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painekiller 11-29-2009 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunn (Post 16460)
Bruce Carter is another player that has impressed me from the linebacker spot. I think he would make an nice inside backer in a 34. He seems to shed blocks well and is a sure tackler.

Bruce Carter is a junior, so we are not sure he will leave school early, and he has is a little on the lite side for a 3-4 LB, being only 230lbs. But might be a good candidate for the WILL.

He is added above.

gunn 11-29-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 16496)
Bruce Carter is a junior, so we are not sure he will leave school early, and he has is a little on the lite side for a 3-4 LB, being only 230lbs. But might be a good candidate for the WILL.

He is added above.


He has also said that he is returning for his senior season... but that can always change. As for being listed at 230... I not sure how accurate that is and maybe my eyes are off... but he seems to be playing at a heavier weight than that.

Roy P 11-29-2009 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 16454)
RB
Toby Gerhart, 6-0, 240, Stanford


[/QUOTE]

I really like this guy. So much for being a sleeper. :rolleyes:

painekiller 11-29-2009 03:33 PM

I really like this guy. So much for being a sleeper. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

He should be a Heisman finalist. And he reminds me of John Riggins, or a short Larry Csonka.

painekiller 11-29-2009 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunn (Post 16511)
He has also said that he is returning for his senior season... but that can always change. As for being listed at 230... I not sure how accurate that is and maybe my eyes are off... but he seems to be playing at a heavier weight than that.

NC has him listed as 225lbs. Most colleges add weight, they don't usually subtract it. But he could have gained since the season started.

bono 11-29-2009 07:11 PM

i have a man crush on Cody from Bama and Suh from Nebraska.

TexanJedi 11-29-2009 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bono (Post 16579)
i have a man crush on Cody from Bama and Suh from Nebraska.

Well, in the unlikely event the Texans bring in Bill Cowher, we're going to need a nose tackle as we almost surely switch back to the 3-4. Mount Cody fits the bill.

painekiller 11-29-2009 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanJedi (Post 16580)
Well, in the unlikely event the Texans bring in Bill Cowher, we're going to need a nose tackle as we almost surely switch back to the 3-4. Mount Cody fits the bill.

Or the better bet is that The Texans sign Casey Hampton to play the NT, better because he is already a success at that position. Plus Cody IMO is over hyped and out of shape, and I question how many plays he can play in a row.

I would rather go for a big guy latter in the draft.

mussop 11-30-2009 08:42 AM

Looks like this upcoming draft is going to be hard for us Texan fans to scout for. We wont know for anohter few weeks whether we will be getting a new coach and scheme. You may need to add 3/4 OLB or DE's to your list.

If we do bring in Cowher one guy we need to look at is Derrick Morgan 6-4, 272 4.68 Georgia Tech. This guy will be a beast as a OLB in a 3/4.

painekiller 11-30-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 16595)
Looks like this upcoming draft is going to be hard for us Texan fans to scout for. We wont know for anohter few weeks whether we will be getting a new coach and scheme. You may need to add 3/4 OLB or DE's to your list.

If we do bring in Cowher one guy we need to look at is Derrick Morgan 6-4, 272 4.68 Georgia Tech. This guy will be a beast as a OLB in a 3/4.

I think we have our 3-4 OLB now, Barwin and Cushing. I play Mario as an attaching DE penetration is the key to stopping offenses.

Fonz the Boss 11-30-2009 03:40 PM

I want a 3-4 scheme here. The only bad thing about it is that our #1 overall pick with Mario Williams would go to waste. The same thing that happened to Aaron Kampman in Green Bay will happen with Mario. Mario will have to be content with taking on blocks for other guys to make the plays.

painekiller 11-30-2009 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss (Post 16603)
I want a 3-4 scheme here. The only bad thing about it is that our #1 overall pick with Mario Williams would go to waste. The same thing that happened to Aaron Kampman in Green Bay will happen with Mario. Mario will have to be content with taking on blocks for other guys to make the plays.

Which is what he is doing now. I know he has a hurt shoulder and should not be playing. Hopefully when we fall out of the playoffs, he gets the surgery done so he will be ready for next season.

mussop 12-01-2009 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 16598)
I think we have our 3-4 OLB now, Barwin and Cushing. I play Mario as an attaching DE penetration is the key to stopping offenses.

I dont think the transition from a 4/3 to a 3/4 will be that difficult.

#1 need - a BIG DT.
Options
Wilfork FA
Hampton FA
Mount Cody from Alabama DRAFT
There are a couple more possibilities in the draft as well.

