Official Texans vs. Colts Game Thread, 11/29/2009

[Keith]

Steel Blue Sunday on tap.

Question: If the Texans are down by three with the ball spotted at the Colts' 31-yard line, four seconds left in the game, if you're Gary Kubiak, what do you do? What do you do?!?!

:p

[painekiller]

Steel Blue Sunday on tap.

Question: If the Texans are down by three with the ball spotted at the Colts' 31-yard line, four seconds left in the game, if you're Gary Kubiak, what do you do? What do you do?!?!

:p

Send Kris Brown out there and kick the ball the FG. duh. What else can he do?

At this point in time Brown is better than any of the guys on the street. IN 8 years this is only his 2nd rough patch. He is one of the most accurate kicker in the league at 50 yd plus, and he is still putting the kickoffs deep. I would have to look more at what has changed this year from the prior years?

The LS has changed, and he is not there only for the LS. So I wonder if Turk and Brown and Dressen are getting the same amount of reps that the FG team got last year.

[Arky]

Set your DVR's.

I think it comes down to this: this is the type of game the Texans have to start winning. Win and they are back on track. Lose and they just ain't got it for this year....

[TheMatrix31]

Steel Blue Sunday on tap.

Question: If the Texans are down by three with the ball spotted at the Colts' 31-yard line, four seconds left in the game, if you're Gary Kubiak, what do you do? What do you do?!?!

:p

I don't know, but I've had enough of watching last second kicks. I'll change the channel.

[Golden Arm]

Set your DVR's.

I think it comes down to this: this is the type of game the Texans have to start winning. Win and they are back on track. Lose and they just ain't got it for this year....

A win here and they set themselves up for a nice run (dare I say a chance to run the table?!?). Here's hoping they take that first step today against the Colts.

Go Texans!

[Fonz the Boss]

Go texans!!!!!!!!!!

[Arky]

Texans win the toss and will receive.

AD brings the kickoff back to the 21.

Slaton for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Pass to KW good for about 7. 3rd and 1 coming up.

Slaton gets about 3 and the 1st down at the 32.

On first down, Slaton gets 4.

[Arky]

Pass over the middle to AJ good all the way to the Colts 43.

Dump to Slaton good for 7.

C Brown runs hard for about 9. 1st down.

Pass to Dreesen good for about 15. Ball at the Colts 15.

Slow white boy reverse/end around/misdirection gets only 3.

AJ catches the quick hitter and bulls his way to about the 2 yard line.

[TheMatrix31]

OMG...I just rememebered we have to deal with Dallas Clark on offense.

Effin A

[Arky]

False start on Hill -5. Still, 1st and goal from the 7.

Nice bootleg pass to Leach goes for the TD!

Texans 7, Colts 0

[TheMatrix31]

Perfect playcall, perfect drive, perfect ending.

Never seen a drive like that, or haven't in a long ass time.

[Big Texas]

That drive represents the potential that this team has. The problem is consistency. Perfect execution. Lets keep it up.

[Arky]

Colts bring the kickoff back to the 22.

Addai for about 5.

Dump to Santi gets just enough for the 1st down. Ball at the Colts 34.

Addai TFL -2 by D-Rob. 2nd and 12 coming up.

Pass goes low and inc. out in the flat. 3rd and 12 coming up.

Manning sacked by Barwin! Colts have to punt.

JJ runs in circles and gets stopped at the Texan 34.

[Arky]

Dump to C Brown goes for about 12. 1st down.

C Brown for about 5. Ball at midfield.

Schaub bootlegs out and hits KW for 22.

C Brown for about 6.

Slaton powers down to the 13. 1st down.

Slaton to the 5 yard line. 2nd and 2 coming up.

C Brown punches it in!

Texans 14, Colts 0

[TheMatrix31]

Why's it so damn hard to play like this even 25% more of the time?

[Arky]

Why's it so damn hard to play like this even 25% more of the time?

Who are those guys on the offensive line? :p

[TheMatrix31]

Who are those guys on the offensive line? :p

I would give anything for them to play like this the rest of the year.

[Arky]

Colts bring the kickoff back to the 18.

Pass to Garcon good for about 13 and a 1st down.

Addai for about 4.

Pass to Wayne gets just enough for the 1st down.

Pass to Clark gets another 10. Ball at the Texans 47.

Holding on Colts -10. Makes it 1st and 20.

End of 1st quarter.

[Arky]

Ball at the Colts 43.

Cushing INT"s! Takes it all the way to the 15!

Penalty on A Smith on the return so it is still the Texans ball at the Colt 40.

[TheMatrix31]

Yeah! Cushing!

