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NBT 03-01-2010 03:03 PM

I want to get a gander at FS Earl Thomas tomorrow at the combine. I just may become a convert. He is supposed to have superb instincts for the position.

kRocket 03-01-2010 05:16 PM

Just FYI, Mayock moved him ahead of Eric Berry in his top 5. Don't know why, just glimpsed the crawl while watching the combine.

Roy P 03-01-2010 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 18578)
I want to get a gander at FS Earl Thomas tomorrow at the combine. I just may become a convert. He is supposed to have superb instincts for the position.

Since Spoon ran a 4.68 today, I may have to slide Thomas ahead of him on the draft board. I'm expecting Earl to run a 4.45 or better. That would compel me to move him up by de-facto. Not to mention, we really need a FS and Chris Cook put up 7 reps on the Bench while Myron Lewis put up 10. I'm thinking that the only "sleeper" CB/FS hybrid is going to be Brian Jackson from Oklahoma. Therefore, if Thomas is there at #20, I might just have to go that route. Of course, now that I'm jumping on that bandwagon, he'll be gone by then. We'll have to wait and see what he does at the Combine tomorrow.

nunusguy 03-01-2010 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kRocket (Post 18579)
Just FYI, Mayock moved him ahead of Eric Berry in his top 5. Don't know why, just glimpsed the crawl while watching the combine.

FWIW he's also got McCoy ahead of Suh on the basis of the Oklahoma tackle being more disruptive, more of a pure 3-Tech talent than Suh.

Roy P 03-01-2010 08:22 PM

Today they had a dissertation on how the NFL is a passing league and that defenders are now being graded on how well they defend against the pass. McCoy has more "wiggle" to slip past Guards to get pressure on the QB. Getting sacks is how DTs can make plays in the passing game. DBs make plays by getting Interceptions, so Thomas is the better "Ball Hawk" in Mayock's eyes. Eric Berry goes for "hits" to break up passes, so that's his explanation for why he has guys ranked higher.

Roy P 03-02-2010 08:01 PM

Post Combine My Guys
 
This is my quick knee-jerk reaction to what I saw at the Combine. While I'm not "in love" with Taylor Mays, he's at least now on my draft board. While Spoon let me down with his 40, he more than made up for it with 34 Reps and a 40" Vertical. The only reason I don't have him above Earl Thomas is simply because of team Needs and that may change after Free Agency. Anyway, this is the hot off the presses draft board after watching the DBs at the Combine.

1 OT Trent Williams
2 DT Dan Williams
3 OT Bryan Bulaga
4 S Earl Thomas
5 LB Sean Weatherspoon
6 S Taylor Mays
7 CB Devin McCourty
8 LB *Rolando McClain
9 CB Patrick Robinson
10 CB Kyle Wilson
11 RB Ben Tate
12 RB Montario Hardesty
13 RB Ryan Matthews
14 RB Toby Gerhart
15 CB Brandon Ghee
16 WR *Arrelious Benn
17 OG Jon Asamoah
18 OT Rodger Saffold
19 S Morgan Burnett
20 LB Daryl Washington
21 DT Lamarr Houston
22 DT Tyson Alualu
23 CB Syd'Quan Thompson
24 DE Greg Hardy
25 RB Anthony Dixon
26 OG John Jerry
27 OG Marshall Newhouse
28 OG Mike Johnson
29 DT Linval Joseph
30 DT Mike Neal
31 QB Dan LeFevour
32 OT Kyle Calloway
33 DT Cam Thomas
34 LB Rennie Curran
35 OC Matt Tennant
36 FS Major Wright
37 S Darrell Stuckey
38 CB Donovan Warren
39 FS Myron Lewis
40 CB Alterraun Verner
41 LB AJ Edds
42 FS Brian Jackson
43 S Larry Asante
44 LB Roddrick Muckelroy
45 DT Torrell Troup
46 DT Geno Atkins
47 QB John Skelton
48 OC JD Walton
49 LB Pat Angerer
50 OC Eric Olsen
51 DT Jay Ross
52 RB Lonyae Miller
53 FS Chris Cook
54 CB Trevard Lindley
55 OC Ted Larsen
56 DT Corey Peters
57 S Robert Johnson
58 S Myron Rolle
59 S Nick Polk
60 FS Terrell Skinner

kRocket 03-03-2010 11:57 AM

I wish Amobi Okoye would either become a blooming starter or the F.O. would give up on him so we could draft a new tackle of that ilk. Some of the good tackles available aren't useful because they duplicate him, and yet nobody seems wholly satisfied with his performance.

Roy P 03-08-2010 08:54 PM

8 March
 
After watching the Senior Bowl again, I have moved up Bulldogs Geno Atkins and Jamar Chaney. Atkins is a mid-round pick who could push Okoye. Chaney was a MLB who I wrote off as being a duplicate for Ryans. However, he is more athletic than I thought. I also didn't have Eric Berry on the board, since I thought it was a moot point. However, if he's on the board after the first 10 picks, I may have to get on the phone and see what I need to do in order to move up.

