7 Round Mock

[Roy P]

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htm

20 Houston Joe McKnight* RB 6'0" 200 USC
51 Houston Patrick Robinson CB 5'11" 194 Florida State
82 Houston Jordan Shipley WR 6'0" 195 Texas
116 Houston John Jerry OG 6'5" 348 Mississippi
147 Houston Nate Collins DT 6'2" 290 Virginia
158 Houston (from San Diego) Tim Hiller QB 6'5" 225 Western Michigan
178 Houston Josh Pinkard S 6'1" 215 USC
212 Houston Kenny Alfred OC 6'2" 300 Washington State

My Cherry Pick

20 Trent Williams OT 6'5" 320 Oklahoma
51 Brandon Ghee CB 6'1" 190 Wake Forest
82 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
116 Ben Tate RB 5'11" 211 Auburn
147 Nate Collins DT 6'2" 290 Virginia
158 Myron Lewis CB 6'2" 200 Vanderbilt
178 A.J. Edds OLB 6'4" 244 Iowa
212 Jay Ross DT 6'3" 305 East Carolina

Williams and Asamoah makes the OL formidable. I hate spending a first round pick on a LG, but Chester Pitts may not be back from injury and we saw a bad run team get worse. A line of Brown, Williams, Caldwell, Asamoah, Winston brings a smile to my face.

I'm giving Ghee a shot at CB to replace Dunta Robinson, at worst, he's a FS like the Cards' Antrel Rolle who can match up with Dallas Clark. Lewis is another CB/FS tweener who may get on the field faster than Molden.

Ben Tate is insurance for Foster and Slaton. With an improved OL, I'm betting the running game improves without spending a top pick on a position that may only produce 3-4 years.

Collins makes Zgonina expendable and Ross does the same for Okam. Edds in the 6th round is a steal in my opinion. I think he'd push Diles at the WILL.

[nunusguy]

Of our first 3 picks, use 2 for the OLine and the third for a corner ? I love it !

[HPF Bob]

Tim Tebow to the Raiders? That's like casting Snow White for a porn movie. That's gonna blow a few minds.

Somebody's boy Scott from LSU lasts until deep in the 5th round, btw.

[sinnister]

I like the Shipley Pick. It would be hard for me to pass him in the 3rd......depending on who is available. I do agree that we need to improve the OL and DL interior, and a RB would be lovely. And a CB and a S......

[Blitzwood]

Somebody's boy Scott from LSU lasts until deep in the 5th round, btw.

LOL, dig it, a RB coming off an injury could hurt his stock, we'll see where he is after the combine. I still think we need a bruiser at RB for our "tough" yards.

my cherry picks, although I wouldn't have been too upset with their picks...

20 Dan Williams DT Tenn
51 Patrick Robinson CB Florida St
82 Dexter McCluster RB Miss
116 Mike Neal DT Purdue
147 Charles Scott RB LSU
158 A.J. Wallace CB Penn St
178 Leigh Tiffin K Alabama
212 Thomas Austin C Clemson or Mike Pouncey OG Florida

I have Wallace as our potential FS

[HPF Bob]

I like the Shipley Pick. It would be hard for me to pass him in the 3rd......depending on who is available. I do agree that we need to improve the OL and DL interior, and a RB would be lovely. And a CB and a S......

Shipley's a great pick if we're willing to let Kevin Walter walk. If not, there's no room for him behind AJ, JJ, AD, Walter, Anderson...

[painekiller]

My turn

20 Mike Iupati OG 6'6" 330 Idaho
51 Morgan Burnett* S 6'1" 210 Georgia Tech
82 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
116 Vince Oghobaase DT 6'6" 312 Duke
147 Charles Scott RB 5'11" 228 LSU
158 Boo Robinson DT 6'2" 326 Wake Forest
178 Leigh Tiffin K 6'1" 198 Alabama
212 Keith Toston RB 6'1" 210 Oklahoma State

[American Idle]

I love the Horns and Shipley, but don't we already have a Shipley like player in Anderson?

[Blitzwood]

I like....

20 Jared Odrick DT Penn State
51 Reshad Jones FS Georgia
82 Daryl Washington ILB TCU
116 Kyle Wilson CB Boise St
147 Charles Scott RB LSU
156 Linval Joseph DT ECU
178 Leigh Tiffin K Alabama
212 Deji Karim RB Southern Ill.

I felt we could really improve our DT's with this draft since our production there ranks close to last in the league, as with our running game.

I also felt adding R. Jones and K. Wilson to our secondary will really upgrade our secondary. I feel they can start from day one.

Washington will have a chance to start, or provide some much needed depth incase one of our LB's gets injured.

[painekiller]

as of 1/29/10 they have a new 7 rounder
20 Houston Jared Odrick DT 6'5" 306 Penn State
51 Houston Reshad Jones* S 6'2" 212 Georgia
82 Houston Javier Arenas CB 5'9" 200 Alabama
116 Houston Dezmon Briscoe* WR 6'3" 200 Kansas
147 Houston Shawn Lauvao OG 6'3" 310 Arizona State
156 Houston (from San Diego) Charles Scott RB 5'11" 228 LSU
178 Houston Tyler Sheehan QB 6'4" 227 Bowling Green
212 Houston Jim Cordle OC 6'4" 286 Ohio State

MY cherry pick
20 Mike Iupati OG 6'6" 330 Idaho
51 Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
82 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
116 Ben Tate RB 5'11" 211 Auburn
147 Justin Woodall S 6'2" 220 Alabama
156 Zoltan Mesko P 6'4" 242 Michigan
178 James Starks RB 6'2" 210 Buffalo
212 Kerry Meier WR 6'3" 216 Kansas

[painekiller]

as of 1/29/10 they have a new 7 rounder
20 Houston Jared Odrick DT 6'5" 306 Penn State
51 Houston Reshad Jones* S 6'2" 212 Georgia
82 Houston Javier Arenas CB 5'9" 200 Alabama
116 Houston Dezmon Briscoe* WR 6'3" 200 Kansas
147 Houston Shawn Lauvao OG 6'3" 310 Arizona State
156 Houston (from San Diego) Charles Scott RB 5'11" 228 LSU
178 Houston Tyler Sheehan QB 6'4" 227 Bowling Green
212 Houston Jim Cordle OC 6'4" 286 Ohio State

MY cherry pick
20 Mike Iupati OG 6'6" 330 Idaho
51 Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
82 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
116 Ben Tate RB 5'11" 211 Auburn
147 Justin Woodall S 6'2" 220 Alabama
156 Zoltan Mesko P 6'4" 242 Michigan
178 James Starks RB 6'2" 210 Buffalo
212 Kerry Meier WR 6'3" 216 Kansas

post senior bowl mock

#48 Sean Weatherspoon OLB 6'1" 232 Missouri
51 Nate Allen S 6'2" 190 South Florida
54 Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
82 Mike Johnson OG 6'6" 305 Alabama
94 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
147 LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 240 Oregon
156 A.J. Edds OLB 6'4" 244 Iowa
178 James Starks RB 6'2" 210 Buffalo
212 Larry Asante S 6'1" 210 Nebraska

[NBT]

Why such a fixation on Weatherspoon? Every year there seems to be a message board darling. This year it seems to be Weatherspoon. There are higher and better needs, I believe, going into this years draft. A RB, a CB, a DT, and a OG should lead the parade, but not that much on LB. You wanta enlighten me, PK?

[idymoe]

post senior bowl mock

#48 Sean Weatherspoon OLB 6'1" 232 Missouri
51 Nate Allen S 6'2" 190 South Florida
54 Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
82 Mike Johnson OG 6'6" 305 Alabama
94 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
147 LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 240 Oregon
156 A.J. Edds OLB 6'4" 244 Iowa
178 James Starks RB 6'2" 210 Buffalo
212 Larry Asante S 6'1" 210 Nebraska



Tricksy with the trade-down.


I'll do this early with an alternate I wouldn't complain about.

1 Brandon Graham olb/de - Mike Iupati og
2 Kile Wilson cb - Markice Pouncey c
3 John Asamoan og - Anthony Dixon rb
4 Ben Tate rb - Kurt Coleman s
5 A.J.Edds olb - LeGarrette Blount rb
6. Cam Thomas DT - Robert Johnson s
7. Chris Cook cb - Larry Asante s

A lot of people thought Conner Barwin would be playing olb on a 3-4 defense. If Graham could beat him out for the de spot, I think he could make a great wlb. If not, Graham plays wlb. If you take Graham, take Blount in the fifth. If you take Iupati, take Edds in the fifth.

I know A.J. Edds is barely there at the Texans 6th pick, but I take him in the fifth to be sure.

[painekiller]

Why such a fixation on Weatherspoon? Every year there seems to be a message board darling. This year it seems to be Weatherspoon. There are higher and better needs, I believe, going into this years draft. A RB, a CB, a DT, and a OG should lead the parade, but not that much on LB. You wanta enlighten me, PK?

#48 Sean Weatherspoon OLB 6'1" 232 Missouri
51 Nate Allen S 6'2" 190 South Florida
54 Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
82 Mike Johnson OG 6'6" 305 Alabama
94 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
147 LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 240 Oregon
156 A.J. Edds OLB 6'4" 244 Iowa
178 James Starks RB 6'2" 210 Buffalo
212 Larry Asante S 6'1" 210 Nebraska

Got two RBs, got a shut down CB (IMO), got a very good safety prospect, I got two of the better OG in this draft, all of this without a 1st round pick on the "needs" you where calling for.

As for DT, I like Dan Williams, but he was gone. The mock draft I used by draftsite.com, was almost a worse case situation for the Texans. The guys I really want are gone before 20. After the Senior Bowl I am not picking Iupati at 20, and the 1st round trade downs do not net me much, so a went for the larger drop. That is where Weatherspoon was a BPA after the drop.

I would rather have chosen between Perrish Cox, Donovan Warren, Terrence Cody, Morgan Burnett to name a few. But they where gone in this mock after the trade down.

BTW I like Weatherspoon leadership, high motor, side line to side line range, can play all three LB positions, and he is a stud in coverage. I have been looking for a group on this team that can be a strength, and Weatherspoon helps the Texans become elite at LB.

BTW the more we mock Weatherspoon, the less of a chance that he is our pick.

[Roy P]

Why such a fixation on Weatherspoon? Every year there seems to be a message board darling. This year it seems to be Weatherspoon. There are higher and better needs, I believe, going into this years draft. A RB, a CB, a DT, and a OG should lead the parade, but not that much on LB. You wanta enlighten me, PK?

I liked Spoon last year, but he returned for a Senior year. I'm not going to jump off his bandwagon now. We have higher needs? Yes. Is there a better player? I haven't been convinced by any of the guys I've seen. If Haden is still on the board, I'll bite. Eric Berry? Sure. I'm not drafting a Guard in the 1st round unless he can play OT in a pinch. So, if Trent Williams is still around, I'd be willing to go that route. I'm not sure if I draft a RB in the 1st round until the team makes the playoffs. The kid from Fresno in the 2nd sounds good to me. So, overall, I forsee the best player available when we pick will be Spoon. I'd rather have 3 great LB's on the field and simply remove a NT on passing downs.

[painekiller]

Check out some of the videos, especially Starks

post senior bowl mock

#48 Sean Weatherspoon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx-BxSaQVh4)OLB 6'1" 232 Missouri
51 Nate Allen S 6'2" 190 South Florida
54 Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State (http://vimeo.com/8686299)
82 Mike Johnson OG 6'6" 305 Alabama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8tbYc-8pDg)
94 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
147 LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 240 Oregon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prgFBFV4V2Q)
156 A.J. Edds OLB 6'4" 244 Iowa
178 James Starks RB 6'2" 210 Buffalo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaMmHWpXwZg)
212 Larry Asante S 6'1" 210 Nebraska

[NBT]

Ok, I can understand that Weatherspoon is one of the best players in the draft. My reason for asking was that, if we went for him in the first, would there really be a good sound player at the other positions of need in the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th rounds? I didn't, don't, think so, thus my question. I would like this draft to be the feat de acompli to put us up there with the elite teams in the league, and one that would set the tone for a run up to the Super Bowl.

[painekiller]

Ok, I can understand that Weatherspoon is one of the best players in the draft. My reason for asking was that, if we went for him in the first, would there really be a good sound player at the other positions of need in the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th rounds? I didn't, don't, think so, thus my question. I would like this draft to be the feat de acompli to put us up there with the elite teams in the league, and one that would set the tone for a run up to the Super Bowl.

Other than DT, I would say yes that we can find a RB, CB, or OG in the later rounds.

NBT did you not notice that I traded down and took Weatherspoon in the 2nd round? I did not take a 1st rounder, instead I opted for Weatherspoon and Wilson in the 2nd round to replace a 1st rounder. (Allen was drafted using the Texans 2nd round pick).

[NBT]

Nope, sorry, I did not notice that. Excusa meo! :p

[Roy P]

OK, I've gone off my draftboard and tried to stay true to it as I went through the 7 rounder that drafttek has up now. This is my attempt without any trades.

1. RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 Fresno St.
2. CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 Boise St
3. DT Tyson Alualu 6'2" 295 California
4. DT Cam Thomas 6'4" 331 North Carolina
5. CB Brian Jackson 6'1" 202 Oklahoma
6. FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210 Virginia
7. OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 303 Notre Dame
8. OG Thomas Austin 6'3" 315 Clemson

I hate drafting a RB in the 1st round, but Spoon was off the board. :D
Kyle Wilson is my "replacement" for Dunta Robinson, because I am not paying him $10M for his effort and production. Alualu makes Zgonina expendable so he can retire already as well as give Okoye some competition. Cam Thomas is way undervalued in this mock draft, and I was happy to get him to replace Okam. Brian Jackson and Chris Cook are fighting it out for FS and the Dimeback. Two big OL to round out the draft.

[Roy P]

Apparently, I must have Cam Thomas way higher than the "consensus" mock draft. This is what I got...even after drafting Sean Weatherspoon.

1. LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 Missouri
2. CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 Boise St
3. OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 Illinois
4. DT Cam Thomas 6'4" 331 North Carolina
5. RB Charles Scott 5'11" 234 LSU
6. CB Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 Vanderbilt
7. S Larry Asante 6'0" 210 Nebraska
8. DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 Kentucky

[NBT]

I'm not against Weatherspoon in the first, I suppose you are planning on using him at the Will. I just don't see that Diles is doing that bad to use a first to replace him. Right now I would rather see either DT Dan Williams or RB Mathews with our first.

[Roy P]

I have come to the conclusion that this draft isn't one of my favorites in terms of matching needs with players. I can't say that I have any great Offensive Linemen that I feel comfortable can come in and play at a high level to establish our running game. Trying to find a "mauler" that can also pass protect and be agile enough to fit into a ZBS is harder than it looks. The guys who are potential LT prospects are the OL that I'm considering. However, Shawn Andrews of the Eagles is the last guy I can think of who was a LT in college that was drafted to play RG. I'd like Bryan Bulaga but I'm not sure he's available when we pick nor am I sure that I want to spend a 1st round pick to go that direction. His college teammate, Kyle Calloway is intriguing in terms of his talent and when he's likely to be drafted. I'm interested in how he tests at the Combine because, I think he might not be "athletic" enough for this coaching staff. Probably the best fit of talent and when he'll be selected is Jon Asamoah from Illinois, again I am not sure if I want to spend a 2nd rounder, but I suppose I'll have to bite the bullet. That's IF he's still around at pick #50, since I've seen him off the board at #37. :(

The Secondary is no different really. We can forget about being able to take Eric Berry in the first round, the word is out that he's pretty good. Joe Haden is also most likely gone before we make a pick. There is going to be some sentiment to select Longhorn Earl Thomas to be our ballhawk. The question is can we afford to take a player who isn't very good at tackling and is small for the position that could lead to injury? If all we want is a player to sit back in Zone and make Interceptions, might we take a CB like Syd'Quan Thompson in the 2nd round and tell him to help out when he can against the run without getting himself killed? Ah, there's that 2nd round pick again that I was going to spend on Asamoah. Wait a minute, the CB's in this draft are not very good in all phases of the game either. I have my eye on Kyle Wilson, but he's probably a 2nd round pick too just like Donovan Warren. If I were able to luck out and have Brandon Ghee available at pick #83 in the 3rd round, I'd be pretty happy.