And Antonio Smith is REALLY stupid.

[TheMatrix31]

.....why did we start at the 40?!

[Arky]

Dump to Slaton for 7.

Slaton gets 4 and the 1st down.

Oh no, Schaub throws deep to the endzone, AJ had the TD but "did not complete the catch".

Kubiak challenges that AJ had possession.....

Ball is ruled inc. Texans charged a timeout.

[Arky]

Dump to Slaton picks up a 1st down at the Colts 17.

C Brown for 3 or 4.

C Brown for 2. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Offsides D Brown -5. 3rd and 10 coming up.

Pass to AJ goes inc. so Texans to go for the FG.

35 yard attempt barely gets in - good.

Texans 17, Colts 0

[Big Texas]

WTF is up with KBrown. How many more times do we need to see this shit?

[TheMatrix31]

I HATE Antonio Smith.

[Arky]

Colts bring the kickoff back to the 26.

Pass hits Collie for about 20.

D Brown for 9.

Addai gets 2 and the 1st down at the Texan 42.

1st down pass goes inc. but roughing on A Smith. 15 yards, auto 1st down - ball at the Texan 27.

Dump to Addai picks up 9.

False start Colts. 2nd and 6 coming up.

Pass to Clark picks up the 1st down at the Texan 15.

Addai for 5.

[Arky]

Ball at the Texan 10.

Pass to Garcon goes for no gain. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Pass to Garcon goes for the TD.

Texans 17, Colts 7

[Arky]

AD downs the kickoff in endzone so Texans ball at the 20.

C Brown for 6.

Colt player injured on the play. Timeout.

[Arky]

5:17 left in the half.

On 2nd and 4, Schaub scrambles for a about 8 and a 1st down.

Pass to KW good for about 24. Ball at the Colts 49.

C Brown for about 6.

Slaton powers for 8. Ball at the Colts 35. 1st down.

Slaton for 3.

2 minute warning.

[TheMatrix31]

That was AMAZING protection on that Walter pass.

[Arky]

Pass to KW gets the 1st down. Ball at the 24.

Dump to AJ gets about 8. Ball at the 16.

Dump to Brown picks up 1. 3rd and 1 coming up.

3rd down pass goes inc. Texans to go for the FG.

33 yard attempt is good.

Texans 20, Colts 7

1 minute left in the half for the Forehead to work.

[Big Texas]

Am I the only one that thinks they can use leach for what they are doing with CBrown. Just a big body that wont be easy to bring down.

[TheMatrix31]

Am I the only one that thinks they can use leach for what they are doing with CBrown. Just a big body that wont be easy to bring down.

Not sure Leach can "run" like Brown "can".

[Arky]

Colts bring the kickoff back to the 19.

Pass to Collie picks up 10.

Dump to Brown picks up 7. Timeout Colts.

Pass to Clark gets about 11 and a 1st down. Ball at the Colt 45. 17 seconds left.

Pass is INT'ed by McCain!

Texans kneel it out.

Halftime.

Texans 20, Colts 7

[TheMatrix31]

Perfect first half aside from stupid penalties.

Now don't let Peyton score as easily as he will when they come out in the third.

[Arky]

Halftime stats:

Passing: Schaub 14/17, 152 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

Rushing: Slaton 8/42, C Brown 8/39

Receiving: KW 4/54, AJ 3/38, C Brown 3/20, Slaton 2/19

Tackles: Cushing 5, Pollard 4, Ryans/D-Rob 3 each, Okoye 2

3rd down conversions: Texans 1/3, Colts 1/2

Turnovers: Texans 0, Colts 2

Time of possession: Texans 19:14, Colts 10:46

[Arky]

There was a game last year against the Colts I'm trying to remember ..... all I remember is that the Texans had a big lead and then I think it evaporated.....

:p

Can't let that happen this year...

[Arky]

Colts down the kickoff in the endzone so it will be the Colts ball at the 20.

Pass to Wayne good for 8.

Addai for about 8. 1st down.

PI on Reeves - bad call.

[TheMatrix31]

He didnt do anything!!!!

[Arky]

On 3rd and goal, Manning hits Wayne for the TD.

Texans 20, Colts 14

(wow, I somehow lost a lot of the action on this drive)

[TheMatrix31]

Those are the most undeserved seven points I've EVER seen in my life.

[Big Texas]

Not sure Leach can "run" like Brown "can".

Brown has the most unorthodox running style. He runs high and he definitely is not fast. So I definitely see no difference between he and Leach

[nunusguy]

You knew this was coming and makes one wonder why Kubiak settles for a FG at the end of the first half vs Manning ?