1 S Eric Berry 5'11" 203 Tennessee
2 OT Trent Williams 6'5" 315 Oklahoma
3 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 325 Tennessee
4 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 Texas
5 OT Bryan Bulaga 6'5" 315 Iowa
6 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 Missouri
7 LB Rolando McClain 6'4" 245 Alabama
8 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 Boise St
9 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 Florida St
10 S Taylor Mays 6'3" 230 USC
11 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 Rutgers
12 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 Auburn
13 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 Tennessee
14 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 Fresno St.
15 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 Wake Forest
16 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 Stanford
17 WR Arrelious Benn 6'2" 214 Illinois
18 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 Illinois
19 LB Daryl Washington 6'2" 226 TCU
20 DT Tyson Alualu 6'2" 291 California
21 OT Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 Indiana
22 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 286 Georgia
23 DT Lamarr Houston 6'2" 284 Texas
24 S Morgan Burnett 6'1" 210 Georgia Tech
25 CB Syd'Quan Thompson 5'9" 182 California
26 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235 Mississippi St
27 DE Greg Hardy 6'4" 265 Mississippi
28 OG Mike Johnson 6'5" 305 Alabama
29 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 Mississippi
30 CB Donovan Warren 6'0" 185 Michigan
31 OT Kyle Calloway 6'6" 320 Iowa
32 QB Dan LeFevour 6'3" 226 Central Michigan
33 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 Kansas
34 LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 Mississippi St
35 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 293 Purdue
36 LB Rennie Curran 5'11" 225 Georgia
37 DT Linval Joseph 6'6" 322 East Carolina
38 FS Major Wright 6'1" 205 Florida
39 OC Matt Tennant 6'4" 295 Boston College
40 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 TCU
41 FS Brian Jackson 6'1" 202 Oklahoma
42 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 UCLA
43 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 Kentucky
44 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 Vanderbilt
45 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 Iowa
46 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 Fresno St.
47 S Larry Asante 6'0" 210 Nebraska
48 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 Fresno St.
49 DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 Central Florida
50 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 Fordham
51 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305 Baylor
52 LB Roddrick Muckelroy 6'2" 235 Texas
53 DT Cam Thomas 6'4" 331 North Carolina
54 FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210 Virginia
55 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 303 Notre Dame
56 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 East Carolina
57 LB Pat Angerer 6'0" 235 Iowa
58 OC Ted Larsen 6'2" 300 North Carolina St
59 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 Kentucky
60 S Myron Rolle 6' 2" 211 Florida State
61 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213 Indiana
62 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 Utah
63 FS Terrell Skinner 6'2" 214 Maryland
64 FS Jamar Wall 5'10" 204 Texas Tech
65 WR Danario Alexander 6'4" 210 Missouri

Roy P 03-10-2010 05:49 PM

Getting more "official" times slants my view and some players come off the board altogether.

1 S Eric Berry 5'11" 203 4.40 Tennessee
2 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 5.17 Tennessee
3 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 4.44 Texas
4 OT Trent Williams 6'5" 315 4.88 Oklahoma
5 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
6 OT Bryan Bulaga 6'5" 315 5.26 Iowa
7 LB Rolando McClain 6'4" 245 4.68 Alabama
8 S Taylor Mays 6'3" 230 4.43 USC
9 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 4.42 Boise St
10 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 4.48 Rutgers
11 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 4.45 Fresno St.
12 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 4.56 Florida St
13 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
14 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 4.49 Tennessee
15 DT Tyson Alualu 6'3" 295 4.95 California
16 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
17 LB Daryl Washington 6'2" 226 4.66 TCU
18 OT Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
19 DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas
20 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
21 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
22 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
23 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
24 S Morgan Burnett 6'1" 210 4.54 Georgia Tech
25 FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210 4.46 Virginia
26 QB Dan LeFevour 6'3" 226 4.72 Central Michigan
27 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 294 4.89 Purdue
28 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235 4.59 Mississippi St
29 CB Syd'Quan Thompson 5'9" 182 4.49 California
30 OG Mike Johnson 6'5" 305 5.41 Alabama
31 FS Major Wright 6'1" 205 4.48 Florida
32 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
33 LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
34 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305 5.22 Baylor
35 DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328 5.12 East Carolina
36 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
37 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.54 UCLA
38 DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 5.18 Central Florida
39 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
40 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 4.45 Vanderbilt
41 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 4.71 Iowa
42 FS Brian Jackson 6'1" 202 4.63 Oklahoma
43 LB Pat Angerer 6'0" 235 4.71 Iowa
44 LB Rennie Curran 5'11" 225 4.72 Georgia
45 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
46 OT Kyle Calloway 6'6" 320 5.48 Iowa
47 OC Ted Larsen 6'3" 304 5.26 North Carolina St
48 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306 5.26 Notre Dame
49 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
50 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham
51 DE Lindsey Witten 6'4" 248 4.73 Connecticut
52 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213 4.54 Indiana
53 FS Terrell Skinner 6'2" 214 4.59 Maryland
54 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
55 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 5.02 Kentucky
56 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah
57 OC John Estes 6'2" 295 5.22 Hawaii
58 LB Kavell Conner 6'1" 242 4.63 Clemson
59 WR Danario Alexander 6'4" 210 4.58 Missouri
60 FS Jamar Wall 5'10" 204 4.52 Texas Tech

