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Arky 10-16-2016 10:24 PM

The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.

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Pass to Griffin gets 11.

Pass to Griffin gets 8.

L Miller for 5 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 49.

Pass to Griffin is dropped.

L Miller goes left side for 1 yard. 3rd and 9 coming up.

Timeout Texans.

Pass to Hop gets 10 and the 1st down.

Pass to Hop gets 9 but a flag is down......hands to the face on the Colts is declined.

Pass to Hop goes to the Colt 26, 1st down.

Pass to Hop caught at the 14 yard line, 1st down.

Pass to B Miller gets 3.

Oz's pass to B Miller in the end zone is off the mark, inc. A Colt (Butler) shaken up on the play. 2:47 left in the game.

On 3rd and 7, pass to Miller who does some fancy dancin' for the TD!

Colts 23, Texans 16

2:37 left in the game.

Arky 10-16-2016 10:35 PM

The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the Colt 21. Colt's ball.

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Gore for 2.

On 2nd and 8, flags come out. False start Colts, -5. 2nd and 13 coming up.

Luck is sacked at the 11 yard line by Hal! 3rd and 20 coming up.

Gore gets caught for loss of 2. Colts have to punt. Texans have a shot, here.....

Ervin brings the punt back to the Texan 47. Texan's ball with no timeouts.

Big Texas 10-16-2016 10:37 PM

I know I wasn't the only one thinking that last pass was a pick...lol

Arky 10-16-2016 10:38 PM

1:50 left in the game.

Screen to L Miller goes for 15.

Pass to Fido goes to the 26.

Pass to Fido over the middle goes for the TD!

Texans 23, Colts 23

49 seconds left in the game.

Arky 10-16-2016 10:47 PM

The ensuing kickoff is squibbed.... a lineman picks it up and takes it to the Colt 32. Colt's ball.

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Pass to Rogers goes to midfield. 38 seconds left.

Luck nearly sacked but gains 2 yards. Colts use final timeout.

Pass to Hilton gains about 10 but play is under review.....looks like the ball hit the ground.... 27 seconds left in the game. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Play is overturned.

Pass over the middle sails inc. Colts will punt.

Ervin fair catches at the Texan 15. Texan's ball with 15 seconds left.

Arky 10-16-2016 10:48 PM

Texans kneel it.

We're headed to OT.

Texans 23, Colts 23

Arky 10-16-2016 10:59 PM

Colts win the toss and will receive.

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Colts bring the kickoff back to their 26.

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Pass to Swoope gets 7.

Gore gets 7 and the 1st down at their 40 yard line.

Pass along the sideline goes inc.

Pass over the middle gets 7. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Timeout Colts.

Luck sacked by McKinney! Colts will have to punt.

Flag on the Texans for 12 men. Colts still punting.

Ervin brings the punt back to the Texan 33. Texan's ball. KJ Dillon hurt on the play.

barrett 10-16-2016 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 44539)
We absolutely needed a score there and this moron is making Matt Schaub decisions...

No Fuller and no one can even come close to getting separation.

Where is the superstar Braxton Miller?

That's a pretty weird read on the situation. The High priced QB and the star WR struggle and you peg it on the 3rd round rookie?

Arky 10-16-2016 11:07 PM

11:30 left in OT.

Oz hits Fido for 9.

L Miller goes right side for nice gainer. Ball in Colt territory. 1st down.

L Miller for no gain.

Deep pass to Strong goes for 36! Ball at the Colt 12.

Oz keeps and puts the ball on the right hash. Texans going for the FG and the W.

Novak's 33-yarder is good!

Final Score:

Texans 26, Colts 23

Nconroe 10-16-2016 11:07 PM

Woohoo, 4-2. Oswiler quite a 4th Q.
Excellent catch by Strong as well.

Big Texas 10-16-2016 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 44549)
That's a pretty weird read on the situation. The High priced QB and the star WR struggle and you peg it on the 3rd round rookie?

Not blaming it on Braxton just saying where is anybody?

chuck 10-16-2016 11:10 PM

Hopefully this will be a turning point. Weird to say of a winning team, but we all know that this team has been underachieving. That was a hell of a win.

Clowney is a beast, by the way.

Big Texas 10-16-2016 11:12 PM

Brock had to do something this game because social media was calling for his head...

Early on He was definitely looking like a Matt Schaub clone...but good thing he came through in the clutch...something Shaub wasn't likely to do...

Good win guys...

barrett 10-16-2016 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 44553)
Hopefully this will be a turning point. Weird to say of a winning team, but we all know that this team has been underachieving. That was a hell of a win.