#2 need - improve the LB's
Great thing about Cushing is that he can play inside or out. That means we can go after the best available LB whether he plays inside or out. Spikes, Rolando McLain, Micah Johnson, Sergio Kindle, Sean Weatherspoon, Eric Norwood, Greg Hardy, Derrick Morgan, Corey Wooton, Jerry Hughes, Brandon Graham are all good fits for a 3/4.

Obvioulsy the first thing to do is get center peice. Go hard after Hampton and Wilfork. Second option would be draft one like Cody.

Lets say we get Hampton who wants to join back up with Cowher. That completes our line. We now have Mario- Hampton- Smith up front. Now lets move to the secod level. There are a lot of options here. Im going to go with Brandon Spikes. He plays with an edge and thats how youre LB's have to play in a 3/4. Remember the poke in the eye incident? Wow with Mario and Hampton pushing the middle, Spikes and Smith cheap shotting people and Cushing, Demeco and Barwin flying around we might actually intimidate someone. Thats what I want a hard nosed defense that will get people out of their gameplan.

I could of gone with any of 5 players over Spikes and it looks just as good.
Rolando McLain, Micah Johnson, Derrick Morgan, Sergio Kindle, Sean Weatherspoon, Eric Norwood.

Mario - Hampton - Smith
Barwin - Ryans - Spikes - Cushing

Thats not a bad front seven to start with.

And I dont care what position we drafted Mario to play. If it makes the team better and helps us become a legit playoff team then its worth it. Besides I think he will be a better player in the 3/4. He is more than capable of dropping into coverage occasionally to confuse QB's. Lining him up between Hampton and Barwin and blitzing would mean 1 on 1 for Mario with a guard.

I actually think he is taylor made for this. He is not the speed rusher some think he is. That has been proven this year. I know he hs been hurt but too large a % of his plays are him getting rode out of the play trying to run around the OT. Those plays are a complete waste of him being on the feild. Hes being totally nuetralized by 1 player. At least in a 3/4 he would be getting one on one with a guard or tying up the OT so a LB can shoot through. We know hes good at tying up OT's. :P

Now thats fixed and we still have the rest of our draft picks to draft a safety and a couple OG's with sand in their pants. Seems simple to me. I just dont understand why some think it would be so hard switching to a 3/4.

With a good NT the rest of our defense might not be exactly what you look for in a traditional 3/4 but it does have enough talent to work. Denver had less talent then us when they switched and they are ranked #5 total defense right now.

In fact 4 out of the top five defenses right now are 3/4 and 2 out of those 4 just switched this year. Denver (#5) and Green Bay (#1). And the other 3/4 top defense (#3) is Pittsburg, who runs the exact sytem we are talking about here.

If you look at Green Bay and Denvers defensive depth chart at the beginning of this year. (beforer the draft and free agency) I bet we have fairly equal talent if not better than either of them. If they can do it and do it at that level then we should be able to too.

painekiller 12-01-2009 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 16612)
I dont think the transition from a 4/3 to a 3/4 will be that difficult.

#1 need - a BIG DT.
Options
Wilfork FA
Hampton FA
Mount Cody from Alabama DRAFT
There are a couple more possibilities in the draft as well.

#2 need - improve the LB's
Great thing about Cushing is that he can play inside or out. That means we can go after the best available LB whether he plays inside or out. Spikes, Rolando McLain, Micah Johnson, Sergio Kindle, Sean Weatherspoon, Eric Norwood, Greg Hardy, Derrick Morgan, Corey Wooton, Jerry Hughes, Brandon Graham are all good fits for a 3/4.

Obvioulsy the first thing to do is get center peice. Go hard after Hampton and Wilfork. Second option would be draft one like Cody.

Lets say we get Hampton who wants to join back up with Cowher. That completes our line. We now have Mario- Hampton- Smith up front. Now lets move to the secod level. There are a lot of options here. Im going to go with Brandon Spikes. He plays with an edge and thats how youre LB's have to play in a 3/4. Remember the poke in the eye incident? Wow with Mario and Hampton pushing the middle, Spikes and Smith cheap shotting people and Cushing, Demeco and Barwin flying around we might actually intimidate someone. Thats what I want a hard nosed defense that will get people out of their gameplan.

I could of gone with any of 5 players over Spikes and it looks just as good.
Rolando McLain, Micah Johnson, Derrick Morgan, Sergio Kindle, Sean Weatherspoon, Eric Norwood.

Mario - Hampton - Smith
Barwin - Ryans - Spikes - Cushing

Thats not a bad front seven to start with.

.

Here's a thought go after both Wilfork and Hampton and have a Jumbo DT pair for a short yardage package.

As for Spikes, the eye poking incedent has lowered him in my book. That is the type thing that get players suspended in the NFL.

