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barrett 11-21-2016 11:29 PM

O'Brien should have challenged on 3rd down when we clearly made it by a half yard. We made this one too, but it's close enough to get screwed by 'inconclusive' replay.

Arky 11-21-2016 11:31 PM

Hunt brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan 44. Nice.

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L Miller for 5. Griffin shaken up on the play...

Pass over the middle to Fido goes to the Raider 37.

Deep ball to Fuller is uncatchable, out of bounds, inc.

L Miller gets about 4. 3rd and 6 coming up.

Oz burns a timeout (#1).

Pass to Hop gets 8 or 9 and the 1st down at the Raider 24.

L Miller for about 5.

Raiders use a timeout (#1).

On 2nd and 5, L Miller goes for 4. 3rd and 1 coming up.

L Miller goes left for 1 or so.... bad spot.... 4th and inches....Texans going for it....

Hunt gets stopped short according to the spot..... OB is challenging the spot.... this should be overturned, 1st down Texans.....

Oh my god, robbery... Raider's ball.

barrett 11-21-2016 11:31 PM

How are those last replays not conclusive?!?! That's brutal. Do we have big Cartel money on this game or something?

Big Texas 11-21-2016 11:32 PM

Wow...they are trying to screw us

barrett 11-21-2016 11:32 PM

If O'Brien doesn't take at least $50K in fines after this game I'll be disappointed. We have been cheated so bad that even the ESPN schills are joking about us definitely not getting a call on the near sideline.

Arky 11-21-2016 11:34 PM

Pass to Cooper gets 8.

Murray gets the 1st down with a 2 yard gain. Ball at the Raider 26, 5:11 left in the game.

Pass to Crabtree off his hands, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Pass to Murray goes for big gainer. Ball is spotted at the Texan 35.

Screen to Cooper goes for the TD.

Raiders 27, Texans 20

4:43 left in the game.

chuck 11-21-2016 11:36 PM

BOB is an imbecile.

barrett 11-21-2016 11:41 PM

We're punting with 1 TO left?

Arky 11-21-2016 11:41 PM

The ensuing kickoff a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.

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Pass to Fido goes for 5.

Oz's pass is nearly INT'ed by the Raiders but inc. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Pass to Hop goes for the 1st down at the Texan 39.

L Miller for 4. 3:43 left in the game.

Oz gets sacked. Flag is down.....holding on the Texans is declined. Brings up 3rd and 10.

Pass to Mumphrey only gets 5. Texans are punting.

Raiders return the punt to their 20 yard line. Raider's ball.

barrett 11-21-2016 11:42 PM

For 36 yards of field position we gave up the ball with 3 minutes left? That should get a guy fired. I guarantee our win expectancy just dropped significantly with that punt.

barrett 11-21-2016 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 44781)
BOB is an imbecile.

That has never been more true than it is right now.

chuck 11-21-2016 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 44784)
For 36 yards of field position we gave up the ball with 3 minutes left? That should get a guy fired. I guarantee our win expectancy just dropped significantly with that punt.

McNeck's not firing anyone. This is the team. This is who they are. This is who they will always be. BOB, no BOB. Smith, no Smith. McNeck is a disgusting reptile who cares about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and could give a shit about winning. Once cancer gets him Fredo takes over and it gets worse.

barrett 11-21-2016 11:47 PM

I'm done with this team until O'Brien is gone. 4th and 5 and you punt the pall from midfield with 3 minutes left down 7. That is truly embarrassing and gutless. HS coaches get fired for that kind of stuff because HS moms know how bad it is and complain.

barrett 11-21-2016 11:51 PM

That 4th down conversion is the cherry on top of our pathetic organization. Del Rio and the Raiders try to give it back to us with a pointless 4th down attempt and we let them convert.

Arky 11-21-2016 11:51 PM

Murray for 2 or 3.

Deep pass to Richard goes for a big gainer. Ball at the Texan 48.

Murray for 4.

Murray for 2. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Murray for 3. Flag is down.....holding on the Raiders is declined.
Raiders appear to be going for it on 4th down....

Murray gets the 1st down but a flag is down....roughness on Wilfork is declined.

Raiders kneeling it.

Final score:

Raiders 27, Texans 20

Robbed.

Big Texas 11-21-2016 11:57 PM

This game was stolen from us from right under our noses...were there some questionable decisions...probably. but the refs screwed us on multiple critical situations.

Keith 11-22-2016 12:02 AM

This is a game O'Brien will want to forget ever happened. So many terrible executive decisions.

Namely, throwing on 3rd and goal when they were just going to kick the field goal. Terrible spots on consecutive plays... challenge on third down and kick on fourth down for the late game lead. Then punting with three minutes in the game down seven points when your defense just allowed 14 unanswered points, including a 75-yd TD reception to a FULLBACK.

If O'Brien makes just one of these late calls correctly, the team maybe wins or forces OT.