We'd like a RB too in this draft, and the best chance to get one that will be a difference maker is in the 3rd round. That's assuming Toby Gerhart or Ben Tate are still on the board. Perhaps we get another Tennessee RB Montario Hardesty. I know he absolutely killed the University of Kentucky when I watched that game.

I personally would like a LB to take the place of Diles. We have Freeman on the roster and it will be interesting to see if Adibi continues to draw a check. I have a long history of projecting LBs higher than when they are actually drafted. A perfect example is Brandon Siler of the Florida Gators, now Chargers. I'm hopeful that short Bulldog LB Rennie Curran falls into this category. It would great if he "fell" to the 5th round.

The 6th and 7th round is going to go towards players who may "grow" into their position. I wouldn't mind drafting a big, slow CB who could project into the FS position. Brian Jackson of Oklahoma or Chris Cook are who I'm thinking of specifically. Then there is the idea of Caldwell being a guard, in which case we could draft a OC late like Eric Olsen - Notre Dame, John Estes - Hawaii, or Jeff Byers - USC.

So, in my perfect scenario we trade out of the first round with KC Chiefs and get picks: #36, #68, #138, #163. Then the draft would look like this...

#36 - OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
#50 - CB Donovan Warren 6'0" 185 4.42 Michigan
#68 - FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
#83 - RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.55 Stanford
#115 - LB Rennie Curran 5'11" 225 4.56 Georgia
#138 - DT Mike Neal 6'3" 300 4.96 Purdue
#146 - OC Ted Larsen 6'2" 300 5.24 North Carolina St
#163 - QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham
#177 - DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 4.95 Kentucky
#187 - OC Jeff Byers 6'3" 299 5.22 USC
#210 - Given to KC in trade

[Blitzwood]

Using your trade scenario I would go best OC and CB first. I'm tired of seeing our centers getting blown up by big 3-4 NT's. Pouncey offers a good combination of size, athleticism and experience along with a nasty demeanor. Kyle Wilson, I thought played well in the senior bowl and gets the nod here.

I also get Walter McFadden to help out the secondary as a FS. He really had a knack for the ball this season and if that fails, we know he's already a lockdown defender.

Linval Joseph, who's a junior, can be brought along slowly and will eventually start. Scott helps bolster our often injured O line and M. Johnson gives us some quality depth for the often knicked up LB's.

Bell backs up Foster and Tate and Lawrence challenges to start at WILL.


#36 - Maurkice Pouncey OC Florida
#50 - Kyle Wilson CB Boise St
#68 - Lamarr Houston DT Texas
#83 - Walter McFadden FS/CB Auburn
#115 - Ben Tate RB Auburn
#138 - Linval Joseph DT ECU
#146 - Chris Scott OT Tennessee
#163 - Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky
#177 - Joique Bell RB Wayne St
#187 - Simoni Lawrence OLB Minn
#210 - Given to KC in trade

[NBT]

Don't we have an extra sixth from Oakland? How about trying to package it in with our pick in some earlier round to try to move up, say in the first for DT Dan Williams?

[painekiller]

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htm

20 Jonathan Dwyer* RB 6'1" 235 Georgia Tech
51 Chad Jones* S 6'3" 218 LSU
82 Jerome Murphy CB 6'1" 192 South Florida
119 Jacoby Ford WR 5'9" 175 Clemson
152 Terrell Skinner S 6'3" 214 Maryland
190 Max Hall QB 6'1" 200 BYU
200 Jeff Byers OG 6'3" 290 USC
231 Corey Peters DT 6'3" 292 Kentucky

ok in my Cherry pick i have to drop 9 spot to take my guy so I would be trading down with someone Maybe San Diego who are looking RB? we give 20 for 28 and 60
28 Dan Williams DT 6'3" 312 Tennessee
51 Kareem Jackson* CB 5'11" 192 Alabama
60 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
82 Perrish Cox CB 6'1" 195 Oklahoma State
119 Charles Scott RB 5'11" 228 LSU
152 Rodger Saffold OT 6'5" 305 Indiana (OG) prospect had great Shrine week.
190 Cam Thomas DT 6'3" 330 North Carolina
200 John Skelton QB 6'5" 258 Fordham
231 Javarris James RB 6'0" 211 Miami

[painekiller]

Don't we have an extra sixth from Oakland? How about trying to package it in with our pick in some earlier round to try to move up, say in the first for DT Dan Williams?

it's San Diego and it's a 6th rounder for Travis Johnson.

[painekiller]

Roy did you happen to notice this guy during the Shrine game? Rodger Saffold OT 6'5" 305 Indiana. The press on him was he stonewalled everybody, could be a OG prospect.

from nfldraftscout.com (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=78897&draftyear=2010&genpos=OT)

02/16/10 - PRO POTENTIAL: For a team that suffered through back-to-back losing seasons, the Hoosiers sure are raising a lot of eyebrows in the NFL ranks. Indiana will send four players to the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis later this month, and IU should be well-represented come draft weekend. OT Rodger Saffold - Saffold was a four-year starter in Bloomington and he was one of the standouts during the week of practice leading up to the East-West Shrine game. Saffold has good footwork and will be an intriguing prospect for NFL teams.

01/20/10 - EAST-WEST SHRINE RISERS: OT Roger Saffold, Indiana: It's hard to argue anyone but Saffold was the best player on the field this week. He was strong, moved his feet well in pass protection and when drive-blocking gave good effort through the end of plays, and was mobile enough to hit targets at the second level. Some scouts will project him inside, but it appears the 3.5-year starter at left tackle should at least get a chance to prove he can handle those responsibilities. A third-round selection seems likely for Saffold at this point in the process. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

01/19/10 - East-West Shrine Tuesday Practice: The matchup between Ole Miss defensive end Greg Hardy and Indiana tackle Roger Saffold was worth the price of the flight to Orlando. Saffold controlled Hardy in most one-on-one drills, eating up a spin move, turning him and allowing him no space in which to work. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

01/18/10 - East-West Shrine Monday Practice: Indiana offensive tackle Roger Saffold is a player to watch - the explosion he displayed coming out of his stance and his mobility to the second level were impressive, even without pads on. On one play, he gave Purdue defensive tackle Mike Neal a good ride off the snap, and Neal has plenty of strength himself. Saffold has the strength and footwork to be among the 10 tackles potentially selected in the top 100 this year. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

[Roy P]

Roy did you happen to notice this guy during the Shrine game? Rodger Saffold OT 6'5" 305 Indiana. The press on him was he stonewalled everybody, could be a OG prospect.


Yes, I saw him on a couple of plays. I was more focused on Kyle Calloway on the other side to be honest. I'm trying to get a feel for which round Saffold would be a value at the LG. If Mike Johnson and Jon Asamoah are off the board before we pick in the 3rd, then I may be willing to "reach" for this guy. First, I want to see what he does at the Combine and get a feel for his strength and agility.

[painekiller]

New attempt, because I'm board and I do not think we go starting rookie OG.

ok in my Cherry pick i have to drop 9 spot to take my guy so I would be trading down with someone Maybe San Diego who are looking RB? we give 20 for 28 and 60
28 Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
51 Myron Rolle S 6'2" 215 Florida State
60 Dexter McCluster RB 5'8" 165 Mississippi
82 Amari Spievey* CB 6'0" 190 Iowa
119 LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 240 Oregon
152 Rodger Saffold OT 6'5" 305 Indiana (OG) prospect had great Shrine week.
190 Cam Thomas DT 6'3" 330 North Carolina
200 John Skelton QB 6'5" 258 Fordham
231 Kerry Meier WR 6'3" 216 Kansas

[Blitzwood]

Using PK's trade I have:

28 Dan Williams, DT, Tenn
51 Jahvid Best, RB, Cal
60 Tyson Alualu, DT, Cal
82 Sean Lee, OLB, Penn State
119 Walter Thurmond III, CB, Oregon
152 Terrell Skinner, FS, Maryland
190 Alterraun Verner, CB, UCLA
200 Harry Coleman, S, LSU

[Roy P]

Using PK's trade I have:

28 Dan Williams, DT, Tenn
51 Jahvid Best, RB, Cal
60 Tyson Alualu, DT, Cal
82 Sean Lee, OLB, Penn State
119 Walter Thurmond III, CB, Oregon
152 Terrell Skinner, FS, Maryland
190 Alterraun Verner, CB, UCLA
200 Harry Coleman, S, LSU

Ok, this may be my "perfect" draft....

28 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 325 5.23 Tennessee
51 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 188 4.47 Rutgers
60 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
82 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.55 Stanford
119 OT Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
152 FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210 4.54 Virginia
190 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
200 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham

[painekiller]

Ok, this may be my "perfect" draft....

28 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 325 5.23 Tennessee
51 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 188 4.47 Rutgers
60 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
82 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.55 Stanford
119 OT Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
152 FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210 4.54 Virginia
190 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
200 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham

My perfect draft? not a make everyone think type draft, ok here goes:

28 Dan Williams DT 6'3" 312 Tennessee
51 Myron Rolle S 6'2" 215 Florida State
60 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
*70 Dexter McCluster RB 5'8" 165 Mississippi
82 Amari Spievey* CB 6'0" 190 Iowa
119 LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 240 Oregon
152 Rodger Saffold OT/OG 6'5" 305 Indiana
190 Cam Thomas DT 6'3" 330 North Carolina
200 John Skelton QB 6'5" 258 Fordham
231 Kerry Meier WR 6'3" 216 Kansas

*#70 - I gave my 2011 2nd rounder to Oakland for there #6 pick in the 3rd round.

Dan Williams plays both DT positions
Rolle starts next to Pollard, backed up by Barber and Nolan
Asamoah starts at RG from day one, Saffold has to work his way into starting lineup.
McCluster is 3 roster spots, KR, WR so Anderson/Jones/Davis are all on notice, and RB. Only his blocking is in question. Blount is the backup change of pace back until he learns the blocking scheme.
Spievey is what we thought Molden would be, should push for playing time and start in year 2.
Thomas should be the NT that I wanted Okam to be.
Skelton is a project QB. #3 behind winner of Booty/Orlovsky for #2.
Meier is a former QB turned WR, has size and speed, project. Plus I'm friends with his uncle.

2011 and beyond OL - Brown, Saffold, Caldwell, Asamoah, Winston

[painekiller]

My perfect draft? not a make everyone think type draft, ok here goes:

28 Dan Williams DT 6'3" 312 Tennessee
51 Myron Rolle S 6'2" 215 Florida State
60 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
*70 Dexter McCluster RB 5'8" 165 Mississippi
82 Amari Spievey* CB 6'0" 190 Iowa
119 LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 240 Oregon
152 Rodger Saffold OT/OG 6'5" 305 Indiana
190 Cam Thomas DT 6'3" 330 North Carolina
200 John Skelton QB 6'5" 258 Fordham
231 Kerry Meier WR 6'3" 216 Kansas

*#70 - I gave my 2011 2nd rounder to Oakland for there #6 pick in the 3rd round.

Dan Williams plays both DT positions
Rolle starts next to Pollard, backed up by Barber and Nolan
Asamoah starts at RG from day one, Saffold has to work his way into starting lineup.
McCluster is 3 roster spots, KR, WR so Anderson/Jones/Davis are all on notice, and RB. Only his blocking is in question. Blount is the backup change of pace back until he learns the blocking scheme.
Spievey is what we thought Molden would be, should push for playing time and start in year 2.
Thomas should be the NT that I wanted Okam to be.
Skelton is a project QB. #3 behind winner of Booty/Orlovsky for #2.
Meier is a former QB turned WR, has size and speed, project. Plus I'm friends with his uncle.

2011 and beyond OL - Brown, Saffold, Caldwell, Asamoah, Winston

Does the descision not to retain Dunta change my draft stratigy?

I might look at Kyle Wilson #30 in this draft or Donovan Warren # 50 at the #28. If they run in the mid 4.4 and show good hip flip. I have them as #2 and 3 of the CBs precombine.

My thing is I have Dan Williams as one of the best players coming out this year.

[Roy P]

Does the descision not to retain Dunta change my draft stratigy?


My thing is I have Dan Williams as one of the best players coming out this year.

The answer to your question should be "no" because of the statement you made. :D

The draft is meant to get the best talent you can find when you pick.

[Blitzwood]

Dunta not coming back changes my draft completely, putting an emphasis on CB early, as well as RB, and FS.


28 Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
51 Reshad Jones, FS, Georgia
60 Anthony Dixon, RB, Miss St
*70 Daryl Washington, ILB, TCU
82 Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
119 Eric Olsen, OC, Notre Dame
152 Rodger Saffold, OT/OG, Indiana
190 Leigh Tiffin, K, Alabama
200 Jay Ross, DT, East Carolina
231 Brian Jackson, CB, Oklahoma

FA Signings

Brandon Minor, RB, Michigan
Joe Thomas, OG, Pitt
Antonio Coleman, DE, Auburn

[painekiller]

After rewatching the Senior Bowl, i have changed my mind. What if we had a Dwight Freeney type DE to pair with Mario?

#20 Brandon Graham DE 6'2" 270 Michigan
#50 Devin McCourty CB 5'11" 190 Rutgers blocked 7 kicks in his career
#82 Lamarr Houston DT 6'2" 300 Texas
119 Ben Tate RB 5'11" 211 Auburn
152 Rodger Saffold OT 6'5" 305 Indiana
190 Cam Thomas DT 6'3" 330 North Carolina
200 Andre Anderson RB 6'0" 212 Tulane
231 Klint Kubiak S 6'0" 212 Colorado State

My future DL is Mario, Thomas, Houston, Graham
McCourty is solid with the play in front of him, but gives up the long ball to often. High Risk/Reward guy
Houston, almost unblockable high motor guy
Tate all around RB
Saffold LG prospect
Thomas one of Roy's guys
Anderson carried his college team
Kubiak, momma told husband to draft him. :p

[nunusguy]

OK what are we looking at here as our most pressing needs ? CB,C/G,RB and perhaps DT & safety but to a lesser degree. Given the crop of FAs becoming available in March, would the Texans be realistic to expect they could fill one of those needs for the upcoming campaign in FA and thereby give themselves more flexibility in the Draft ?

[painekiller]

OK what are we looking at here as our most pressing needs ? CB,C/G,RB and perhaps DT & safety but to a lesser degree. Given the crop of FAs becoming available in March, would the Texans be realistic to expect they could fill one of those needs for the upcoming campaign in FA and thereby give themselves more flexibility in the Draft ?

OG/C can be filled with Casey Wiegmann and/or Ben Hamilton. They both started for Rick Dennison in Denver. Both are more of the undersized guys preferred by Alex Gibbs' influenced offenses.

Signing one of these guys would allow you to draft a development type guy later in the draft, guys like Adam Ulatoski of Texas.

At Safety you might pursue a Darren Sharper, other wise the FA DBs are very thin. As are the FA RBs.

Currently this is one of the worse years ever for FAs.

[Roy P]

CB,C/G,RB and perhaps DT & safety but to a lesser degree. Given the crop of FAs becoming available in March, would the Texans be realistic to expect they could fill one of those needs for the upcoming campaign in FA and thereby give themselves more flexibility in the Draft ?

CB Leigh Bodden or DeShea Townsend to replace Dunta Robinson.

DT Fred Robbins

FS Jared Page (KC rejects might find a home with Lil' Coach Gibbs)

RB Larry Johnson (See what Ced Benson did after we passed on him)

[painekiller]

#20 Taylor Mays S 6'4" 225 USC
#51 Mike Johnson OG 6'6" 305 Alabama
#82 Brandon Ghee CB/FS 6'1" 190 Wake Forest
119 LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 240 Oregon
152 Myron Lewis CB/FS 6'2" 200 Vanderbilt
190 Cam Thomas DT 6'3" 330 North Carolina
200 Jeff Byers OG/OC 6'3" 290 USC
231 Chris Cook CB/FS 6'2" 210 Virginia

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I wanted a 2nd RB and thought about Keith Toston RB 6'1" 210 Oklahoma State in the 7th. This mock falls funny and I wish I had a few more picks in the 2nd 3rd round area.

[Nconroe]

Just questioning Taylor Mays, he didn't seem to produce well this past year. Seems I saw him beaten in coverage quite a bit.