Roy P 03-14-2010 04:01 PM

14 March 2010
 
1 S Eric Berry 5'11" 203 4.40 Tennessee
2 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 4.44 Texas
3 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 5.17 Tennessee
4 OT Trent Williams 6'5" 315 4.88 Oklahoma
5 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
6 OT Bryan Bulaga 6'5" 315 5.26 Iowa
7 LB Rolando McClain 6'4" 245 4.68 Alabama
8 S Taylor Mays 6'3" 230 4.43 USC
9 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 4.42 Boise St
10 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 4.48 Rutgers
11 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
12 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 4.45 Fresno St.
13 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 4.56 Florida St
14 DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas
15 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
16 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 4.49 Tennessee
17 DT Tyson Alualu 6'3" 295 4.95 California
18 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
19 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
20 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
21 LB Daryl Washington 6'2" 226 4.66 TCU
22 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
23 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 Indiana (Pa)
24 OT Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
25 FS Morgan Burnett 6'1" 210 4.54 Georgia Tech
26 FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210 4.46 Virginia
27 CB Syd'Quan Thompson 5'9" 182 4.49 California
28 QB Dan LeFevour 6'3" 226 4.72 Central Michigan
29 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 294 4.89 Purdue
30 OG Mike Johnson 6'5" 305 5.41 Alabama
31 DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328 5.12 East Carolina
32 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235 4.59 Mississippi St
32 FS Major Wright 6'1" 205 4.48 Florida
33 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
34 LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
36 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305 5.22 Baylor
37 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
38 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.54 UCLA
39 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
40 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
41 FS Kam Chancellor 6' 3" 235 4.60 Virginia Tech
42 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 4.71 Iowa
43 OT Kyle Calloway 6'6" 320 5.48 Iowa
44 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
45 LB Pat Angerer 6'0" 235 4.71 Iowa
46 LB Rennie Curran 5'11" 225 4.72 Georgia
47 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 4.45 Vanderbilt
48 OC Ted Larsen 6'3" 304 5.26 North Carolina St
49 DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 5.18 Central Florida
50 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306 5.26 Notre Dame
51 FS Brian Jackson 6'1" 202 4.63 Oklahoma
52 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham
53 DE Lindsey Witten 6'4" 248 4.73 Connecticut
54 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213 4.54 Indiana
55 FS Terrell Skinner 6'2" 214 4.59 Maryland
56 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
57 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 5.02 Kentucky
58 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah
59 OC John Estes 6'2" 295 5.22 Hawaii
60 LB Kavell Conner 6'1" 242 4.63 Clemson

Roy P 03-14-2010 06:45 PM

"Worst Case Scenario"
 
Either I have some of my guys overrated, or there are certain players being disrespected. I keep selecting some of the same guys over and over again, so that probably means, that mocks are simply not rating them high enough. This would be the draft that I'd be expecting to be able to come away with and I'd be willing to trade up into the 3rd by using next year's 2nd....

1. LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
2. CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
3. OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
3. FS Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 Indiana (Pa)
4. DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328 5.12 East Carolina
5. OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
6. RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
6. QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham
7. DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 5.02 Kentucky

Roy P 03-14-2010 08:28 PM

I'm wondering if we could get a player like Weatherspoon and have the defense play a 3-3-5 on passing downs. Instead of removing the SAM, we replace the SS. I'd love to get Geno Atkins.

Barwin-Geno Atkins-Mario Williams

Cushing-Ryans- Sean Weatherspoon

Reeves - Akwasi Owusu Ansah - A.J. Jefferson - Quinn - Brandon Ghee

Roy P 03-21-2010 10:04 AM

21 March 2010
 
1 S Eric Berry 5'11" 203
2 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195
3 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327
4 OT Trent Williams 6'5" 315
5 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245
6 LB Rolando McClain 6'4" 245
7 OT Bryan Bulaga 6'5" 315
8 S Taylor Mays 6'3" 230
9 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186
10 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185
11 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220
12 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191
13 DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305
14 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194
15 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218
16 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215
17 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332
18 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235
19 DT Tyson Alualu 6'3" 295
20 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293
21 LB Daryl Washington 6'2" 226
22 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308
23 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207
24 FS Morgan Burnett 6'1" 210
25 OT Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306
26 FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210
27 CB Syd'Quan Thompson 5'9" 182
28 QB Dan LeFevour 6'3" 226
29 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 294
30 OG Mike Johnson 6'5" 305
31 DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328
32 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235
33 FS Major Wright 6'1" 205
34 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205
35 LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240
36 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305
37 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193
37 FS Kam Chancellor 6' 3" 235
38 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185
39 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326
40 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220
42 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246
43 OT Kyle Calloway 6'6" 320
44 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180
45 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245
46 LB Pat Angerer 6'0" 235
47 LB Rennie Curran 5'11" 225
48 OC Ted Larsen 6'3" 304
49 DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314
50 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306
51 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205
52 FS Brian Jackson 6'1" 202
53 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317
54 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295
55 DE Lindsey Witten 6'4" 248
56 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213
57 FS Terrell Skinner 6'2" 214
58 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200
59 OC John Estes 6'2" 295
60 LB Kavell Conner 6'1" 242

Roy P 03-26-2010 11:07 PM

27 Mar 2010
 
1 S Eric Berry
2 OT Trent Williams
3 S Earl Thomas
4 DT Dan Williams
5 LB Sean Weatherspoon
6 LB Rolando McClain
7 S Taylor Mays
8 CB Devin McCourty
9 CB Kyle Wilson
10 CB Brandon Ghee
11 CB Patrick Robinson
12 RB Ben Tate
13 RB Ryan Matthews
14 RB Toby Gerhart
15 RB Montario Hardesty
16 DT Tyson Alualu
17 DT Geno Atkins
18 DT Lamarr Houston
19 OG John Jerry
20 LB Daryl Washington
21 OG Jon Asamoah
22 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
23 FS Morgan Burnett
24 OT Rodger Saffold
25 FS Chris Cook
26 QB Dan LeFevour
27 DT Mike Neal
28 CB Kevin Thomas
29 DT Linval Joseph
30 FS Major Wright
31 S Darrell Stuckey
32 LB Jamar Chaney
33 OC JD Walton
34 RB James Starks
35 OG Marshall Newhouse
36 CB AJ Jefferson
37 CB Alterraun Verner
38 LB Pat Angerer
39 DT Torrell Troup
40 LB AJ Edds
41 CB Trevard Lindley
42 QB John Skelton
43 RB Lonyae Miller
44 DT Earl Mitchell
45 LB Simoni Lawrence
46 FS Myron Lewis
47 OG Shelley Smith
48 DE Lindsey Witten
49 RB Joique Bell
50 LB Rennie Curran
51 OC Eric Olsen
52 FS Brian Jackson
53 DT Jay Ross
54 DT Corey Peters
55 CB Syd'Quan Thompson
56 RB Anthony Dixon
57 S Nick Polk
58 FS Terrell Skinner
59 OC Joe Hawley
60 S Robert Johnson
61 OC John Estes
62 LB Kavell Conner
63 FS Jamar Wall
64 K Aaron Pettrey

kRocket 03-27-2010 11:35 AM

Roy:

I would like you to look into a guy named Joe Webb of UAB. He was a QB for them but is coming out as a WR. He did not get an invite to combine, but his pro-day measurables put him at the very top of the receiver's list. He is +-6'3" 225, ran 4.5 40yd, 21 reps @225, 42.5" vert., 11.5' Broad, 4.04 shuttle, 6.71 3-cone. He is 5-6th round but rising fast.

I say this because who is say how much longer we can hold on to AJ if he really wants a ring and AD is getting long of tooth for never having been a starter. Joe is going to take a couple of years to make the switch otherwise he is probably a 1st. Just asking your opinion because Mayock mentioned him as a sleeper a couple of days ago and I have seen some mocks with us taking a WR around #4 which is ultimately where he will probably go IMO.

Roy P 03-27-2010 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kRocket (Post 19027)
Roy:

I would like you to look into a guy named Joe Webb of UAB.
He is +-6'3" 225, ran 4.5 40yd, 21 reps @225, 42.5" vert., 11.5' Broad, 4.04 shuttle, 6.71 3-cone. He is 5-6th round but rising fast.

Just asking your opinion because Mayock mentioned him as a sleeper a couple of days ago and I have seen some mocks with us taking a WR around #4 which is ultimately where he will probably go IMO.

I saw Webb at the Senior Bowl practices and he didn't jump out at me. Corey Chavous was talking him up, but I just didn't see it. Also, I'm not really itching to get another WR after signing Kevin Walter. HOWEVER, if I were wanting to get a WR to develop and maybe put on the practice squad or just be a Special Teamer, then these are the players I'd look at....

Blair White Mich St. 6'2" 209lbs 4.49, 18 reps, 33.5" vert, 9.5' Broad, 4.03 shuttle, 6.69 3-Cone. He has good hands and runs routes better than Webb.

David Gettis Baylor 6'3" 217lbs 4.43, 15 reps, 34.5" vert, 10.3' Broad, 4.41 shuttle, 6.94 3-Cone.

Marcus Easely UConn 6'3" 210lbs 4.39, 16 reps, 34" vert, 10.2' Broad, 4.61 shuttle, 6.94 3-Cone

Scott Long UofL 6'2" 216lbs 4.46, 20 reps, 41.5" vert, 10.2' Broad, 4.09 shuttle, 6.45 3-Cone. He could possibly be signed as an undrafted Free Agent after the draft is over.

Now, I can understand falling in love with measurables and it's not like we are going to spend a 1st round pick on him like Jacksonville did on a QB turn WR. Just looking at previous conversions: 49er's Michael Robinson and the Jets' Brad Smith have been less than stellar. So, we could get a WR on the 3rd day of the draft and maybe one of these guys will be the one.

painekiller 03-27-2010 01:39 PM

I would add Eric Decker Minnesota WR 6-3 217 projects as btween 4.47 and 4.54. He had his lis franc ligament repaired and is out 6-8 months from the surgery which happen in late October. I is not going to be able to run before the draft. Brandon Marshall and Ted Ginn Jr both had the same surgery and have recovered well.

kRocket 03-28-2010 07:15 AM

On the whole, if I were going to draft a project WR in the 4-5th round I believe I would try for a high measurable athlete to convert to WR rather than a career wide receiver that couldn't make it past the 4-5th round. You really don't know what you are getting with either but QB's have a habit of being among the best athletes on the field since they were in middle school. It is always a crap shoot around the 5th round anyway so I would go with the potential high-reward guy. 6'3" height combine with 42.5" vertical would give him the advantage over most every DB. Just my 2 cents.

Roy P 03-28-2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kRocket (Post 19037)
I would try for a high measurable athlete to convert to WR rather than a career wide receiver that couldn't make it past the 4-5th round. It is always a crap shoot around the 5th round anyway so I would go with the potential high-reward guy. 6'3" height combine with 42.5" vertical would give him the advantage over most every DB. Just my 2 cents.

If you are just looking for the athlete, to have an advantage over a DB, I'll take Long as an UDFA. He has experience catching the ball and if we are just looking for a project, why "waste" a draft pick on that? There are plenty of projects to be found after the draft. This team could draft a starter in the 4th round and it's 5th round picks could get significant playing time as a rotational player on the DLine or a player who could challenge Diles at WLB.

This team has enough holes that it doesn't have the luxury of drafting projects. We should be seeking solid contributors with every pick.

kRocket 03-28-2010 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19040)
This team has enough holes that it doesn't have the luxury of drafting projects. We should be seeking solid contributors with every pick.

I can easily agree with that statement. I just can't imagine this team having much luck without AJ and it would be nice to have someone waiting in line and I don't think we really do right now.

Roy P 03-28-2010 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kRocket (Post 19046)
I can easily agree with that statement. I just can't imagine this team having much luck without AJ and it would be nice to have someone waiting in line and I don't think we really do right now.

We wouldn't have much luck without Andre. The same could be said about most teams losing their best player. If at some point, Dre becomes injured or is a Free Agent that we can no longer keep, then we will probably draft a WR in the first round. Right now, we just have to keep our fingers crossed that Dre stays healthy and happy. The team wouldn't have much luck if Ryans or Schaub went down either, but we can't really draft their counterparts either.

