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barrett 10-09-2011 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 26974)
Games like these are the reason the Texans offense cannot be considered elite...

When faced with adversity, majority of the time we cannot/will not overcome.

This game should have been a push over, yet here we are in the 4th qtr down by 5...

We have to learn how to step on the weak...

Wow, now a fake punt...clearly they want to put this game away...

Decent punt return and no sacks and we have a good chance.

Arky 10-09-2011 03:28 PM

JJ fields the punt and loses 2. Texans ball at their 37. 1:50 left in the game.

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Screen to Foster gets 11.

Schaub is sacked. Flag on the play. Facemask on Texans is declined. 2nd and 19 coming up. 1:22 left. Play is under review, cause whoa, Raiders had too many men on the field... Erases the sack but the facemask penalty is enforced. Long story short, it is 1st and 25 for the Texans at their 33.

Pass to KW gets 27 and a 1st down.

Pass to JJ comes up short but roughing the passer gives the Texans +15. Ball at the Raider 26 with 54 seconds left.

Bad snap loses 13.

Pass to Foster goes inc. 29 seconds left on 3rd and 23.

Arky 10-09-2011 03:35 PM

Ball is caught at the 5 by Dreessen!

Schaub spikes it with 7 seconds left!

OMG, Schaub throws the INT in the endzone. Game over. Damn.

Final score:

Raiders 25, Texans 20

barrett 10-09-2011 03:38 PM

Ugly, ugly loss. Didn't like the play call at the end at all. You can run a fade first and then the same play on second down.

sinnister 10-09-2011 03:42 PM

Terrible. Terrible play call and decision. This team really misses Dre

NBT 10-09-2011 03:49 PM

You were playing against a team whose dead owners words were "just win baby". It would have taken out best erffort to win today and obviously we didn't get it.:mad:

Fonz the Boss 10-09-2011 03:54 PM

The Raiders defensive line played outstanding. They were putting a mean rush on us all game long. Tipped passes and QB pressures had Matt Schaub really antsy all game long.... Congrats to the Raiders organization for a great victory in memory of Al Davis... Only reason I'm not raging is because all AFC South teams lost.

Big Texas 10-09-2011 03:54 PM

WOW.....

Am I wrong in assuming that he could've just ran that in...

Why not throw the ball out the back of the end-zone when he noticed Foster covered out the backfield...

Why was Shaub trying to make Jacoby the star of this game...

I can only assume that the offense loves this last minute crap...

nunusguy 10-09-2011 03:55 PM

We had it right there for the taking, and whiffed on the opportunity.
OK so we are basically sitting at 3-3 (unless you think we go into Baltimore next week and beat the Ravens), as we travel to Nashville 2 weeks from today to play the team that looks to be our principal competition for the AFC South this year. That will be our biggest game to that date.

TheMatrix31 10-09-2011 03:56 PM

It is unfathomable to me why Schaub didn't run it in.

It's also unfathomable to me how Schaub, the OL, and Jacoby Jones had SUCH AWFUL games.

It's also unfathomable to me how we keep getting injuries to critically important players.

Come back soon, Andre and Mario.

Big Texas 10-09-2011 04:04 PM

If there were any questions about where Shaub should be on the best QBs list, I hope today has answered them for you.

Shaub has all the tools to be considered a great QB, EXCEPT the mentality of a winner.

Name any other top 5 QB in the same situation who would not have won this game on that last play.

barrett 10-09-2011 04:07 PM

You are crazy if you think Schaub could have run that in. I don't think he would have crossed the 3. An incomplete pass there ends the game. So does getting tackled. So I am really not down on the INT. I do think it is a bad play call. Run a fade first to make sure you get 2 cracks, not a play that eats up all :07.

And this loss is squarely on the OL (with an assist from the play calling combo of Kubiak and Dennison). They got killed in the run game and in the pass game. The 51 called passes and ONE 4th quarter run did not help.