[painekiller]

Just questioning Taylor Mays, he didn't seem to produce well this past year. Seems I saw him beaten in coverage quite a bit.

I agree with you, but at the Senior Bowl he was interviewed and implied he had been coached to make the big hit, not to look for the ball. He made a nice INT at the Senior Bowl that was a possible game changer.

The kid has natural skill and appeared to be willing to listen to a coach. So if the team interviews him and decides he is the pick I am not screaming like I did during last years draft (they were right and I was wrong BTW).

I do not get to interview these kids, so I am just throwing out new ideas.

[NBT]

I wanted a 2nd RB and thought about Keith Toston RB 6'1" 210 Oklahoma State in the 7th. This mock falls funny and I wish I had a few more picks in the 2nd 3rd round area.

Seems like we say that every year. That's why we want to trade down, or out, of the first round for some more picks all the time.

[Roy P]

Seems like we say that every year. That's why we want to trade down, or out, of the first round for some more picks all the time.

At least we are consistent. As long as we are not in the Playoffs, I'm of the mindset that we need to get more players. How many "needs" can you think of that this team has?

1. CB to cover Reggie Wayne and replace Dunta Robinson - Not likely in this draft

2. LG to put Studdard on the Bench if Chester Pitts isn't going to be a Texan.

3. RG to allow Caldwell to slide into the OC position.

4. FS who can give help over the top and perhaps pull in some Interceptions. Perhaps get more interceptions than Brian Cushing. He also has to be a good enough tackler to be a credible presence in the Box.

5. RB who can move a pile, not fumble, and pass protect. Getting a RB who can score TDs in the Red Zone puts this team in the playoffs. Just a guy who scores 10+ TDs, that's all.

6. DT that not only stops the run, but pushes the pocket allowing Mario to get sacks. Wouldn't it be nice to have a DT that gets 6 sacks?

When we get our 6 needs down to 2 needs, then I'll be arguing that we should trade up and get that "Special" talent who won't be available when we pick at the position that we must have.

[kRocket]

Trade up next year, 'maybe'. But, this year we still have some holes and some B/U positions to fill first. There are some good OL that will fall to us and a good RB might come our way. After that I reckon we ought to concentrate on defense since there is a wealth of defensive talent. Now, I am not saying that should be the draft order just our needs.
There was a kid name Hardesty (big & fast and Mayock mentioned that he is one-cut zone runner) that merits consideration and Blount ran well for a 240lb back. I like Marshall Newhouse at 3-5 but there are others. Most of the ones we talk about we won't have a chance at anyway. I haven't seen too many guys hurt themselves so far.

[painekiller]

Just questioning Taylor Mays, he didn't seem to produce well this past year. Seems I saw him beaten in coverage quite a bit.

He blew up the combine, so how much do we put stock in the kid starting mailing it in when USC started to flounder, how much was coaching/scheme, and how much was playing not to get hurt. As much as I don't like to see guys who mail it in, I can understand it. Had he come last season he would have been a top 15 pick. Now he has lost the use of the money he would have had already and dropped a couple of million in overall contract amount.

When will guys projected in the 1st round learn to come out. Money now is worth more than money later.

[Blitzwood]

Since Draftsite is new and much improved and the combine is over...

1. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida St
2. Tyson Alualu, DT, Cal
3. Dorin Dickerson, TE/RB, Pitt
4. Eric Olsen, OG/C, Notre Dame
5. Rashawn Jackson, FB/RB, Virginia
6. Alterraun Verner, CB/FS, Iowa
6. Ryan Stamper, OLB, Florida
7. Corey Peters, DT, Kentucky

[Roy P]

Since Draftsite is new and much improved and the combine is over...

1. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida St
2. Tyson Alualu, DT, Cal
3. Dorin Dickerson, TE/RB, Pitt
4. Eric Olsen, OG/C, Notre Dame
5. Rashawn Jackson, FB/RB, Virginia
6. Alterraun Verner, CB/FS, Iowa
6. Ryan Stamper, OLB, Florida
7. Corey Peters, DT, Kentucky

Not a Cherry Pick, but going with my draftboard....

1.DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 Tennessee
2.LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 240 Missouri
3.RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 Auburn
4.LG Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 Indiana
5.RG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 TCU
6.FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 Vanderbilt
6.CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 UCLA
7.DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 East Carolina

Yeah, I'd be pretty happy with that draft.

[painekiller]

Post Combine, and today I was packing for a move and the TV was on NFLn, I think I have seen every Tebow/Mays/Suh/Weatherspoon highlight there is.

So here is my take, and I am going to pass guys I think will be gone, and grab guys where I think they are going, so no Weatherspoon at 51.

20 Ryan Mathews* RB Fresno State
51 Brandon Ghee CB Wake Forest
82 Rodger Saffold OT Indiana
119 Dekoda Watson OLB Florida State
152 Brian Jackson CB Oklahoma
190 Eric Decker WR Minnesota
200 Jeff Byers OG USC
231 Justin Woodall S Alabama

[NBT]

I notice that the Texans didn't tender OLG Chester Pitts. Could that mean we will draft one of the many OT's in this draft and move Duane Brown inside?

[painekiller]

I notice that the Texans didn't tender OLG Chester Pitts. Could that mean we will draft one of the many OT's in this draft and move Duane Brown inside?

He is unrestricted, you can only tender the restricted guys.

[Nconroe]

If I were to vote on Roy or PK's last 7 rounder above, interesting either way, more likely would see a trade down if it fell PK's way. I like the positions from Roys draft as more likely my preference. Can't wait for Thursday, April 22. And thanks to everyone for their investigations and opinions.

[Roy P]

#20 Taylor Mays S 6'4" 225 USC
#51 Mike Johnson OG 6'6" 305 Alabama
#82 Brandon Ghee CB/FS 6'1" 190 Wake Forest
119 LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 240 Oregon
152 Myron Lewis CB/FS 6'2" 200 Vanderbilt
190 Cam Thomas DT 6'3" 330 North Carolina
200 Jeff Byers OG/OC 6'3" 290 USC
231 Chris Cook CB/FS 6'2" 210 Virginia
.

I have been looking for "updated" rankings since the Combine and haven't really seen anything yet. While it isn't a mock draft, http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010?tag=pageContainer;playerRatings&start_row=1
has at least updated rankings. So, I thought I'd look at that and compare it to my draft board.....

#20 DT Dan Williams
#51 RB Ben Tate
#82 CB Syd'Quan Thompson
#119 OG Marshall Newhouse
#152 FS Myron Lewis
#190 OC Eric Olsen
#200 DT Jay Ross
#231 CB Patrick Stoudamire

[Blitzwood]

Who I think Kubiak/Smith will draft:

20 Ryan Mathews RB Fresno
51 Tyson Alualu DT Cal
82 Myron Lewis CB Vanderbilt
119 Tony Washington OT A.C.U.
152 Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin
190 Robert Johnson FS Utah
200 Edward Britton WR Texas Tech
231 Brandon Deaderick DT/DE Alabama

I'd be alright with this draft.

[Roy P]

1. DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 5.17 Tennessee
2. CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 4.48 Rutgers
3. CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
4. FS Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 Indiana (Pa)
5. OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
6. RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
6. DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
7. DE Lindsey Witten 6'4" 248 4.73 Connecticut

Ok, I'm actually ok with the idea of trading up for Dan Williams, so I'm happy to take him at #20. I'd be fine with taking McCourty at #20 to fill a need, so I was more than pleased to take him in the 2nd round. I've got Ghee with a 2nd round grade, so once again happy to get the BPA. In the 4th, I complete the Secondary with a small-school FS. I get a big body with agility in the 5th and another RB in the 6th. Getting Ross and Williams should improve the run defense and get some push up the middle. Witten was just the BPA in the 7th round.

[painekiller]

I have been looking for "updated" rankings since the Combine and haven't really seen anything yet. While it isn't a mock draft, http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010?tag=pageContainer;playerRatings&start_row=1
has at least updated rankings. So, I thought I'd look at that and compare it to my draft board.....

They updated again on 3/20

So here is my take.

I will assume that some guys will drop, so I will look at 5 places up at each pick and then down.

1st 20 Earl Thomas FS/CB Texas 5-10 208
2nd 51 Tyson Alualu DT California 6-3 295
3rd 82 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB Indiana (PA) 6-0 207
4th 119 Ben Tate RB Auburn 5-11 220
5th 152 Marshall Newhouse OG TCU 6-4 319
* 5th 155 Lonyae Miller RB Fresno State 6-0 221
6A 190 Roddrick Muckelroy OLB Texas 6-2 246
6B 200 Corey Peters DT Kentucky 6-3 300
7th 231 Keiland Williams RB LSU 5-11 233

Trade back into the 5th round using 2011 4th round pick.

[Roy P]

They updated again on 3/20

1st 20 Earl Thomas FS/CB Texas 5-10 208
2nd 51 Tyson Alualu DT California 6-3 295
3rd 82 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB Indiana (PA) 6-0 207
4th 119 Ben Tate RB Auburn 5-11 220
5th 152 Marshall Newhouse OG TCU 6-4 319
* 5th 155 Lonyae Miller RB Fresno State 6-0 221
6A 190 Roddrick Muckelroy OLB Texas 6-2 246
6B 200 Corey Peters DT Kentucky 6-3 300
7th 231 Keiland Williams RB LSU 5-11 233

Trade back into the 5th round using 2011 4th round pick.

I merely went by my draft board and if they were gone with my pick, took the BPA...

#20 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
#51 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
#82 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
#119 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
#152 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
#155 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
#190 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
#200 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 5.02 Kentucky
#231 K Aaron Pettrey 6'1" 202 4.94 Ohio St

I took 'Spoon because all the BPA at need Positions were gone, so BPA.
I have moved Tate and Jerry on my draft board since it looks like that's the only way I can get both. Getting Newhouse & Jerry gives the ZBS some power and girth to go along with agility. Lindley is not as physical as Joe Haden but defends the pass just as well. Happy with DL depth that late. My entire board was gone by #231 so I've added a PK.

[Blitzwood]

Using their updated board:

1. Brian Price, DT, UCLA- BPA at a position of need, starter. Okoye becomes a reserve/rotation DT.

2. Morgan Burnett, FS, Georgia Tech- Great ballhawk that supports the run, starter.

3. Jamar Chaney, WILB, Mississippi State-Future WILL that can play any LB position in a pinch.

4. Walter McFadden, CB, Auburn- Potential Starter.

5(147). Charles Scott, RB, LSU- Rotation and situational RB.

5(155). Marshall Newhouse, OG, TCU- O line depth.

6. Joshua Moore, CB, Kansas State- Physical CB with good awareness and changes direction quickly, leadership skills, mirrors recievers well(according to Chad Reuter).

6. Jacob Ramsey, RB, Cincinnati- Could turn out to be a late round steal. RB for a Cincinnati team that went undefeated last year. Catches well, blocks well, tough to bring down and comes from a similar ZBS. Caught my eye a week ago while rewatching the Sugar Bowl on my DVR.


7. Trindon Holliday, RS,RB, LSU- With Andre Davis not returning, we select the nation's best return specialist who can double as a RB. Very dangerous in the open field.

[Roy P]

#20 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
#51 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
#82 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
#119 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
#152 OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
#155 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
#190 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
#200 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 5.02 Kentucky
#231 K Aaron Pettrey 6'1" 202 4.94 Ohio St



The HuddleReport has updated their list....

#20 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
#51 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
#81 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
#118 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
#150 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
#187 OC Ted Larsen 6'3" 304 5.26 North Carolina St
#197 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
#227 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213 4.54 Indiana

[painekiller]

The HuddleReport has updated their list....

#20 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
#51 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
#81 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
#118 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
#150 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
#187 OC Ted Larsen 6'3" 304 5.26 North Carolina St
#197 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
#227 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213 4.54 Indiana

#20 LB Sean Weatherspoon
#51 DT Lamarr Houston
#81 CB Amari Spievey
#118 CB/FS Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
#150 OG Marshall Newhouse
#187 FB/WR Jameson Konz Kent State 6-4 234 7 4.43
#197 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois 5-09 209 7 4.40
#227 OC/OG Jeff Byers C Southern California 6-4 301

Weatherspoon is BPA. He gives an upgrade at WILL or he can become your Mike if needed. Diles can back up all three guys.
Houston give you a high motor guy, who can get to the QB and collapse the pocket from the middle.
Spievey and Ansah are both ST standouts who can develop. Ansah might be a candidate for the FS spot.
Konz is on McClain sleeper list, which is why this does not happen, same for Karim.
Byers can play all three interior line positions, goodbye Studdard.

[Blitzwood]

36. Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
51. Jamar Chaney, OLB, Mississippi State
69. Lamar Houston, DT, Texas
82. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
103. Myron Lewis, CB/FS, Vanderbilt
119. Torrell Troup, DT, UCF
151. Chris Scott, OT, Tennessee
187. Nate Byham, TE, Pitt
197. Trindon Holliday, RS/RB, LSU
227. Antonio Coleman, DE, Auburn


Texans select Demaryius Thomas at 20 for the the Chiefs in exchange for 36, 69, and 103.

[popanot]

Witherspoon is a nice player and all, but I find it hard to believe the Texans are going to take a LB with that first pick. Witherspoon would have to be the clear BPA with no CB, S, RB, OL, DL close to or of equal value being on their board. Not that I think it will happen, but I could even see them going WR before LB, if say, one of the 2 best WRs drop. IMO, it's going to be one of the following (in no particular order); Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty, Ryan Mathews, or BPA OL or DL. One of those players will be there @ 20. My guess is they'll go DB since losing DRob and it will be between Thomas/Wilson/McCourty. I don't think Thomas will be there so I'll take Wilson.

[painekiller]

Witherspoon is a nice player and all, but I find it hard to believe the Texans are going to take a LB with that first pick. Witherspoon would have to be the clear BPA with no CB, S, RB, OL, DL close to or of equal value being on their board. Not that I think it will happen, but I could even see them going WR before LB, if say, one of the 2 best WRs drop. IMO, it's going to be one of the following (in no particular order); Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty, Ryan Mathews, or BPA OL or DL. One of those players will be there @ 20. My guess is they'll go DB since losing DRob and it will be between Thomas/Wilson/McCourty. I don't think Thomas will be there so I'll take Wilson.

I would add Iupati, Dan Williams (doubtful), Spiller (doubtful), Cody(very doubtful).

I would say they are not taking a OT in the 1st, and I would say they are not taking a DE in the 1st.

[popanot]

Meant "Weatherspoon"... :rolleyes: Although, I'm sure there's a Witherspoon out there that's a fine player, too. :p

[Roy P]

The HuddleReport has updated their list....

#20 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
#51 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
#81 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
#118 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
#150 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
#187 OC Ted Larsen 6'3" 304 5.26 North Carolina St
#197 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina
#227 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213 4.54 Indiana

THR has a 6 round computer Mock....this is who I chose:

#20 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
#51 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
#81 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
#118 FS Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 Indiana (Pa)
#150 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
#187 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
#197 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina

We may want to seriously start looking to trade up to #75 to draft a RB, because I'm not sure if a "good" one will be available when we pick at #81.

[painekiller]

THR has a 6 round computer Mock....this is who I chose:

#20 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri
#51 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
#81 DT Geno Atkins 6'2" 293 4.86 Georgia
#118 FS Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6'0" 207 4.47 Indiana (Pa)
#150 RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.
#187 CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
#197 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.15 East Carolina

We may want to seriously start looking to trade up to #75 to draft a RB, because I'm not sure if a "good" one will be available when we pick at #81.

