaching staff...

I am not of the belief that Kubiak cannot get it together. But he has not done it so far.

I dont like losing but at least they are not conference games or division games. We have a chance to go 4-2 next week against the Chiefs. Besides we havent even played the Jags or Titans so winning the division is not an impossible thing. Even if we split against the Jags and Titans we will still be in a position to win the division. We gotta take care of our non divisional AFC opponents and we will be alright. Also, the problem is not with the offensive scheme. Its execution. The Giants' Dline executed very well today and our Oline didnt. I dont even have to talk about or defense's execution.

It's an interesting point I haven't heard before. But is it true?

Is it true of Belichick/Brady?
Was it true of Manning/Dungy?

There are fiery dominant guys who have won big, no doubt. Just not sure I want to accept the premise.

If you go back and look at my preseason prediction I said 6-10 also. Having a well designed offense is useless with a bad game plan. The Texans have been flat for 3 weeks on offense, and they have had some really bad defensive game plans.

That has nothing to do with the design of the offense.

Excellent point. We technically still lead the division and are undefeated in the conference. If we can get AJ/JJ healthy again, I'm not worried about the offense.

The defense, however, has some major issues that need to be addressed. I love Pollard in the secondary but he's the only guy who carries his weight. Right now, Kareem Jackson might as well wear a flashing neon hot pink jersey because the opponents are finding him on every pass play. Kubiak has to decide whether it is better to preserve the season or preserve their top rookie's confidence.

Some think it is scheme, others think it is execution. Truth is we will never know. However, look at it this way...If you were the coordinator and your team was just sucking or missing wide open possibilities, wouldn't you be kind of upset? Wouldn't it show?

It is very clear when someone misses an assignment or blows a major opportunity. Kubiak will get in their face. However,Kubiak showed little to no emotion. IMO because there was nothing there. How can you get mad at the Oline when the Dline is jumping to the zone before they can even get outta their stance. Teams are over anticipating our play calling...

Kubiak needs to be creative when teams have figured him out...

I just don't understand KJ. He gets to practice against AJohnson, the best WR in the league...How can the likes of Kenny Britt and Roy Williams make you look like Petey Faggins?

Yeah, I got 'em going 10-6. That means that at least 4 more times this year the Texans will get "outcoached". 4 more times this year Kubiak should be fired. 4 more times this year fans will be wailing, pointing fingers, jumping from the ledge, whining like babies.... I can't wait....:rolleyes:

Fact is, Kubiak will probably make it through the year before any action is taken. By then, whether he should stay or go should be obvious to all.

KJ has played 5 NFL games. He's probably going to suck all year. What you look for is improvement. He had his 1st INT today. That's a start.

I think I misled you. I am not saying you need a yeller or a fiery guy. You need a natural leader that commands a room. A presence that guys follow regardless of the circumstances. Most superbowl teams have that guy at both QB and Head Coach. All 4 of the guys you mentioned are unquestioned leaders of men. Sean Payton and Drew Brees were those guys last year. Brees was such a leader that even when he did the retarded pregame ritual, he was actually taken serious by grown men. Players don't want to disappoint those guys as teammates and coaches. They respect/fear/admire them too much.

I don't get the feeling that guys would run through walls for Kubiak. He is likable, smart, and hard-working. A solid coach. But he doesn't seem to have the untouchable self confidence or borderline ego that great head coaches have.

And Schaub is like the player version of Kubiak. Smart, hard working, talented enough, well prepared. But again, he gets rattled. Not many QBs who can be rattled win superbowls (Eli Manning is the only one I can think of and that was more of a "screw Tiki Barber" thing).

I just think we have some good, professional guys. And we need somebody who guys will follow. (This is also why the most talented team in football fails to get in done every year up in Dallas).

I am beyond the whole "let's fire Kubiak" thing. I want to win. I understand that teams do lose sometimes. This is understandable. But how many great teams get blown out twice in three weeks?

You guys are talking about these lofty predictions. What about this team so far has you so confident?

A great running attack?

