Foster for 6. 2nd and 4 coming up.

Foster gets 5 and the 1st down. 1st and goal at the 1.

Foster for the TD!

Panthers 21, Texans 13

13:48 left in the game.

Panthers down the ensuing kickoff in their endzone. Panthers ball at the 20.

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Wow, looks like the Colts might beat the Titans. 20-6 with 8 minutes left.

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Williams for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Newton scrambles for 13 on a keeper, 1st down.

Williams for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Williams for 1. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Pass to Naanee is complete for 9 and the 1st down at midfield.

Throwback pass to Shockey gets 25.

Williams goes right up the gut for the TD. 24 yards.

Panthers 28, Texans 13

9:54 left in the game.

Watch the replay of that TD and tell me where demeco is going and what he sees.

Nice return by Demps on the kickoff - brings it back to the Texan 44.

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Pass to JJ good for big gain. 22 yards.

Dump to Foster goes to the 10 yard line. 1st and goal at the 10.

Foster for 3. 2nd and goal at the 7.

Yates pressured, scrambles out of bounds, loss of 2.

Yates tosses it to a Panther in the endzone. INT. Panthers ball at the Texan 3.

Williams (?) for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Stewart for 2. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Newton keeps for 8 and the 1st down.

Stewart for 2 or 3. Timeout Texans. 5:12 left in the game.

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Pass to Smith goes for big gain, 22 yards. Timeout Texans, last one.

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Stewart for 11.

Stewart for no gain.

Williams sweeps left for 8. 3rd and 2 coming up.

Newton for 3 and the 1st down.

Williams for 3.

2 minute warning.

Too bad, looks like we are down to a learning experience.

Ugly effort today. 3 turnovers, bad hold/fg miss, tons of penalties, bad tackling, and head scratching play calling in the redzone all day. A team effort in giving this one away.

Williams for 3. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Williams for 5 or 6 and the 1st down.

Panthers kneeling it out.

Final score:

Panthers 28, Texans 13

Glad we got the let-down game out of the way.... :rolleyes:

They needed to get humbled before the playoffs

Somewhere in Vegas there is some poor slob who bet the Christmas bonus on the Colts, Chiefs and Panthers and is celebrating like crazy.

There's also some poor slob who bet the Christmas bonus on the Packers, Texans and Titans (what could possibly go wrong?) and is now trying to figure out how to lie to his wife.

This week also makes you wonder if somebody from the players union says "okay, this is the week we make our money..."

Yep, might be the best thing to happen but I didn't like seeing TJ moving backwards...

I don't think it's ever a good thing to lose. And there isn't any logic that says there is. Only excuses say losing is good. We stunk today. We need to be better next week.

Yates really looked like a rookie today, the whole team came out flat, and then we have 3 turnovers and they have none so we give ourselves no chance to win this game. NP because everybody has a bad day, even the Packers.
And it's also games like this one when one realizes just how ineffective our offense is without our starting QB and Andre.

Getting humbled can be turned into a good thing. It could and should force the team to get their heads out of their butts and refocus and take care of business the next two games. Unfortunate that it took a loss to get there....

To get where? If we win today it's a 8 game winning streak and our heads were never in our butts. How is it better to lose to possibly get back to where we would already be if we had won?

Winning games is good and losing them is bad. Very simple.

barrett, I hate to break it to you but 16-0 doesn't happen all that much. One can learn from losing just as much as they can from winning. It's a young team that hasn't been here before. They're not a well-oiled winning machine with no flaws...Things that force you to get better and being the best you can be are progress. If you can't wrap your mind around that, then I have nothing further to say.

I don't like it when they lose either but ultimately, I have no control over it..

I didn't say we need to go 16-0. I also didn't say you can't learn from a loss. I said we stunk and we need to play better next week.

Winning is always better than losing. It's not rocket science and trying to pretend a loss is good after the fact is foolish. I sure didn't hear you before noon saying, "boy we need to lose this one as a learning experience."

This is the first game where I felt that the offense was seriously compromised by not having Andre.

Winning is always good; losing is always bad. But I could very definitely envision a scenario where a very poor game like this followed very quickly by a shot at redemption might ultimately give this team a chance to profit.

John McClain, someone I never expect to go to Oslo to receive a Nobel Prize, said something thought provoking after the game. He said that he thought that a young team (the Texans) benefited from playing the first week of the playoffs whereas an older team definitely benefits from a week off. Having home field the second week of the playoffs is very valuable obviously, but I can see his point.

The bye gets you a step closer to the superbowl, but a 1st round game us probably our best chance at a win. Not sure how likely the superbowl is so I would not be heartbroken by a shot at the jets or bengals instead of the steelers/ravens/patriots in round 2.

And I never said losing was a good thing. That was your interpretation.

Barry Warner just called this a "good loss" on the radio. Say what you will about Warner but I know where he's coming from ...