The huddlereport has us taking
20 LB Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
51 CB Patrick Robinson Florida St
81 RB Anthony Dixon Mississippi St
118 QB Jarrett Brown West Virginia
150 S Myron Rolle Florida St
187 OG Jeff Byers USC
197 WR *Freddie Barnes Bowling Green

my cherry pick
20 LB Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
51 DT Lamarr Houston Texas
81 OC JD Walton Baylor
118 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah Indiana (PA)
150 RB Lonyae Miller Fresno St
187 QB John Skelton Fordham
197 RB Javarris James Miami

My front 7 is now one of the strongest in football on paper

[painekiller]

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

20 Dez Bryant* WR Oklahoma State
51 Nate Allen S South Florida
82 Amari Spievey* CB Iowa
119 Jarrett Brown QB West Virginia
151 Charles Scott RB LSU
188 Jeff Byers OG USC
198 Kion Wilson ILB South Florida
228 Kenny Alfred OC Washington State

[nunusguy]

The huddlereport has us taking
20 LB Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
51 CB Patrick Robinson Florida St
81 RB Anthony Dixon Mississippi St
118 QB Jarrett Brown West Virginia
150 S Myron Rolle Florida St
187 OG Jeff Byers USC
197 WR *Freddie Barnes Bowling Green

my cherry pick
20 LB Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
51 DT Lamarr Houston Texas
81 OC JD Walton Baylor
118 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah Indiana (PA)
150 RB Lonyae Miller Fresno St
187 QB John Skelton Fordham
197 RB Javarris James Miami

My front 7 is now one of the strongest in football on paper
I like the Huddles mock, except for all of that folishness with the guy from Jasper - what, we gonna use our first-round pick as a bench-warmer in nickel situations ? I don't think so. And what a steal to get P. Robinson at 51 overall, who some have as the #2 corner after Haden.
Dixon would be great, him or Gerhardt is the kind of big thumper we need to add to our corps of backs and with a third-round pick.
Here's a question - I was watching the NFLNetwork this week and they were interviewing L.Houston and he was talking about the nose tackle positoon ?
Anybody know what's that's about 'cause I thought he was a 3-tech guy only ?
And another question - which back or backs, if any, in this years Draft reminds you of Shonn Greene, the back the Jets got last year at the begging of the third
round ?

[Roy P]

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

20 Dez Bryant* WR Oklahoma State
51 Nate Allen S South Florida
82 Amari Spievey* CB Iowa
119 Jarrett Brown QB West Virginia
151 Charles Scott RB LSU
188 Jeff Byers OG USC
198 Kion Wilson ILB South Florida
228 Kenny Alfred OC Washington State

20.LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri

51.CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest

82.RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn

119.DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington

151.CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA

188.CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.

198.DT Earl Mitchell 6'2" 296 4.75 Arizona

228.OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State

I will say that this particular site has players all over the place. Either I'm really overrating some guys, or they are waaay off the mark. The question comes into play about the CB position that has been believed to be the BIG need. At 20 Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty, & Patrick Robinson may be worthwhile, but Alterraun Verner, Aj Jefferson, Kevin Thomas, Trevard Lindley, and Crezdon Butler would be servicable in pass defense much later in the draft.

Perhaps I can draft the BPA in the first, take the best RB in the 2nd, the best OL/DL in the 3rd and 4th, and then grab DB's that fit our system best. Just a thought.

[painekiller]

Perhaps I can draft the BPA in the first, take the best RB in the 2nd, the best OL/DL in the 3rd and 4th, and then grab DB's that fit our system best. Just a thought.

OK I will try this:

1 Mike Iupati OG Idaho
2 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
3 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
4 Linval Joseph* DT East Carolina
5 Donovan Warren* CB Michigan
6 Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
6 Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech
7 Zane Beadles OG Utah

Sorry I had to grab a RB in the 6th because McNair said we are taking two of them.

[Roy P]

OK I will try this:

1 Mike Iupati OG Idaho
2 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
3 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
4 Linval Joseph* DT East Carolina
5 Donovan Warren* CB Michigan
6 Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
6 Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech
7 Zane Beadles OG Utah

Sorry I had to grab a RB in the 6th because McNair said we are taking two of them.

I thought about pulling a Duane Brown and reaching for a need in the first round...

1. Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
2. Ben Tate RB Auburn
3. Geno Atkins DT Georgia
4. Linval Joseph DT ECU
5. James Starks RB Buffalo (my 2nd RB)
6. Brian Jackson FS Oklahoma
6. Alterraun Verner CB UCLA
7. Daniel Te'o-Nesheim DE Washington (There's NO way he's a 7th round pick)
FA. Crezdon Butler CB Clemson (Did I mention Calvin Johnson was held to 0 catches when he played Clemson?)

[gunn]

I thought about pulling a Duane Brown and reaching for a need in the first round...

1. Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
2. Ben Tate RB Auburn
3. Geno Atkins DT Georgia
4. Linval Joseph DT ECU
5. James Starks RB Buffalo (my 2nd RB)
6. Brian Jackson FS Oklahoma
6. Alterraun Verner CB UCLA
7. Daniel Te'o-Nesheim DE Washington (There's NO way he's a 7th round pick)
FA. Crezdon Butler CB Clemson (Did I mention Calvin Johnson was held to 0 catches when he played Clemson?)

I think this organization has shown that it can put together some quality drafts.... This doesn't match that in my opinion.

[Roy P]

I think this organization has shown that it can put together some quality drafts.... This doesn't match that in my opinion.

Really?

2009 - Houston Texans
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Brian Cushing LB USC
2 46 Connor Barwin DE Cincinnati
3 77 Antoine Caldwell C Alabama
4 112 Glover Quin DB New Mexico
4 122 Anthony Hill TE North Carolina State
5 152 James Casey TE Rice
6 188 Brice McCain DB Utah
7 223 Troy Nolan DB Arizona State
2008 - Houston Texans

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 26 Duane Brown T Virginia Tech
3 79 Antwaun Molden CB Eastern Kentucky
3 89 Steve Slaton RB West Virginia
4 118 Xavier Adibi OLB Virginia Tech
5 151 Frank Okam DT Texas
6 173 Dominique Barber FS Minnesota
7 223 Alex Brink QB Washington State

2007 - Houston Texans
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
3 73 Jacoby Jones WR Lane
4 123 Fred Bennett CB South Carolina
5 144 Brandon Harrison DB Stanford
5 163 Brandon Frye OT Virginia Tech
6 183 Kasey Studdard G Texas
7 218 Zach Diles LB Kansas State

[kRocket]

Amazing how many players from those three drafts are still on the team. The shows what crap Kubiak inherited.

[Blitzwood]

I thought about pulling a Duane Brown and reaching for a need in the first round...

1. Jon Asamoah OG Illinois


:eek:

lol

[popanot]

Man, it sure would be nice to get an unexpected, but much needed rebound in production from Fred Bennet. I've pretty much written off Molden as waisted pick and will be surprised if he makes it out of (or even to) camp this year.

[gunn]

Really?

Yep. I think this team is in need of 2-3 immediate impact players still and I don't feel as if that draft you put out there has a single player that could come in and make a significant immediate impact on this team. Aside from what I would consider major reaches with the first two picks you don't address a primary need (the secondary) until the 6th round. To me... that's just not getting the job done.

[Roy P]

Sorry I had to grab a RB in the 6th because McNair said we are taking two of them.

Ok, I just did a mock and drafted 2 RBs.

1. S Earl Thomas
2. OG Jon Asamoah
3. RB Ben Tate
4. RB Jonathan Dwyer
5. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
6. CB Kevin Thomas
6. LB Simoni Lawrence
7. CB Crezdon Butler

I think Dwyer may just be that short yardage back that had a slow 40 and has enough ???? to drop in the draft. Playing in the Option at Ga. Tech and being the FB, may perhaps make him a bargain. So much so, that I've put him back on my draftboard.

[texan]

Ok, I just did a mock and drafted 2 RBs.

1. S Earl Thomas
2. OG Jon Asamoah
3. RB Ben Tate
4. RB Jonathan Dwyer
5. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
6. CB Kevin Thomas
6. LB Simoni Lawrence
7. CB Crezdon Butler


Why are you waiting til the 6th round to fill our biggest need?

[nunusguy]

Why are you waiting til the 6th round to fill our biggest need?

I dunno but maybe he's planning on playing Thomas more as a corner than a safety ? This is one of Thomas's big selling points you know, his versitility.

[Roy P]

Why are you waiting til the 6th round to fill our biggest need?

1. S Earl Thomas
2. OG Jon Asamoah
3. RB Ben Tate
4. RB Jonathan Dwyer
5. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
6. CB Kevin Thomas
6. LB Simoni Lawrence
7. CB Crezdon Butler

I don't think that the draft is meant to be used to fill needs in a corresponding manner. In other words, if you have a priority of 1 at CB then you HAVE to draft a CB in the 1st round and if your second priority is at RB then the 2nd round draft pick has to be a RB, etc. The draft is meant to get the most talented players on your team with an eye towards needs. Earl Thomas should be a top 12 pick and since we need a FS, we would be crazy to pass on him. The interior OL needs upgrading or it won't matter who our RB is and Asamoah is the ONLY OG in this draft that has the athleticism to play in our ZBS and the TALENT to start. So, we could wait on Shawn Lauvao, but he won't make an impact. The team has no credible run threat, so defenses will be pinning their ears back and kill Schaub unless we make them respect the possibility of a running game. So, I went after Tate, mainly because I was afraid there would be no legitimate RBs later in the draft.

Now, to the main reason I waited until the 6th round to draft a CB. I have no faith in this CB class to be able to produce an all-around CB. I'd love to spend #20 and get Revis to shut down one side of the field. Unfortunately, this class doesn't have that type of CB in it. Either the guy is slow, or not physical, or can't play man coverage, or gets lost in Zone coverage, or can't tackle, has no ball skills for interceptions, or bites on play action. All of the CBs have weaknesses. So, I figure why not get a late round CB where I can choose which strengths I want. Kevin Thomas is a complete CB and the reason he's under the radar is because of a history of injuries. He held up pretty well as a Senior and tested well at the Combine, so I may have spent a 6th on him, but I think he'll plays as well as the 2nd round pick I would have spent on Kareem Jackson or Dominique Franks. Crezdon Butler has good awareness and ball skills. He's not as fast as I'd prefer, but he has good quickness and would be great in the slot. He'd be better than Brice McCain in my opinion. I also feel as if I've upgraded the Secondary immensely by putting Earl Thomas in the middle of the field, so my CBs can be of lesser talent. If I had known I could get Dwyer in the 4th round, I would have drafted Geno Atkins in the 3rd round to go along with Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, to improve the pass-rush, thus improving the secondary. You live and learn.

[Joe Joe]

The interior OL needs upgrading or it won't matter who our RB is ...

Disagree. The interior of the line needs upgrading, but the RB does matter. A guy that hits a hole as it is opening is going to do much better than one that waits till the hole is opened. Even if all the RB does is force the defense to stop him, he can keep DEs from pinning their ears back.

[Roy P]

Disagree. The interior of the line needs upgrading, but the RB does matter. A guy that hits a hole as it is opening is going to do much better than one that waits till the hole is opened. Even if all the RB does is force the defense to stop him, he can keep DEs from pinning their ears back.


The problem I saw was the DT tackling the RB as Schaub was handing off, or the OG being pushed into the backfield so that there was NO hole being opened.

[Joe Joe]

The problem I saw was the DT tackling the RB as Schaub was handing off, or the OG being pushed into the backfield so that there was NO hole being opened.

That happens, but no where near every play. It happened a lot the first two to three weeks. I saw a lot more times that the RB stops in the backfield or stutters trying to find a hole. If there is no hole, you get as far as you can and force the defense to make the tackle instead of waiting for defense to tackle you behind line of scrimmage. Doing this helps the RB fall forward.

Slaton was very slow to the line last season. Yes, the RB will be limited to get tackled behind the line of scrimmage a lot, but that doesn't change that the RB can do a lot in the plays that he is able to get quickly to the line.

[nunusguy]

The Texans' DC shows Brice McCain starting at one corner with some dude signed off of the NOLA practice squad named Mark Parson as his immediate backup ? Therefor I'm for moving in the Draft much before the 6th round to get what will be a very beleaguered twosome this Fall some help, even if the value falls short in earlier rounds.

[Roy P]

OK, for you chicken littles out there, here you go...

20. CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 186 4.48 Rutgers
51. CB/S Chris Cook 6'2" 210 4.46 Virginia
81. S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
118. CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
150. RB Joique Bell 5'11" 220 4.68 Wayne St
187. DT Earl Mitchell 6'2" 296 4.75 Arizona
197. OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State
227. OC Joe Hawley 6'3" 297 5.21 UNLV
UDFA. RB Pat Paschall 6'0" 209 4.65 N.Dakota State

[Roy P]

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

20 Dez Bryant* WR Oklahoma State
51 Nate Allen S South Florida
82 Amari Spievey* CB Iowa
119 Jarrett Brown QB West Virginia
151 Charles Scott RB LSU
188 Jeff Byers OG USC
198 Kion Wilson ILB South Florida
228 Kenny Alfred OC Washington State

Ok, updated my board and ran it against the draftsite.com mock tonight.

20. DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 5.17 Tennessee
51. CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 4.46 Florida St
82. CB/FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
119. RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
151. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
188. CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
198. CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
228. RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.

I will have to say that I'm pretty pleased with this draft. I'd have liked some OL prospects but this draft is kind of bare of talent in my opinion after the 2nd round. I got 1 very talented 1st rounder, followed by what I have as 3 2nd round talents (Robinson, Ghee, Tate), and 2 4th round talents (Te'o-Nesheim & Verner), and 2 5th round picks in Lindley and Miller. All of that without a single trade :) I wonder if the teams come out feeling that way after they draft. Scratching their heads wondering how they made out like bandits with all this talent. No wonder they all say how the draft was so wonderful. Your treasure is everyone else's trash.

[kRocket]

Ok, updated my board and ran it against the draftsite.com mock tonight.

I know we need some defensive backs but to draft 4 seems excessive. I believe I would rather see some offensive line people take the place of the late round picks. We can't add 4 DB's without cutting 3 of our own. They would have to be substantially better than what we have to make it not a waste of picks. I know simulators are hard to work with but did you get the outcome you wanted?

[nunusguy]

I know we need some defensive backs but to draft 4 seems excessive. I believe I would rather see some offensive line people take the place of the late round picks. We can't add 4 DB's without cutting 3 of our own. They would have to be substantially better than what we have to make it not a waste of picks. I know simulators are hard to work with but did you get the outcome you wanted?
Pay no attention, he's just being sarcastic about a comment from another poster.

[Roy P]

The Texans' DC shows Brice McCain starting at one corner with some dude signed off of the NOLA practice squad named Mark Parson as his immediate backup ?

LCB - Quinn, Reeves, Bennett
RCB - McCain, Parson
SS - Pollard, Ferguson
FS - Busing, Russell

After the draft....

LCB - Quinn, Reeves, Verner
RCB - Robinson, McCain, Lindley
SS - Pollard, Fuguson
FS - Ghee, Russell

Perhaps Lindley goes to the practice squad or perhaps he takes Bryan Pittman's spot on the roster and we let Joel Dreesen become the Long Snapper.

[nunusguy]

Strengths:
Outstanding athlete --- Excellent speed and acceleration --- Quick and agile --- Super fluid hips and transitions well --- Terrific feet --- Closes in a hurry and has a burst to recover --- Good height and bulk --- Strong with a chiseled physique --- Great leaping ability --- Good hands and ball skills --- Is effective in both man and zone coverage --- Tough, physical and feisty --- Gets a good jam at the line of scrimmage --- A decent tackler --- Still has lots of upside --- Fantastic program pedigree.

Weaknesses:
Inconsistent --- Concentration will wane --- Questionable instincts and awareness --- Is too aggressive at times --- Not a violent hitter --- Just an average run defender --- Some off-the-field issues --- Durability may be a concern --- Doesn't make enough impact plays --- Underachiever ?
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/CB/Patrick-Robinson.php
I've seen this same kind of ratings about Robinson on other Draft sites, which is he's arguably the most talented, certainly the best pure athlete of all the CBs but not at all instinctive, prone to be inconsistant.
But for all we know the Texans may rate him the best corner in the Draft ?

[Roy P]

Doesn't make enough impact plays --- Underachiever ?

certainly the best pure athlete of all the CBs but not at all instinctive, prone to be inconsistant.
But for all we know the Texans may rate him the best corner in the Draft ?

If they are like me, he's the 3rd best. Right behind Eric Berry & Earl Thomas. :D

[Nconroe]

I know DC is posted, but there are other safeties already on the roster, signed for another couple years, Eugene Wilson, Dominic Barber and Troy Nolan who were injured at end of 2009, but should be back. But who knows how draft and where upgrades will be, following BP when they do draft. 15 more days.

