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Big Texas 10-09-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 27006)
Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.

The argument is not in the interest of getting a new QB, its just releasing frustration about a last second play (and call) that looked, for lack of a better word, unrehearsed.

barrett 10-09-2011 04:36 PM

And I don't bring up the passing yards to prove he had a good game. He didn't have a good game. But he is not even near the front of the line when I am assessing blame to our offense. He played under pressure all game and had no protection. Sacked repeatedly, 6 balls batted down, no WRs getting open downfield. No running game to help him out. No running plays called (or screens) to slow down the pass rush. And he still moved the ball all day by throwing to guys like Joel Dreesen.

As for the final drive, it is a miracle we get down there with a bad punt return, a facemask on our gimply RG who should not have been on the field, no pass protection, and a bad snap. We managed to convert two 20+ yard conversions just on that drive (1st and 25 and 3rd and 23).

Not to mention he already threw what should have been the game tying TD to Vickers on the previous drive (the very fact that we are throwing to Vickers shows either a coaching/substitution screw up or a personell issue).

OL, play-calling, Jacoby Jones, and bad special teams play screwed us in this game, and the AJless offense could not overcome that.

barrett 10-09-2011 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 27008)
The argument is not in the interest of getting a new QB, its just releasing frustration about a last second play (and call) that looked, for lack of a better word, unrehearsed.

No argument here. It was a screwup. Schaub is not a good off schedule QB and we won't win many games waiting for him to scramble for TDs on broken plays.

Big Texas 10-09-2011 04:40 PM

I agree 100%...

BUT

Shaub still had a chance to overcome all those negatives and win the game (which is what winners do)...LOL

nunusguy 10-09-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 27001)
If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.

Barretts right, I just saw the replay and he gets maybe to the 4 yard line before he's tackled if he trys to run it into the EZ.

chuck 10-09-2011 04:52 PM

I'm still trying to understand why that call was to Vickers rather than Casey. Casey might have been hurt.

I don't know why Kubiak wasted a valuable timeout challenging a call that he clearly had no chance of overturning. It is absolutely inexcusable for Kubiak to continue to make these kinds of mistakes.

Why didn't have a quick-hit play called at the end to allow them another chance if the first call didn't work?

The Texans managed to look as bad as the stupidest, most undisciplined team in the history of football. Worse, actually.

Nconroe 10-09-2011 04:55 PM

Lot nf bad play, back to not over the hump yet.

TheMatrix31 10-09-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 27012)
Barretts right, I just saw the replay and he gets maybe to the 4 yard line before he's tackled if he trys to run it into the EZ.

If he ran to the pylon, he would have been able to dive and hit it.

TheMatrix31 10-09-2011 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck (Post 27013)
I'm still trying to understand why that call was to Vickers rather than Casey. Casey might have been hurt.

I don't know why Kubiak wasted a valuable timeout challenging a call that he clearly had no chance of overturning. It is absolutely inexcusable for Kubiak to continue to make these kinds of mistakes.

Why didn't have a quick-hit play called at the end to allow them another chance if the first call didn't work?

The Texans managed to look as bad as the stupidest, most undisciplined team in the history of football. Worse, actually.

Casey was hurt. Him and Mario are expected to be evaluated again tonight.

That play that was challenged was a potential first down play. If not, we punt. The challenge HAD to be made. And it was a catch. You know it and I know it. Just inconclusive.

Kubiak had a lot of problems today, and the playcalling was pretty weak. Tough to have a good playbook without the best wide receiver in football and your two backup RBs out, but still.

This loss falls on Schaub, offensive line, and Jacoby Jones. Plain and simple.

barrett 10-09-2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 27015)
If he ran to the pylon, he would have been able to dive and hit it.

I guess you didn't see him get run down by 320 lb DT Tommy Kelly. But somehow you think he is beating the safety to the Pylon?

barrett 10-09-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 27016)
Casey was hurt. Him and Mario are expected to be evaluated again tonight.

That play that was challenged was a potential first down play. If not, we punt. The challenge HAD to be made. And it was a catch. You know it and I know it. Just inconclusive.

Kubiak had a lot of problems today, and the playcalling was pretty weak. Tough to have a good playbook without the best wide receiver in football and your two backup RBs out, but still.

