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Arky 10-20-2014 09:25 PM

Pass to Hopkins gets 20.

Foster for 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.

Foster for 2. 3rd and 1 coming up.

Ugh, Foster slips down short of the 1st down. Texans to punt.

Blue takes the punt snap and runs it for a 1st down at the Texan 44!

Pass to Hopkins gets 10.

Pass to Hopkins gets 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Flags presnap...... False start Fido, -5. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Fitz scrambles for about 4 or 5. 3rd and 6 coming up.

Pass to Graham is dropped/broken up. Texans to punt.

Lechler's punt is downed by the Texans at the Steeler 1 yard line. Steeler's ball.

Arky 10-20-2014 09:39 PM

Where's AJ?

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Quick pass to Brown gets 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Steeler's false start, half the distance.... Makes it 2nd and 9 coming up.

Deep pass nicely played by JJo, inc. Brings up 3rd and 9.

Pass to Heward-Bey goes to the 19 yard line, 1st down.

Blount for almost 6. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Quick pass to Brown gets 5 and the 1st down at the Steeler 30.

Blount for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Mercilus with the TFL, -2. 3rd and 10 coming up. 31 seconds left in the 3rd qtr. A Steeler injured on the play, injury timeout.

The clock starts again so......

End of the 3rd quarter.

chuck 10-20-2014 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arky (Post 39222)
Where's AJ?

What are you talking about? He's being covered like a blanket by the legendary Brice McCain.

Arky 10-20-2014 09:46 PM

On 3rd and 10, pass to Moore gets 9. Some question on whether Moore fumbled....play is being reviewed.....

Moore is ruled down at the 39 yard line. Brings up 4th and 1 and the Steelers will punt.

Punt is downed by the Steelers at around the Texan 26 yard line. Texan's ball.

Arky 10-20-2014 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 39223)
What are you talking about? He's being covered like a blanket by the legendary Brice McCain.

Eheh, would that be the famous McCain Island?

Arky 10-20-2014 09:50 PM

Pass to AJ goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Pass to AJ inc but PI on the Steelers. 1st down Texans at their 37.

Pass to AJ good for 24. There's AJ!

Foster for 3.

Pass to Hopkins over the middle is inc. Brings up 3rd and 7.

Pass to AJ goes to the Steeler 15. 1st down.

Foster for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Pass in the end zone to AJ off the mark, inc. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Oh..... Short fast ball pass to D Johnson is dropped, inc. Texans to go for the FG.

Bullock's 31-yarder is good.

Steelers 24, Texans 16

11:47 left in the game.

Big Texas 10-20-2014 09:54 PM

We're gonna lose this game because we don't have anybody but JJ Watt that can make a play when you need one...bad throw to a wide open AJ...and then the drop for close to a first...

Arky 10-20-2014 10:05 PM

The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the Steeler 18. Steeler's ball.

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Bell gets 6 up the gut.

Ben's pass off the mark, inc. Brings up 3rd and 4.

Flags presnap..... 12 men on the field on the Texans gives the Steelers a 1st down.

Bell breaks loose for 20. Ball near midfield.

Blount for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Blount TFL'ed for a loss of 3. 3rd and 10 coming up. 8:50 left in the game.

Pass to Miller goes for about 8 but flags are down.....holding on the Texans.....5 yards and an auto 1st down.

Deep pass to Brown goes for 30 but the play is being reviewed to see if the receiver had possession the whole time....

Play stands as a completed pass. Ball at the Texan 16 yard line.

Pass to Brown in the end zone is complete for the TD. Play is being reviewed to see if the receiver got both feet in bounds.....

Play is overturned, incomplete pass. Brings up 2nd and 10 at the Texan 16.

Ben is pressured, pitches to Bell and the Texans close in for a loss of 6. 3rd and 16 coming up.

Pass to Brown goes for 15..... short of the 1st down. Steelers will go for the FG.

Suisham's 30-yarder is good.

Steelers 27, Texans 16

5:50 left in the game.

popanot 10-20-2014 10:12 PM

It's FITZ TIME!! I can feel it!!!

chuck 10-20-2014 10:16 PM

It is absolutely amazing how terrible the Texans are in every way. The Giants are a bad team, the Steelers are a bad team. The Texans are just a joke. Year after year after year.