Roy P 04-02-2010 10:11 PM

The top 48 Athletes at the Combine
 
-------------------------------Explosion-----Quickness----Athleticism
1 LB Sean Weatherspoon 84.25 12.97 6.50
2 RB Ben Tate 76.83 12.52 6.14
3 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 76.08 12.7 5.99
4 WR Scott Long 71.75 12.03 5.96
5 LB Jamar Chaney 75.33 12.73 5.92
6 CFS *Eric Berry 72.83 12.57 5.79
7 RB Montario Hardesty 72.33 12.52 5.78
8 DT Ndamukong Suh 76.25 13.34 5.72
9 DT Geno Atkins 76.75 13.44 5.71
10 RB Toby Gerhart 69.83 12.74 5.48
11 RB Lonyae Miller 72.5 13.29 5.46
12 LB Pat Angerer 70.16 12.96 5.41
13 DT Mike Neal 73.42 13.66 5.37
14 LB Simoni Lawrence 71.25 13.28 5.37
15 DT Linval Joseph 77.25 14.58 5.30
16 CSS Myron Rolle 67.25 12.7 5.30
17 CFS Brian Jackson 65.5 12.54 5.22
18 DT Lamarr Houston 73 14 5.21
19 CB Crezdon Butler 66.58 12.85 5.18
20 CB Kevin Thomas 64 12.52 5.11
21 DE Lindsey Witten 69.12 13.53 5.11
22 OL Eric Olsen 72.25 14.19 5.09
23 CB Devin McCourty 62.5 12.3 5.08
24 RB Ryan Matthews 65.08 12.82 5.08
25 CB Brandon Ghee 62.58 12.34 5.07
26 DT Torrell Troup 71.12 14.09 5.05
27 CB A.J. Jefferson 61.5 12.28 5.01
28 DT Tyson Alualu 66.2 13.25 5.00
29 OL Joe Hawley 69.75 14.01 4.98
30 CB *Joe Haden 63.42 12.81 4.95
31 LB Kavell Conner 66.66 13.51 4.93
32 OL Shelley Smith 69.25 14.12 4.90
33 OL Shawn Lauvao 67.92 13.87 4.90
34 DT Cam Thomas 68.5 14.19 4.83
35 RB James Starks 60.92 12.67 4.81
36 CB Kareem Jackson 60.32 12.59 4.79
37 OL Trent Williams 66.92 13.97 4.79
38 CFS Major Wright 61.42 12.84 4.78
39 LB Kam Chancellor 63.75 13.37 4.77
40 OL Rodger Saffold 65.92 13.89 4.75
41 CB David Pender 61.3 12.92 4.74
42 DT *Gerald McCoy 63 13.48 4.67
43 DT Dan Williams 67 14.5 4.62
44 DE George Selvie 63.58 13.78 4.61
45 DE Carlos Dunlap 61.75 13.43 4.60
46 CB Trevard Lindley 57.25 12.63 4.53
47 DT Earl Mitchell 62.42 13.79 4.53
48 LB AJ Edds 58.75 13.07 4.50

Explosion = Reps + Vert + Broad Jump
Quickness = 10yard + Shuttle + Cone
Athleticism = Explosion/Quickness

painekiller 04-02-2010 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19128)
1 LB Sean Weatherspoon 84.25 12.97 6.50

How do you pass him up at 20? A super group of LBs, Cushing Ryans Weatherspoon, makes so much sense to me....

Roy P 04-03-2010 10:13 PM

April 4, Easter Sunday
 
1 S Eric Berry 5'11" 203 4.40 Tennessee
2 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 4.44 Texas
3 OT Trent Williams 6'5" 315 4.88 Oklahoma
4 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
5 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 5.17 Tennessee
6 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 4.42 Boise St
7 S Taylor Mays 6'3" 230 4.43 USC
8 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 4.48 Rutgers
9 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 4.46 Florida St
10 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 4.45 Fresno St.
11 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
12 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
13 CB Kareem Jackson 5'11" 196 4.46 Alabama
14 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
15 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
16 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 4.49 Tennessee
17 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
18 DT Tyson Alualu 6'3" 295 4.95 California
19 DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas
20 RB Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 229 4.64 Georgia Tech
21 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
22 OT Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
23 FS Major Wright 6'1" 205 4.48 Florida
24 FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210 4.46 Virginia
25 FS Morgan Burnett 6'1" 210 4.54 Georgia Tech
26 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 294 4.89 Purdue
27 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 Indiana (Pa)
28 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
29 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305 5.22 Baylor
30 DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328 5.12 East Carolina
31 DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 5.18 Central Florida
32 QB Dan LeFevour 6'3" 226 4.72 Central Michigan
33 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
34 LB Dekoda Watson 6'3" 226 4.55 Florida St
35 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
36 RB James Starks 6' 2" 218 4.50 Buffalo
37 DE Lindsey Witten 6'4" 248 4.73 Connecticut
38 CB Kevin Thomas 6'0" 192 4.41 USC
39 LB Pat Angerer 6'0" 235 4.71 Iowa
40 LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
41 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 4.71 Iowa
42 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
43 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
44 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 4.45 Vanderbilt
45 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306 5.26 Notre Dame
46 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
47 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham
48 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
49 LB Simoni Lawrence 6'1" 232 4.59 Minnesota
50 DT Earl Mitchell 6'2" 296 4.75 Arizona
51 FS Brian Jackson 6'1" 202 4.63 Oklahoma
52 RB Joique Bell 5'11" 220 4.68 Wayne St
53 OG Shawn Lauvao 6'3" 315 5.22 Arizona St
54 OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State
55 LB Kavell Conner 6'1" 242 4.63 Clemson
56 OC Joe Hawley 6'3" 297 5.21 UNLV
57 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah
58 CB Crezdon Butler 6'0" 191 4.54 Clemson
59 FS Terrell Skinner 6'2" 214 4.59 Maryland
60 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 5.02 Kentucky

kRocket 04-04-2010 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19047)
We wouldn't have much luck without Andre. The same could be said about most teams losing their best player. If at some point, Dre becomes injured or is a Free Agent that we can no longer keep, then we will probably draft a WR in the first round. Right now, we just have to keep our fingers crossed that Dre stays healthy and happy. The team wouldn't have much luck if Ryans or Schaub went down either, but we can't really draft their counterparts either.