Refs sucked, turf sucked, yadda yadda... the Texans were the better team and lost because of O'Brien.

chuck 11-22-2016 12:05 AM

I don't buy the stolen bit. Yes, the refs were terrible. That happens sometimes. Our players didn't play well enough and our coaches fked up bigly, repeatedly.

BOB is in way over his head.

But as I've said, nothing will change with this shitstain of an owner. The good news is that the Colts are, what, two games back now? They'll overtake the Texans and maybe BOB will get fired. Of course, McNeck will hire someone even dumber than BOB.

chuck 11-22-2016 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 44791)
the Texans were the better team and lost because of O'Brien.

This is exactly it. Yet he will never be held accountable.

barrett 11-22-2016 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 44790)
This game was stolen from us from right under our noses...were there some questionable decisions...probably. but the refs screwed us on multiple critical situations.

The game was stolen by the officials.

But whether we are 6-4 or 7-3 really doesn't matter. This team is going nowhere. We are the Washington Generals. Our head coach just punted from mid field on 4th and medium with 1 TO and 3 minutes left. And he did this after not challenging the clearly blown call on the 3rd down spot.

He did this while coaching the broken $72 million QB he never met before our GM signed said QB. And he did it while our Owner made another $100+ million this year as his reward for hiring these idiots. And that is why our owner won't speak one word about the way we were blatantly cheated tonight.

So we'll win 8 games instead of 9 this year because of the officials' incompetence, but does that really matter when we know how our season ends either way?

barrett 11-22-2016 12:12 AM

And I forgot to mention O'Brien did it all while playing against the best young QB in the NFL, Derek Carr, who we desperately needed to draft but we didn't because our owner was afraid our fans wouldn't like his last name.

That is proof that McNair cares far more about money than he does about winning.

chuck 11-22-2016 12:17 AM

The officials made one terrible, irreversible call. All of the other atrocities (save the fourth down fk up) were completely reversible by good decisions by the head coach. That would-be Texans touchdown would not have decided the game.

The Texans scored only 20 points against a bad defense and captured no sacks. The refs were terrible but you can't hang on that. BO is horrible, he was a terrible sign that the head coach had nothing to do with.

Basically, you can complain about the refs all you want but the organization is a disaster.

chuck 11-22-2016 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 44795)
That is proof that McNair cares far more about money than he does about winning.

Of course, money and perception. That is why he is so well liked around the league.

barrett 11-22-2016 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 44796)
The officials made one terrible, irreversible call. All of the other atrocities (save the fourth down fk up) were completely reversible by good decisions by the head coach. That would-be Texans touchdown would not have decided the game.

The Texans scored only 20 points against a bad defense and captured no sacks. The refs were terrible but you can't hang on that. BO is horrible, he was a terrible sign that the head coach had nothing to do with.

Basically, you can complain about the refs all you want but the organization is a disaster.

The failure to overturn the call O'Brien did challenge is just as bad. The fact that every crew around the league all but refuses to overturn missed spots does not excuse the fact that Hunt is on video lying across the 1st down marker. They went under the hood, saw they were wrong, and fell back on the 'call stands' garbage so they wouldn't have to admit it.

It is one of the most embarrassing things about the NFL that they have a naturally biased ref review his own call under a canvas hood. If the NFL cared at all about accuracy, they would get rid of the challenge system and handle all reviews in New York with a neutral official and a bank of 4K TV screens. Instead the NFL makes a mini-game out of review and convinces fans that it is the coach's fault that the refs compounded their incompetence with willful negligence.

I truly don't care who won tonight so I don't say the game was stolen to let O'Brien off the hook. O'Brien punting is a nail in the coffin for me. I won't watch another complete game this season. But none of that excuses the asinine NFL replay system and how poorly it is applied.

barrett 11-22-2016 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 44797)
Of course, money and perception. That is why he is so well liked around the league.

That's why I called us the Washington Generals. We are well paid and well liked to appear as the opponent and lose to the franchises that matter.

Keith 11-22-2016 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 44797)
Of course, money and perception. That is why he is so well liked around the league.

Yes, and this is how the Texans ended up playing this game in Mexico City. The team damn near lost 40% of its OL on a single play. And many others struggled with footing on this pasture all game long. McNair should consider this on the flight home... those are his investments he is risking to injury just so his product can get in this marketing fiesta.

Big Texas 11-22-2016 12:30 AM

I think the obvious is Brock sucks...but we knew that before coming into this game...even still we had a chance to win this game.

YES...we got screwed by the refs...yes refs will make a bad call or two...BUT they don't get a pass...they ****************ed up. In this game it just hurt more because the game was so close.

chuck 11-22-2016 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 44800)
McNair should consider this on the flight home...

He won't.

Each Raiders touchdown was directly traceable to a stupid fking BOB decision. The refs sucked, the field sucked, the water in Mexico sucks, etc. But this loss comes down to the Texans, no one else.

And McNeck doesn't care.

chuck 11-22-2016 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 44779)
If O'Brien doesn't take at least $50K in fines after this game I'll be disappointed.

"I'm not going to sit up here and get fined."