I am leaning Rolando McLain, he plays the middle in the 3-4 now.

mussop 12-01-2009 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 16623)
Here's a thought go after both Wilfork and Hampton and have a Jumbo DT pair for a short yardage package.

As for Spikes, the eye poking incedent has lowered him in my book. That is the type thing that get players suspended in the NFL.

I am leaning Rolando McLain, he plays the middle in the 3-4 now.

I have had Rolondo as my top LB all year but he has dissapointed me lately. He seemed to have lost his fire in the Auburn game. He was just blah. You can hold the eye poking incident against Spikes but you cant deny his play. That guy brings it every play. I would love to see a LB crew of

Barwin, Ryans, Spikes, Cushing.

Actually there are several really good options in the upcoming draft that would help make a switch to a 3/4 a smooth transition.

painekiller 12-02-2009 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 16628)
I have had Rolondo as my top LB all year but he has dissapointed me lately. He seemed to have lost his fire in the Auburn game. He was just blah. You can hold the eye poking incident against Spikes but you cant deny his play. That guy brings it every play. I would love to see a LB crew of

Barwin, Ryans, Spikes, Cushing.

Actually there are several really good options in the upcoming draft that would help make a switch to a 3/4 a smooth transition.

Weatherspoon, Ricky Sapp, Sergio Kindle, Micah Johnson, Joe Pawelek, Greg Hardy, George Selvie and Von Miller to name a few. Not saying I want any of these guys, just they could be used in a 3-4.

Weatherspoon is a guy I would be happy with.

mussop 12-02-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 16630)
Weatherspoon, Ricky Sapp, Sergio Kindle, Micah Johnson, Joe Pawelek, Greg Hardy, George Selvie and Von Miller to name a few. Not saying I want any of these guys, just they could be used in a 3-4.

Weatherspoon is a guy I would be happy with.

You left out the best one. Derrick Morgan DE Georgia Tech he is scary good.

This post is mine from another board. It fits good here so -

This draft is loaded with LB's. Rolondo has been at the top of my list all year. I watch him every chance I get. It has been said he is good enough to play OLB but I dont think that he could in the pros. If you watch the Auburn game they kept him out of the game by going to the outside alot. Hes not the same player when chasing down plays. He is as pure an ILB as you will ever see.

Also at ILB is Brandon Spikes ILB 6'3 252 Florida, despite the eye gouging incident he is an absolute stud that will be an instant starter in the pros and Micah Johnson ILB 6'2 256 Kentucky who is a thumper type who excels at plugging the lanes and shutting down the run.

At OLB there are some really nice prospects. If we stay with Kubiak and the 4/3 Sean Weatherspoon OLB 6'1 245 Missouri would give us the best LB crew in the NFL IMO. He's not a monster hitter but he flies around and makes plays all over the feild and most importantly, he is great in pass coverage. In the last 3 years he has had 375 tackles 40 TFL 11 1/2 SK 17 PBU and still has a game to play.

There are a couple of other notworthy's as well in Sean Lee ILB 6'2 235 Penn State who is an ILB but IMO will be a good OLB in the pro's and Eric Norwood OLB 6'0 257 South Carolina.

The ones that really excite me though are the 3/4 OLB's. If we do change coaches and switch to a 3/4 there are many options available that would make the transition a smooth one. Derrick Morgan will be a great one, Sergio Kindle, Greg Hardy, Corey Wootton, Jerry Hughes, Brandon Graham, Antonio Coleman, Ricky Sapp all look like they can play.

gunn 12-08-2009 06:54 PM

Dan Williams is a guy I'm looking for our first round pick. He looks an awful lot like BJ Raji on the field.

painekiller 12-17-2009 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gunn (Post 16857)
Dan Williams is a guy I'm looking for our first round pick. He looks an awful lot like BJ Raji on the field.

Williams is the guy I would be willing to trade back into the 1st round for.

Roy P 12-18-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 16454)
This will be a work in progress, guys added and dropped

[OL
Mike Johnson, 6-5, 300, Alabama
Jason Fox, 6-6, 310, Miami
Cord Howard, 6-4, 310, Georgia Tech
Kevin Matthews, 6-3, 315, Texas A&M
Russell Okung, 6-5, 305, Oklahoma State
Adam Ulatoski, 6-6, 310, Texas
Sergio Render, 6-3, 313, Virginia Tech
Mike Iupati, 6-5, 330, Idaho
Chris Marinelli, 6-6, 315, Stanford
Selvish Capers, 6-4, 310, West Virginia
J.D. Walton, 6-3, 305, Baylor

[/QUOTE]

Kyle Calloway - IOWA

painekiller 12-26-2009 08:39 PM

This will be a work in progress, guys added and dropped

This only a list not a ranking. Especially as we go forward, guys will be added at the bottom of their positions

