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TheMatrix31 12-13-2010 10:14 PM

I just wonder why it takes so long for the team to wake up.

chuck 12-13-2010 10:17 PM

I just wonder why it takes so long to get a freaking play in.

Arky 12-13-2010 10:19 PM

Slant to AJ gets the 1st down! Drive still alive....

Pass to DA is caught but out of bounds. DA shaken up. Timeout Texans. Makes it 2nd and 10 at the Ravens 22.

Arky 12-13-2010 10:20 PM

On 2nd and 10, draw to Foster gets 10. 1st down at the Ravens 12.

Schaub hit as he throws, pass goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Pass to KW goes for 5. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Pass to AJ in the endzone goes inc. Makes it 4th and 5. Texans to go for it.

Pass to JJ good for the TD.

Ravens 28, Texans 20

6 minutes left in the game.

Schaub has thrown 49 passes. 22 for 49.

chuck 12-13-2010 10:25 PM

Very, very pretty throw. The D needs to stop the Ravens right away since we have, what, one TO?

chuck 12-13-2010 10:27 PM

Don't look now but the D has shut the Ravens out in the second half.

Arky 12-13-2010 10:28 PM

Ravens bring the kickoff back to their 25 or so.

Pass to Mason good for 13. 1st down.

Rice for -1. Makes it 2nd and 11.

Pass to Bolden gets 12 and a 1st down.

Rice gets about 4. Under 3 1/2 minutes left.

Rice gets about 4. Makes it 3rd and 2. Timeout.

Big Texas 12-13-2010 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 23675)
I just wonder why it takes so long for the team to wake up.

It takes Kubiak forever to realize that his gameplan was utterly useless and now he needs to make an adjustment.

He strikes me as a person who is horrible at gameplanning for the opponent. His team is ALWAYS unprepared and outcoached. It is until the second half of games that he has figured them out.

Most of the time, by then it is too late...

Arky 12-13-2010 10:33 PM

On 3rd and 2 at the Texan 44, pass is broken up by GQ! Ravens have to punt.

JJ brings the punt back to the 15 but flags are down. Illegal block in the back on KJ. 1/2 the distance to the goal. Texans ball at their 4.

Dump to KW goes to the 21.

Schaub throws it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up. 2:11 left in the game.

Dump to Foster gets about 4. 3rd and 6 coming up.

2 minute warning.

Kind of exciting, no? :p

TheMatrix31 12-13-2010 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 23682)
It takes Kubiak forever to realize that his gameplan was utterly useless and now he needs to make an adjustment.

He strikes me as a person who is horrible at gameplanning for the opponent. His team is ALWAYS unprepared and outcoached. It is until the second half of games that he has figured them out.

Most of the time, by then it is too late...

And a lot of times the players are poor at execution. Today its a half and half type game. Sometimes its mostly on coaching. Other times its mostly on the players.

Arky 12-13-2010 10:37 PM

That Ravens D is tired and sucking wind. They should keep 'em runnin'.....

On 3rd and 6, pass to JJ comes up about 1 yard short. Brings up 4th and 1. 1:38 left in the game. Timout Ravens. Texans with no timeouts.

Dump to JJ good for the 1st down. JJ runs out of bounds to save the clock.

Pass to AJ complete, out of bounds at the Raven 43.

Pass to AJ gets 8.

Schaub scrambles for the 1st down at the Ravens 27. 1 minute left.

Dump to Foster gets 10 at the Ravens 17.

Arky 12-13-2010 10:43 PM

Dump to AJ goes to the 5.

Spike. 29 seconds left.

TD to AJ in the back of the endzone! Texans to go for 2.

2 pointer good to JJ!

Texans 28, Ravens 28

21 seconds left.

Well, they made it really interesting..... :p

Arky 12-13-2010 10:47 PM

Ravens bring the kickoff back to their 28. 13 seconds left.

Rice for 3. We're going to OT....

Arky 12-13-2010 10:49 PM

Ravens win the flip and will receive the kickoff in OT.

TheMatrix31 12-13-2010 10:50 PM

Please let us have the luck this time. Let us win. Please. On my birthday weekend. Please.

Arky 12-13-2010 10:52 PM

Ravens down the kickoff in their endzone. Ravens ball at their 20.