[painekiller]

OK the huddlerreport.com has updated their list.

What would I do with the guys in their order?
20 CB Kyle Wilson
51 RB Toby Gerhart
82 RB Ben Tate
119 DT Linval Joseph
151 OG Marshall Newhouse
188 OG/OC Jeff Byers
198 CB Joshua Moore
228 DT Jay Ross

They have a computer 6 round mock

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
51 CB Patrick Robinson Florida St
81 RB Anthony Dixon Mississippi St
118 QB Jarrett Brown West Virginia
150 S Myron Rolle Florida St
187 OG Jeff Byers USC
197 WR *Freddie Barnes Bowling Green

My cherry of the mock

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
51 DT Lamarr Houston Texas
81 CB Syd'Quan Thompson California
118 RB James Starks Buffalo
150 OG Marshall Newhouse TCU
187 OC Jeff Byers USC
197 CB Brian Jackson Oklahoma

[painekiller]

I could not sleep so I thought about a big change of pace.

Trade down with the Jets at 29, get Jets 2010 2nd (61), and give our 2011 4th

29 Maurkice Pouncey* OC Florida
51 Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
61 Major Wright* S Florida
81 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
118 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
135 Torrell Troup DT Central Florida
187 Lonyae Miller RB Fresno State
197 Donovan Warren* CB Michigan
227 Fendi Onobun TE Houston

The OL is fixed. You got one of the 3 best RB for your system. Wright and Murphy are big hitters. Troup could be the NT we have been looking for.

Alot of these picks come from here (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/03/the_most_complete_houston_texa.html)

[Roy P]

Trade down with the Jets at 29, get Jets 2010 2nd (61), and give our 2011 4th

29 Maurkice Pouncey* OC Florida
51 Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
61 Major Wright* S Florida
81 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
118 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
135 Torrell Troup DT Central Florida
187 Lonyae Miller RB Fresno State
197 Donovan Warren* CB Michigan
227 Fendi Onobun TE Houston


29 RB Ryan Matthews
51 FS Brandon Ghee
61 OG Jon Asamoah
81 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
135 CB Kevin Thomas
187 RB Andre Anderson
197 CB Crezdon Butler
227 WR Stephen Williams

I didn't want to draft a RB 1st, but after the trade down, he was the BPA. It was nice though, I was able to get Asamoah, Atkins, and Te'o-Nesheim to go along with Ghee. Since I was able to also get Thomas and Butler, it allows me to move Ghee to FS.

[Blitzwood]

1. Maurkice Pouncey, OC
2. Morgan Burnett, FS
3. Lamarr Houston, DT
4. Perrish Cox, CB
5. Charles Scott, RB
6a. Walter McFadden, CB
6b. Dexter McCluster, RB/WR
7. Kavell Conner, OLB

I went with REAL help on the offensive line in the 1st, no more 3-4 NT's tossing aside our C and blowing up plays. I chose Burnett because of his versatility, he can play any position in the backfield, but he'll most likely start at FS. I address the DT's next, Okoye now becomes a backup. I take a flyer on Cox in the 4th since he's still on the board. After addressing our O-line issue, I picked up the best downhill/goal line runner still available, Charles Scott, to complement Slaton and Foster in the 5th. In the 6th, I get some insurance at our two positions of biggest needs in case of injury OR any unforeseen knucklehead behavior. In the 7th round I find a new WILL to challenge our current 7th round WILL.

[painekiller]

A another site I like Great Blue North Draft Report (http://www.gbnreport.com/index.htm) has a ranking of the top 250 players, it title top 100 but has been expanded.

Using their ranking I would take:
20 Maurkice Pouncey C Florida BPA available with no trade down available, Smith Pouncey Caldwell would be the middle starters
51 Nate Allen FS South Florida
81 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
119 Mike Johnson OG Alabama Makes Smith a backup at some point
151 Zane Beadles OG Utah more versatile depth, never to much depth
187 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
197 Reji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Vince Oghobaase DT Duke

Boy I want some more picks in the late 2nd to 5th rounds.

[Roy P]

A another site I like Great Blue North Draft Report (http://www.gbnreport.com/index.htm)

I would take:
20 Maurkice Pouncey C Florida BPA available with no trade down available, Smith Pouncey Caldwell would be the middle starters
51 Nate Allen FS South Florida
81 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
119 Mike Johnson OG Alabama Makes Smith a backup at some point
151 Zane Beadles OG Utah more versatile depth, never to much depth
187 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
197 Reji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Vince Oghobaase DT Duke

I don't think that I like this mock draft very much since I came away with 3 OL, a QB, and no RBs? :( I suppose at some point I should have came off the board and reached, but the RB's & CB's kept coming off right before I picked.

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon - BPA
51 OG Jon Asamoah - Can paly C or RG
81 DT Geno Atkins - pass rush from the middle
118 OC JD Walton - severely underrated on this board.
150 QB Dan LeFevour - I know, but I just couldn't pass at this point.
187 S Robert Johnson - A ballhawk to get INTs
197 OC Eric Olsen - BPA at this point
227 CB Crezdon Butler - I got one CB.

[painekiller]

I don't think that I like this mock draft very much since I came away with 3 OL, a QB, and no RBs? :( I suppose at some point I should have came off the board and reached, but the RB's & CB's kept coming off right before I picked.


I had to go way down his list to grab the DBs I wanted, and I still ended up with way to many OL guys. I am not impressed with the signing of Smith, and my mock makes him a one year and drop guy, but 3 rookies at any position is alot. A couple of the OL guys I drafted could play OT in a pinch.

I thought about taking Skelton, but had bigger needs yet to fill. I also wanted to take Gerhart but he was rated a low 2nd rounder and I did not see him as a 51st pick, at least not for us. A trade down in the 1st would gather another 2nd or 3rd pick and could be a big help.

[kRocket]

I don't think that I like this mock draft very much since I came away with 3 OL, a QB, and no RBs? :( I suppose at some point I should have came off the board and reached, but the RB's & CB's kept coming off right before I picked.

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon - BPA
51 OG Jon Asamoah - Can paly C or RG
81 DT Geno Atkins - pass rush from the middle
118 OC JD Walton - severely underrated on this board.
150 QB Dan LeFevour - I know, but I just couldn't pass at this point.
187 S Robert Johnson - A ballhawk to get INTs
197 OC Eric Olsen - BPA at this point
227 CB Crezdon Butler - I got one CB.

I don't mean this as a criticism Roy but, you seem to be in love with Geno Atkins. He has been prominent in every draft you have mocked for the last 2 weeks or so. It could be skewing your whole draft a bit to be so bent on that one person. Might be why you are having trouble pulling off the draft you want to make or maybe he is good enough to make the draft!

[painekiller]

I don't mean this as a criticism Roy but, you seem to be in love with Geno Atkins. He has been prominent in every draft you have mocked for the last 2 weeks or so. It could be skewing your whole draft a bit to be so bent on that one person. Might be why you are having trouble pulling off the draft you want to make or maybe he is good enough to make the draft!

Here is what John Harris (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/03/the_most_complete_houston_texa.html) said about Atkins

Geno Atkins, Georgia - gosh, I don't like this marriage at all (he's downright miniature for a defensive tackle in a 4-3), but Atkins made a beautiful showing against Mike Iupati in the Senior Bowl. If you're a Iupati fan, then you have to love Atkins. But, boy, he's tiny. Late third might work for Atkins, perhaps too late for the Texans but he's an effort guy with a ton of quickness.

[Roy P]

I don't mean this as a criticism Roy but, you seem to be in love with Geno Atkins!

I just did a reshuffling of my draftboard and ran it against DraftTek simulator. This was my loot.

20 OG Trent Williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-icEPTOeKhk
51 FS Brandon Ghee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caoFYBPKZVA&feature=PlayList&p=1FE0EC0E03D02D8E&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=12
81 RB Toby Gerhart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw
118 DT Torrell Troup
150 CB Kevin Thomas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TltqT7D8D_I&NR=1
187 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLGeSdHgO0
197 RB Andre Anderson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtUuseJjmCE
227 WR Stephen Williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehMxI_i61xE

I will admit that I think Geno Atkins is awesome as a 3-Tech in our system. He gets penetration and he is not 'tiny' by any stretch of the imagination. He was 6'2" 293lbs at the Combine and still ran a 4.75, 4.43 - Shuttle, 7.33 - Cone. Rahim Alem would qualify as 'tiny' at 6'3" 251lbs and he put up 4.75, 4.80 - shuttle, 7.54 - Cone. Oh by the way, Amobi Okoye is 6'2" 296lbs, I'm sure those extra 3lbs are the difference.

[Roy P]

I also wanted to take Gerhart but he was rated a low 2nd rounder and I did not see him as a 51st pick, at least not for us. A trade down in the 1st would gather another 2nd or 3rd pick and could be a big help.

Right now, Gerhart's average mock draft "value" is about 59th pick overall. Of course, there's flucuations from 33 - 104.

I just see a lot of meat on the bone from the 2nd to the top of the 4th round. Perhaps trading down in the 1st, trading down in the 2nd, and trading up in the 4th with next year's 3rd round pick could be accomplished. The DB, RB, OL, and DL talent is right there in the 30's - 120's.

[Roy P]

The DB, RB, OL, and DL talent is right there in the 30's - 120's.

Just going by my draft board, these are the guys I'm targeting in rounds 2 - 4

FS Brandon Ghee
RB Ben Tate
RB Toby Gerhart
DT Geno Atkins
RB Montario Hardesty
DT Tyson Alualu
DT Lamarr Houston
OG Rodger Saffold
OG Jon Asamoah
OG John Jerry
RB Jonathan Dwyer
DT Linval Joseph
S Darrell Stuckey
FS Major Wright
CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
DT Torrell Troup
FS Chris Cook
QB Dan LeFevour
RB Anthony Dixon
LB Dekoda Watson
CB Kevin Thomas
DT Mike Neal
CB Alterraun Verner
OC JD Walton

[Blitzwood]

29 RB Ryan Matthews
51 FS Brandon Ghee
61 OG Jon Asamoah
81 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
135 CB Kevin Thomas
187 RB Andre Anderson
197 CB Crezdon Butler
227 WR Stephen Williams



Using that trade, and I truly feel we will trade down in the first, I came up with:

29. Kareem Jackson CB
51. Ben Tate RB
61. Lamarr Houston DT
81. Myron Lewis FS/CB
118. Eric Olsen OC/LG
135. Torrell Troup DT
187. Chris Scott OT
197. Simoni Lawrence OLB
227. Lindsey Witten DE


This is probably my most satisfying draft to date.

[painekiller]

Right now, Gerhart's average mock draft "value" is about 59th pick overall. Of course, there's flucuations from 33 - 104.

I just see a lot of meat on the bone from the 2nd to the top of the 4th round. Perhaps trading down in the 1st, trading down in the 2nd, and trading up in the 4th with next year's 3rd round pick could be accomplished. The DB, RB, OL, and DL talent is right there in the 30's - 120's.

I should have been clearer, pick #59 is late 2nd IMO. Not a huge reach at all, IMO, but I wanted to grab one of the better DBs in one of the 1st two rounds, and Pouncey was my 1st rounder, so....

What about doing this: Trade down with Jets get 29 and 61
Trade 81 down with the Chargers get 91 and 126
Trade 2011 2nd to Eagles for #70

29 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
51 Nate Allen FS South Florida
61 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
70 *Linval Joseph NT East Carolina
91 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
118 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
126 J.D. Walton C Baylor
151 Zane Beadles OG Utah more versatile depth, never to much depth
187 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
197 Reji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Mike McLaughlin LB/LS Boston College


We get a CB that can start Day1, a FS that should push Eugene Wilson for playing time, and is a huge hitter. Houston and Joseph add two solid pieces to our DL. Murphy is a steal at 91 and should see the field and is another huge hitter. Johnson, Walton, Beadles all push the veteran in front of them. Anderson and Karim add to the RB depth, and McLaughlin is still recovering from a achilles injury and can long snap, adds depth to LS position.

11 guys that all have a shot at the roster.

[dalemurphy]

I should have been clearer, pick #59 is late 2nd IMO. Not a huge reach at all, IMO, but I wanted to grab one of the better DBs in one of the 1st two rounds, and Pouncey was my 1st rounder, so....

What about doing this: Trade down with Jets get 29 and 61
Trade 81 down with the Chargers get 91 and 126
Trade 2011 2nd to Eagles for #70

29 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
51 Nate Allen FS South Florida
61 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
70 *Linval Joseph NT East Carolina
91 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
118 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
126 J.D. Walton C Baylor
151 Zane Beadles OG Utah more versatile depth, never to much depth
187 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
197 Reji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Mike McLaughlin LB/LS Boston College


We get a CB that can start Day1, a FS that should push Eugene Wilson for playing time, and is a huge hitter. Houston and Joseph add two solid pieces to our DL. Murphy is a steal at 91 and should see the field and is another huge hitter. Johnson, Walton, Beadles all push the veteran in front of them. Anderson and Karim add to the RB depth, and McLaughlin is still recovering from a achilles injury and can long snap, adds depth to LS position.

11 guys that all have a shot at the roster.


I love adding draftpicks and trading down. However, I think you went a little overboard. Thinking about a 53 man roster, you are creating too much inexperienced competition on the back end of it.

For example:

CB: Reeves, Quin are the starters. add McCourty to that and you have three keeper CBs for sure. Then, the final two roster spots go to: Fred Bennett, Molden, B.McCain, and Jerome Murphy (3rd)..... Good riddance to Bennett, probably, but after that, you are either forcing out your 3rd round pick, Molden, or McCain and I'm not ready to that with any of those three yet.

Interior OLine: You are adding 3 mid round picks to this group: Briesel, White, Myers, Caldwell, Studdard, W. Smith... we won't keep more than 6 in total, but more likely only 5: so, if CWhite gets cut, and one of those rookies can clear waiver to the P.S., you are still in a position to have to cut 1 or two from the rest of that group.

It's an interesting situation we are in... being so young. With that in mind, I do have trading down in the 1st and maybe 2nd, but I think accumulating picks in the 5th and 6th rounds, for instance, is likely to be counter-productive... particularly at the expense of 2011 draft picks.

[painekiller]

I love adding draftpicks and trading down. However, I think you went a little overboard. Thinking about a 53 man roster, you are creating too much inexperienced competition on the back end of it.

For example:

CB: Reeves, Quin are the starters. add McCourty to that and you have three keeper CBs for sure. Then, the final two roster spots go to: Fred Bennett, Molden, B.McCain, and Jerome Murphy (3rd)..... Good riddance to Bennett, probably, but after that, you are either forcing out your 3rd round pick, Molden, or McCain and I'm not ready to that with any of those three yet.

Interior OLine: You are adding 3 mid round picks to this group: Briesel, White, Myers, Caldwell, Studdard, W. Smith... we won't keep more than 6 in total, but more likely only 5: so, if CWhite gets cut, and one of those rookies can clear waiver to the P.S., you are still in a position to have to cut 1 or two from the rest of that group.

It's an interesting situation we are in... being so young. With that in mind, I do have trading down in the 1st and maybe 2nd, but I think accumulating picks in the 5th and 6th rounds, for instance, is likely to be counter-productive... particularly at the expense of 2011 draft picks.

First off, this is a mock to see what is possible and who is there at what locations. Smith and Kubiak will never go with this. One of these moves is about all they might do. But on the OL last year we kept 10 players, 3 were OTs so that is 7 guys. I have not heard anything yet on Briesel is he practicing? His Lisfranc injury is not a slam dunk to come back from. Also losing Studdard and White is not a huge deal IMO.

Of the DBs I agree we still do not know where some of the young guys stand.

[Roy P]

What about doing this: Trade down with Jets get 29 and 61
Trade 81 down with the Chargers get 91 and 126
Trade 2011 2nd to Eagles for #70

29 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
51 Nate Allen FS South Florida
61 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
70 *Linval Joseph NT East Carolina
91 Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
118 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
126 J.D. Walton C Baylor
151 Zane Beadles OG Utah more versatile depth, never to much depth
187 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
197 Reji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Mike McLaughlin LB/LS Boston College

11 guys that all have a shot at the roster.

Ok, some how I didn't draft any OL, but I'm still fine with this draft using my board....