QBs
Jonathan Crompton, 6-3, 230, Tennessee notes WCO pro style offense
Tony Pike, 6-5, 225, Cincinnati
Zac Robinson, 6-3, 220, Oklahoma State
Jarrod Johnson 6-5 243 Texas A&M most likely 2011
*Case Keenum 6-1.5, 226, Houston

RB
Jonathan Dwyer, 5-11, 230,
Jahvid Best, 5-9, 195, California
Motario Hardesty, 5-11, 215, Tennessee
Charles Scott, 5-10, 235, LSU
Keiland Williams, 5-10, 225, LSU
Javarris James, 5-11, 215, Miami
Kendall Hunter, 5-8, 190, Oklahoma State
John Clay, 6-2, 247, Wisconsin
C.J. Spiller, 5-10, 195, Clemson
Toby Gerhart, 6-0, 240, Stanford

FB & TE
I am not looking to draft either for a while

WR
Dez Bryant, 6-1, 215, Oklahoma State
Danario Alexander, 6-4, 210, Missouri
Brandon LaFell, 6-2, 210, LSU
Wes Lyons, 6-7, 230, West Virginia
Seyi Ajirotutu, 6-2, 210, Fresno State
Mardy Gilyard ,6-0, 190, Cincinnati

OL
Mike Johnson, 6-5, 300, Alabama
Jason Fox, 6-6, 310, Miami
Cord Howard, 6-4, 310, Georgia Tech
Kevin Matthews, 6-3, 315, Texas A&M
Russell Okung, 6-5, 305, Oklahoma State
Adam Ulatoski, 6-6, 310, Texas
Sergio Render, 6-3, 313, Virginia Tech
Mike Iupati, 6-5, 330, Idaho
Chris Marinelli, 6-6, 315, Stanford
Selvish Capers, 6-4, 310, West Virginia
J.D. Walton, 6-3, 305, Baylor

Not that we need one
Brandon Graham, 6-2, 270, Michigan
Will Tukuafu, 6-3 280, Oregon

DT
Gerald McCoy, 6-3, 295, Oklahoma
Ndamukong Suh, 6-3, 300, Nebraska
Joe Joseph, 6-3, 304, Miami
Vince Oghobaase, 6-5, 310, Duke
Dan Williams, 6-2, 325, Tennessee Worth a trade back into the 1st for.
Boo Robinson, 6-2, 325, Wake Forest
*Brian Price, 6-2, 295, UCLA
Ekom Udofia, 6-2, 322, Stanford


MLB
Rolando McClain, 6-3, 255, Alabama
Brandon Spikes, 6-2, 260, Florida
Reggie Carter, 6-0, 240, UCLA
Donald Booker, 5-10, 235, Oklahoma State

OLB
Sean Witherspoon, 6-0, 245, Missouri
Darryl Sharpton ,6-0, 235, Miami
Colin McCarthy, 6-3, 242, Miami
Dakoda Wayson, 6-2, 226, Florida ST.
Rico McCoy, 6-0, 225, Tennessee
Kam Chancellor, 6-3, 230, Virg Tech moved by me to OLB
*Bruce Carter, 6-2, 230, North Carolina


CB
Donovan Warren, 5-11, 180, Michigan notes loves to hit
Trevard Lindley, 5-11, 180, Kentucky
Javier Arenas, 5-9, 195, Alabama (PR)
Patrick Robinson, 5-10, 195, Florida State
Robert McClain, 5-9, 200, UConn

Safeties
Eric Berry, 5-11, 205, Tennessee note worth a trade up for
Morgan Burnett, 6-0, 210, Georgia Tech
Randy Phillips, 6-0, 210, Miami
Kam Chancellor, 6-3, 230, Virg Tech
Jordan Lake, 6-1, 210, Baylor
Justin Woodall, 6-1, 220, Alabama

Punter
Zoltan Mesko, 6-5, 240, Michigan note left footed punter strong leg
Jake Harry, 6-1, 195, Missouri


I have not inluded Taylor Mays on purpose, He is not good in covereage and his tackling sucks. He reminds me of Roy Williams. Might be a solid WILL.

edo783 12-26-2009 10:39 PM

MMmm, left footed punter might cause more fumbles. Any way to know his hang time and distance average?

mussop 12-27-2009 02:41 AM

You need to check out Bruce Carter NC LB. Dude is good.

Also the Pouncey twins from Florida and I will be very interested in Charles Brown USC OT at the Combine. If he is around 300 lbs he could be perfect for the ZB scheme. He looks very athletic and could be a good mid round pick up.

painekiller 12-27-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 17226)
You need to check out Bruce Carter NC LB. Dude is good.