Clowney is a beast, by the way.

Clowney finally is just playing forward. No more worries about gaps and responsibilities. It took him 2 years but he learned the defense, and now he just goes as hard as he can in every direction he goes.

Mercilous meanwhile has turned into a fantastic pass rusher. Edge speed, counter moves, hands, all of it.

Arky 10-16-2016 11:25 PM

Nice win, especially against the Colts. Prime time win. Come from behind win, something this franchise doesn't have a whole lot of....

Oz gets a reprieve.

The Colts suck but man, the Texans were sucking worse in the first 3 qtrs...

As mentioned, hopefully this is a confidence builder for the whole team...

Keith 10-16-2016 11:39 PM

Osweiler has his problems, I'm not blind. Heck, check the last ItB tweet. He played three sucky quarters tonight, and he was trash in Minny against a top quality D.

BUT...

Let's hit the reset on a few hot takezzz here:
- Osweiler ain't cheap, but he is something like the 17th highest paid QB in the league. It's not like the team is paying him a crippling-like salary that, say, the Colts are paying Andrew Luck (per the Indy GM even).
- Yes, Schaub was terrible his last season in Houston, but pre-Haynesworth, he was a pro bowl QB who did alright for himself for many seasons. I still believe the year fat Albert sat on his foot was the team's best chance for a Super Bowl run. Schaub's preceding 16 games to that injury were pretty dang good if someone wants to look that up.

Keith 10-16-2016 11:52 PM

By the way, not enough said about Lamar Miller's TD reception... that was nothing short of amazing. True turning point because I think it's fourth down if he doesn't dance his way through the over-pursuit of the Colts defenders for the score.

Like everyone else beforehand, really thought the INT thrown by Osweiler right after Mercilus got the big 4th down sack was the needle in the balloon. Osweiler needs to get out of his own head maybe.

HPF Bob 10-16-2016 11:58 PM

A win's a win and it was the win they needed - keeps them alone in first in the vaunted AFC South. Flipped the script - usually, it's Luck that catches fire at the end of the game and pulls it out. This time it was Ozzy.

Next up, a Monday nighter in Denver where the Broncos will have a 1-1/2 week rest and a Gary Kubiak reunion to look forward to. Denver has to work out their mess of an OL (sounds familiar, doesn't it?) and shore up the run defense but don't expect Houston to beat them passing the ball. The Texans' best chance is to sic Clowney and Mercilus on the QB all night and hope for some turnovers.

Arky 10-17-2016 02:11 AM

Early numbers rolling in have Denver as a 6.5 pt favorite over the Texans on MNF...

barrett 10-17-2016 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 44557)
Osweiler has his problems, I'm not blind. Heck, check the last ItB tweet. He played three sucky quarters tonight, and he was trash in Minny against a top quality D.

BUT...

Let's hit the reset on a few hot takezzz here:
- Osweiler ain't cheap, but he is something like the 17th highest paid QB in the league. It's not like the team is paying him a crippling-like salary that, say, the Colts are paying Andrew Luck (per the Indy GM even).
- Yes, Schaub was terrible his last season in Houston, but pre-Haynesworth, he was a pro bowl QB who did alright for himself for many seasons. I still believe the year fat Albert sat on his foot was the team's best chance for a Super Bowl run. Schaub's preceding 16 games to that injury were pretty dang good if someone wants to look that up.

The 16 guys ahead of Osweiler in salary all had significantly more than 7 starts. So do the dozen guys behind him. Only rookies don't get paid at QB in the NFL. So starting a rookie is a giant advantage. It's an advantage that is so big it almost makes up for not having an elite QB. I'd say the two best QB situations in the NFL are having a great one that makes $25 million, or having a rookie plus $20 million worth of other players.

We are in the brutal middle. We are paying for a guy to learn the position. It's better than just punting on the position like last year, and I'm glad we made some commitment finally, it was just a stupid allocation of resources from a team building standpoint.

nunusguy 10-17-2016 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 44558)
By the way, not enough said about Lamar Miller's TD reception... that was nothing short of amazing. True turning point because I think it's fourth down if he doesn't dance his way through the over-pursuit of the Colts defenders for the score.

Like everyone else beforehand, really thought the INT thrown by Osweiler right after Mercilus got the big 4th down sack was the needle in the balloon. Osweiler needs to get out of his own head maybe.