Arky 10-20-2014 10:16 PM

Manning brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan 14 yard line. Texan's ball.

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Screen to AJ gets 6.

Pass to Hopkins goes for big gainer but Hopkins fumbles it away..... Polamalu picks it up and returns it the Texan 40 yard line. Steeler's ball.

Big Texas 10-20-2014 10:21 PM

A lot of good players but ABSOLUTELY NO playmakers...you can't blame this on O'Brien...I hope there are some massive changes next year...

Arky 10-20-2014 10:22 PM

Ball at the Texan 39.

Bell for 6.

Quick pass to Brown gets 5 and the 1st down. 4:42 left in the game. Texans use their last timeout.

Bell goes left for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.

Ben throws into the end zone but out of bounds, inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.

Pass goes for about 5. Steelers to go for the FG. 3:09 left in the game.

Suisham's 40-yarder is good.

Steelers 30, Texans 16

3:04 left in the game.

Arky 10-20-2014 10:27 PM

Manning brings the kickoff back and stops running at about the Texan 14. Texan's ball.

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Fitz scrambles for 6.

Pass to AJ good for a nice gainer. Tack on 15 for roughing the passer places the ball at the Steeler 43.

Pass to Foster gets 8.

Pass to Graham goes to the Steeler 17. 1st down.

2 minute warning.

Nconroe 10-20-2014 10:28 PM

Is it now time to see the other QB's on the roster? or wait till after the bye.

Seems to me the team kinda gave up today at some point, or lost intensity.

popanot 10-20-2014 10:29 PM

Take 'em in for a score FITZY!!

chuck 10-20-2014 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 39232)
A lot of good players but ABSOLUTELY NO playmakers...you can't blame this on O'Brien...I hope there are some massive changes next year...

Clowney won't play or can't play, not sure which is true at this point. Either way, as I've said many times, he's a waste.

O'Brien let Fitz throw with a minute left in the half from his own five so I'm afraid I can't let him off without blame. Plus, he's the head coach and there were some horrific penalties. Also, if it's to be believed that Rick Smith takes a back seat in the drafts then you have to blame O'Brien for this disaster of a draft.

What changes do you want to see next year? A new owner?

Arky 10-20-2014 10:32 PM

Pass to AJ at the sideline/endzone is broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Pass to Hopkins goes to the 1 yard line.

Polamalu just a bit offsides.... 1/2 the distance.. 1:35 left in the game.

Pass to Foster gets the TD.

Steelers 30, Texans 23

1:31 left in the game.

Big Texas 10-20-2014 10:32 PM

Who should absolutely be gone next year:
Keyshawn Martin
Devier Posey
Kareem Jackson
Derek Newton
Danielle Manning
Garrett graham
Brooks reed

Strong consideration:
Fitz
Chris Meyers
Mike Mohammed
Justin tuggle


This is not including the obvious 3rd teamers.

Arky 10-20-2014 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 39236)
take 'em in for a score fitzy!!

lol!

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Arky 10-20-2014 10:35 PM

Texans will try the onsides kick...

Tomlin uses a timeout right when the kick is attempted....

Dang.... they shoulda had it.... Steelers recover.....

Steelers kneeling it out.

Final Score:

Steelers 30, Texans 23

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Turnovers: Texans 3, Steelers 1

Nconroe 10-20-2014 10:35 PM

Nice onsides kick attempt, exciting, but no cigars.

Just lost turnovers at bad time at end of first half was main issue.

Big Texas 10-20-2014 10:36 PM

Several opportunities for someone to make a PLAY...but no one steps up...

popanot 10-20-2014 10:38 PM

Just trade AJ. If you're going to piss around with Fitzpatrick as your QB, show the man some respect and trade him to an organization that gives a shite.

barrett 10-20-2014 10:40 PM

For the Steelers if Heyward-Bey is on your hands team you need to fire your special teams coach. That guy has never caught anything.

For Houston, I don't know how you give up 24 points in 3 minutes. The turnovers and especially the fumble issues are bad. We are not very good offensively and we aren't going to overcome that.

At least Mercilous was able to build off of last week. I hope he stays on the field when Clowney is back.

Also, it is really sad watching Cushing be half the player he was. He so clearly loved football in the past and played with so much emotion, but now there is none of that.

popanot 10-20-2014 10:52 PM

It's sad wTching Cushing. He has no wheels left. I just hope it's one of those 2-years to recover things, but it's not looking good. Not looking good for our cap either.