Also the Pouncey twins from Florida and I will be very interested in Charles Brown USC OT at the Combine. If he is around 300 lbs he could be perfect for the ZB scheme. He looks very athletic and could be a good mid round pick up.

Thought I had added the twins, thanks for catching that. I've been seeing them ranked with OC in the 2nd and the OG as a 3rd rounder, so it would be possible to draft both.

painekiller 12-27-2009 10:29 AM

This will be a work in progress, guys added and dropped

This only a list not a ranking. Especially as we go forward, guys will be added at the bottom of their positions

QBs
Jonathan Crompton, 6-3, 230, Tennessee notes WCO pro style offense
Tony Pike, 6-5, 225, Cincinnati
Zac Robinson, 6-3, 220, Oklahoma State
Jarrod Johnson 6-5 243 Texas A&M most likely 2011
*Case Keenum 6-1.5, 226, Houston

RB
Jonathan Dwyer, 5-11, 230,
Jahvid Best, 5-9, 195, California
Motario Hardesty, 5-11, 215, Tennessee
Charles Scott, 5-10, 235, LSU
Keiland Williams, 5-10, 225, LSU
Javarris James, 5-11, 215, Miami
Kendall Hunter, 5-8, 190, Oklahoma State
John Clay, 6-2, 247, Wisconsin
C.J. Spiller, 5-10, 195, Clemson
Toby Gerhart, 6-0, 240, Stanford

FB & TE
I am not looking to draft either for a while

WR
Dez Bryant, 6-1, 215, Oklahoma State
Danario Alexander, 6-4, 210, Missouri
Brandon LaFell, 6-2, 210, LSU
Wes Lyons, 6-7, 230, West Virginia
Seyi Ajirotutu, 6-2, 210, Fresno State
Mardy Gilyard ,6-0, 190, Cincinnati

OL
Mike Johnson, 6-5, 300, Alabama
Jason Fox, 6-6, 310, Miami
Cord Howard, 6-4, 310, Georgia Tech
Kevin Matthews, 6-3, 315, Texas A&M
Russell Okung, 6-5, 305, Oklahoma State
Adam Ulatoski, 6-6, 310, Texas
Sergio Render, 6-3, 313, Virginia Tech
Mike Iupati, 6-5, 330, Idaho
Chris Marinelli, 6-6, 315, Stanford
Selvish Capers, 6-4, 310, West Virginia
J.D. Walton, 6-3, 305, Baylor
*Maurkice Pouncey, 6-5, 320, Florida OC
*Mike Pouncey, 6-5, 320, Florida, OG


Not that we need one
Brandon Graham, 6-2, 270, Michigan
Will Tukuafu, 6-3 280, Oregon

DT
Gerald McCoy, 6-3, 295, Oklahoma
Ndamukong Suh, 6-3, 300, Nebraska
Joe Joseph, 6-3, 304, Miami
Vince Oghobaase, 6-5, 310, Duke
Dan Williams, 6-2, 325, Tennessee Worth a trade back into the 1st for.
Boo Robinson, 6-2, 325, Wake Forest
*Brian Price, 6-2, 295, UCLA
Ekom Udofia, 6-2, 322, Stanford


MLB
Rolando McClain, 6-3, 255, Alabama
Brandon Spikes, 6-2, 260, Florida
Reggie Carter, 6-0, 240, UCLA
Donald Booker, 5-10, 235, Oklahoma State

OLB
Sean Witherspoon, 6-0, 245, Missouri
Darryl Sharpton ,6-0, 235, Miami
Colin McCarthy, 6-3, 242, Miami
Dakoda Wayson, 6-2, 226, Florida ST.
Rico McCoy, 6-0, 225, Tennessee
Kam Chancellor, 6-3, 230, Virg Tech moved by me to OLB
*Bruce Carter, 6-2, 230, North Carolina


CB
Donovan Warren, 5-11, 180, Michigan notes loves to hit
Trevard Lindley, 5-11, 180, Kentucky
Javier Arenas, 5-9, 195, Alabama (PR)
Patrick Robinson, 5-10, 195, Florida State
Robert McClain, 5-9, 200, UConn

Safeties
Eric Berry, 5-11, 205, Tennessee note worth a trade up for
Morgan Burnett, 6-0, 210, Georgia Tech
Randy Phillips, 6-0, 210, Miami
Kam Chancellor, 6-3, 230, Virg Tech
Jordan Lake, 6-1, 210, Baylor
Justin Woodall, 6-1, 220, Alabama

Punter
Zoltan Mesko, 6-5, 240, Michigan note left footed punter strong leg
Jake Harry, 6-1, 195, Missouri


I have not inluded Taylor Mays on purpose, He is not good in covereage and his tackling sucks. He reminds me of Roy Williams. Might be a solid WILL.

painekiller 12-27-2009 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edo783 (Post 17224)
MMmm, left footed punter might cause more fumbles. Any way to know his hang time and distance average?