29 CB Patrick Robinson - Depends on the day which I like more.
51 FS Brandon Ghee - Willing to put him deep.
61 RB Ben Tate - My favorite RB
70 RB Toby Gerhart - My favorite short-yardage RB
91 DT Geno Atkins - I like him and so will you.
118 DT Torrell Troup - Linval Joseph seems to be too high.
126 LB Dekoda Watson - WILL competition/Special Teams
151 CB Kevin Thomas - CB steal of the draft.
187 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim - Pass rusher to rotate
197 WR Stephen Williams - RedZone specialist
227 LB Simoni Lawrence - WILL competition/Special Teams.

[Roy P]

The one above was vs. DraftTek and this one is vs. Draftsite and there isn't much change....

29 LB Sean Weatherspoon
51 CB Devin McCourty
61 RB Ben Tate
70 RB Toby Gerhart
91 DT Geno Atkins
118 DT Torrell Troup
126 CB Kevin Thomas
151 CB Alterraun Verner
187 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
197 S Robert Johnson
227 WR Stephen Williams

I got 3 CBs and a FS. I actually like all of my DB's and think they could all beat out players we have on the roster. Once again, no OL to put in the middle to block for Tate and Gerhart. Makes me wonder if we will 'reach' in real life just to fill that need.

[dalemurphy]

First off, this is a mock to see what is possible and who is there at what locations. Smith and Kubiak will never go with this. One of these moves is about all they might do. But on the OL last year we kept 10 players, 3 were OTs so that is 7 guys. I have not heard anything yet on Briesel is he practicing? His Lisfranc injury is not a slam dunk to come back from. Also losing Studdard and White is not a huge deal IMO.

Of the DBs I agree we still do not know where some of the young guys stand.

Sure, but we had Pitts last year, who could play the tackle position if needed. Perhaps they feel that way about Wade Smith, but I'm not sure. Anyway, the point is that our youth and depth are actually very good in almost every position (other than safety, RB)... we need to upgrade the front end of the roster in a couple places: RB, CB, DT, C/G... so, trading down in order to accumulate picks after round 3 seems unlikely to me simply because drafting 6+ players on the final day will likely result in most of those players not making the team, or displacing quality youth and depth already in place.

[painekiller]

drafttec has a new mock (http://drafttek.com/round12010.asp)

20 Devin McCourty Rutgers CB
51 John Jerry Mississippi OG
81 Ben Tate Auburn RB
118 Dorin Dickerson Pittsburgh TE
150 Daniel Te'o-nesheim Washington DE
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Corey Peters Kentucky DT
227 Freddie Barnes Bowling Green WR

Again starts well enough

20 Maurkice Pouncey Florida OC
51 Dominique Franks Oklahoma CB
81 Toby Gerhart Stanford RB
118 Linval Joseph East Carolina DT
150 Donovan Warren Michigan CB
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Jeff Byers USC OG/OC
227 Jameson Konz Kent State FB/TE/WR/Hback

Pouncey is considered one of the best OC to come out in years by the experts, gives us the guy that can handle the better NTs in the league. Franks has been in for a workout and is suppose to be on the radar. Gerhart is a Riggins clone, a 4th quarter type guy to eat up the clock. Joseph is a run stopper with excellent upper body strength. Warren is young and raw with a large up side. Johnson has been on a visit to Houston, on the radar. Byers is a hard nose type. Konz is raw with measurable off the chart

[NBT]

If he is still there at #81 I say Toby Gerheart would be perfect for Kubiak's offense. Gets the tough yards when they are needed.

[Roy P]

drafttec has a new mock (http://drafttek.com/round12010.asp)

20 Devin McCourty Rutgers CB
51 John Jerry Mississippi OG
81 Ben Tate Auburn RB
118 Dorin Dickerson Pittsburgh TE
150 Daniel Te'o-nesheim Washington DE
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Corey Peters Kentucky DT
227 Freddie Barnes Bowling Green WR



Wow, these guys must have been using my draft board. This is what I came out with...

20 CB Devin McCourty
51 FS Brandon Ghee
81 RB Ben Tate
118 DT Linval Joseph
150 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 S Robert Johnson
197 RB Andre Anderson
227 WR Stephen Williams

I'm wondering if perhaps I should put Jerry higher up on my draft board. I could get a FS like Robert Johnson and a CB like Crezdon Butler late in the draft. There just aren't any OL like John Jerry in the draft after the 2nd round.

[painekiller]

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

20 Dan Williams DT Tennessee
51 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
81 Dexter McCluster RB Mississippi
118 Mitch Petrus OG Arkansas
150 Andre Roberts WR Citadel
187 Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech
197 Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky
227 Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State

Not a bad one, but no real RB, I like McCluster for his mismatches but he is not a every down back. Petrus is off my list, Thanks Roy.

My Cherry Pick

20 Dan Williams DT Tennessee
51 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
81 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Jeff Owens DT Georgia
187 Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech
197 Adam Ulatoski OT Texas
227 Kevin Matthews OC Texas A&M

[kRocket]

PK - I really liked your cherry pick until 6b and maybe 7. Adam Ulatoski can be picked up for camp fodder as a UDFA more likely and IDK if Matthews wants to play for his dad, but if he does then go for him. We can do better in the 6th IMO.

[Roy P]

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

My Cherry Pick

20 Dan Williams DT Tennessee
51 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
81 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Jeff Owens DT Georgia
187 Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech
197 Adam Ulatoski OT Texas
227 Kevin Matthews OC Texas A&M

Anytime we can get Dan Williams and Devin McCourty without any trades, I'm a little skeptical. Sort of like when we were drafting Williams and Weatherspoon. However, I'll play along and see what my draft board yields...

20. DT Dan Williams
51. CB Devin McCourty
81. OG John Jerry
118. RB Ben Tate

At this point, I could care less what happens. I'm so freakin' happy I must be dreaming.

150. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187. CB Alterraun Verner
197. S Robert Johnson
227. RB Andre Anderson

Who knew that the way to improve the running game included adding Ben & Jerry :)

[Bigtinylittle]

Anytime we can get Dan Williams and Devin McCourty without any trades, I'm a little skeptical. Sort of like when we were drafting Williams and Weatherspoon. However, I'll play along and see what my draft board yields...

20. DT Dan Williams
51. CB Devin McCourty
81. OG John Jerry
118. RB Ben Tate

At this point, I could care less what happens. I'm so freakin' happy I must be dreaming.

150. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187. CB Alterraun Verner
197. S Robert Johnson
227. RB Andre Anderson

Who knew that the way to improve the running game included adding Ben & Jerry :)


I can see it now! We'll call it the ice cream offense and our new cheer will be "You scream, I scream, we all scream for ice cream!!!"

[painekiller]

Sporting News has a 7 round Mock (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/mock_draft?season=2010)

they have us taking

1. CJ Spiller RB
Texans officials would be giddy if Spiller were to slip this far and would waste no time drafting him. Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews is the fallback option.
2. Perrish Cox CB
The Texans need a cornerback after losing Dunta Robinson. Cox likely would have been a first-round pick if not for concerns about his off-field behavior.
3. Linval Joseph DT
4. Darrell Stuckey S
5. Zane Beadles G
6. John Estes C
6. Cory Jackson FB
7. Trindon Holliday WR

My Cherry Pick is:

20 C.J. Spiller RB Clemson unless I can trade down, not many option here.
51 Kareem Jackson CB
81 Linval Joseph DT East Carolina
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Torrell Troup DT UCF
187 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah S Indiana (PA)
197 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
227 John Skelton QB Fordham

This is one of the worse draft boards I have seen. IMO No way Skelton is a 7th rounder, the late 1st sucks and the early 2nd is loaded. Dan Williams is there 85 best player....
John Skelton QB Fordham

[kRocket]

Sporting News has a 7 round Mock (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/mock_draft?season=2010)This is one of the worse draft boards I have seen. IMO No way Skelton is a 7th rounder, the late 1st sucks and the early 2nd is loaded. Dan Williams is there 85 best player....
John Skelton QB Fordham I agree, but that is what makes it a horse race. We will know shortly !!:)

[HPF Bob]

Using the original Draftsite.com (http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/index.php?page=1) mock which appears to be updated to include recent trades, shows the Texans with:

1. 20: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
2. 51: Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
3. 81: Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss
4. 118: Mitch Petrus, OG, Arkansas
5. 150: Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel
6. 187: Kam Chancellor, S, Virginia Tech (fulfilling our Va Tech draft quota)
6. 197: Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky
7. 227: Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma St.

Not having done as much study as usual, here's my cherry pick:

1. 20: Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno St.
2. 51: Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
3. 81: Mike Johnson, OG, Alabama
4. 118: Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma St. (bet he goes earlier than this)
5. 150: Corey Peters, DT, Kentucky
6. 187: Andre Dixon, RB, Connecticut
6. 197: Justin Cole, DE, San Jose St.
7. 227: Kevin Matthews, C, Texas A&M

[painekiller]

1. 20: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
2. 51: Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
3. 81: Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss
4. 118: Mitch Petrus, OG, Arkansas
5. 150: Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel
6. 187: Kam Chancellor, S, Virginia Tech (fulfilling our Va Tech draft quota)
6. 197: Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky
7. 227: Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma St.

Would you be willing to trade out of the 1st for say Denver's #43 and #45? We than can go
43 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
45 Nate Allen S South Florida
51 Linval Joseph* DT East Carolina
81 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
118 Ben Tate RB Auborn

Defense goes off the chart, your back end gets a lot tougher and your DL jumps up in it's ability to move the pocket, and disrupt the run. OL is a still an issue, unless you go early.

And/or would you be willing to trade next years 1st for Philly's 2nd round pick # 37 and select someone like Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech, who is rumored to be on the Texans radar?

[Blitzwood]

I used walterfootball.com (http://http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php) since they updated their mock today(4/15) and extented it to 6 rounds. They have us taking:

20. Earl Thomas FS (don't think he'll be around)
51. Ben Tate RB ( look familiar)
81. Amari Spievey CB
118. D'Anthony Smith DT
150. Blair White WR
187. Patrick Stoudamire CB
197. Alex Daniels DE

In this scenario I have the Texans trading their 20th pick for Cleveland's 2nd (38) and two out of their three third rounders (71 and 85). Holmgren knows how to be successful in this league and keep draft analysts guessing. He does it again this year by selecting Clausen at 7 without a doubt, but then the obvious qusetion becomes -who's he gonna throw it to? That's where we come in and select Demaryius Thomas for them, a potential number one. This also helps Kubiak/Smith immensely, he knows the quality depth this draft has in the early to middle rounds. Everyone wins with this trade. I have us selecting:

38. Kareem Jackson CB
51. Lamarr Houston DT
71. Jamar Chaney OLB
81. Amari Spievey CB
85. Jonathan Dwyer RB
118. Myron Lewis FS
150. Trindon Holliday PR/RB
187. Sergio Render OG
197. Alex Daniels DE

[Roy P]

I used walterfootball.com (http://http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php)
Texans trading their 20th pick for Cleveland's 2nd (38) and two out of their three third rounders (71 and 85). Holmgren knows how to be successful in this league and keep draft analysts guessing. He does it again this year by selecting Clausen at 7 without a doubt, but then the obvious qusetion becomes -who's he gonna throw it to? That's where we come in and select Demaryius Thomas for them, a potential number one. This also helps Kubiak/Smith immensely, he knows the quality depth this draft has in the early to middle rounds. Everyone wins with this trade. I have us selecting:

38. Kareem Jackson CB
51. Lamarr Houston DT
71. Jamar Chaney OLB
81. Amari Spievey CB
85. Jonathan Dwyer RB
118. Myron Lewis FS
150. Trindon Holliday PR/RB
187. Sergio Render OG
197. Alex Daniels DE

38. CB Patrick Robinson - May be as good as Kyle Wilson
51. OG John Jerry - Run game improves and pass blocking too.
71. RB Toby Gerhart - Short yardage guy
81. RB Montario Hardesty - Insurance vs. injury
85. S Darrell Stuckey - I just like him too much to pass
118. QB Dan LeFevour - Keeps him out of Jax or Tenn (Te'o-Nesheim off board)
150. CB Kevin Thomas - Makes Molden expendable
187. FS Brian Jackson - Will compete with Stuckey for FS slot
197. WR Stephen Williams - My favorite WR not named Benn
227. OG Shelley Smith - Colorado kid with athleticism

The biggest problem is DL

[painekiller]

I used walterfootball.com (http://http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php)

38. Kareem Jackson CB
51. Lamarr Houston DT
71. Jamar Chaney OLB
81. Amari Spievey CB
85. Jonathan Dwyer RB
118. Myron Lewis FS
150. Trindon Holliday PR/RB
187. Sergio Render OG
197. Alex Daniels DE

I'll play with your trade:

38 Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
51 Lamarr Houston, DT, Texas
71 Major Wright, FS, Florida
81 Amari Spievey CB
85 Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee
118 Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford
150 Jeff Byers, C/G, USC
187 Sergio Render, G, Virginia Tech
197 Stevenson Sylvester, OLB, Utah
227 Shelley Smith, OG Colorado State

[dalemurphy]

How about this trade: 20 and 197 to Phillie for 37, 70, 105

Here is a mock using Sporting News and then one using Walter with that trade in mind:

Sporting News
37.Kareem Jackson (cb)
51.Brian Price (dt)
70.Toby Gerhart (rb)
81.Hardesty (rb)
105.Tennant (c)
118. B Ghee (cb)
150. Myron Rolle (s)
187. Owasu-Ansah (s)
227. Skelton (qb)

Walter
37. Nate Allen (s)
51. Patrick Robinson (cb)
70. John Jerry (g)
81. J Dwyer (rb)
105. Tennant (c)
118. D'Anthony Smith (dt)
150. Joique Bell (rb)
187. Rashawn Jackson (fb)

[nunusguy]

9 QB Tim Tebow Florida
I know you all think I'm crazy but the truth is this kid (for the Bills) is a dream come true. Trading down if all three offensive tackles are taken is an option. The talk of the draft will be Tebow to the Bills if the LT's are gone.
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/ppSD/protected/mocks/DREW.shtml
**********************************
Drew Boylhart continues to provide giggles and grins with his latest mock -
Tebow in the top 10. Right !
For further amusement he's also got us taking Dan Williams at #20. I mean who (besides Boylhart) actually thinks Dan Williams, the absolute best pure NT in this Draft, isn't taken by somebody in the first 19 picks with the NFL stampeding en masse to the 3-4 ?

[painekiller]

Drew Boylhart continues to provide giggles and grins with his latest mock -
Tebow in the top 10. Right !
For further amusement he's also got us taking Dan Williams at #20. I mean who (besides Boylhart) actually thinks Dan Williams, the absolute best pure NT in this Draft, isn't taken by somebody in the first 19 picks with the NFL stampeding en masse to the 3-4 ?