This loss falls on Schaub, offensive line, and Jacoby Jones. Plain and simple.

So with Casey hurt that means schaub played the last two drives with no running plays and Walter, jones, dreesen, Daniels and foster. Street FAs at 3 and 4 WR. Practice squad backup rb. Backup fb. And an OL getting owned.

barrett 10-09-2011 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck (Post 27018)
I would like to congratulate you for submitting what is likely the most idiotic thing I have ever read regarding the Texans. Please consider that I do not visit the official team site so I am not suggesting that this is the most idiotic thing ever said about the Texans; it is simply the most idiotic thing I personally have ever read.

It was clearly not a catch, and it was even clearer that there was not nearly enough to overturn it.

Kubiak has time and time again proven that he has no idea when and how to use the challenge. Neither do you. And once again, I don't care that you are clueless but I do care quite a bit that the head coach is clueless.

Well said. Not sure if it was a catch, but a stupid challenge.

Fonz the Boss 10-09-2011 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 27004)
I would actually figure he'd Schaubcopter.

But it's better than throwing a stupid pass and having it end up in a dumb ass pick.

Give yourself a chance to win. Run the damn ball in.

Id rather have Schaub try to make a play throwing the ball rather then try to bull rush it in and having to start Matt Leinart next week.

chuck 10-09-2011 05:19 PM

What the hell is the deal with Bryant Johnson? Is he hurt? Inactive?

barrett 10-09-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck (Post 27022)
What the hell is the deal with Bryant Johnson? Is he hurt? Inactive?

Heard he was hurt but active and available in an emergency.

chuck 10-09-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 27023)
Heard he was hurt but active and available in an emergency.

Do you remember what sort of injury it is? I did a quick search and couldn't find anything.

barrett 10-09-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck (Post 27025)
Do you remember what sort of injury it is? I did a quick search and couldn't find anything.

Not sure. Just heard it from McClain on the 610 postgame.

barrett 10-09-2011 05:32 PM

Also heard they suspect a torn pec for Mario which would mean ir. Casey may be the same injury.

chuck 10-09-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 27026)
Not sure. Just heard it from McClain on the 610 postgame.

I heard that too but whenever I hear that guy speaking I quit paying close attention and wasn't sure whether he was talking about Johnson or Kareem Jackson.

chuck 10-09-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 27027)
Also heard they suspect a torn pec for Mario which would mean ir. Casey may be the same injury.

I heard that, too. This season is teetering on the edge of disaster. Andy Reid is currently in the lead in good old chuck's 2012 straw poll.

barrett 10-09-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck (Post 27030)
I heard that, too. This season is teetering on the edge of disaster. Andy Reid is currently in the lead in good old chuck's 2012 straw poll.

Are you saying you want Andy Reid as our coach?

WMH 10-09-2011 08:07 PM

Just fast forwarded to that last play on the DVR, no way in hell Schaub gets into the end zone. He was @ the 5, a DB was closing in @ the 3. Looks like he tried to put it into a tight window for JJ, but obviously that didn't work.....

Also looked like they flushed him left on a play that most of his options were right.

Sucks.

chuck 10-09-2011 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 27033)
Are you saying you want Andy Reid as our coach?

I might be alone in this but I like Andy Reid a lot.

barrett 10-09-2011 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck (Post 27041)
I might be alone in this but I like Andy Reid a lot.

I don't think he's a bad coach but he's kind of a rich man's kubiak. Good team builder. Good Monday through Saturday guy. Terrible gameday coach. Probably the worst clock management around. Lots of the same things that frustrate you about kubs.

chuck 10-09-2011 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 27043)
I don't think he's a bad coach but he's kind of a rich man's kubiak. Good team builder. Good Monday through Saturday guy. Terrible gameday coach. Probably the worst clock management around. Lots of the same things that frustrate you about kubs.

So you're saying it would be a comfortable transition.

Nconroe 10-09-2011 11:09 PM

If you like Andy Reid you ought to like Kubiak.