Schaub played ok considering the circumstances. No run game. No pass protection. No receiver who could get downfield and the Raiders squatting on short routes. And with all that he comes up with over 400 yards. His options were so limited he completed over 100 yards in passes to Dreesen. I definitely don't put it on him.

We are simply not built to play without AJ. He is irreplaceable. Nobody else stretches the defense and we become a horizontal passing game. Jacoby Jones runs terrible routes (watch how often he is coming out of a break and the ball is a good 5 yards away because he rounded out of the route instead of being sharp). He also has no ball skills (kind of a need for a big play guy).

barrett 10-09-2011 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 26998)
If there were any questions about where Shaub should be on the best QBs list, I hope today has answered them for you.

Shaub has all the tools to be considered a great QB, EXCEPT the mentality of a winner.

Name any other top 5 QB in the same situation who would not have won this game on that last play.

Did you watch the final play? Nobody comes close to being open. Mike Vick and Cam Newton run that in, but no QB completes a pass to anyone we had in that route.

TheMatrix31 10-09-2011 04:10 PM

If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.

barrett 10-09-2011 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 27001)
If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.

Do you plan on him running that guy over or out running him?

Big Texas 10-09-2011 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 26999)
You are crazy if you think Schaub could have run that in. I don't think he would have crossed the 3. An incomplete pass there ends the game. So does getting tackled. So I am really not down on the INT. I do think it is a bad play call. Run a fade first to make sure you get 2 cracks, not a play that eats up all :07.

And this loss is squarely on the OL (with an assist from the play calling combo of Kubiak and Dennison). They got killed in the run game and in the pass game. The 51 called passes and ONE 4th quarter run did not help.

Schaub played ok considering the circumstances. No run game. No pass protection. No receiver who could get downfield and the Raiders squatting on short routes. And with all that he comes up with over 400 yards. His options were so limited he completed over 100 yards in passes to Dreesen. I definitely don't put it on him.

We are simply not built to play without AJ. He is irreplaceable. Nobody else stretches the defense and we become a horizontal passing game. Jacoby Jones runs terrible routes (watch how often he is coming out of a break and the ball is a good 5 yards away because he rounded out of the route instead of being sharp). He also has no ball skills (kind of a need for a big play guy).

The game is not always about how many passing yards you can put up...its about how many points you can put on the board...

The ball was on the 5 yard line. There was only 1 player who could have even made the tackle and he was still in the endzone when Shaub rolled out. You are telling me that Shaub made the right decision by throwing to a completely covered receiver who had not made a single play (receiving or returning) all day, rather than taking the chance at running 5 yards with no one within 4 yards of him?

Yes you are right the OLine got destroyed today...BUT we still had a chance to win it; and the game was on Shaub's shoulders to do it. AND he didn't...like so many times before...

400 yards....SO WHAT...

He threw for 4,000 last year...

TheMatrix31 10-09-2011 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 27002)
Do you plan on him running that guy over or out running him?

I would actually figure he'd Schaubcopter.

But it's better than throwing a stupid pass and having it end up in a dumb ass pick.

Give yourself a chance to win. Run the damn ball in.

Big Texas 10-09-2011 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 27000)
Did you watch the final play? Nobody comes close to being open. Mike Vick and Cam Newton run that in, but no QB completes a pass to anyone we had in that route.

I respect you and your opinion...

But are you on the Matt Shaub for president campaign...

Believe me I like the guy and his skill set...However,

This game was clearly on his shoulders to win...maybe a pump fake to freeze the defender...maybe he continues towards the sideline to give the receiver more time to get open...maybe he changes the play call...I DON'T KNOW...but what I do know is that this loss was on him in the last seconds...and he would probably be the first to admit that.

barrett 10-09-2011 04:28 PM

Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.

TheMatrix31 10-09-2011 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 27006)
Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.


Good to know you have a crystal ball there. Mind telling me the lotto numbers for Tuesday night?


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