Direct quotation from your head coach at his press conference.

chuck 11-22-2016 12:42 AM

Also, he thought that last Texans play was fourth and six rather than fourth and four.

He truly is too stupid to be a bus driver.

Keith 11-22-2016 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 44804)
He truly is too stupid to be a bus driver.

O'Brien lacks the general IQ to be truly successful consistently. He will get work in the league for a long time after he leaves Houston... Nine win seasons will look great to mediocre and worse teams like the Browns, Rams, and others who, to paraphrase another mouth breather Jeff Fisher, are continually struggling through some 7-9 bullshit.

The strength of this team throughout O'Brien's tenure has clearly been the defense, seemingly the part of the on-field product O'Brien influences the least.

Arky 11-22-2016 12:49 AM

OB really needs to get his booth communication fixed because someone ain't doing their job. The B Miller rolled over Mack for the 1st down should have been caught by someone upstairs. The 3rd down L Miller run near the Raider goal line was another that was missed. No one contacted OB as far as I can tell. OB is on the field and he can't see that sh** - someone upstairs has to tell him when he has a good case.....

Hop's catch and run at the start of the game....dunno... still haven't seen a definitive replay. There was one look where it looked like his heel might've been out of bounds but was it really on the ground and not elevated? Dunno....

The spotting of the ball on the 4th and 1 call on Hunt's run was just all f'ed up. OB challenges but no bueno. The refs f'ed up. I'm still mad.... next time gain two yards and don't leave it the refs...

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The defense was so good except for those two or three mistakes. Some credit goes to the Raiders for figuring out those weaknesses....

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Oz seems to bounce between accurate and inaccurate - drives me crazy. He shoulda been INT'ed about 3 or 4 times..

chuck 11-22-2016 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 44805)
O'Brien lacks the general IQ to be truly successful consistently. He will get work in the league for a long time after he leaves Houston...

He may even go on to win a Super Bowl a couple of years after the owner fires him (three years after he should have fired him).

barrett 11-22-2016 01:02 AM

I never like the 'don't leave it to the refs' logic. I don't mean this as an attack on you at all, I've just never liked it. If a team doesn't deserve to win because they were only slightly better and the refs were able to steal it from them because the difference was so slight, then the other team deserves to win even less since they left it up to the refs to steal it for them.

I understand officials make mistakes. But we should never accept officials blowing things. They should be held accountable just like we hold players and coaches accountable. Officials should lose jobs when they blow calls that cost players and coaches jobs.

But the NFL treats their officials as sacred cows. They build a wall of silence around them that the NBA and MLB don't. No self evaluation, no ownership of mistakes, no accountability, nothing. They prop them up with replay rather than correcting them with it. And in a game of inches, they let refs pick winners.

chuck 11-22-2016 01:07 AM

I fully accept that the refs fked this up today. I also recognize that each and every Raiders touchdown came immediately after a shockingly stupid BOB fkup.

To pin this on the refs is to minimize the outrageous idiocy on the part of the Texans staff, particularly its head coach.

As an aside, I do find it incredible how much worse the NFL refs are now since, well, since those fkwits were locked out. Odd, that.

Arky 11-22-2016 01:09 AM

Things that make you go hmmmm...

The Texans, one of the least penalized teams in the NFL were penalized 7 times for 101 yards.

The Raiders, who recently set a record for penalties in one game, were penalized 4 times for 21 yards....

Hmmm....

barrett: no sweat, we all have our opinions, don't we?...

barrett 11-22-2016 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 44809)
I fully accept that the refs fked this up today. I also recognize that each and every Raiders touchdown came immediately after a shockingly stupid BOB fkup.

To pin this on the refs is to minimize the outrageous idiocy on the part of the Texans staff, particularly its head coach.

As an aside, I do find it incredible how much worse the NFL refs are now since, well, since those fkwits were locked out. Odd, that.

I don't think BOB's stupidity and the refs incompetence are mutually exclusive. I don't think either being true lets the other off the hook.

Arky 11-22-2016 01:18 AM

I really like this comment seen in another forum:

"Bad Reffing does not mix well with bad coaching".

I think that pretty much sums it up......

chuck 11-22-2016 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 44811)
I don't think BOB's stupidity and the refs incompetence are mutually exclusive. I don't think either being true lets the other off the hook.

That's fair. I just don't want people to fixate on the epic officiating incompetence and miss the brutal head coaching idiocy.

Also, there were maybe four BO passes that should have been intercepted. BO is wildly inaccurate.

nunusguy 11-22-2016 09:05 AM

Yea a real tough loss, but there were some positives to take from the game and that's led by the play of the run defense and the running game.
Osweiller was very fortunate to have only one interception because he threw atleast 2 passed directly at DBs, so he's still clearly a work-in-progress and clearly our QB thru 2016.
Many of you folks are upset and repeatedly promise to stop following the team - right, I'll see you back here in a few days for the game in NRG vs the Chargers.
And don't know what to do about the refs since we are only an average team at this point and not good enough to overcome calls like they made last night.


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