[Big Texas]

An offense like the Colts, and you give those bastards 40 free yards. That's some bullshit.

[Big Texas]

After the great first half we had all it took was one TD for the Colts to be back within scoring distance. We better move the damn ball.

[Arky]

AD brings the kickoff back to the 15. Flags on the play. Holding on Zgonina - 1/2 the distance to the goal puts the ball at the Texan 7.

Looks like we gotta beat the refs today, too....

Pass to AJ good for 9.

Slaton for about 3. Ball at the 20.

Slaton sweeps for 12. 1st down.

Schaub throws deep and is INT'ed. Colts ball at their own 17.

[TheMatrix31]

I just called this INT four minutes ago on another board.

Cool.

[Roy P]

Slaton looks pretty good running on the edges. If we had a Montario hardesty to do the "hard running" up the middle, this offense would be formidable.

Connor Barwin got some pressure on Manning. I've been waiting for him to blossom.

[Big Texas]

You knew it was coming. He is prone to that horrible throw EVERY damn game. Andre Johnson into triple coverage. WTF was he thinking. Even if he thought AJ was going for the post he was triple covered. You can tell from the start of that play that it was not gonna be good. The play fake was lazy as hell.

[Arky]

Let's go, defense....

Pass to Garcon good for about 14.

Sack by Mario! -8 yards.

Dump to D Brown goes for about 4. Brings up 3rd and 15.

Dump to Clark is stopped about 5 yards short of a 1st down. Colts to punt.

JJ brings the punt back to the Texan 11.

[Arky]

On 1st down, Schaub pressured and throws it away.

C Brown for 4. 3rd and 6 coming up.

False start Texans -5. Makes it 3rd and 11 coming up.

Dump to Slaton picks up 7. Texans have to punt.

Colts fair catch at their 35.

[Big Texas]

Shaub's body language is terrible. He went from looking focused and confident. Now he looks a mess. Looking confused and nervous. This is where Kubiak needs to be getting in his ass. Time to earn your damn paycheck Kubiak. Wake your F'in QB up.

[Big Texas]

His playaction are starting to look sloppy as hell.

[Arky]

Addai for 3.

Dump to Clark for 5. 3rd and 2 coming up.

Dump to Clark goes for 2 but is inches short of the 1st down. Colts to go for it on 4th down.

Addai gets 2 and the 1st down. Ball at the Colt 46.

1st down pass goes inc.

Pass to Garcon complete but holding on the Colts = -10. 2nd and 20.

Pass to Garcon goes for about 23 and a 1st down. Ball at the Texan 40.

[Arky]

Addai for 7?

Dump to Clark for about 7 and a 1st down.

D Brown for 2. Ball at the Texan 22.

End of the 3rd quarter.

[TheMatrix31]

I'm starting to turn numb here.

[Arky]

Pass to Clark good for 8 and a 1st down at the Texan 13.

Addai for -1. Brings up 2nd and 11.

2nd down pass goes inc.

3rd down pass goes inc. Colts to go for the FG.

32 yard attempt goes wide right!

Texans ball.

How about a long time consuming drive for a TD, fellas?

[Roy P]

We have to keep the colts out of the endzone. This is from my new phone. He missed the field goal

[Big Texas]

Who would've thought the Colts would come away with no points.

[Arky]

C Brown powers for 12. Ball at the Texan 34.

Mathis down on the play. Timeout.

[Arky]

C Brown for 1.

Dump to Slaton goes for 2. Brings up 3rd and 7.

3rd down pass to DA goes inc. so Texans to punt.

Colts bring the punt back to their 11. 11:14 left in the game.

Stuff 'em right here, defense. Don't let 'em get rolling...

[nunusguy]

What a time to go 3 and out and what a lame effort by Schaub.

[Arky]

Addai hangs onto the ball for 5 yards.

Pass to Collie - big gainer. Ball at the Colts 45.

Another pass to Collie good for 8.

Addai runs for about 8. 1st down at the Texan 35.

Dunta mugs Wayne for the PI. Auto 1st down at the Texan 18.

[Arky]

Colts pick up 6.

D Brown for 6. Ball at the Texan 6.

Dump to Clark good for the TD.

Colts 21, Texans 20

8:24 left in the game.

[Fonz the Boss]

I guarantee that we win this game.

[Big Texas]

Am I the only one who knew this was coming. I am not even upset. This is forever inevitable. Now here comes a confused and rattled Shaub.

[Arky]

AD downs the ball in the endzone so Texans ball at the 20.

1st down pass is dropped by Leach.

On 2nd down, Schaub is INT'ed by Sessions. Pick 6.