The Sporting News has Dan Williams ranked 85th (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/super99?next_50=1&season=2010)

here is there DT ranking
1 Ndamukong Suh
(Nebraska, DT) 6'3" 307 5.10 32 1.75 2.93 35.5 105.0 4.45 7.22 --
2 Gerald McCoy
(Oklahoma, DT) 6'4" 295 5.05 23 1.73 2.90 30.5 114.0 4.49 7.33 --
3 D'Anthony Smith
(Louisiana Tech, DT) 6'2" 304 4.91 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
4 Jared Odrick
(Penn State, DT) 6'5" 304 5.10 26 1.79 2.95 29.0 106.0 4.60 7.21 --
5 Brian Price
(UCLA, DT) 6'1" 303 5.16 34 1.74 2.93 28.5 96.0 -- -- --
6 Geno Atkins
(Georgia, DT) 6'1" 293 4.86 34 1.74 2.69 33.0 117.0 4.44 7.34 --
7 Arthur Jones
(Syracuse, DT) 6'3" 301 5.06 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
8 Lamarr Houston
(Texas, DT) 6'2" 305 4.88 30 1.65 2.84 33.5 114.0 4.72 7.62 --
9 Jeff Owens
(Georgia, DT) 6'1" 304 5.05 44 1.74 2.95 30.0 101.0 4.68 -- --
10 Al Woods
(LSU, DT) 6'3" 309 5.15 -- 1.74 3.01 37.0 109.0 4.67 7.45 --
11 Linval Joseph
(East Carolina, DT) 6'4" 328 5.10 39 1.80 2.99 30.0 100.0 4.72 8.12 --
12 Dan Williams
(Tennessee, DT) 6'2" 327 5.28 27 1.81 3.08 32.0 96.0 4.88 7.89 --
13 Cam Thomas
(North Carolina, DT) 6'4" 330 5.33 31 1.79 3.06 29.0 102.0 4.78 7.70 --
14 Earl Mitchell
(Arizona, DT) 6'1" 296 4.75 25 1.63 2.77 28.5 107.0 4.56 7.68 --
15 Corey Peters
(Kentucky, DT) 6'3" 300 5.08 -- 1.81 2.95 33.0 98.0 4.77 7.57 --
16 Mike Neal
(Purdue, DT) 6'3" 294 4.94 31 1.71 2.85 33.0 113.0 4.54 7.54 --
17 Tyson Alualu
(California, DT) 6'2" 295 4.94 21 1.68 2.83 35.5 112.0 4.44 7.16 --
18 Terrence Cody
(Alabama, DT) 6'3" 349 5.72 -- 1.93 3.30 20.5 90.0 5.05 8.20 --
19 Brandon Deaderick
(Alabama, DT) 6'3" 314 5.30 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
20 Torrell Troup
(UCF, DT) 6'2" 314 5.18 34 1.81 2.99 29.0 98.0 4.72 7.63 --
21 Shaunte 'Boo' Robinson
(Wake Forest, DT) 6'1" 293 5.01 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
22 Andre Neblett
(Temple, DT) 6'0" 297 4.93 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
23 Kade Weston
(Georgia, DT) 6'4" 318 5.34 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
24 Aleric Mullins
(North Carolina, DT) 6'1" 321 4.99 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
25 Travis Ivey
(Maryland, DT) 6'3" 341 5.25 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
26 Nate Collins
(Virginia, DT) 6'2" 279 5.10 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
27 Ekom Udofia
(Stanford, DT) 6'1" 326 5.19 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
28 Vince Oghobaase
(Duke, DT) 6'5" 303 5.47 27 1.88 3.15 26.0 90.0 -- 7.85 --
29 Abe Karoma
(Western Illinois, DT) 6'2" 315 5.00 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
30 Jeff Fitzgerald
(Kansas State, DT) 6'3" 271 4.95 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
31 Cordarrow Thompson
(Virginia Tech, DT) 6'1" 302 5.19 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
32 Jaron Baston
(Missouri, DT) 6'0" 309 5.11 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
33 Nathan Pepper
(South Carolina, DT) 6'1" 300 5.10 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
34 Mick Williams
(Pittsburgh, DT) 6'1" 280 4.93 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
35 Trey Bryant
(Baylor, DT) 6'2" 310 5.15 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
36 Todd Denlinger
(Ohio State, DT) 6'2" 292 5.25 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
37 Ricardo Mathews
(Cincinnati, DT) 6'1" 286 4.97 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
38 Garrett Brown
(Minnesota, DT) 6'1" 309 5.26 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
39 Malcolm Sheppard
(Arkansas, DT) 6'2" 285 5.19 19 1.79 2.99 28.0 100.0 4.77 7.80 --
40 Jake Ricks
(Auburn, DT) 5'2" 290 5.11 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
41 Jeff Stehle
(Wisconsin, DT) 6'4" 297 4.99 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
42 Sirod Williams
(Illinois, DT) 6'0" 296 5.21 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
43 Kyle Love
(Mississippi State, DT) 6'1" 310 5.10 -- -- -- -- -- -- --

So Drew is not out of line, I can see him falling to us, but also would not be surprised if he goes at 13 or so...

[nunusguy]

So Drew is not out of line, I can see him falling to us, but also would not be surprised if he goes at 13 or so...

OK but please don't tell me you could see him falling to a mid-round pick (85th) ?
BTW did you know DB used to work as an advisor to former NY Gov Pataki ?

[painekiller]

OK but please don't tell me you could see him falling to a mid-round pick (85th) ?
BTW did you know DB used to work as an advisor to former NY Gov Pataki ?

No i did not know that about Drew.

If Williams at at our pick at 20 we should look real hard at him if we think we need a NT.

But we can also grab Linval Joseph, Torrell Troup, Cam Thomas, Terrence Cody, Brandon Deaderick, Ekom Udofia, Boo Robinson if we want a NT.

Or Geno Atkins, Lamarr Houston, Jeff Owens, Tyson Alualu types if we want an undertackle (Okoye is supposed to be an undertackle).

[nunusguy]

If Williams at at our pick at 20 we should look real hard at him if we think we need a NT.

But we can also grab Linval Joseph, Torrell Troup, Cam Thomas, Terrence Cody, Brandon Deaderick, Ekom Udofia, Boo Robinson if we want a NT.

Or Geno Atkins, Lamarr Houston, Jeff Owens, Tyson Alualu types if we want an undertackle (Okoye is supposed to be an undertackle).
I say make your picks into the strength of the Draft and therefor I'd like to use our first 2 picks on a CB & DT, the corner position of course is a bigger need area and then use the 3rd rounder on a back. However I'm worried they might use one of their first 2 picks on a back, maybe even Mathews with the top pick.

[Roy P]

I say make your picks into the strength of the Draft and therefor I'd like to use our first 2 picks on a CB & DT, the corner position of course is a bigger need area and then use the 3rd rounder on a back.

CB Patrick Robinson
DT Tyson Alualu
RB Anthony Dixon

Does that sound good? Cause that might be the best we can get.

[Roy P]

Another Mock where the CB/RB elude me until late

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon
51 OG John Jerry
81 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
150 CB Trevard Lindley
187 S Robert Johnson
197 RB Andre Anderson
227 CB Crezdon Butler

I'll have to get another RB in the UDFA pool. My first call will most likely go to Kentucky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIYtgIDhI2k&feature=related

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116949?tag=pageRow;pageContainer

03/18/2010 - NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Alfonso Smith, RB, Kentucky: Smith ran for only 712 yards in his four years at Kentucky, but the 6-0, 211-pound senior put on a show for scouts at his pro day with 4.38 40, 36" vertical, 19 reps. That size and speed, along with his ability as a reciever and kick returner, will intrigue a team enough to at least make a call to his agent on Saturday afternoon to secure his services after the draft - if he's not picked up late. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

[painekiller]

Another Mock where the CB/RB elude me until late

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon
51 OG John Jerry
81 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
150 CB Trevard Lindley
187 S Robert Johnson
197 RB Andre Anderson
227 CB Crezdon Butler

I'll have to get another RB in the UDFA pool. My first call will most likely go to Kentucky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIYtgIDhI2k&feature=related

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116949?tag=pageRow;pageContainer

03/18/2010 - NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Alfonso Smith, RB, Kentucky: Smith ran for only 712 yards in his four years at Kentucky, but the 6-0, 211-pound senior put on a show for scouts at his pro day with 4.38 40, 36" vertical, 19 reps. That size and speed, along with his ability as a reciever and kick returner, will intrigue a team enough to at least make a call to his agent on Saturday afternoon to secure his services after the draft - if he's not picked up late. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com


On another board i go to, a Kentucky fan was asked about Smith, he said to not even waste a roster space on the guy, he is not an instinctive runner, and he does not play to his pro day time.

[Roy P]

I thought there's not much harm in taking a guy as an UDFA and putting him on the practice squad to see if he develops. I think I'm just going to take Ben Tate in the 2nd round regardless of who is on the board. Then just hope that I can get an OL in the 3rd round like Asamoah, Jerry, or Walton.

This may be how I'd like the draft to turn out based upon filling needs with the best available talent....according to Draft Tek's Player List

20 CB Kyle Wilson
51 RB Ben Tate
81 OG Jon Asamoah
118 NT Linval Joseph
150 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 3T Earl Mitchell
197 S Robert Johnson
227 CB Crezdon Butler

[nunusguy]

CB Patrick Robinson
DT Tyson Alualu
RB Anthony Dixon

Does that sound good? Cause that might be the best we can get.
I like it !
Are you becoming a Patrick Robinson fan ? I thought he was the best CB in the SB game, but that's my only opportunity to see him as I never saw any of his FSU games ? Apparently the big knock on him during his college career was that he was "inconsistant".
I love Alualu, but there's so many good 3-Tech DT guys in this Draft that seriously really might be there for us in the second round.
Tell you what and I digress here, but I almost wish we had not drafted Connor Barwin last year, because Brandon Graham may be the single player who I was most impressed with from SB week, game and practice.

[Roy P]

I am impressed with Brandon Graham, but I think he's a 3/4 OLB. If he played on the Texans, we'd need to play him at the SAM, and that's where we have Cushing. Barwin was a very good pick in the 2nd round and I expect that we can expect 6 - 9 sacks from him this season as he was just learning the position last year and at the NFL level. Barwin's advantage over Graham is that he has more arm length and height, so he doesn't have to play as wide outside the OT to get to the QB.

When it comes to the CBs in the draft, I've made it known that I like them all about the same. They all have weaknesses that they bring. When they say that Robinson was 'inconsistent' that is a nice way to say he loses his focus. I don't know if he has ADD or what, but there are times during the game it looks like he is hypnotized and isn't paying attention to what he's doing. At other times, he looks like Champ Bailey, so go figure.

[Roy P]

Using the original Draftsite.com (http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/index.php?page=1) mock which appears to be updated to include recent trades, shows the Texans with:

1. 20: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
2. 51: Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
3. 81: Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss
4. 118: Mitch Petrus, OG, Arkansas
5. 150: Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel
6. 187: Kam Chancellor, S, Virginia Tech (fulfilling our Va Tech draft quota)
6. 197: Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky
7. 227: Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma St.



Since I've sworn to take Ben Tate at #51 regardless of who is available, this is what I got.

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon
51 RB Ben Tate
81 OG John Jerry
118 DT Lamarr Houston
150 CB Alterraun Verner
187 DT Earl Mitchell
197 S Robert Johnson
227 CB Crezdon Butler

I think I'm ready for the draft to start. I'm still waiting to see where Jason Campbell and Albert Haynesworth are traded. I think that the Jags will complete a trade with the Eagles so Phi can draft Earl Thomas to fill the void left behind from Brian Dawkins. The Jags can then select Tebow at #24.

[Blitzwood]

I am impressed with Brandon Graham, but I think he's a 3/4 OLB. If he played on the Texans, we'd need to play him at the SAM, and that's where we have Cushing. Barwin was a very good pick in the 2nd round and I expect that we can expect 6 - 9 sacks from him this season as he was just learning the position last year and at the NFL level. Barwin's advantage over Graham is that he has more arm length and height, so he doesn't have to play as wide outside the OT to get to the QB.



Would you play Dwight Freeney at the SAM? Because that's who he reminds me of, he was unblockable at the Senior Bowl. IMO, I think Barwin would make the better SAM or MIKE simply based on his size, speed, and TE experience.

[painekiller]

Would you play Dwight Freeney at the SAM? Because that's who he reminds me of, he was unblockable at the Senior Bowl. IMO, I think Barwin would make the better SAM or MIKE simply based on his size, speed, and TE experience.

I think you draft Graham and then draft Cody and go to a 3-4 with Barwin and Graham as OLBs, Cushing and Ryans as ILBs, your DE's are Mario and Smith backed up by Cody and Okoye, and NT is Cody and Okam.Then you have everyone attach the other side of the line of scrimmage on every play. No read and react, just attach attach attach. Heck bring Glanville in to be the DC.

[nunusguy]

Would you play Dwight Freeney at the SAM? Because that's who he reminds me of, he was unblockable at the Senior Bowl.
Yup, that's who I thought of myself almost immediately when I first saw him making fools of all those OTs in the one-on-one drills in practice. You'd almost want to draft the guy just to keep him out of your own division (damn I hope the Titans or Jags don't somehow end up with him !).
And even though he was undersized (like Freeney) they said the thought was he could play in the 4-3 at the next level because he was also so strong against the run, though I do think RP is right in that he'd be best in the 3-4
(but then I feel that way about Connor Barwin).
Hey BTW, I read somewhere that Grahmn tore-up Iowas Bulaga when they played each other in their Big Ten game.

[Roy P]

Would you play Dwight Freeney at the SAM?

If his arms were 30" - then I would. If Freeney was as slow as Graham, then I would. However, Graham is no Freeney. He is closer to Lamar Woodley, but Woodley has longer arms to fight off TE's and OT's.

[Blitzwood]

If his arms were 30" - then I would. If Freeney was as slow as Graham, then I would. However, Graham is no Freeney. He is closer to Lamar Woodley, but Woodley has longer arms to fight off TE's and OT's.

I saw on NFLN a few days ago a report that his arms were 32", either way, he's a very intriguing prospect. I honestly believe he'd be a better DE in a 4-3.

I also heard the report about Buluga, who I feel is a RT. I think our RT, Winston, would struggle against him as well. I'd be alright with taking Graham at 20 if we knew we were gonna start him opposite Mario, move Smith into Okoye's spot, and have Barwin fresh to relieve both ends to keep constant pressure on teams while Okoye would spell Smith.

[Roy P]

I'd be alright with taking Graham at 20 if we knew we were gonna start him opposite Mario, move Smith into Okoye's spot, and have Barwin fresh to relieve both ends to keep constant pressure on teams while Okoye would spell Smith.

See, that is the difference between us. I am wanting to do that exact same thing with pick #150 Daniel Te'o-Nesheim. :D

[painekiller]

How about this one?

Trade down in the 1st to Dallas for a 3rd and 4th round pick

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd trade to Washington for Albert Haynesworth
3rd 81 OG John Jerry Mississippi
3rd 90 RB Ben Tate Auburn
4th 118 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
4th 125 OG Zane Beadles Utah or Marshall Newhouse TCU
5th 150 CB Trevard Lindley Kentucky
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 LB Jacob Cutrera LSU

McCourty is the physical CB that the team likes. Haynesworth makes everyone on the line better, Smith Haynesworth Okoye Williams. Tate and Karim added to Slaton gives us a 3 headed monster. Our OL for 2011 becomes Brown Beadles Caldwell Jerry Winston size and quickness. Johnson is on the radar and is a physical safety.

Cutrera is just a name being thrown out there.

[Roy P]

How about this one?

Trade down in the 1st to Dallas for a 3rd and 4th round pick

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd trade to Washington for Albert Haynesworth
3rd 81 OG John Jerry Mississippi
3rd 90 RB Ben Tate Auburn
4th 118 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
4th 125 OG Zane Beadles Utah or Marshall Newhouse TCU
5th 150 CB Trevard Lindley Kentucky
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 LB Jacob Cutrera LSU

Cutrera is just a name being thrown out there.

I like it even without Haynesworth. Getting Joseph in the 4th round is like getting Haynesworth Jr. I seriously think Linval gets drafted in the 2nd round now so we might just use it to get him there. So, that 4th round pick could go to CB Alterraun Verner. I'm not as big of a fan of Beadles as you or DB are so I'd wait until #150 to get my other OL Shawn Lauvao. That frees me up to get that DE from Washington at #125. I saw DB's profile on Cutrera and wondered why I never really noticed him before. Wondering if I could get Arizona's Earl Mitchell at #227.

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd 50 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
3rd 81 OG John Jerry Mississippi
3rd 90 RB Ben Tate Auburn
4th 118 CB Alterraun Verner
4th 125 DE Daniel Te'O-Nesheim
5th 150 OG Shawn Lauvao
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 DT Earl Mitchell Arizona

[painekiller]

How about this one?

Trade down in the 1st to Dallas for a 3rd and 4th round pick

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd trade to Washington for Albert Haynesworth
3rd 81 OG John Jerry Mississippi
3rd 90 RB Ben Tate Auburn
4th 118 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
4th 125 OG Zane Beadles Utah or Marshall Newhouse TCU
5th 150 CB Trevard Lindley Kentucky
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 LB Jacob Cutrera LSU

McCourty is the physical CB that the team likes. Haynesworth makes everyone on the line better, Smith Haynesworth Okoye Williams. Tate and Karim added to Slaton gives us a 3 headed monster. Our OL for 2011 becomes Brown Beadles Caldwell Jerry Winston size and quickness. Johnson is on the radar and is a physical safety.