Quote:

from Wikipedia

Punting
Season Team GP Punts Avg Long Yds
2006 Michigan 13 50 41.6 64 2,079
2007 Michigan 13 70 41.1 68 2,876
2008 Michigan 12 80 43.0 63 3,436
2009 Michigan 12 52 44.5 66 2,312
Career totals 50 252 42.5 68 10,703
IN an article in Scout.com talking about him coming out of HS, his practice hang times in HS where 5.2 seconds. Pro's average 4.7. Not sure of his current numbers.

edo783 12-27-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 17229)
IN an article in Scout.com talking about him coming out of HS, his practice hang times in HS where 5.2 seconds. Pro's average 4.7. Not sure of his current numbers.

Looks pretty good. Certainly a guy to watch.

nero THE zero 12-28-2009 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 16595)
If we do bring in Cowher one guy we need to look at is Derrick Morgan 6-4, 272 4.68 Georgia Tech. This guy will be a beast as a OLB in a 3/4.

I don't understand where this sentiment is coming from as I've seen it from several different places. Just because Morgan projects as a RDE doesn't mean he can move to 3-4 OLB.

I mean, I'm not scout, but I am a Georgia Tech fan and have watched a lot of Derrick Morgan, and he is not a LB. He's a classic DE and reminds me a lot of Freeney in the way he plays.

The idea of him playing LB is silly to me and almost absurd.

NBT 12-30-2009 06:04 PM

Nice work PK, keep it up. Only a little over 4 months till the Draft and we find out for sure who we will get.

Since NFL Draft Scout went bye bye, I don't really have a good draft source anymore.

mussop 12-30-2009 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nero THE zero (Post 17372)
I don't understand where this sentiment is coming from as I've seen it from several different places. Just because Morgan projects as a RDE doesn't mean he can move to 3-4 OLB.

I mean, I'm not scout, but I am a Georgia Tech fan and have watched a lot of Derrick Morgan, and he is not a LB. He's a classic DE and reminds me a lot of Freeney in the way he plays.

The idea of him playing LB is silly to me and almost absurd.


Outside linebacker (weak side, away from the tight end): "He's the rusher, he's the speed guy. Has to be good enough in the rush to beat tackles one-on-one enough to make plays and always beat any backs who try to block him."

What about him makes yo think he couldnt do this?

painekiller 12-30-2009 09:21 PM

This will be a work in progress, guys added and dropped

This only a list not a ranking. Especially as we go forward, guys will be added at the bottom of their positions

QBs
Jonathan Crompton, 6-3, 230, Tennessee notes WCO pro style offense
Tony Pike, 6-5, 225, Cincinnati
Zac Robinson, 6-3, 220, Oklahoma State
Jarrod Johnson 6-5 243 Texas A&M most likely 2011
*Case Keenum 6-1.5, 226, Houston

RB
Jonathan Dwyer, 5-11, 230,
Jahvid Best, 5-9, 195, California
Motario Hardesty, 5-11, 215, Tennessee
Charles Scott, 5-10, 235, LSU
Keiland Williams, 5-10, 225, LSU
Javarris James, 5-11, 215, Miami
Kendall Hunter, 5-8, 190, Oklahoma State
John Clay, 6-2, 247, Wisconsin
C.J. Spiller, 5-10, 195, Clemson
Toby Gerhart, 6-0, 240, Stanford
DeMaundray Woolridge, 5-8, 223, Idaho

FB & TE
I am not looking to draft either for a while

WR
Dez Bryant, 6-1, 215, Oklahoma State
Danario Alexander, 6-4, 210, Missouri
Brandon LaFell, 6-2, 210, LSU
Wes Lyons, 6-7, 230, West Virginia
Seyi Ajirotutu, 6-2, 210, Fresno State
Mardy Gilyard ,6-0, 190, Cincinnati
Freddie Barnes, 6-1, 209, Bowling Green
Max Komar, 5-10, 200, Idaho


OL
Mike Johnson, 6-5, 300, Alabama
Jason Fox, 6-6, 310, Miami
Cord Howard, 6-4, 310, Georgia Tech
Kevin Matthews, 6-3, 315, Texas A&M
Russell Okung, 6-5, 305, Oklahoma State
Adam Ulatoski, 6-6, 310, Texas
Sergio Render, 6-3, 313, Virginia Tech
Mike Iupati, 6-5, 330, Idaho
Chris Marinelli, 6-6, 315, Stanford
Selvish Capers, 6-4, 310, West Virginia
J.D. Walton, 6-3, 305, Baylor
*Maurkice Pouncey, 6-5, 320, Florida OC
*Mike Pouncey, 6-5, 320, Florida, OG
Jon Asamoah, 6-4, 312, Illinois