Colts 28, Texans 20

[Fonz the Boss]

I guarantee that we win this game.

Nevermind LMAO!!!

[Arky]

AD lets the kickoff roll out of the endzone. Texans ball at the 20.

Dump to KW good for 7.

Pass to Casey good for 4 and a 1st down.

Pass to Leach good for 4.

Dump to Slaton goes for 8 and a 1st down.

Pass to Casey good for 12 and another 1st down. Ball at the Colt 44.

Dump to AD complete but holding on Texans -10. 1st and 20.

On 1st down, Schaub overshoots DA inc.

[Arky]

Wow, Schaub is stripped winding up and Colts recover. (I've seen this before somewhere.....)...

[Fonz the Boss]

2 picks and a lost fumble.... Matt Schaub will cost my fantasy team dearly.

[Arky]

Addai for 1. Ball at the Texan 35.

Addai sweeps for 14.

Simpson TFL by Mario -4.

Texans don't wrap up and Simpson runs it in for the score. 23 yards.

Colts 35, Texans 20

[Arky]

JJ brings the kickoff back to the 25.

Schaub sacked -1.

Pass to DA good for 6.

Pass to JJ good for 8 and a 1st down. Ball at the Texan 39.

2 minute warning.

[Fonz the Boss]

Lets just run the ball and save ourselves further embarrassment.

[kRocket]

2 picks and a lost fumble.... Matt Schaub will cost my fantasy team dearly.

He has already cost the Texans dearly. Three decent plays and one bonehead out of four adds up to good stats and a loss. Not just his game but all season.

Not to diminish the job our defense is doing. They are playing so far off the receivers that they don't have to go long, they can pick up 6-8 yards any time they want.

I want a new Coach, DC, OC, GM, QB, and backfield! And oh yeah a new defensive line also.

[Big Texas]

This is wonderful!!! We have got the best 1/2 team there is in the league. We definitely cannot play for more than one 1/2. I really hope people realize that Kubiak's motivational skills are terrible. If I could see that his QB looked rattled in the second half I am sure he could see it.

And the funny thing is, Shaub looked rattled before he threw the interception.

[Big Texas]

I am starting to hate this F'in team. What kind of team consistently loses when it counts. The QB walked out after the half as if the game was over. Shaub is a decent QB but he's not a winner.

You say OD is easily replaceable in this system (which I think is bullshit).

Matt Shaub's stats this year are products of the system. He sucks and is a loser. He cannot win a game when he has to.

[TheMatrix31]

I am starting to hate this F'in team. What kind of team consistently loses when it counts. The QB walked out after the half as if the game was over. Shaub is a decent QB but he's not a winner.

You say OD is easily replaceable in this system (which I think is bullshit).

Matt Shaub's stats this year are products of the system. He sucks and is a loser. He cannot win a game when he has to.

I wouldn't go that far re: your points about Schaub.

[Arky]

Pass to AJ goes to the Colt 42.

Dump to Slaton picks up about 7.

Schaub pressured throws inc. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Pass to KW good for the 1st down at the Colt 30.

Dump to Slaton for 5.

Pass to Slaton in the endzone out of bounds inc.

Pass to JJ picks up the 1st down at the Colt 17.

Dump to KW goes to the 10.

Pass to JJ in the endzone complete for the TD.

Colts 35, Texans 27

18 seconds left in the game.

[Big Texas]

I wouldn't go that far re: your points about Schaub.

Which part do you disagree with? He definitely cannot score when it counts. To me he seems like a stat-racker. The guy drives down the field and scores when it doesn't matter. But when you have the lead you throw 2 picks, one for six and get stripped.

[Arky]

Onsides kick knocked out of bounds by the Colts. Colts ball at the Texan 40.

Colts kneel it out.

Final score:

Colts 35, Texans 27

[Fonz the Boss]

I am starting to hate this F'in team. What kind of team consistently loses when it counts. The QB walked out after the half as if the game was over. Shaub is a decent QB but he's not a winner.

You say OD is easily replaceable in this system (which I think is bullshit).

Matt Shaub's stats this year are products of the system. He sucks and is a loser. He cannot win a game when he has to.

Casey can do what OD was able to do but it wont happen overnight. Im not saying that OD should be let go but if you give Casey an entire offseason to get comfortable with Schaub he can be really really good.

[TheMatrix31]

Which part do you disagree with? He definitely cannot score when it counts. To me he seems like a stat-racker. The guy drives down the field and scores when it doesn't matter. But when you have the lead you throw 2 picks, one for six and get stripped.

