View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Jaguars Game Thread, 9/28/2009
JAX...is Houston's bitch.
Half the time...
This is no pushover game. I don't care what their record is. The team that opened the season cannot beat anyone. The team that played last week can play with anyone. We don't exactly have a good history of playing well after a big win......
Should we win, absolutely, BUT, you just never know.
MJD scares me just as much as the CJ/LW combo. Luckily (or unluckily depending on your point of view), they are having receiver issues, and their passing game is an issue for them. I am not so sure that is a good thing for us. Running defense is obviously an issue with us right now, and if they go chewing up the clock, our offense won't have time to get clicking.
Hell, even the Vegas goons aren't so sure, as we opened as a 3.5 favorite, AT HOME! With that, they put the U/O at 47, so they are expecting a TON of points......
papabear
09-23-2009, 10:28 AM
Desperate teams are always dangerous, and trying to avoid 0-3 is about as desperate as they come. The other thing that scares me about this game is that Jacksonville's biggest strength, running the ball, is our biggest weakness.
It should definitely be a win. The run defense isn't really all that far away from being at least competent. If they can just avoid the occasional breakdowns that lead to the 60+ yard runs they will be OK.
I'm hoping Kevin Walter is back 100% this week. Davis is fine as a field stretcher, but Walter is a much more complete WR. Not to mention the fact that Davis couldn't block my 10 year old nephew, and Walter is one of the better blocking WR out there IMO.
Nconroe
09-23-2009, 11:17 AM
Looks like Chester Pitts games playing streak is ending. Seems Studdard has been ok so far as his backup.
Wonder if CB Reeves will be back and if that helps our defense perhaps?
Fonz the Boss
09-23-2009, 12:03 PM
At least they dont have Matt Jones anymore. He was too big to cover on quick slants.
nero THE zero
09-23-2009, 03:51 PM
Looks like Chester Pitts games playing streak is ending. Seems Studdard has been ok so far as his backup.
Wonder if CB Reeves will be back and if that helps our defense perhaps?
They said he was running/practicing prior to the Tacks game but tired out quickly.
I imagine he'll start playing progressively more snaps each week as his continues to build up his endurance.
painekiller
09-23-2009, 05:21 PM
You forgot the biggest reason to be scared about this game. I picked the Texans to win in the suicide game. That means the Jags win in a blowout.
Announcers = Bill Macatee and Steve Beuerlein
Looks like the Austin delegation will get the game. Not so for the Metroplex...
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2009/03-CBS-E.html
TheMatrix31
09-24-2009, 12:46 AM
Maurice Drew will tear us apart.
We will work very hard on containing Mr. Drew-Jones this week in practice. I think we suck it up and have a good game against him. We still shouldn't take Garrard for granted either, he is big and can run with the pig too. We also have to work on our own run game so that we don't give JAX so many touches.
Nconroe
09-27-2009, 09:41 AM
Battle Red Day against one of our division Rivals. Hopefully we get to add a running game to our offense this week. And a run defense starts to show up as well. If the team keeps the intensity it started showing last week, should be a good game.
Jags have come close in their two losses, so not really playing bad. They will start two rookies as WR this week.
I want to try and watch our Dline a little closer this week.
Big Texas
09-27-2009, 11:44 AM
War UH!!!!!
Now its the other Houston teams turn.
1. Garrard better not look like Joe Montana
2. Jones-Drew better not look like Barry Sanders
3. Shaub better throw for 3 TD's, no INTs
4. Slaton needs at least a big run or big run after catch (hold on to the ball)
5. Defense, Defense, Defense.
6. I think Dunta gets a pick this game. (Don't quote me on that one)
7. Lets get out to a lead for a change.
Let's go.
nunusguy
09-27-2009, 11:51 AM
Playoff calibre teams ususally always win this kinda game - division rival that's struggling, maybe in rebuilding mmode ? I mean if you can't beat them at home, usually you won't beat them in their place, notwithstanding last weeks surprising win in Nashville, and you gotta atleast split the division games if you want a shot at postseason.
So how does it go ? What have we got ourselves here, a playoff "contender or pretender ?"
Gametime!