Not that we need one
Brandon Graham, 6-2, 270, Michigan
Will Tukuafu, 6-3 280, Oregon

DT
Gerald McCoy, 6-3, 295, Oklahoma
Ndamukong Suh, 6-3, 300, Nebraska
Joe Joseph, 6-3, 304, Miami
Vince Oghobaase, 6-5, 310, Duke
Dan Williams, 6-2, 325, Tennessee Worth a trade back into the 1st for.
Boo Robinson, 6-2, 325, Wake Forest
*Brian Price, 6-2, 295, UCLA
Ekom Udofia, 6-2, 322, Stanford


MLB
Rolando McClain, 6-3, 255, Alabama
Brandon Spikes, 6-2, 260, Florida
Reggie Carter, 6-0, 240, UCLA
Donald Booker, 5-10, 235, Oklahoma State

OLB
Sean Witherspoon, 6-0, 245, Missouri
Darryl Sharpton ,6-0, 235, Miami
Colin McCarthy, 6-3, 242, Miami
Dakoda Wayson, 6-2, 226, Florida ST.
Rico McCoy, 6-0, 225, Tennessee
Kam Chancellor, 6-3, 230, Virg Tech moved by me to OLB
*Bruce Carter, 6-2, 230, North Carolina


CB
Donovan Warren, 5-11, 180, Michigan notes loves to hit
Trevard Lindley, 5-11, 180, Kentucky
Javier Arenas, 5-9, 195, Alabama (PR)
Patrick Robinson, 5-10, 195, Florida State
Robert McClain, 5-9, 200, UConn

Safeties
Eric Berry, 5-11, 205, Tennessee note worth a trade up for
Morgan Burnett, 6-0, 210, Georgia Tech
Randy Phillips, 6-0, 210, Miami
Kam Chancellor, 6-3, 230, Virg Tech
Jordan Lake, 6-1, 210, Baylor
Justin Woodall, 6-1, 220, Alabama
Marcellus Bowman, 6-2, 216 Boston College

Punter
Zoltan Mesko, 6-5, 240, Michigan note left footed punter strong leg
Jake Harry, 6-1, 195, Missouri

Kicker
*Kai Forbath, 6-0 -, 192, UCLA

I have not inluded Taylor Mays on purpose, He is not good in covereage and his tackling sucks. He reminds me of Roy Williams. Might be a solid WILL.[/QUOTE]

nero THE zero 12-31-2009 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 17423)
Outside linebacker (weak side, away from the tight end): "He's the rusher, he's the speed guy. Has to be good enough in the rush to beat tackles one-on-one enough to make plays and always beat any backs who try to block him."

What about him makes yo think he couldnt do this?

There's a difference between not being able to do something, and doing something you are best suited for. Andre Johnson could play safety. Brian Cushing could play DE. But, they don't because they're better suited for what they do play.

Again, I'm no scout, so I could be off base here. And, it only takes one team with a crazy idea (i.e. Orakpo at SLB in Washington.) But, Morgan plays DE at Georgia Tech, is a heavy 280lbs., and plays his position well. Not only do I not see a reason for him to play LB, I don't see a fit. Like I've said, we'll have to wait for scout's opinions to come out on the issue for a more definitive answer, but simply by watching him play, he seems a lot more like a Freeney to me than a Merriman.

I'm still curious where this idea came from in the first place.

Roy P 01-02-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nero THE zero (Post 17431)
Like I've said, we'll have to wait for scout's opinions to come out on the issue for a more definitive answer, but simply by watching him play, he seems a lot more like a Freeney to me than a Merriman.

I'm still curious where this idea came from in the first place.

I felt similarly last year when Mike Mayock sayd Robert Ayers could play OLB ina 3/4. Then Mike Nolan's 3/4 running defense went out and drafted him. Now, Ayers is the backup OLB to Elvis Dumervil. :confused:

Roy P 01-03-2010 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 17427)
CB
Donovan Warren, 5-11, 180, Michigan notes loves to hit
Trevard Lindley, 5-11, 180, Kentucky
Javier Arenas, 5-9, 195, Alabama (PR)
Patrick Robinson, 5-10, 195, Florida State
Robert McClain, 5-9, 200, UConn

Safeties
Eric Berry, 5-11, 205, Tennessee note worth a trade up for
Morgan Burnett, 6-0, 210, Georgia Tech
Randy Phillips, 6-0, 210, Miami
Kam Chancellor, 6-3, 230, Virg Tech
Jordan Lake, 6-1, 210, Baylor
Justin Woodall, 6-1, 220, Alabama
Marcellus Bowman, 6-2, 216 Boston College
.