I just think its being way too harsh on him. Blame the coaching for not getting them up for the second half. Blame the secondary for getting torched again. Blame the OL for not giving good protection like they did in the first half. It doesn't all fall on Schaub. He's definitely more than just a stat guy. Probably a Top 5 QB if you look just this year.

[coloradodude]

choke...choke...choke


Tradition!

[Arky]

Interesting stat from the last 3 games - all losses....

1st downs from penalty:

Colts vs. Texans I: Colts 6, Texans 1

Titans vs. Texans II: Titans 4, Texans 0

Colts vs. Texans II: Colts 4, Texans 0

[TheMatrix31]

That means this team is ridiculously undisciplined.

I was heartbroken three weeks ago, angered and sickened last week, and numb today.

[Big Texas]

I just think its being way too harsh on him. Blame the coaching for not getting them up for the second half. Blame the secondary for getting torched again. Blame the OL for not giving good protection like they did in the first half. It doesn't all fall on Schaub. He's definitely more than just a stat guy. Probably a Top 5 QB if you look just this year.

What makes him a top 5 QB. Stats? Maybe I am being harsh on him. Maybe his coach should've woke his ass up for the second half. No they continued to let him walk out there with that lost look on his face. I know if I could see it, they could.

As far as the Defense is concerned: I think they had a fairly good game. They forced two turnovers and sacked Manning twice. There's not much more you can ask from the D. Our offense just rolled over and played dead for the second half.

and for that fumble. He had space to step into the pocket. Those pressure situations are what make top 5 QBs in my book. Top 5 QBs perform under pressure and when games. He doesn't. Just look at Manning. He did not have a good statistical game by far. But when it came down to it, he won the game. Same with Brees. Those are clear cut top 5 QBs.

[nunusguy]

I honestly thought we'd win this game. Very disappointing.
Doubt that Mcnair would make any announcements this week, probably wait until year-end ?

[Arky]

That means this team is ridiculously undisciplined.


Yep. Or if I was ridiculously paranoid, I might think the refs were helping out the other team.... ;)

[TheMatrix31]

As far as the Defense is concerned: I think they had a fairly good game. They forced two turnovers and sacked Manning twice. There's not much more you can ask from the D. Our offense just rolled over and played dead for the second half.


Not allowing them to get chunks of yardage whenever they please, and not shooting the team in the foot with boneheaded penalties is something I can ask for.

[Big Texas]

Not allowing them to get chunks of yardage whenever they please, and not shooting the team in the foot with boneheaded penalties is something I can ask for.

Yes A.Smith made some dumb as decisions.

[TheMatrix31]

I honestly thought we'd win this game. Very disappointing.
Doubt that Mcnair would make any announcements this week, probably wait until year-end ?

Honestly depends how we finish the season out. I don't think it's right to fire Kubiak even though he and his coaching staff shoulders a LOT of blame. Keeping each game within at least 8 except for the Jets game is a good thing. Closing comes with experience.

We've learned that we can bounce back from being down. We need to learn how to stay up when we're up!

[Big Texas]

Yep. Or if I was ridiculously paranoid, I might think the refs were helping out the other team.... ;)

You don't give the Colts 40 free yards on a phantom call.

[Big Texas]

Honestly depends how we finish the season out. I don't think it's right to fire Kubiak even though he and his coaching staff shoulders a LOT of blame. Keeping each game within at least 8 except for the Jets game is a good thing. Closing comes with experience.

We've learned that we can bounce back from being down. We need to learn how to stay up when we're up!

I think Kubiak is a big reason our team plays the way it does. His halftime adjustments are terrible. His adjustments to the other teams adjustments are non-existent. He seems to show up to each game with one plan. If it does not work we are SOL.

They obviously wanted to attack the absence of Freeny (via the run). But after the half they adjusted. We didnt.

[Arky]

Yes A.Smith made some dumb as decisions.

I think A Smith might be a marked man among the referees of the league.... Sure seemed like they weren't giving him any leeway... That elbow to Mawae in the Titans game didn't help his image...

[cadams]

anyone who is defending kubiak at this point is not being realistic. maybe he turns out to be a good head coach in the long run, but he has had 4 years here, and that is more than enough time to put together a team. the mistakes that are being made are the same ones week in and week out, that is on the coaches. consistenely losing games because of breakdowns (mental or scheme) is on the coaches. i was squarely behind kubiak going into this year, but he does not have this team prepared consistenly. maybe it isn't his fault, but something has to change, and you can't fire the entire team.

[Dennis2112]

Kubiak needs to go.


Its that simple.

How many times do we have to hear, "its on me.". Well, when do you stop making the same mistakes?

He does not know what he is doing and plays Capers style...not to lose.