Miller's TD scamper reminded me of vintage Reggie Bush in college at USC.
Now even if mixed attitudes remain about Osweiler, I got nothing but
positive thoughts about Miller. I thought he was just going to be a scatback but instead he's a real workhorse who can play an entire game plus and take it off or inside tackle. He was tremendous last night.
Don't know why Osweiler is starting so slowly but those were big time throws late in the game, including OT. It's encouraging so no telling what we get next week in Denver but it should be interesting.
Oh by the way, the defense was stellar, tremendous game for them against Luck.

Nconroe 10-17-2016 10:05 AM

On QB salary, we only committed to two years for Osweiler, so not a long term issue if he doesn't develop consistency.

Also Texans are not in salary cap hell, so they can maneuver for other players, and did.

So, Texans record , maybe good luck, but so far , so good. The comeback yesterday was quite amazing, glad I got to watch that.

barrett 10-17-2016 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nconroe (Post 44564)
On QB salary, we only committed to two years for Osweiler, so not a long term issue if he doesn't develop consistency.

Also Texans are not in salary cap hell, so they can maneuver for other players, and did.

So, Texans record , maybe good luck, but so far , so good. The comeback yesterday was quite amazing, glad I got to watch that.

If we get out in two years it will be with a new coach, no QB, and little of JJ's prime left, so I won't care how much money we save in cutting our QB in that scenario.

Keith 10-17-2016 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 44561)
So starting a rookie is a giant advantage. It's an advantage that is so big it almost makes up for not having an elite QB.

Starting a rookie is an advantage? Do you mean beyond financially? The Texans could have traded up for Goff, they could have taken Bortles over Clowney, they could have not signed Osweiler and settled for Paxton Lynch.... any of these scenarios put the Texans at 4-2 and in the driver seat for the playoffs this year? In O'Brien's third season?

I recall your distaste for Bortles and know you did not like the signing of Osweiler even back in March... all defensible opinions that are standing the test of time. And I agree the team is in the brutal middle, so I know you must understand the 2016 Texans were caught in a tough spot with very limited viable options... as much as I liked Wentz pre-draft, it was a pretty unrealistic scenario to think they could trade all the way up to get him (or Goff) since it takes two to tango.

So what was your ideal plan for the team to take?

Arky 10-17-2016 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 44506)
As for the Colts, we have to be able to shut down Luck's top weapon, T.Y. Hilton. Do that and I feel good. But doing that is also easier said than done......

This got overlooked somewhat. Hilton was held to 3 catches on 9 targets and 49 yards. Someone (KJo? Bouye? both?) did a fine job. (BTW, KJo really ought to tone down the hot doggy celebrations on routine plays - c'mon man, act like you've been there)...

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The emergence of Fido.

Ya know, I didn't like this pick when we got him in the 2014 draft. I'd never heard of him so at the time, I went to Youtube and looked at some of his highlights at Iowa. I saw a slow, lumbering guy and thought, well, perhaps the scouting dept sees something I don't - afterall, they're the experts, not I. Lately, he's been showing hands I didn't know he had and emerged as sort of a Gronk-lite. He's still just 24 and so maybe there's hope he can be known for something other than off-sides and holding...

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Denver looks vulnerable, lately. Like the Viking game, the Texan will be about a touchdown underdog. I'm thinking they can do better this time around..... Wouldn't it be nice to be hosting the Lions with a 5-2 mark?

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Unfortunately, my recording of the game stopped on the final drive. There were a couple of players who were hopping around Oz while he was being interviewed by Michelle Tafoya post-game. One was Hopkins - did anyone catch who the other player was? He kinda did a vault off Oz's shoulder pads...

Arky 10-17-2016 11:42 AM

And now the radio is reporting K Johnson has a broken foot and may be lost for the season.......:rolleyes:

chuck 10-17-2016 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arky (Post 44568)
And now the radio is reporting K Johnson has a broken foot and may be lost for the season.......:rolleyes:

And Dillon with a torn ACL. Losing Johnson is YUGE, folks, with Jackson gimpy and JJo sucking.

barrett 10-17-2016 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 44566)
Starting a rookie is an advantage? Do you mean beyond financially? The Texans could have traded up for Goff, they could have taken Bortles over Clowney, they could have not signed Osweiler and settled for Paxton Lynch.... any of these scenarios put the Texans at 4-2 and in the driver seat for the playoffs this year? In O'Brien's third season?

I recall your distaste for Bortles and know you did not like the signing of Osweiler even back in March... all defensible opinions that are standing the test of time. And I agree the team is in the brutal middle, so I know you must understand the 2016 Texans were caught in a tough spot with very limited viable options... as much as I liked Wentz pre-draft, it was a pretty unrealistic scenario to think they could trade all the way up to get him (or Goff) since it takes two to tango.