Flacco nearly sacked but completes it to Mason for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Pollard TFL -1 on McGahee. 3rd and 6 coming up.

Pass to Bolden gets the 1st down at the Texan 41.

Pollard deflects the pass, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Flacco's pass sails inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.

Flacco is sacked back at the Raven 30! Ravens to punt!

Damn, JJ. Fields the ball and runs backwards. Texans ball at their 8.

Arky 12-13-2010 10:58 PM

Schaub can't find anyone open and chunks it away. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Oh jeminy..... Schaub throws an INT - pick 6 by Wilson. Ravens win.

Final score:

Ravens 34, Texans 28

Nconroe 12-13-2010 10:59 PM

darn - it, cudda been

chuck 12-13-2010 11:01 PM

This franchise is a barrel of vomit.

Arky 12-13-2010 11:06 PM

Just when ya start to feel good about things, they crush ya like a bug....

I think Matt's arm was about to fall off.... no mustard on that toss....

'nother tough loss.... Have to take it out on the Titans next week...

Keith 12-13-2010 11:08 PM

goodnight, irene

chuck 12-13-2010 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 23695)
goodnight, irene

Sadly, you're singing to Irene and not Gary. Nine years of futility. The Texans are a franchise comparable in the NFL only to the Bills and the Lions.

Big Texas 12-13-2010 11:20 PM

This game represents Kubiak's legacy here in Houston.

So much talent WASTED...

Kubiak's legacy...

1. Every game was an almost game
2. Underprepared
3. Last minute mistakes
4. Never living up to expectation
5. Stubborn
6. Hires staff based on relationship, not experience or proven credentials
7. Accountability seems non-existent for anyone on the staff
8. Overall: the biggest WASTE of talent

With Kubiak at the helm, Detroit and Cleveland will reach the playoffs before us. So far Oakland, KC, Tampa, and (seemingly St. Louis) are on track to surpass us.

chuck 12-13-2010 11:25 PM

Goddam, I'm tired of this team.

Good night, all.

Fonz the Boss 12-14-2010 12:01 AM

What a great game!!! Just wish we could have been on the winning end of it. I feel for Schaub because we wouldnt have been in it if it wasn't for his gutsy performance. It was a gut check for him in the 4th quarter and he responded with some great throws and amazing 4th down conversions. I know he wants to have that pick 6 back and I guarantee you that nobody feels worse about that loss than him. I'll say this for the millionth time. This team does not need a complete overhaul. It only needs a new DC and veterans in the back end of the defense. The second half showed that if you are able to dial up blitzes and put pressure then your secondary has a better chance to make plays. There is no need for a new HC and a complete overhaul on our offensive scheme. Learning a new playbook will set the offense back at least one more year. If our defense was at least a middle of the pack D then we would no bout be a playoff team this year. Im a believer in GQ and KJ. They cant possibly play any worse next year especially if we bring in a qualified DC.

Nconroe 12-14-2010 12:02 AM

Well, we apparently set an NFL record tonight, four times in one year to come back from two touchdowns or more down to tie or take the lead, and then loose.

They just can't finish, for a variety of reasons this year.

And it was an entertaining, exciting game, with a lousy end for our side.

coloradodude 12-14-2010 12:44 AM

Wow, I was so certain we were gonna get manhandled I didn't even bother posting that. At half time I knew I was right. At the kickoff of the second half I was gonna turn the TV off.

But then I wanted the Texans to really get pounded only to my disappointment. AJ made that incredible one hand snatch and then the TD.

What did I learn? I hope Schaub bounces back because he is amazing. Talk about Mr Cool.

The ending sucked but what a fantastic second half. We need to do something with that defense though.

nunusguy 12-14-2010 06:16 AM

Schaub did play a great game, but ended up feeling like a fast-baller who started, went all the way, and then had to go into extra innings with over way over 100 pitchs on that arm, and in the end had no zip on the ball. What did he end up with, 60 some passes ?
In some ways a strong effort and the defense did hold up in the second half, but too many dropped balls by the receivers and too many missed tackles by the defenders. I guess that's an issue about focus or preparation ?
BTW, our little 4th round corner #29 (Quinn), came up strong I thought last night ?