I was at the game and their offensive sets were horrible. Late in the 1st half, they just stand around and let the clock run down to the 2 minute warning when you clearly had more than enough time to run a running play and have the 2 minute warning to stop the clock for you. They had ran the ball down the Colts throat on that drive up till then. Like why not try run a play?

Coaching not to lose.

We need a coach who coaches to win.

Its time for a change. We make the same mistakes teamwide, everygame. It never seems to be the same person but it still happens. KBrown missing FGs, the other KBrown fumbling, Schaub throwing an INT for a TD, Slaton dropping a pass, Vonte dropping a pass, And least we forget Dunta "pay me Rick" Robinson gets burned consistently by all players even a 21 year old rookie last week and a TE with a last name of Clark this week.

Shall I go on?

I could bring up the penalties and the constant coaching miscues but they are too numerous to mention.

If it really is on Gary "its on me" Kubiak, then he must go.

[Fonz the Boss]

A 9-7 record saves Kubiak.... Not sure that will happen with the Jags, Dolphins, and Patriots still in our schedule.

[Big Texas]

How does consistently underachieving keep your job. This team should very well be 7-4 or better. However, we are a very weak 5-6 hoping to win out. Yeah right.

The only way we can win is if we:

1. play scrubs

OR

2. blow teams out, which we can't do because our offense only plays one half of the game.

Wake up Kube, you need to come to the game with a gameplan AND halftime adjustments "even if your winning at the half".

All of our losses are exactly the same.

[nunusguy]

You don't give the Colts 40 free yards on a phantom call.

That was a really bad call, incidental contact at the most which usually doesn't mean a penalty. But it became a turning point in the game IMO even though we were still up after they took it in for a score. Few teams, certainly not ours, can see that kind of gift handed to Peyton Manning and not be effected adversly.

[TexicanMexican]

Kubiak needs to go.


.

I was at the game and their offensive sets were horrible. Late in the 1st half, they just stand around and let the clock run down to the 2 minute warning when you clearly had more than enough time to run a running play and have the 2 minute warning to stop the clock for you. They had ran the ball down the Colts throat on that drive up till then. Like why not try run a play?



You also run down the clock to keep Manning off the field. Where they screwed up was passing on third down. Should have ran the ball and either get the first and use clock or force the Colts to burn a timeout.

[coloradodude]

I agree that we play not to lose and that there are ZERO half time adjustments. And the part that disturbs me the most? No running game still.

Bye Koobs


BTW, if anyone needs to watch the games online for free I'll post the links if you want.

[Dennis2112]

You also run down the clock to keep Manning off the field. Where they screwed up was passing on third down. Should have ran the ball and either get the first and use clock or force the Colts to burn a timeout.


Running a play to get more yards would have still ran the clock down to the 2 minute warning. Same result in time usage but the actual results differ greatly - one moves you closer to your goal, the other one gives you no actual advantage in yardage.

In a game of football, I will always take as many yards as I can get. Especially if it takes time off of the clock while moving my opponent deeper into his territory, that is a double benefit.

I do agree that pass was ill-advised but you already were resigning yourself the FG attempt by your passive nature around the 2 minute mark

[Roy P]

Wow! A lot of heated emotion in here today. I can understand that for the most part. Everyone has visions of Playoffs in their head or at least they did. Now, we are entering the stages of grief. Up to this point, it's been pretty much denial. Today, anger has set in.

This team is getting better. Schaub is much better than Carr ever thought of being and we can win with him. Frank Bush, who many wanted to fire a couple of months ago, myself included, has done a better job.

The offense has not had a real running game to speak of this year ever since Chester Pitts got injured. We didn't have much going on before then. Steve Slaton was a really good player, until he started fumbling for some unknown reason. We had a very good kicker, until he started getting the yips and couldn't make a kick well within his range.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. This is a good team but very unlucky. I'm not quite ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater at this point. Am I dissapointed that we haven't been perfect? Sure. Do I think we have a uncompetitive team like the Browns or Raiders? No. Is Schaub as bad as Jake Delhomme? I don't think so. Delhomme had his team in a SuperBowl, so Schaub isn't the reason we are losing and our season is lost.

We might not make the playoffs this season. 8 - 8 isn't good enough to get this team where we want it to be. However, the continuity and another off-season to build this team might make it something we can all be proud of.

[Big Texas]

Schaub is much better than Carr ever thought of being and we can win with him

I know I may have been a little critical of Shaub, earlier. It was in the heat of the loss.

However, I still stand by the fact that this guy came out at the half a different person. In the first half when they did that playfake on the goaline to Leach...I pretty much called it in my head and still was faked out. Execution was terrific.