So what was your ideal plan for the team to take?

I am not as down on the Osweiler signing as I'm making it sound. It was better than another year of purgatory, and at least this way, we have a chance at it really working out. Of all the FA options, I like Osweiler the best since he at least has an unknown ceiling and some flashes that say that ceiling might be very high.

I just think the current CBA gives a very unique financial (and thus competitive) advantage to any team that can find average QB play from a guy on a rookie contract. There is admittedly a lot of uncertainty in starting a rookie QB, and that is why the best option by far is to pay a proven veteran, even if he is in the Andy Dalton tier. But since everyone knows that, the only time a proven veteran hits the open market is when their are amazing circumstances (like a broken neck and a once in a lifetime prospect landing Manning in FA).

But we opted for the uncertainty of the unproven QB without the financial advantage to offset it. So we don't get either advantage. We pay full price for rookie level inconsistency.

As for what we should have done, you don't have to go Bortles over Clowney. You can just go Carr over Sua' Fio if you aren't afraid of your fan base. Or Garropolo. Or Prescott. Or take one every year until you get it right since the cost is so low in terms of picks and only hind sight tells you which one. If O'Brien can't find a guy in 3 drafts, he's not much of a coach.

My point is if you aren't going to be great at QB the next best option is to be cheap.

And to answer your question about what other option gets us to 4-2, Hoyer/Mallett/Weeden/Yates got us to the playoffs, so I am pretty sure some replacement level NFL QB could have managed to beat the 4 bad/mediocre teams we played and lose ugly to the two good ones. It's not like any of the four wins have come down to great QB play.

barrett 10-17-2016 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arky (Post 44567)
The emergence of Fido.

Ya know, I didn't like this pick when we got him in the 2014 draft. I'd never heard of him so at the time, I went to Youtube and looked at some of his highlights at Iowa. I saw a slow, lumbering guy and thought, well, perhaps the scouting dept sees something I don't - afterall, they're the experts, not I. Lately, he's been showing hands I didn't know he had and emerged as sort of a Gronk-lite. He's still just 24 and so maybe there's hope he can be known for something other than off-sides and holding...

He blocks really well, and he's finding his way in the passing game. He reminds me of Owen Daniels in that he appears to be the exact speed as an NFL LB. He doesn't run away from them but he doesn't get caught either. I also appreciate how he covers the ball with two hands after he gets what he can. It shows he knows who he is as a player. When you do lots of things OK and nothing bad, you can be a pretty valuable player.

chuck 10-17-2016 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 44571)
He blocks really well, and he's finding his way in the passing game. He reminds me of Owen Daniels in that he appears to be the exact speed as an NFL LB. He doesn't run away from them but he doesn't get caught either. I also appreciate how he covers the ball with two hands after he gets what he can. It shows he knows who he is as a player. When you do lots of things OK and nothing bad, you can be a pretty valuable player.

I'm still trying to figure out, that second guy on the scene for the final touchdown, the guy that literally ran right past Fido, what the hell was he doing?

I think there are a lot of quarterbacks that the Texans could have employed and found themselves at 4-2 right now.

nunusguy 10-18-2016 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 44571)
He blocks really well, and he's finding his way in the passing game. He reminds me of Owen Daniels in that he appears to be the exact speed as an NFL LB. He doesn't run away from them but he doesn't get caught either. I also appreciate how he covers the ball with two hands after he gets what he can. It shows he knows who he is as a player. When you do lots of things OK and nothing bad, you can be a pretty valuable player.

Criticism about the 2014 Draft is now receding with Fido playing well along with Clowney and the X-man also playing much performing better and contributing.
Actually the three O'Brien/Smith drafts are now proving to be productive and looking successful with 2014 third rounder Louis Nix being the only bona fide bust.

Arky 10-18-2016 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 44572)
I'm still trying to figure out, that second guy on the scene for the final touchdown, the guy that literally ran right past Fido, what the hell was he doing?

I rewatched that and I think he just whiffed. He ran in head down probably expecting a collision and totally missed everything...

painekiller 10-18-2016 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arky (Post 44574)
I rewatched that and I think he just whiffed. He ran in head down probably expecting a collision and totally missed everything...

Looked to me that the player was trying to put his helmet on the ball. And like Arky said, he just wiffed. By a fraction of an inch. Had he hit the ball no way could Fido have held on to it.


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