Arky 10-20-2014 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 39246)
It's sad wTching Cushing. He has no wheels left. I just hope it's one of those 2-years to recover things, but it's not looking good. Not looking good for our cap either.

Ya, it reminds me of that year DeMeco was "recovering". He was an unproductive slug that year but no one was going to get him (DeMeco) out of the line-up. He insisted on playing and no one was going to tell him different. I hated that. Being a leader only goes so far - you gotta produce.....

Nconroe 10-20-2014 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 39246)
It's sad wTching Cushing. He has no wheels left. I just hope it's one of those 2-years to recover things, but it's not looking good. Not looking good for our cap either.

I think Texans will be fine on the cap next year, most likely, even keeping Cushing. Quite a few already coming off the books next year plus cap is going up now.

Cushing - I hope makes it back but he certainly doesn't have the body control and strength we are used to seeing for now.

AJ obviously loves the Texans, but if he wants to find a competitive team and good trade for Texans let him do it.

chuck 10-20-2014 11:42 PM

Rick Smith or whoever was in charge took Cushing over Clay Matthews. Once again, they were picking a position of need (when you have so many needs annually you can do this pretty much every year...) and once again they made the wrong choice.

Nconroe 10-21-2014 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 39249)
Rick Smith or whoever was in charge took Cushing over Clay Matthews. Once again, they were picking a position of need (when you have so many needs annually you can do this pretty much every year...) and once again they made the wrong choice.

Both guys have been injured at various times, and both are impact players at various times.

Productivity this week likely not related to draft position several years ago.

Might be interesting how LBs line up once Clowney comes back.

barrett 10-21-2014 12:41 AM

Did Cushing have injury red flags coming out? I honestly have no idea. If he did then it's on Smith.

If he didn't then I won't blame Smith for picking an amazing player who was destroyed by the harsh reality of injuries in NFL football. When Cushing was healthy in 2011-2013 he flew around the field and changed everything about how both teams played. Everyone had to be aware of him. One of my favorite Texans to watch when he was right. That's what makes it so sad to see him out there as a shell of himself with none of the fire he used to have. He obviously knows how limited he is and does not have much fun being mediocre.

HPF Bob 10-21-2014 12:52 AM

Same old Oilers.

Can't blame it on Bud Adams. Can't blame it on some Indian curse supposedly haunting the Astrodome. Can't blame it on Capers or Kubiak.

But dang does this city never get tired of producing teams that lose in exceptionally gut-jerking ways. I was really hoping this franchise would be different than the rest of them but they have become just as adept at losing in unexpected ways as the old Astros and Rockets did (unlike the new Astros who just lose and then tell everyome how smart they are).

Keith 10-21-2014 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 39251)
Did Cushing have injury red flags coming out? I honestly have no idea. If he did then it's on Smith.

Iirc, he was basically healthy enough to play his final season at USC, but prior to that, he had various knee and ankle problems, not to mention the myriad of steroid rumors.

Cushing's speed is gonzo. As I've said in earlier game threads this season, it is really sad seeing this version of him on the field. The comparison to DeMeco's decline is a good one, though DeMeco had nowhere near the ceiling Cushing had pre-injury.

As for the game... obviously, the meltdown in the final 2 mins before halftime cost the game. Bad teams do that. Good teams do not. And this wasn't the first time this team has had a meltdown. Time for BOB to adjust. I figure he will, but he will be hamstrung until this team has a real franchise QB.

- Daniel Manning... WTH is he still returning kicks in the 2nd half?? So much for accountability.
- Following that 4th Q fumble, DeAndre Hopkins isn't going to shed that tag he started earning after failing to go after that loose ball at the end of the Colts game.
- Arian Foster had a bad fumble, which I can excuse since it is pretty rare despite how cavalier he carries the football in space sometimes. His vision is unique. There is and has been a serious dropoff in talent when someone else is toting the rock in his place.
- TE play is really sub-par in the passing game, which is a little surprising. Maybe these are still TE types for the Kubiak system and Fido is just a rook. Something to address in the offseason even if Fido improves.
- Not sure if it's D.J. or Cush or what, but there is some leadership missing in the middle of that defense. It's still a pretty solid D mind you - there's like 17 points in this game that are basically the fault of the offense - but there's some miscommunication going on back there.
- Icing the kicker before a FG may be a good idea, but giving him a second shot at an onsides kick is dumb. And the Steelers' decision to throw the ball on 2nd (and really 3rd) down late in this game was even dumber.

nunusguy 10-21-2014 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 39244)
Just trade AJ. If you're going to piss around with Fitzpatrick as your QB, show the man some respect and trade him to an organization that gives a shite.