We are going to have trouble ever becoming a championship team if we don't develop players before the need actually arises. There is pretty good evidence already that Dre isn't all that happy and wants to play for a team that has a chance at a ring. I can't blame him really.

I look at the NE Patriots. They can lose important players and have someone waiting in the wings to come forward. Welker goes down and Edelman fills in well. Their QB hits the dirt and Cassel (sp?) comes to the rescue. They have been able to acquire first round choices by trading off good players and having just as good players waiting to take their place. Having a 1.A and 1.B WR on the team is required as far as I am concerned until he is used or traded. AD might still be tradable or keep him another year.

Roy P 04-04-2010 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kRocket (Post 19146)
Having a 1.A and 1.B WR on the team is required as far as I am concerned until he is used or traded. AD might still be tradable or keep him another year.

Okay, here is the guy. Look for #88.

Stephen Williams WR Toledo 6-5 210 4.50 15 36 1/2 2.52 1.48 10'05" 4.11 6.81

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehMxI_i61xE

kRocket 04-05-2010 10:05 AM

Roy:

As usual, you trumped me. Yes, he looks very good, length, speed, and athleticism. Not sure about his routes, but his hands look decent. NFL Draft Scout lists him at number 40 out of 400+ receivers. Project him into the 7th round or UFA. I doubt he would ever be a #1 receiver but you never know. Plaxico Burress is about that size and he did pretty well until his head exploded.

Roy P 04-11-2010 11:48 AM

11 April
 
1 S Eric Berry 5'11" 203 4.40 Tennessee
2 OG Trent Williams 6'5" 315 4.88 Oklahoma
3 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 4.44 Texas
4 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 5.17 Tennessee
5 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
6 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 4.42 Boise St
7 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 4.48 Rutgers
8 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 4.45 Fresno St.

9 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
10 FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
11 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 4.46 Florida St
12 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
13 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
14 DT Tyson Alualu 6'3" 295 4.95 California
15 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
16 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
17 DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas

18 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 4.49 Tennessee
19 RB Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 229 4.64 Georgia Tech
20 DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328 5.12 East Carolina
21 OG Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
22 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
23 FS Major Wright 6'1" 205 4.48 Florida
24 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 Indiana (Pa)
25 DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 5.18 Central Florida
26 FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210 4.46 Virginia
27 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305 5.22 Baylor

28 QB Dan LeFevour 6'3" 226 4.72 Central Michigan
29 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
30 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
31 CB Kevin Thomas 6'0" 192 4.41 USC
32 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 294 4.89 Purdue
33 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235 4.69 Mississippi St
34 LB Dekoda Watson 6'3" 226 4.55 Florida St
35 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
36 RB James Starks 6' 2" 218 4.50 Buffalo

37 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 4.45 Vanderbilt
38 LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
39 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah
40 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
41 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 4.71 Iowa
42 LB Pat Angerer 6'0" 235 4.71 Iowa
43 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham
44 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306 5.26 Notre Dame
45 RB Andre Anderson 5'11" 212 4.54 Tulane
46 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
47 CB Crezdon Butler 6'0" 191 4.54 Clemson
48 FS Brian Jackson 6'1" 202 4.60 Oklahoma
49 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
50 DE Lindsey Witten 6'4" 248 4.73 Connecticut
51 CB Walter McFadden 5'11" 181 4.40 Auburn
52 RB Deji Karim 5'9" 209 4.40 S. Illinois
53 WR Stephen Williams 6'5" 210 4.51 Toledo
54 OG Shawn Lauvao 6'3" 315 5.22 Arizona St

55 DT Earl Mitchell 6'2" 296 4.75 Arizona
56 LB Simoni Lawrence 6'1" 232 4.59 Minnesota
57 RB Andre Dixon 6'1" 205 4.56 Connecticut
58 RB Joique Bell 5'11" 220 4.68 Wayne St
59 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 5.02 Kentucky
60 OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State
61 CB Joshua Moore 5'11" 188 4.50 Kansas St
62 OC Joe Hawley 6'3" 297 5.21 UNLV

63 FS Terrell Skinner 6'2" 214 4.59 Maryland
64 OC John Estes 6'2" 295 5.22 Hawaii
65 FS Jamar Wall 5'10" 204 4.52 Texas Tech
66 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213 4.54 Indiana
67 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
68 WR Scott Long 6'2" 216 4.46 Louisville
69 s Kyle McCarthy 6'0" 205 4.58 Notre Dame
70 P Mike Brandtner 6'1" 202 4.94 Iowa St

Roy P 04-17-2010 11:18 PM

18 April 2010
 
The board is down to 60. As much as I like LeFevour and Skelton, I've decided to not draft a QB this year. I've also decided to add C.J. Spiller since there are conversations out there that he could fall to #20. He's not was we need, but he'd be the BPA most likely if he makes it to me. So, without further ado.....