HPF Bob 12-14-2010 10:41 AM

They are the Houston ****************-Ups. There's just no other way to say it. They can't put four good quarters together and find a way to lose practically every week.

cadams 12-14-2010 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss (Post 23699)
I'll say this for the millionth time. This team does not need a complete overhaul. It only needs a new DC and veterans in the back end of the defense ...Learning a new playbook will set the offense back at least one more year.

A year huh? tell that to the Jets, falcons, and the list of other teams taht have changed coaches and gone to the playoffs the following year who have gotten jobs since kubiak was hired.


this is not a shot at you in any way, but the argumetn that changing coaches will set them back is bunk. the only way is sets a team backis if they hire the wrong guy.

also, they always fight back because they don't score in the first half and then have to get themselves back into the game.

NBT 12-14-2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 23676)
I just wonder why it takes so long to get a freaking play in.

I think it is because the what-ever-his-name-is OC, is good at the run game as note Foster's runs, but when it comes to the passing game, Kubes has had to take over and call the routes and protection schemes, leaving precious little time to his job of running the overall team. JMHO

edo783 12-14-2010 09:48 PM

Last night the headsets weren't working most of the time for us. That slowed the plays getting in.

Nconroe 12-14-2010 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadams (Post 23710)
...the argumetn that changing coaches will set them back is bunk.

not debating change or don't change coaches, however, if this next year is a lockout of players, it will for sure be a problem to change coaches.

likely overall changing coaches in a normal year is also causing an upset, indendent of who he is, always exceptions as you mentioned to the majority of situations.

I guess team is too young overall, too many players not being consistent is problemo for this year, and playing some good teams, and injuries, and suspensions, all part of the losses. will another year help, I don't know.

In this games we outgained Ravens 489 yards to 253 yards, more first downs 28 to 19, barely led time of possession, so, in no way were Texans dominated. Defense did pretty good and got sacks as well. field position and penalties and turnovers is what led to Ravens points, mostly execution things.

Fonz the Boss 12-15-2010 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadams (Post 23710)
this is not a shot at you in any way, but the argumetn that changing coaches will set them back is bunk. the only way is sets a team backis if they hire the wrong guy.

I know there are instances in which teams make the playoffs with first year coaches but it does not happen often. The problem I have with a new HC is that it will shake things up entirely when clearly our problems are on the defensive side of the football. Our offense is still number 6 overall and has been a top 10 offense all year long. I don't believe we've ever had this type of balanced attack before. I don't mean to bash on Schaub because he is very qualified at what he does, but he is what he is because he knows the system like the back of his hand. Kubs has mentioned before that he is one of the few QBs in the league that can go without practice, be given the game plan, and not miss a beat on gameday with the playcalling. I believe a new system will set him back into mediocrity. However, with all the frustration of another losing season I can understand why alot of people want Kubiak out of here.

cadams 12-15-2010 12:03 PM

the offense has plenty of problems. sure they are high in a lot of categories,but when they go blank for the first half of every game that is an issue. i am not saying the offense isn't good, but defenses play different when they have double-digit leads.

barrett 12-15-2010 12:13 PM

I don't understand how people can think this will change without a change at Head Coach. I keep hearing explanations that the Offense is ok and the defense is the problem.

On every football team I've ever been a part of as a player or coach, the defensive performance is the responsibility of the head coach (along with offense and special teams and everything else).

If it is a coaching problem with the DC, then Kubiak has had 5 years and two coordinators to get it worked out, and things are worse than they have ever been. If he hired wrong, coached wrong, drafted wrong, supported wrong, and motivated wrong on defense for 5 years, how will he now all of a sudden get it right if given one more chance.

He should be fired. Anything else is accepting failure and mediocrity. Let a defensive coach come in and fix that side of the ball while leaving our offense in place with a Kubiak/Shanahan guy as OC. If Dungy can be talked out of the studio with enough zeroes he is the guy since he is a scheme guy who is used to covering up inadequate parts with system. If not go with Cowher and let him sign whoever he wants and draft whoever he wants to transition to a 3-4.

Either way we need a new Head coach who can improve the defensive side of the ball immediately before we entirely waste the core of offensive talent we have as well as Andre Johnson's entire prime. And we don't need to hope we are guessing right with a young guy. The window will close on our offensive talent if we don't act quickly. How many more years of prime AJ, healthy Schaub, and under contract Foster can we count on? Do we really want to spend those years hoping that Kubiak doing the same thing somehow magically results in different results?

