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NBT 02-18-2009 12:47 PM

There you go again Rp. I never said Kruger would be a first round pick, I just said I wonder how he will do in the Combine. After that, he very well could be a first.

Roy P 02-18-2009 09:14 PM

Well, that's ok. Just making an observation.

Roy P 02-20-2009 08:32 PM

I noticed that Mike Mayock posted his top 20 going into the Combine. Ayers is #12 and Maybin is #15.

nunusguy 02-21-2009 07:17 AM

I recorded the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, BCS Bowl, etc. on my U-Verse but regret didn't the Sugar Bowl so I can't go back and watch Kruger play. But I dunno if he had much of a game anyway as his team got something like 7 sacks vs 'Bama but he struck out in that category.
Does he have that burst off the edge ? If not he's just another version of Weaver IMO, and that's not what we need.

TexanJedi 02-21-2009 10:26 AM

Ayers is listed at 270 and seems to be much more of a true 4-3 end, unlike Orakpo, Brown or Maybin. According to "the general" :rolleyes:, the Texans want a big defensive end opposite Mario who will not be a liability against the run. Ayers, Kruger, Johnson, and maybe Tyson Jackson could fit. I would be concerned that Jackson is just a younger Weaver with better size though.

painekiller 02-21-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TexanJedi (Post 8314)
Ayers is listed at 270 and seems to be much more of a true 4-3 end, unlike Orakpo, Brown or Maybin. According to "the general" :rolleyes:, the Texans want a big defensive end opposite Mario who will not be a liability against the run. Ayers, Kruger, Johnson, and maybe Tyson Jackson could fit. I would be concerned that Jackson is just a younger Weaver with better size though.

And if you listen to Kubiak answer questions at the combine, on the official site, you will hear McClain trying to confirm his reports that Mario is a RDE. Well Kubiak and Smith both said Mario can play either side, so they are not limited. So again McClain doesn't have a clue.

In fact Smith talks about how good a class of OLBs who can play RDE it is.

John is trying to act like a draft expert now and I am sorry but we have a group of guys here with a much better grasp on the draft then he has.

mussop 02-21-2009 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 8315)
And if you listen to Kubiak answer questions at the combine, on the official site, you will hear McClain trying to confirm his reports that Mario is a RDE. Well Kubiak and Smith both said Mario can play either side, so they are not limited. So again McClain doesn't have a clue.

In fact Smith talks about how good a class of OLBs who can play RDE it is.

John is trying to act like a draft expert now and I am sorry but we have a group of guys here with a much better grasp on the draft then he has.

I have to agree with McClain on this one. In Kubiacks tenure when have we gone after a smaller faster DE? We have Weaver 270, Cachran 287 and Bullman 275 who have taken the majority of the snaps. I jsut dont think philosophically a small DE that isnt really good in run support is in our plans. Remember for all the talk about improving our pass rush we havent exactly been good at shutting down the run. And adding one of these pass rush specialist everyone seems to want isnt going to help us get better in that department.

jppaul 02-21-2009 03:59 PM

I could be wrong but isn't Nading smaller, and Kalu wasn't he in the 250s

painekiller 02-21-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 8324)
I have to agree with McClain on this one. In Kubiacks tenure when have we gone after a smaller faster DE? We have Weaver 270, Cachran 287 and Bullman 275 who have taken the majority of the snaps. I jsut dont think philosophically a small DE that isnt really good in run support is in our plans. Remember for all the talk about improving our pass rush we havent exactly been good at shutting down the run. And adding one of these pass rush specialist everyone seems to want isnt going to help us get better in that department.

And when have we had the opportunity to grab a speed rusher? Last years draft fell in such a way that we did not draft a DE, so they sign Rosevelt Colvin. He just did not work out.

Don't side with McClain, you will be wrong more than you are right. Plus you know more than McClain.

mussop 02-22-2009 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 8331)
And when have we had the opportunity to grab a speed rusher? Last years draft fell in such a way that we did not draft a DE, so they sign Rosevelt Colvin. He just did not work out.

Don't side with McClain, you will be wrong more than you are right. Plus you know more than McClain.

Youre right about Colvin. Forgot about him.


I would take that as a compliment if I didnt know how little you think of McClain.:D

painekiller 02-22-2009 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 8344)
Youre right about Colvin. Forgot about him.


I would take that as a compliment if I didnt know how little you think of McClain.:D

It was a compliment, John McClain is a nationally recognized NFL reporter.

jppaul 02-22-2009 11:27 AM

McCLain has D-bag tatooed on his forehead. To be honest though I am surprised someone hasn't clubbed him like a harp seal yet...only a matter of time I suppose.

nunusguy 02-22-2009 11:56 AM

The NFLNetworks Mike Mayoc, who I regard as a real authority on evaluating football talent, has stated that Paul Kruger "holds the edge" (is solid against running plays) but lacks a real burst as a pass-rusher. That's good enough for me to mark this guy off of our list of possible solutions to help our deficiency of putting pressure on QBs.
The last thing we need is to expend a first-day pick on a player who will be just another guy when it comes to pass-rushing. I say spend a top pick, even a first rounder, on a real speed guy off of the edge who can really press QBs even if he's just on the field in passing situations.


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