1 S Eric Berry 5'11" 203 4.40 Tennessee
2 OG Trent Williams 6'5" 315 4.88 Oklahoma
3 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 5.17 Tennessee
4 RB C.J. Spiller 5'11" 196 4.27 Clemson
5 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 4.44 Texas
6 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
7 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 4.42 Boise St
8 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 4.48 Rutgers
9 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 4.45 Fresno St.

10 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 4.46 Florida St
11 FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
12 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
13 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
14 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
15 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
16 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 4.49 Tennessee
17 DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328 5.12 South Florida
18 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
19 DT Tyson Alualu 6'3" 295 4.95 California
20 DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas
21 RB Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 229 4.64 Georgia Tech

22 OG Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
23 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
24 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 IUP
25 FS Major Wright 6'1" 205 4.48 Florida
26 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
27 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235 4.69 Miss St
28 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305 5.22 Baylor
29 DT Torrell Troup 6'3" 314 5.18 Central Florida

30 CB Kevin Thomas 6'0" 192 4.41 USC
31 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
32 RB James Starks 6' 2" 218 4.50 Buffalo
33 LB Dekoda Watson 6'3" 226 4.55 Florida St
34 LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
35 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 294 4.89 Purdue
36 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 4.45 Vanderbilt
37 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
38 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
39 CB Walter McFadden 5'11" 181 4.40 Auburn
40 OG Shawn Lauvao 6'3" 315 5.22 Arizona St

41 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
42 DT Earl Mitchell 6'2" 296 4.75 Arizona
43 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306 5.26 Notre Dame
44 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah
45 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
46 RB Joique Bell 5'11" 220 4.68 Wayne St
47 OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State
48 LB Simoni Lawrence 6'1" 232 4.59 Minnesota

49 RB Deji Karim 5'9" 209 4.40 S. Illinois
50 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 5.02 Kentucky
51 RB Andre Anderson 5'11" 212 4.54 Tulane
52 CB Crezdon Butler 6'0" 191 4.54 Clemson
53 OC Joe Hawley 6'3" 297 5.21 UNLV
54 RB Andre Dixon 6'1" 205 4.56 Connecticut
55 WR Stephen Williams 6'5" 210 4.51 Toledo
56 WR Scott Long 6'2" 216 4.46 Louisville

57 FS Jamar Wall 5'10" 204 4.52 Texas Tech
58 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
59 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213 4.54 Indiana
60 P Mike Brandtner 6'1" 202 4.94 Iowa St

Roy P 04-18-2010 10:30 PM

Just found some video of a few of my favorite players in this draft. Linval Joseph is a Big Body that can rotate with S. Cody at the NT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFTup...eature=related

Ben Tate is my favorite RB, but I wonder if he's still there in the 3rd round. I may just have to take him at #50.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY

Alterraun Verner and Crezdon Butler as CB on the 3rd day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cZbjLR1l_c&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhQucP7DjYE
DANIEL TE'O-NESHEIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmv0jJqpYMg

I almost forgot my FS Robert Johnson...

http://www.youtube.com/user/PremierS.../3/j_ourKzKOnY

Keith 04-18-2010 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19399)
Ben Tate is my favorite RB, but I wonder if he's still there in the 3rd round. I may just have to take him at #50.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY

NFLDraftScout.com has some vids up on CBSSports.com too.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...gs/TSX/2010_RB

I'll admit I'm a bit late to the party, but Tate really jumps off the page for me. Explosive, powerful runner with speed. The combo of speed/strength stats make Tate look like a buy in the 2nd round for me.

I'll also add that I like Montario Hardesty in this area as well. Concerned about his injury history a little, but he seemed to put it together last year. Regardless, having these two available in the 2nd round ought to make it easier to not force a pick in the first I hope.

Roy P 04-19-2010 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 19400)
Tate really jumps off the page for me. Explosive, powerful runner with speed. The combo of speed/strength stats make Tate look like a buy in the 2nd round for me.

Regardless, having these two available in the 2nd round ought to make it easier to not force a pick in the first I hope.

I like McCourty & Tate more than I like Mathews & Ghee. Just sayin'....

Roy P 04-20-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19406)
I like McCourty & Tate more than I like Mathews & Ghee. Just sayin'....

Ok, maybe I'll rethink that line of thinking.....If there were just a CB in the first round that I could really get behind and say, "that's the guy we need!" I'm just afraid we are going to draft the next Carlos Rogers or Aaron Ross instead of the next 5-Time Pro-Bowler.

Roy P 04-20-2010 02:48 PM

DE
 
There are two players that I'd like to compare before the draft....I'll call them M and T.

M - 55 Tackles, 18.5 Tackles For Loss, 12.5 Sacks.
T - 65 Tackles, 14 Tackles For Loss, 11 Sacks.

M - 6' 3", 266lbs, 4.77 - 40 yard dash, 1.60 - 10 yard split
T - 6' 3.5", 267lbs, 4.72 - 40 yard dash, 1.61 - 10 yard split

M - His career totals include 29.5 tackles-for-loss, 19.5 sacks, six fumbles recovered and five pass break-ups.
T - 194 tackles, 47 tackles for loss and as the school's all-time leader with 30 career sacks.

Derrick Morgan is considered to be a top 10 pick.
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim is considered to be a 4th or 5th round pick.

I'm just trying to understand the value here. I will be following these two players for the next 3 years to see which one produces more 'bang for the buck' at the next level. I find it interesting that USC players get graded "evenly" while the other Pac-10 schools get downgraded when compared to East Coast counterparts. Gerhart is getting some bias against him and he played AGAINST USC defenses and broke tackles against Clay Mathews and Brian Cushing. There is the C.J. Spiller vs. Jahvid Best arguments too so, I'm hopeful that it's East vs. West bias and not racism. Maybe I should put Jahvid on my draftboard, since I've added Spiller here recently.