Arky 12-15-2010 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 23725)
I don't understand how people can think this will change without a change at Head Coach. I keep hearing explanations that the Offense is ok and the defense is the problem.

On every football team I've ever been a part of as a player or coach, the defensive performance is the responsibility of the head coach (along with offense and special teams and everything else).

If it is a coaching problem with the DC, then Kubiak has had 5 years and two coordinators to get it worked out, and things are worse than they have ever been. If he hired wrong, coached wrong, drafted wrong, supported wrong, and motivated wrong on defense for 5 years, how will he now all of a sudden get it right if given one more chance.

He should be fired. Anything else is accepting failure and mediocrity. Let a defensive coach come in and fix that side of the ball while leaving our offense in place with a Kubiak/Shanahan guy as OC. If Dungy can be talked out of the studio with enough zeroes he is the guy since he is a scheme guy who is used to covering up inadequate parts with system. If not go with Cowher and let him sign whoever he wants and draft whoever he wants to transition to a 3-4.

Either way we need a new Head coach who can improve the defensive side of the ball immediately before we entirely waste the core of offensive talent we have as well as Andre Johnson's entire prime. And we don't need to hope we are guessing right with a young guy. The window will close on our offensive talent if we don't act quickly. How many more years of prime AJ, healthy Schaub, and under contract Foster can we count on? Do we really want to spend those years hoping that Kubiak doing the same thing somehow magically results in different results?

I think a shakeup is on the way - no doubt about that. Whether they totally clean house or whack a bunch of the defensive coaches I'm OK with it. I really don't strain my brain thinking about it because it is not my decision. If Kubes goes, fine. If he stays, fine. I'll still be rooting for the Texans next year.

As to the bolded, I think you are referring to management, correct? Because I've seen this logic flipped at *the fans* lately on other messageboards as though any fan that is not on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon, is automatically happy with failure and mediocrity. I don't think any fan is happy with 5-8. Hell, I want 'em to go to the SuperBowl every year....

There's not much to defend Kubes with these days. I've seen some very logical arguments about why he should go. About the only positive thing you can say, from what I hear and read, is that the players still believe in him and give 100% effort (even though they keep coming up short).....

chuck 12-15-2010 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 23725)
He should be fired. Anything else is accepting failure and mediocrity.

Preach it, brother.

coloradodude 12-15-2010 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 23725)

Let a defensive coach come in and fix that side of the ball while leaving our offense in place with a Kubiak/Shanahan guy as OC. If Dungy can be talked out of the studio with enough zeroes he is the guy since he is a scheme guy who is used to covering up inadequate parts with system. If not go with Cowher and let him sign whoever he wants and draft whoever he wants to transition to a 3-4.


I like your thinking here about Dungy. Dungy had a bad rap for a while that he couldn't take a team to the SB but once he had a competitive QB, he was fine...but he didn't go to the SB every year still. Take Peyton Manning out of the picture and Dungy may never have gone.

And that's my thoughts on a parallel situation in Schottenheimer.


Dungy or Schottenheimer assure the Texans of a very, very physical team that demands respect. At this point, that's all I want which means 11 wins in a season.

barrett 12-15-2010 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arky (Post 23734)
I think a shakeup is on the way - no doubt about that. Whether they totally clean house or whack a bunch of the defensive coaches I'm OK with it. I really don't strain my brain thinking about it because it is not my decision. If Kubes goes, fine. If he stays, fine. I'll still be rooting for the Texans next year.

As to the bolded, I think you are referring to management, correct? Because I've seen this logic flipped at *the fans* lately on other messageboards as though any fan that is not on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon, is automatically happy with failure and mediocrity. I don't think any fan is happy with 5-8. Hell, I want 'em to go to the SuperBowl every year....

There's not much to defend Kubes with these days. I've seen some very logical arguments about why he should go. About the only positive thing you can say, from what I hear and read, is that the players still believe in him and give 100% effort (even though they keep coming up short).....

yes, I am referring to management. If Kubiak stays, I will not be happy, but I will start next season truly rooting for him to prove me wrong. And I will start week 1 thinking this is the year. That is my right as a fan.

But the ownership, and Rick Smith if he is involved on that level, should not have the option to ignore the writing on the wall like I can as a fan.


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