Of all the teams in the playoffs last year there was only one team that had a suspect defense. Indy...And they have an excellent pass rush...Something we don't have...

What makes you think we can compete defensively?

Oh yeah, this was KJ's 9th NFL game. Allegedly the reason we drafted him was the fact that he was pro-ready coming out of college.

So I understand development, but 4-5 TDs given up and 1 INT that was largely due in part to the pressure in Manning's face is not what I would call acceptable...

I am not saying that he will never get better, I am only suggesting that he has not lived up to the hype thus far...

The funny thing is that KJ hasn't looked as bad as Jacques Reeves but he loses a lot of matchups and the other team is taking their best WR and lining up against him. KJ has had to face two Mannings, McNabb and Romo so it isn't like he has been picked apart by QBs who don't know what they are doing but I think the Texans need to do something to stop the gameplanning, even if it is to bench him for a week just to throw off the other side.

It's like the Astros with Brett Wallace. Opponents figured out they could bust him in on the hands and he wouldn't adjust so soon everyone in the league did the same thing. So he needs to do something different until the scouting report changes, even if that means standing further off the plate until they do something else.

The Texans have to do something else with KJ for awhile so other teams stop making him the focus of their game plans.

KJ has played in 5 regular season games, 4 practice games. On the INT, KJ was in the right spot at the right time - that counts for something. I'd love to pick nits with you over the next couple of hours but I've got better things to do.

I watched Cris Dishman suck for a couple of years before he developed into one of the toughest corners in the league. That's the trouble with the fanbase today - no patience. "We want it now, dammit". You may not like the results but you won't be able to hurry things along. It's like yellin' at the screen in the movie theater - no effect.

Titans just beat Dallas so the whole division is now tied at 3-2 but we have had the toughest schedule of any of them through five weeks. Houston and Jacksonville also have negative point differentials, for what its worth.

I don't whats wrong with Texans fans. Will say anything to prove their point. Chris Dishman? Really?

In my post I complimented KJ for being in the right position. Being in the right position has not been his problem. It has been making a positive play on the ball while he's there that has been the problem. Case in point the goal line TD pass to Nicks and countless others. And no I am not calling him a bust. I am only suggesting that his play has been less than stellar and has been a big reason why our secondary sucks so bad. He needs to get better fast or maybe he should be benched for a game or two. Or maybe playing those soft zone coverages don't suit him very well. Maybe he needs to be in the face of the WR. Whatever the case he needs to get better fast.

And in reference to your Chris Dishman analogy, do you suggest that we we continue to let him be the achilles heel of our defense for 3 or 4 more years then assess him again?

Its OK to think a player could do better. Its apart of being a fan...:D

Disprove that theory...

I think some of the criticism of KJ is on point. He doesn't get enough(if any) jam on his receivers at the line, his hips aren't the most fluid, and most of all, his recovery speed leaves something to be desired. That said, he's far from our only problem on defense. McCain is getting burned, IMO, just as much as KJ, maybe more. Eugene Wilson was back out there after the second quater, and I thought after S. McMannis got that int, he'd get more PT. He didn't.:mad:

Also, our def line is HORRIBLE with the exception of Mario. Our DT's have been underachieving all season, no pressure up through the middle and little success stopping the run. If it wasn't for D.Ryan and Cush now, we'd be gutted on every play. When D.Ryan was hoping we'd draft a DT, I don't think Earl Mitchell was what he had in mind.

On the subject of Earl Mitchell, I really like this kid, but think Kube's could be using him in a much more effective role. He's got great strength and launches off the line every snap. That paired with his high motor has me thinking he might be better suited as our replacement for Connor Barwin THIS season. I think Antonio actually plays better inside at this point of his career, and since he and Earl are basically the same size, I like Earl's youth and hustle on the outside more. I just can't help thinking if Earl get's such good penetration on the inside, imagine him lined up on the outside, one on one. I think Kube's should split their PT at both positions.

The more pressure we can put on QB's up front, the better our secondary is gonna look. I liked the blitzes Bush ran in the second half, but by the time he started blitzing, the game was almost out of reach.