But for some odd reason he came out of the half with half ass playactions and a horrible sense of confidence, even with a lead. When the team needed him to come out and make a play he throws into triple coverage to AJohnson...Wow. Then the game was still salvageable and he telegraphs and out route for a pick 6.

I think that also falls on Kubiak. Wake your damn QB up. His body language lacked confidence. Somebody needs to get in this guys head and motivate him. Obviously sitting back and letting him keep strolling out there pitiful is on the coaching staff. Somebody needs to look like this game was important.

[Big Texas]

I just saw the most disturbing image. Peyton Manning leaving our stadium after coming from behind and beating us and all but knocking us out of playoff contention, HIGH-FIVING OUR FANS ON HIS WAY OUT THE STADIUM!!!! WTF.

[Big Texas]

Please let me qualify this post by saying: I am in no way shape form or fashion a Vince Young fan. I have no ties to him whatsoever. I am also not one of those fans that says that we should've drafted VY. With that said:

Did you just watch Vince Young orchestrate a 99 yard 2 minute drive. This guy had the look of someone who was not going to lose. With all the baggage hanging over his head. He pulled it together created a drive that will probably be shown throughout the week time after time. Against a team we had the same opportunity.

And by the way he threw for almost 400 yards. All I can say is WOW!! Thats what I am looking for out of Shaub. Someone who WILL NOT let his team lose.

[dadmg]

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. This is a good team but very unlucky. I'm not quite ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater at this point. Am I dissapointed that we haven't been perfect? Sure. Do I think we have a uncompetitive team like the Browns or Raiders? No. Is Schaub as bad as Jake Delhomme? I don't think so. Delhomme had his team in a SuperBowl, so Schaub isn't the reason we are losing and our season is lost.


Sums up my feelings on this year pretty perfectly.

[Fonz the Boss]

I just saw the most disturbing image. Peyton Manning leaving our stadium after coming from behind and beating us and all but knocking us out of playoff contention, HIGH-FIVING OUR FANS ON HIS WAY OUT THE STADIUM!!!! WTF.

Dude I would high five Peyton Manning in a heartbeat as well.

[nunusguy]

This team is getting better.
Nope, no way. This team is regressing.
We took Indy (game before last) and the Titans Monday right to the end of the game, but not today. The final score (by a margin of a TD), understated the margin of victory by Indy.
We get Indy at home without Freeney, without Sanders and this happens ? No man, we're definitely going the wrong way on the basis of todays
performance.

[popanot]

Nope, no way. This team is regressing.
We took Indy (game before last) and the Titans Monday right to the end of the game, but not today. The final score (by a margin of a TD), understated the margin of victory by Indy.
We get Indy at home without Freeney, without Sanders and this happens ? No man, we're definitely going the wrong way on the basis of todays
performance.I agree. No way this team is improving. Maybe the D has played a little better, but they still can't stop the opposition when they absoultely have to. I don't care about statistics - the O is much worse than it was last year. Not even close.

To whoever said Schuab was a top 5 QB, are you kidding me? Maybe he is statistically, but no way would I take him over:

1. P. Manning
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. BenRoth
5. E. Manning
6. Rivers
7. Palmer
8. Flacco
9. Ryan
10. McNabb

There's probably more (I'd seriously consider throwing VY, Romo and Farve in that list), but that's 10 right there I'd rather have playing for the Texans. Sure, Schaub isn't the only reason they lose and play like wimps when the game is on the line, but he's a big part of it. His boneheaded mistakes and I'm-a-wuss body language frustrate the hell of me. Yeah, he's better than Carr or Jake Delhomme... Big fricken whip! If he can't carry the team, which he obviously can't, well then at least don't make plays that kill them, which he does constantly.

[Nconroe]

[ Originally Posted by Roy P View Post
Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. This is a good team but very unlucky. I'm not quite ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater at this point. Am I dissapointed that we haven't been perfect? Sure. Do I think we have a uncompetitive team like the Browns or Raiders? No. Is Schaub as bad as Jake Delhomme? I don't think so. Delhomme had his team in a SuperBowl, so Schaub isn't the reason we are losing and our season is lost.

QUOTE=dadmg;16576]Sums up my feelings on this year pretty perfectly.[/QUOTE]

I for most part agree with this sentiment, very disappointed as well, maybe today after the 17-0 start, really feel let down and empty.

Today we had more time of possession, more yards passing, more yards rushing, and then more turnovers where it hurt, and many more penalties against which hurt big time. It was good to see no fumbles by RB's and no missed FG by Kicker.