Because Best has a history of concussions, I'd put him after Mathews and above Patrick Robinson.

Roy P 04-20-2010 09:07 PM

21 April
 
With only the first round happening, I'm just going to list my top 20. I'll readjust the draftboard after round one is in the books. I've got some late-comers on the board and some guys I kicked off are back on.

1 S Eric Berry 5'11" 203 4.40 Tennessee
2 OG Trent Williams 6'5" 315 4.88 Oklahoma
3 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 5.17 Tennessee
4 RB C.J. Spiller 5'11" 196 4.27 Clemson
5 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 4.44 Texas
6 CB Joe Haden 5'11" 190 4.42 Florida
7 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
8 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 4.42 Boise St
9 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 4.48 Rutgers
10 CB Kareem Jackson 5'11" 196 4.46 Alabama
11 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 4.45 Fresno St.
12 RB Jahvid Best 5'10" 199 4.34 California
13 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 4.46 Florida St
14 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
15 DT Jared Odrick 6'4" 305 4.98 Penn St
16 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
17 DT Tyson Alualu 6'3" 295 4.95 California
18 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
19 OG Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
20 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois

Roy P 04-21-2010 08:34 PM

And the rest......
 
21 DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas
22 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
23 DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328 5.12 East Carolina
24 FS Morgan Burnett 6'1" 210 4.54 Georgia Tech
25 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 4.49 Tennessee
26 RB Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 229 4.64 Georgia Tech
27 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
28 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 IUP
29 FS Major Wright 6'1" 205 4.48 Florida
30 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
31 DT Cam Thomas 6'4" 331 5.32 North Carolina

32 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
33 DT Torrell Troup 6'3" 314 5.18 Central Florida
34 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235 4.69 Miss St
35 CB Kevin Thomas 6'0" 192 4.41 USC
36 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
37 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305 5.22 Baylor
38 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 4.45 Vanderbilt
39 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 294 4.89 Purdue
40 RB James Starks 6' 2" 218 4.50 Buffalo
41 OG Shawn Lauvao 6'3" 315 5.22 Arizona St

42 LB Dekoda Watson 6'3" 226 4.55 Florida St
43 LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
44 LB Rennie Curran 5'11" 225 4.72 Georgia
45 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
46 CB Walter McFadden 5'11" 181 4.40 Auburn
47 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 4.71 Iowa
48 FS Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah

49 DT Earl Mitchell 6'2" 296 4.75 Arizona
50 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 306 5.26 Notre Dame
52 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
53 CB Donovan Warren 6'0" 185 4.67 Michigan
54 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
55 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 5.02 Kentucky
56 S Myron Rolle 6' 2" 211 4.70 Florida St
57 OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State
58 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
59 RB Joique Bell 5'11" 220 4.68 Wayne St
60 RB Deji Karim 5'9" 209 4.40 S. Illinois

61 CB Crezdon Butler 6'0" 191 4.54 Clemson
61 CB Syd'Quan Thompson 5'9" 182 4.62 California
62 LB Simoni Lawrence 6'1" 232 4.59 Minnesota
63 WR Scott Long 6'2" 216 4.46 Louisville
64 OC Joe Hawley 6'3" 297 5.21 UNLV
65 RB Andre Dixon 6'1" 205 4.56 Connecticut
66 RB Andre Anderson 5'11" 212 4.54 Tulane
67 FS Jamar Wall 5'10" 204 4.52 Texas Tech
68 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
69 WR Stephen Williams 6'5" 210 4.51 Toledo
70 P Mike Brandtner 6'1" 202 4.94 Iowa St

Roy P 04-22-2010 10:02 PM

Round 2
 
At #20 the Texans selected:

20 CB Kareem Jackson 5'11" 196 4.46 Alabama


These are my guys for the 2nd round......

1 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
2 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
3 OG Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
4 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
5 DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas
6 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
7 FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
8 DT Linval Joseph 6'5" 328 5.12 East Carolina
9 FS Morgan Burnett 6'1" 210 4.54 Georgia Tech
10 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 4.49 Tennessee
11 RB Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 229 4.64 Georgia Tech
12 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
13 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
14 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
15 FS Major Wright 6'1" 205 4.48 Florida
16 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 IUP
17 DT Cam Thomas 6'4" 331 5.32 North Carolina

Roy P 04-23-2010 09:18 PM

Going into the 4th round with some picks.
 
I know we drafted Earl Mitchell, but I still want Geno Atkins. Cam Thomas could replace Frank Okam. Plenty of DBs and some LBs.

27 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
28 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 IUP
31 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
32 DT Cam Thomas 6'4" 331 5.32 North Carolina
36 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
42 LB Dekoda Watson 6'3" 226 4.55 Florida St
43 LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
45 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
46 CB Walter McFadden 5'11" 181 4.40 Auburn
47 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 4.71 Iowa
48 FS Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah

Keith 04-23-2010 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 19400)
I'll admit I'm a bit late to the party, but Tate really jumps off the page for me. Explosive, powerful runner with speed. The combo of speed/strength stats make Tate look like a buy in the 2nd round for me.

Like Babe Ruth calling his shot... :p

I'm excited to see Slaton, Tate, and Foster in the backfield. If Slaton can return to 2008 form and Foster improves on how he finished, look out...

Roy P 04-23-2010 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19399)
Ben Tate is my favorite RB, but I wonder if he's still there in the 3rd round. I may just have to take him at #50.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY

We traded down from #50 got an extra pick and still got my guy. Yeah, I'm stoked.


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