[/QUOTE]

I'd like to keep an eye on Rutgers' Devin McCourty 5' 11" 190lbs as a player who may be moved to FS like Jarius Byrd.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563691

Also, put me down for Robert Johnson 6' 2" 195lbs Utah.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1255571

mussop 01-04-2010 03:45 AM

Nate Allen, S
Height/Weight: 6-2/206 |

Is a guy to keep an eye on

nero THE zero 01-04-2010 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 17455)
I felt similarly last year when Mike Mayock sayd Robert Ayers could play OLB ina 3/4. Then Mike Nolan's 3/4 running defense went out and drafted him. Now, Ayers is the backup OLB to Elvis Dumervil. :confused:

Yea, it could happen. But, it just seems absurd to me.

Roy P 01-04-2010 01:12 PM

Last year we drafted DB's Glover Quinn, Brice McCain, and Troy Nolan. I think they were all in the same conference, weren't they?

Anyway, I don't know if they will declare for the draft early or not, but I really like these two guys from the ACC....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmWJb...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpAk1...eature=related

Dowling plays for UVa and McDaniel is from Clemson.

texan 01-04-2010 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 17670)
Last year we drafted DB's Glover Quinn, Brice McCain, and Troy Nolan. I think they were all in the same conference, weren't they?

Nolan played in the PAC 10, the other two were in the Mountain West.

Roy P 01-04-2010 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texan (Post 17675)
the other two were in the Mountain West.

Ah, I wonder if we are looking at the TCU tandem this year (Priest & Sanders)

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/co...sp?CID=1027171

mussop 01-06-2010 01:14 AM

My list in no particular order

GUARDS
Mike Iupati OG Idaho
Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
Thomas Austin, Clemson
Jon Asamoah, Illinois
Mitch Petrus, Arkansas
Mike Johnson, Alabama
Mike Pouncey Florida, OG


TACKLES
Bruce Campbell, Maryland
Bryan Bulaga*, Iowa
Charles Brown OT USC
Trent Williams, Oklahoma
Jason Fox, Miami
Sam Young, Notre Dame
Adam Ulatoski, Texas
Selvish Capers, West Virginia
Zane Beadles, Utah
Derek Hardman, Eastern Kentucky
Drew Davis, Alabama
Kyle Jolly, North Carolina
Ed Wang, Virginia Tech
Matt Kopa, Stanford
Chris Marinelli, Stanford
Dennis Landolt, Penn State
Rodger Saffold, Indiana
Alonzo Durham, Nevada
CENTERS
Maurkice Pouncey Florida
J.D. Walton, Baylor
Chris Hall, Texas
Eric Olsen, Notre Dame


RB
Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech
C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
Jahvid Best RB California
LeGarrette Blount
Ryan Matthews RB Fresno State
Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State
Montario Hardesty, Tennessee
Toby Gerhart RB Stanford
Evan Royster*, Penn State
Charles Scott, LSU

DT'S

Brian Price, UCLA
Jared Odrick DT Penn State
Dan Williams, Tennessee
Ekom Udofia, 6-2, 322, Stanford
Arthur Jones, Syracuse
Marvin Austin*, North Carolina
Vince Oghobaase, Duke
Lamarr Houston, Texas
Mick Williams, Pittsburgh

CB'S
Ras-I Dowling*, Virginia
Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest
Trevard Lindley, Kentucky
Javier Arenas, Alabama
Kyle Wilson, Boise State
Syd'Quan Thompson, California
Walter Thurmond, Oregon
Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State
Patrick Robinson, Florida State
Walter McFadden, Auburn
Jerome Murphy, South Florida
Robert McClain, 5-9, 200, UConn

SAFETY
Earl Thomas**, FS, Texas
Nate Allen, FS, South Florida
Morgan Burnett, 6-0, 210, Georgia Tech
Darrell Stuckey, S, Kansas
Major Wright*, FS, Florida
Myron Lewis, FS, Vanderbilt
Justin Woodall, S, Alabama
Jordan Lake, FS, Baylor
Robert Johnson, FS, Utah

LB
Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
Travis Lewis**, Oklahoma
Navorro Bowman, Penn State
Rico McCoy, Tennessee
Roddrick Muckelroy, Texas
A.J. Edds, Iowa
Rolando McClain*, Alabama
Brandon Spikes, Florida
Sean Lee, Penn State
Pawelek, Baylor
Micah Johnson, Kentucky
Pat Angerer, Iowa
Von Miller*, Texas A&M
Ricky Sapp, Clemson

Our lists are pretty close.


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