Overall, stats compared to Titans and Jaguars, we have about same record this year, and more points for, and less points against so I think there is an incremental improvement. And if we end up 9-7 or less likely 10-6, we will be improving in the W-L record by end of year.

The penalties and turnovers did us in big time. And this is same two things mostly did us in last week. These bad things led to Indys points, not our players getting beat. I think perhaps the guys are trying to hard to make a big play when all they really need to do is be consistent and not make the mistake. They need to trust their team and be good together. I think these are fixable things by coaches and players we have.

I do see Schaub seeming to sometimes not exude the confidence he should when a single bad thing doesn't go his way. He's got to mature on this. And bad things do demotivate or get guys to not think as they should. The learning to win, be consistent thing. Offense and defense need this consistency, moving to the next play quickly.

[Mike]

Kudos to my brothers and sisters in pain who were at Reliant. I admit, I was a bit down before I got to the Stadium, but once there I was cranked up and ready to go, and so were the other 71K Texans fans. We were loud and into the game, until the phantom pass interference and the terrible Schaub INT on the force to AJ. Those two plays were a kick in the nuts and deflated me and I am sure many others. 13 days and two painful loses and I am spent, emotional capital is exhausted.

Somehow I expect them to be in the game again this week in the 4th quarter against the Jags and the 20K fans and seats disguised as tarps.

[Keith]

http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20091130.html

in case anyone wants to read and remember this.

[Dennis2112]

http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20091130.html

in case anyone wants to read and remember this.

Good article Keith.

Kubiak is not going to be here next year unless the Texans run the table and win-streak thru to the end.

As much as I love the Texans, the confidence level is very low at this time.

[nunusguy]

Simmer down now
Peyton Manning said the Texans' defensive backs were celebrating Dunta Robinson's big hit on running back Joseph Addai so much that he went with a quick count and caught them napping on a 31-yard pass to Austin Collie that led to the Colts taking a 21-20 lead with 8:28 left in the game.

“I told them that it was an example of their team and our team at that point,” head coach Gary Kubiak said. “We have a big hit, and we should be excited. That's a great play, but you have to refocus.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6746449.html
**************************************
That little incident does illustrate the difference between the Texans and the Colts. And I was I could say Robinson is worthless, but he's far too expensive
to be worthless.

[Nconroe]

excellent article Keith. what was Schaub thinking on that pick six?

[Keith]

excellent article Keith. what was Schaub thinking on that pick six?

I haven't heard any clips of Schaub discussing the throw; I am sure he must have been asked about it, so take this post with the appropriate grain of salt based on that.

Watching it live at the game from the endzone where the throw was made, it looked like an unusually weak throw from him. Either he was tired (the team did abandon the run in the second half) or he second guessed his decision to throw before the ball even left his hand.

I tend to think the latter of course, and for whatever the reason, Schaub's confidence dwindled as the second half progressed up to that point. It is on him, Kubiak, and baby Shan to figure out why it happened. In the past I recall seeing Kubiak just yell like nuts at his QB or look like he really wanted to yell like nuts and think the better of it, i.e. he expects his QB to have flawless decision making abilities.

Which is the goal, however unrealistic, even Peyton throws picks and Tom Brady has off nights where he gets pulled. I think that maybe between Schaub and baby Shan they need to very careful about that sort of sideline pass that close to their own endzone. If Schaub attempts that throw (his arm maybe isn't Elway-strong, but it's usually strong enough), then he can't be second guessing that decision that deep into his own territory.

Couple this with the pick six in Arizona, and Schaub needs to be more effective in these situations. He has overcome the tag that we labeled on him for redzone ineffectiveness (remember that?), so maybe this is another step in his development.

I like Schaub. Always have. I think he must be pretty good to even do the things he does to put the team into these situations... stats don't lie. Schaub has been very productive this season. But there is still another step yet to be taken in his overall development.

[painekiller]

I want to add to Kieth's post, Schaub is doing this behind a flimsy OL. So the fact he has made them appear to be a decent unit should also be a feather in his cap.

Imagine if he had Brady or Peyton time to throw? How many plays have i seen Brady standing flat footed going through his reads?

As for arm strength, Schaub is average, IMO. He is not Flacco, but he can throw the deep out.

[nunusguy]

Schaubs play was maddening in the second half, perhaps more so because he was so competant, so effective in the first half.
Besides the interceptions, there was a particular play, a difficult throw for sure, but still a throw he tried to make to DA who was going in the opposite direction parallel to the los. He just threw it into the ground, way short of the wide-open Anderson on which I think was a third-down ?
Schaub just seemed to lose all focus in the last half. Very, very frustrating.