Sure it is. And so is venting. And I think you've got that venting part down just fine - In fact, you take it to the next level... :D

We're also the softest (some would call it the pu$$y's) of the bunch. A splitting image of the coach, who just CAN'T look when we have to kick an important FG. Get physical and hit this team in the mouth and they rarely respond. Note I said rarely, not never.

So what if McCain is getting beat, he's a what, 5th or 6th round pick ? On the other hand KJ is a first-rounder, the 20th overall in the 2010 Draft.

The 'so what' is this coaching staff and GM decided to go into this 'playoff bound' season with a bunch young, inexperienced players and/or low draft picks at probably the most critical positions on D' and it's backfiring horribly. I don't know what options they had, but they should have known better and perhaps kept or signed players who may have helped in case this did happen. I mean the Jets went out and got Cromartie so it is possible to take a chance and get a decent player that can help. WTF...they kept Molden?!? What has he ever done except spend time on IR? Not saying it can't change for the better, but nothing gives me the impression it will get better any time soon. At least not against playoff caliber QBs.

What else amazes me is we can't get a decent pass rush despite all the picks and money we've invested up there. I see teams with half the (supposed) talent we have get better, more consistent, push than we do. It's not all about sacks, it's about disruption. We can't even get that. Manning rarely had anyone even remotely close to him. Unbelievable.

Yeah, we're 3-2 and that's great. But if this team isn't careful, the Chiefs, with a very good physical D, will come in here next Sunday and give them a beat down and it won't look so rosy then. Confidence will go down the crapper. As it is, this team is going no where with this defense and it's penchant for getting bitch-slapped by physical teams.

Sure, it's an overreaction in a way but 6-10 is also a real possibility. My schizophrenia surely does have its roots in the Oilers. I pained through every Pittsburgh loss in the Bum days but it's impossible to explain what a Buffalo game or especially the KC game the next year will do to an unstable fan's already fragile psyche.

But I'm also reacting to what I see on the field. I have no faith at all in this organization. I have no faith in the staff's ability to work around the team's shortcomings and to solve other teams' attempts to exploit them. And the shortcomings, especially on defense, are horrifying. This is the worst secondary the Texans have ever fielded in the history of the franchise, both in terms of personnel and in terms of performance. And that would be less of a problem if the defensive line weren't so totally useless at pressuring the quarterback.

And the schedule - unless the team starts playing a lot better somehow I just don't see many wins on that schedule.

Bad as I hate to agree with Chuck on anything, he certainly has it right about the Oiler years. I lived through those up and down years just like Chuck did. So to see this up one day and down the next team, is just too much to take. What really hurts is the Titans won their games with the Giants and Dallas, while we looked like warmed over crap.

But then the Titans also lost two home games (Broncos and Steelers w/no Ben) so they are just as up and down as we are.

Oh, I don't know that we truly disagree all that terribly often, we just enjoy antagonizing each other. I thought that's what the internet was for.

Ye old parity again. Woe is me! Yes, of course you'er right Bob. I'm just in my cups today I guess. I'll be over it by Wednesday.

To top that off, the freaking Cardinals beat the Saints with an undrafted rookie QB.......Crazy week in the NFL this past weekend, odd things happened.

I am hoping this was another, "just one of those games". I didn't really think it would be a blow out, on either side, but can't really say I thought we would dominate. There is NO dominant forces in the NFL this year. 10 wins could be a conference champ in the South. It is going to be a wild ride, and I am ready.

Of course, we can't have too many more "just one of those games", and I can't really say that I am all that worried about it. We need to catch a hot streak, and the upcoming bye week couldn't have come at a better time. Hopefully, we can skate thru the Chiefs games with minimal bumps and bruises and come back primed and ready to make a post break run.

Remember last year when we were getting the ball ran up our throats for like half a season? That got fixed. Im just hopeful that this is just a young secondary that is learning as they go. 5-3 thru 8 games is still within reach. I would gladly take a 5-3 record after 8 games because we have a tendency to finish seasons really strong.