I feel like this team is not currently good enough to beat the Ravens, Steelers or the Patriots so I'm hoping that putting sixty minutes on tape that demonstrates exactly why they're not and then giving them what amounts to an immediate opportunity to go out and correct the many mistakes they'll see will end up being a benefit.

Maybe this ugly loss will snap them out of their reverie. If what we saw today is really, ultimately who they are then we'll experience a loss in week one against the Jets or whoever and reconvene next year.

All that said, Cam Newton is no joke. I'll take playing against Luck for the next decade rather than trying to play that guy.

When you said it was the best thing that could happen I just jumped to conclusions.

Ya, I said "might be the best thing" meaning, if they learn from it and get better, then it's good for everyone.

But it's never the best thing to lose. It might be a learning experience, but nothing says a team can't learn after a win. The whole goal is to win and if you learn so you can win later, all you've done is taken the long route to where you already would have been, winning.

I hope we come back better and more focused but I am
Not going to spin it like its good we played like crap today.

Yes, they did play like crap today. But, again, who is spinning it that playing like crap is a good thing? Play like crap and you lose.

And the crap play today gives the coaches a chance to light a backside fire that COULD help in the playoffs. Bet this takes a little starch out of their shirts and they play better Thursday.

Well, the chicken salad/applesauce outlook is that, right now, I'd rather have a crappy loss than a win with another major injury.

Wait, what? There's a second read??

Signed,
David Carr

Jeremy Shockey questions the Texans' patriotism...
http://www.chron.com/sports/article/...te-2410816.php

Shockey talking about showing respect is awesome.

TJ was bound to have a game like this. I don't think anyone should be shocked by it. Hell, even Schaub was prone to have a WTF moment or 2 each game. What's shocking to me is our D did nothing when it absolutely had to to stop the Panthers when they knew exactly what was coming. In addition, our RBs have got to stop giving up costly fumbles at the most inopportune times.

The only 'good' thing you can hope for out of this game is TJ continuing to learn and Foster/Tate being reminded to hold on to the damn ball. Nothing good came out of it defensively. These guys were embarrassed by the Panthers trick plays and misdirection and basically got manhandled with the exception of the 3rd Qtr. If anything, it shows that the interim DC might be in over his head and they need Wade back ASAP.

They were just trying not to make Houston's sizable illegal alien population feel less uncomfortable. We know how playing our anthem and saluting our flag upsets some of them.

You might be right because the way things are going it may soon be politically incorrect to demonstrate patriotic sentiments when the national anthem is played, unless of course it's the Mexican national anthem.

I'm wondering if T.J. is hurt more than the team is telling. He was listed as probable for the game with a right elbow injury. Not sure what the injury is, but, to me, the entire game plan looked like a team trying to cover up a QB who's arm isn't right. Very run heavy with virtually no strikes downfield.

You might be on to something because we saw him throw the ball downfield not just to Andre but to Jacoby. The long-ball to Jacoby was the first play of the Cinci game which he dropped. And I know Andre was quoted as saying that TJ actually had a preference for throwing the deep ball.

Might be that he just has a sore arm from the increased reps he's seeing in practice and in games. I didn't notice any less zip on the ball. As for the run, Carolina came into the game with one of the worst run defenses in the league, so I don't find it too shocking that they went with a heavy dose of Foster and Tate. The run was working for the most part. Wish they would've used the run more in the redzone.

Hell, it wasn't any big mystery, Carolina's gameplan was to shut down the run on 1st & second down, and then drop the LB'ers way back in zone on 3rd down, so they could trap T.J. Terrible into throwing into coverage. And he obliged them bigtime! What pissed me off was that Kubiak should have known this was going to happen, and do his own gameplanning accordingly. Kubiak says it wasn't a trap game, but you can make your own conclusions. :mad:

You realize we had 358 yds offense to 318 for Carolina. About 150 yds on ground, but due to turovers giving up field position we were playing from behind.

Then 3rd down conversions weren't happening to stop our scoring chances

Seven wins in a row is a pretty good accomplishment.

I might be wrong but I think we had like 36 passes to 25 runs so we didn't really have two runs for one pass.

Another part of problem was penalties making it long distance on third down including that one weird play where Walters got knocked out of bounds then caught the ball for first down on 10 that got brought back for a 5 yard penalty on about 45.

Then while it was a bad day for TJ perhaps, we are 3 wins out of 4 games without Schaub. I guess Chicago and Colts would love that with their backup QB.

????? WTF ???



Did I miss something, When did this become a Biggot Forum??

How in the Hell is it the Mexicans fault that some Texans' Players didn't salute during the National Anthem again??

Turn down your FAUX NEWS,

Explain that Again for me........

Because I'm sure plenty of us are listening now.

Meh, they're just being snarky.... No hate....