I hear the Seahawks might be looking for a WR, could we get their 2015 3rd round pick for him ? Doubt they'd take on that contract, and besides AJ is hardly the type of receiver that stretches the field the way Harvin does and he did 4 or 5 years ago. AJ is much more like a Boldin these days.
Games like last night night should accelerate O'briens decision to put Mallet on the field, as the ESPN crew said O'Brien plans to get him out there with a little more grooming.

nunusguy 10-21-2014 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 39230)
It is absolutely amazing how terrible the Texans are in every way. The Giants are a bad team, the Steelers are a bad team. The Texans are just a joke. Year after year after year.

But you are still hanging in there, suffering with the rest of us, right Chuck ?

barrett 10-21-2014 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 39254)
I hear the Seahawks might be looking for a WR, could we get their 2015 3rd round pick for him ? Doubt they'd take on that contract, and besides AJ is hardly the type of receiver that stretches the field the way Harvin does and he did 4 or 5 years ago. AJ is much more like a Boldin these days.
Games like last night night should accelerate O'briens decision to put Mallet on the field, as the ESPN crew said O'Brien plans to get him out there with a little more grooming.

Harvin is the least field stretching WR in the NFL. He does not even run deep routes. He has 22 catches for 130 yards (a bad YPC for a RB). He is incredibly fast, but they deploy that speed to horizontally stretch the defense. I cannot recall seeing him actually go deep, and he really didn't for Minnesota either.

But AJ does not fit what Seattle does. They don't like to traditional drop back pass. AJ needs to be with a QB that takes his drop and puts the ball where AJ will catch it. Not a guy who throws screens, read option hot routes, wheel routes, and scramble drill balls.

popanot 10-21-2014 09:20 AM

Send AJ to Indy, I don't care. Send him to PHL, KC, CAR, CLE, PIT, BAL, NE...anywhere that still has a chance. I don't even care what round pick they get in return. Give him up for the stupid pick they gave away to NE for Mallett. What a useless trade that was. Send him to BAL for Arthur Brown. Ravens aren't using him and lord knows he can't be any worse than our current MLBs. AJ deserves better than this BS.

WMH 10-21-2014 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 39257)
AJ deserves better than this BS.

Interesting comment.

Why?

popanot 10-21-2014 09:57 AM

I know I've been on Fitz (a lot), but let me just say, I don't blame that loss on him. That was a total team collapse. But one of the things that bothers me is it takes a monster game from JJ, a monster game from Foster, a monster game from anyone else, and basically a zero turnover game to overcome Fitz's limitations. Whether his limitations are talent-based, coaching induced or both, I don't know. We've had 2 or 3 games now where they've gotten a monster game from JJ or Foster or both and they've still lost. But I think the thing that bothers me most with this whole situation and with Fitz et.al, is that the franchise is choosing to stay in Neutral.

They are not choosing to win (since they aren't), they're not trying to lose (obviously), and they are not evaluating talent. Neutral and neutered. I know this post will likely get picked apart, but I'm frustrated by being stuck in Neutral. It's basically a season lost, IMO, and the Texans are choosing it to be this way. I didn't (and don't) expect a bunch of W's and I don't want a bunch of L's, but I'd rather see L's with a young QB/WR/RB/OL/you-name-it being evaluated rather than L's or limbo with players you know have no future with this franchise.

popanot 10-21-2014 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMH (Post 39258)
Interesting comment.

Why?

Because he's put his time into this mess of a franchise. Sure he's gotten paid well, but IMO, he deserves better and they should look at moving him out of respect. Look at it like SF trading Montana. Yes, SF had Young, and there were various reasons behind it, but they moved Montana mostly out of respect.

As for what to do with AJ's WR position, put in Posey and see what you have. Not that any QB on the roster could get him the ball consistently...


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