Cutrera is just a name being thrown out there.

OK Roy

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd 51 RB Toby Gerhart
3rd 81 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
3rd 90 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
4th 118 DT Torrell Troup Central Florida
4th 125 OG Zane Beadles Utah
5th 150 OG Shawn Lauvao
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 LB Jacob Cutrera LSU

Now the RBs are Slaton Gerhart and Karim, Thunder Lightning and Flash. McCourty starts with Quin, Owusu-Ansah push Quin and can play safety. Joseph and Troup play NT and will be part of the jumbo package on defense. Beadles and Lauvao are the OGs of the future. Johnson is solid.

for those that do not have the huddle report, get it,
Jacob Cutrera LB LSU


TALENT BOARD

Round 2



STRENGTHS

Jacob has the speed, football intelligence and instincts to play any one of the linebacker positions. He has the size and bulk right now to be an outside linebacker, but don't let that fool you. This kid is a complete, impactful linebacker. He shows excellent skills in pass coverage and a burst to the ball that not many linebackers in this draft have on every down. He is one of the quickest linebackers in this draft; his timing and instincts when going to rush the passer are among the best in this draft. Jacob is a player who will fill the hole, shed a block and make the tackle. He is a head up, wrap up, squeeze and drive tackler who shows leadership skills through his play on the field. The truth is, I believe that Jacob is truly one of the better linebackers in this draft. Unfortunately, the problem right now is that Jacob is a part time linebacker and a bit of an anomaly at this point of the draft.



NEEDS TO IMPROVE

I'm not sure why this kid is not on the field every down. He is an every down linebacker, but LSU did not use him that way. He also has not been invited to the combine or the Senior Bowl. All I can tell you is what I see on the film and what I see in his talent, skill and instinct tell me he'll make a hell of a linebacker. Interestingly, a linebacker who is not being noticed at all by anyone but me, so you tell me why! Maybe there is a medical problem that I don't now about or maybe there are character issues that are not showing up in his play on the field for me to sense. All I can tell you is this kid is a hell of a player.



BOTTOM LINE

The talent board does not suggest to you where a player might be selected in the draft. Rob's value board does that. Jacob is a perfect example of how the two boards interact to give you a better understanding of how a player who is selected in the late rounds of a draft can become an impact player for the team that drafts him in the NFL. Jacob is the definition of a sleeper. He is not from a small program and there is plenty of film on him. He has played against some of the top talent at the college level. Every time I have seen LSU play this year, #54 was making an impact play on defense. He is smooth and efficient and the LSU defense was better when he was on the field. He just knows how to play the game of football. His talent and instincts are at the same level, and yet LSU seems to feel that he was not starting linebacker material for them. Perhaps I am mistaken about his pure speed, but I'm not about his talent to play at the next level. If I'm a GM looking at film of LSU, I would want to know why no one in the NFL draft world is listing this kid at all right now. I would want to know why Jacob was in a rotation situation? I would want to know why he was not invited to the Senior Bowl or Combine. There is no excuse for this kid being off the field at any time or in any game for LSU. I'm sure he could even play on the other side of the ball as a tight end or H-back -- he has that type of talent. The talent in the linebackers was good at LSU this year. But there was no one who played linebacker for LSU this year that was better than Jacob. Just about all of the impact plays made by the LSU linebackers this year were made by Jacob! So you tell me! Where is he? What is he doing and why was he not invited to the Combine and Senior Bowl? You cannot look at film this year of an LSU game and not see this kid flash across your screen as he makes a play. Damn...am I the only one watching film out here?



Drew Boylhart 2/10

Zane Beadles OL Utah


TALENT BOARD

Round 1



STRENGTHS

Zane is an excellent offensive lineman, but is another Utah player playing out of position for the next level. Zane's impact position at the next level is as a left guard. He is a quick-in-space, powerful run blocking offensive lineman stuck in a pass happy offensive system. He has done an excellent job for his college team and is a solid pass blocker, but the truth is that Zane has accomplished this for his college team because of his football intelligence and by using excellent offensive line techniques. Zane's lack of "tackle like" lateral agility is the big reason he will have to be moved inside at the next level. He has excellent mental stamina and shows leadership skills through his play on the field. He shows great pride in blocking for his QB, but the real strength of his game is when he run blocks. He does a good job going to the second level and loves to pull and block. His foot speed seems to be faster when he can pull on a running play. He has good quickness out of his stance and shows enough change of direction skills to stay with a block in space for screen passes. This kid has excellent technique and has survived as a left tackle by staying true to that technique. In my opinion, Zane is the top pure guard in this draft. The problem is that he has been playing Left Tackle and most teams will downgrade Zane because he doesn't have tackle athletic abilities. Big mistake, big freaking mistake!



NEEDS TO IMPROVE

Zane could be used as a right tackle, but his impact position for the next level is as a left guard. Look at his combine numbers and compare them against the guards not the tackles.



BOTTOM LINE

This Utah team has excellent coaching on both sides of the ball that teach fundamentals. They don't play players who do not use those fundamentals in a game no matter how athletically gifted a player might be. It is obvious to me that the coaches will play a player out of position over a player who has more talent if the more gifted player is not using correct fundamentals. That is why you have to look at this team and its players in a different way than you would look at players on most other teams. You cannot profile with blinders on. You should not suggest that a player is not going to be a good player because they don't have the athletic ability to play the position they are playing in college at the next level. Because of Zane's power, quickness, mental stamina and excellent blocking techniques, you cannot suggest to me that because he lacks true left tackle lateral agility that he cannot play at the next level at a different position and be a Pro Bowl caliber player. In 1995, the Bills drafted a tackle at the 14th pick of the draft and moved him to the left guard position the day after the draft. Reuben Brown was selected to the Pro Bowl eight consecutive years while playing for the Bills from 1996 to 2003. Zane has this type of potential. I wonder if I'm the only one that sees it!

Drew Boylhart 2/10

[painekiller]

draft tek has a new mock up #28

20 Dez Bryant Oklahoma State WR
51 Kareem Jackson Alabama CB
81 Ben Tate RB Auburn
118 Dorin Dickerson TE Pittsburgh
150 Daniel Te'o-nesheim DE Washington
187 Robert Johnson FS Utah
197 Corey Peters DT43 Kentucky
227 Chris DeGeare OG Wake Forest

My cherry pick

20 Brandon Graham Michigan DE is BPA but they will take Ryan Mathews Fresno State RBF
51 Lamarr Houston Texas DT
81 Mike Johnson Alabama OG
118 Linval Joseph East Carolina DT
150 Kevin Thomas USC CB
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Jamar Wall Texas Tech CB
227 Deji Karim Southern Illinois RB

[Roy P]

draft tek has a new mock up #28



My cherry pick

20 Brandon Graham Michigan DE is BPA but they will take Ryan Mathews Fresno State RBF
51 Lamarr Houston Texas DT
81 Mike Johnson Alabama OG
118 Linval Joseph East Carolina DT
150 Kevin Thomas USC CB
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Jamar Wall Texas Tech CB
227 Deji Karim Southern Illinois RB

I put this in the other thread, but for comparison....this is using my board, NOT Cherry picking after the fact. Thought it interesting a few of my picks and the computer were the same....

20 CB Kareem Jackson
51 OG John Jerry
81 RB Ben Tate
118 DT Linval Joseph
150 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 FS Robert Johnson
197 CB Crezdon Butler
227 RB Deji Karim

[painekiller]

draftsite.com

20 Kyle Wilson CB Boise State
51 Reshad Jones* S Georgia
81 Brandon LaFell WR LSU
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Charlie Tanner OG Texas
187 Travis Goethel OLB Arizona State
197 Ryan Perrilloux QB Jacksonville State
227 C.J. Wilson DE East Carolina


My Cherry Pick
1st Dan Williams DT Tennessee
2nd Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
3rd Toby Gerhart RB Stanford
4th Lamarr Houston DT Texas
5th Zane Beadles OG Utah
6th Jeff Byers OG USC
6th Javarris James RB Miami
7th Keaton Kristick OLB Oregon State

[painekiller]

Guys I would be happy with at each pick:

1st: Dan Williams, CJ Spiller, Earl Thomas, Brandon Graham, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, Sean Weatherspoon, Kyle Wilson, Ryan Mathews, Jerry Hughes, Taylor Mays, Devin McCourty, Kareem Jackson

2nd: Tyson Alualu, Terrence Cody, Morgan Burnett, Toby Gerhart, Linval Joseph, Lamarr Houston, Jerome Murphy, Ben Tate, Torrell Troup, Major Wright, Javier Arenas, John Jerry, Montario Hardesty, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Jon Asamoah

3rd: Zane Beadles, Reshad Jones, Myron Lewis, Jonathan Dwyer, Geno Atkins, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, JD Walton, Mike Johnson, Koa Misi

4th-5th:Shawn Lauvao, Kam Chancellor, Dekoda Watson, James Starks, LeGarrette Blount, Charles Scott, Mitch Petrus, Marshall Newhouse, Walter McFadden, Mitch Petrus, Myron Rolle, AJ Edds, Donovan Warren, John Skelton, Lonyae Miller, Deji Karim, Jameson Konz, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim

6th-7th: Joique Bell, Trevard Lindley, Fendi Onobun, Jamar Wall, Robert Johnson, Vince Oghobaase, Shelley Smith, Brian Jackson, Javarris James, Keiland Williams, Jay Ross

If a guy goes earlier not a huge deal.

[Roy P]

Guys I would be happy with at each pick:

1st: Dan Williams, CJ Spiller, Earl Thomas, Brandon Graham, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, Sean Weatherspoon, Kyle Wilson, Ryan Mathews, Jerry Hughes, Taylor Mays, Devin McCourty, Kareem Jackson

2nd: Tyson Alualu, Terrence Cody, Morgan Burnett, Toby Gerhart, Linval Joseph, Lamarr Houston, Jerome Murphy, Ben Tate, Torrell Troup, Major Wright, Javier Arenas, John Jerry, Montario Hardesty, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Jon Asamoah

3rd: Zane Beadles, Reshad Jones, Myron Lewis, Jonathan Dwyer, Geno Atkins, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, JD Walton, Mike Johnson, Koa Misi

4th-5th:Shawn Lauvao, Kam Chancellor, Dekoda Watson, James Starks, LeGarrette Blount, Charles Scott, Mitch Petrus, Marshall Newhouse, Walter McFadden, Mitch Petrus, Myron Rolle, AJ Edds, Donovan Warren, John Skelton, Lonyae Miller, Deji Karim, Jameson Konz, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim

6th-7th: Joique Bell, Trevard Lindley, Fendi Onobun, Jamar Wall, Robert Johnson, Vince Oghobaase, Shelley Smith, Brian Jackson, Javarris James, Keiland Williams, Jay Ross

If a guy goes earlier not a huge deal.


You should put these guys in a spreadsheet and then cut and paste them into the "My Guys" thread. Of course, they are "Your Guys" but that's fine.

[painekiller]

You should put these guys in a spreadsheet and then cut and paste them into the "My Guys" thread. Of course, they are "Your Guys" but that's fine.

Good idea to move them

[Roy P]

This is probably my favorite scenario. The Browns move up from the 2nd round into the 1st round to get their QB of the future. The Texans gladly trade down giving up the #20 and the #150 picks in return for #38, #71, and #92. We go on to select the following players....

38 RB Jahvid Best
51 CB Brandon Ghee
71 OG John Jerry
81 RB Ben Tate
92 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 LB AJ Edds
197 FS Robert Johnson
227 OG Shelley Smith
UDFA CB Crezdon Butler

[painekiller]

This is probably my favorite scenario. The Browns move up from the 2nd round into the 1st round to get their QB of the future. The Texans gladly trade down giving up the #20 and the #150 picks in return for #38, #71, and #92. We go on to select the following players....

38 RB Jahvid Best
51 CB Brandon Ghee
71 OG John Jerry
81 RB Ben Tate
92 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 LB AJ Edds
197 FS Robert Johnson
227 OG Shelley Smith
UDFA CB Crezdon Butler

I do not think Best is even on their board.

38 Toby Gerhart RB Stanford
51 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB Indiana (PA)
71 Torrell Troup DT Central Florida
81 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
92 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
118 Marshall Newhouse OG TCU
187 Robert Johnson FS Utah
197 Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech

[painekiller]

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htm

20 Jonathan Dwyer* RB 6'1" 235 Georgia Tech
51 Chad Jones* S 6'3" 218 LSU
82 Jerome Murphy CB 6'1" 192 South Florida
119 Jacoby Ford WR 5'9" 175 Clemson
152 Terrell Skinner S 6'3" 214 Maryland
190 Max Hall QB 6'1" 200 BYU
200 Jeff Byers OG 6'3" 290 USC
231 Corey Peters DT 6'3" 292 Kentucky

ok in my Cherry pick i have to drop 9 spot to take my guy so I would be trading down with someone Maybe San Diego who are looking RB? we give 20 for 28 and 60
28 Dan Williams DT 6'3" 312 Tennessee
51 Kareem Jackson* CB 5'11" 192 Alabama
60 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
82 Perrish Cox CB 6'1" 195 Oklahoma State
119 Charles Scott RB 5'11" 228 LSU
152 Rodger Saffold OT 6'5" 305 Indiana (OG) prospect had great Shrine week.
190 Cam Thomas DT 6'3" 330 North Carolina
200 John Skelton QB 6'5" 258 Fordham
231 Javarris James RB 6'0" 211 Miami


Again this year like the year we took Brown, I had us taking Jackson, but a round later. Wonder if we take Asamoah at 51?

[Roy P]

I put this in the other thread, but for comparison....this is using my board, NOT Cherry picking after the fact. Thought it interesting a few of my picks and the computer were the same....

20 CB Kareem Jackson
51 OG John Jerry
81 RB Ben Tate
118 DT Linval Joseph
150 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 FS Robert Johnson
197 CB Crezdon Butler
227 RB Deji Karim

Well, they took KJ at #20, so I'm wondering if we can get an OL and a RB today. I've got to have Tate, Gerhart, or Hardesty before I'll be satisfied with the Texans drafting a RB.

[TexanJedi]

According to Lance Z. the medical on Hardesty might drop him to the 5th.

[idymoe]

I heard this on ESPN this morning, as well. I guess that means there are 3 rb's that we have to choose one of tonight. Would any of the 3 last until our pick in the 3rd? Would Joe McKnight be acceptable?

[Roy P]

OK, I knew there was some 'stuff' on Hardesty, but figured he would clear medical.....Maybe I'll just be happy with Gerhart or Tate. I don't know if/how far Dwyer will fall.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/383106-bold-prediction-houston-texans-trade-up-to-get-toby-gerhart?utm_source=newsletter

I just hate the idea of giving up draft picks to move up. The rumors are out there that Denver and New England and San Francisco all want Gerhart. I would say, 'trust' your draft board. My problem is Gerhart is at the top of my board right now....

1 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.53 Stanford
2 OG John Jerry 6'6" 332 5.15 Mississippi
3 DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas
4 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
5 FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
6 OG Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
7 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 5.08 Illinois
8 RB Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 229 4.64 Georgia Tech

[idymoe]

Roy, assume Gerhart is gone. Assuming your next 3 guys are there, do you take Tate or Jerry/Houston?

Tougher decision, yet, assume Gerhart and Tate are gone, do you take Dwyer or one of your higher ranked guys, assuming they are there?

If you don't get a running back in the 2nd round, how much would you reach in the 3rd?

[Roy P]

I'm taking Jerry before Tate and trusting my board. I may 'reach' for Dwyer or Dixon later on and hope that getting a run-blocking OG helps the running game more than the RB. Also, OGs tend to produce longer careers than RBs. Yeah, it's a big Want and I'd considered taking Tate at #51 regardless of who was on the board to 'make sure' I get a RB that I want. I could possibly 'move up' after drafting Jerry to take Tate before #81.

[idymoe]

If Tate and Gerhart are gone by 51, I would like to not take a back in the second. If you don't get a back in the second, I think there is a big risk on not taking one until 6 or 7. How big of a howl would there be, if that happened? It wouldn't bother me. If the O-line were upgraded some, our current backs would look a lot better.

[Roy P]

If Tate AND Gerhart are both gone at #51, I trust my draft board and just take the BPA.