NBT 10-10-2011 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss (Post 26994)
The Raiders defensive line played outstanding. They were putting a mean rush on us all game long. Tipped passes and QB pressures had Matt Schaub really antsy all game long.... Congrats to the Raiders organization for a great victory in memory of Al Davis... Only reason I'm not raging is because all AFC South teams lost.

Prior to this game the Raiders DL had been last in defense against the run.

I don't care if they were playing for their momma. We lost one we shoulda won! Schaub proved that you give him a little rush and he will give the ball up. JJ played the worst game of his career. I know he blows hot and cold sometimes, but he was iced today. Not worthy of being the #1 option while AJ is out. The TEs tried to carry the load, but only proved it takes a proven pro WR like AJ to get the defense out of their gameplan.

At the end with a chance to salt this one away, Schaub proved he gets rattled under pressure, and JJ on that last play was fronting the defender Michael Huff, but inexplicably at the last second chose to go behind the defender making it impossible for Schub to get it to him, making it easy for Huff to make the int and salt the win for 'ol "just win baby" Davis.

Both Kubiak and Wade Phillips were unable to adjust yet again to what the other team was doing all game long on defense. They also made journeyman QB Jason Camkpbell look like an all-pro.

Altogether a sucky effort by the Texans in their own playpen. Inexcusable!

popanot 10-10-2011 07:16 AM

Maybe with the owners meeting here in Houston this week, McNair will get some more compliments on how good his team looks when losing. That should fill him with enough confidence to think he has a top echelon team and coaching staff.

barrett 10-10-2011 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NBT (Post 27046)
Prior to this game the Raiders DL had been last in defense against the run.

I don't care if they were playing for their momma. We lost one we shoulda won! Schaub proved that you give him a little rush and he will give the ball up. JJ played the worst game of his career. I know he blows hot and cold sometimes, but he was iced today. Not worthy of being the #1 option while AJ is out. The TEs tried to carry the load, but only proved it takes a proven pro WR like AJ to get the defense out of their gameplan.

At the end with a chance to salt this one away, Schaub proved he gets rattled under pressure, and JJ on that last play was fronting the defender Michael Huff, but inexplicably at the last second chose to go behind the defender making it impossible for Schub to get it to him, making it easy for Huff to make the int and salt the win for 'ol "just win baby" Davis.

Both Kubiak and Wade Phillips were unable to adjust yet again to what the other team was doing all game long on defense. They also made journeyman QB Jason Camkpbell look like an all-pro.

Altogether a sucky effort by the Texans in their own playpen. Inexcusable!

Sometimes I really wonder what game you are watching. There is plenty of blame to go around for our special teams and offense, but our defense played great yesterday. They gave up under 250 yards if you don't count the special teams fake punt. They bailed us out on both first half turnovers.

Campbell hardly looked like an all-pro. He didn't get his offense a first down until just before half time. He completed 15/35 passes. He had under 200 yards passing. And they shut down McFadden at the same time, holding the NFL's leading rusher to 51 yards.

And about not making adjustments, if you take out the fake punt, they allowed THREE YARDS on four 4th quarter Raiders possessions. How else do you think our sputtering offense and inept special teams had a chance to win in the end. the Raiders went backwards on their last two possessions, and the defense even saved us some time when the Raiders threw the ball deep for some reason on 2nd down. And the safety and CB blitzes were a great adjustment and helped get a 3rd down stop in the 4th quarter (the raiders were 3/15 on 3rd down for the day).

Great game defense, and sorry we wasted it.

barrett 10-10-2011 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chuck (Post 27044)
So you're saying it would be a comfortable transition.

After watching yesterday's game in which Kubisen called 51 passes in a game with no Andre Johnson, I would say it would be a seamless transition.

nunusguy 10-10-2011 08:49 AM

If we would end up with Andy Reid next year, I don't see how Texans' fans couldn't be excited about that change in head coachs ? How many times has he taken Philly to the playoffs, even the NFC championship game ? Took them to the SB once. How is that not a significant step-up from Kubiaks performance here in Houston ?

barrett 10-10-2011 01:15 PM

He has struggled to win without a June Johnson defense. And to compound that he hired his long time OFFENSIVE line coach as defensive coordinator this year. Juan castillo's DC credentials make frank bush look like Monte kiffin.


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