Jags win the toss and defer. Texans to receive.
JJ brings it out to the 21.
1st down pass to OD goes inc.
Pass to DA good for about 4. 3rd and 6.
Pass good to AJ all the way out to the Texan 47. 1st down.
Slaton for 1.
Slaton for 2. 3rd and 7.
Schaub hits OD over the middle, 1st down. Ball at the Jags 39.
Slaton for 2.
Deep pass to AJ is INT'ed. Jags ball at about their own 8.
MJD for about 4.
2nd down pass is tipped by, I think, Amobi. 3rd and 6
3rd down pass is complete out to the Jags 29.
Garrard keeps and sweeps for a big gain - 30 yards. Ball at the Texans 41.
Short pass good for about 5.
MJD for 2 or 3. 3rd and 2 coming up.
3rd down pass is batted down by Bulman.
Jags to go for the FG.
52 yard attempt is good.
Jags 3, Texans 0
Roy P
09-27-2009, 12:25 PM
I like the way the defense is flowing to the ball. That may make us vulnerable to misdirection, but at least we are being aggressive.
JJ brings the kickoff back to the 20.
Slaton for about 3.
Slaton for about 17.
Pass to AJ good for about 17. Ball in Jags territory - 45 yard line.
1st down pass goes inc.
Pass to Leach goes for no gain. 3rd and 10.
3rd down pass sails. Texans to punt.
Jags bring the punt back to their own 15.
Roy P
09-27-2009, 12:29 PM
I think I just saw a hole and Steve Slaton ran through it. Studdard actually got a block on the second level. Now a big catch by Andre. Kubiak has them playing with some effort starting out.
Ball moved back to the 11 due to fair catch rule.
Cushing hits MJD for TFL. 2nd and 12.
D-Rob breaks up the 2nd down pass. 3rd and 12.
MJD for no gain. Jags to punt.
Nice stand, defense.
Roy P
09-27-2009, 12:33 PM
Amobi Okoye got penetration and combined with Cushing for a TFL!!!!
Mario follows up with another TFL!
JJ fair catches at the Jags 45. Need some points, fellas!
Schaub hits Walter at the 20. Gain of 24. Welcome back!
Slaton for 2.
Pass to JJ good for the TD - 18 yards!
Texans 7, Jags 3
Jags bring the kickoff back to about their own 31.
1st down pass good for 8.
MJD gets just enough for the 1st down.
Pass good for 14 - ball in Texan territory.
End of 1st quarter.
Roy P
09-27-2009, 12:41 PM
I'm feeling pretty good about today. Hope we can keep this up. :D
Big pass good to the Texan 26.
1st down pass goes inc.
MJD for about 2. 3rd and 8.
Pass goes for about 10 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 13.
Cushing TFL on MJD. 2nd and 12.
Garrard pass to Wilford goes for the TD but red flag on the play.... Looks like he caught some white at the 2 and stepped out of bounds...
Review rules ball down at the 2, 1st and goal.
Garrard runs it in for the TD.
Jags 10, Texans 7
Roy P
09-27-2009, 12:51 PM
Cushing TFL on MJD. 2nd and 12.
...
I'm starting to apporove of this pick in the 1st round. If nothing else, he shows the other players how to make a tackle. Busing should start taking some notes.
Roy P
09-27-2009, 12:53 PM
Kubiak even won a challenge....the stars must be aligned on Battle Red day.
I'm starting to apporove of this pick in the 1st round. If nothing else, he shows the other players how to make a tackle. Busing should start taking some notes.
Yep, he's a good'un. Hope he stays healthy...
Kubiak even won a challenge....the stars must be aligned on Battle Red day.
This game makes me nervous. Everything points to a Texan "W" - that makes me nervous.
Roy P
09-27-2009, 12:56 PM
I guess I just put the kabosh on him. I didn't like the way he watched Garrard run into the endzone without putting a hit on him.
JJ brings the kick back to the 26.
1st down pass good to KW for about 19 yards. Roughing the passer on the play, 15 yards. Ball at the Jags 40.
C Brown for 2.
C Brown for not much. 3rd and 8.
Schaub pressured - throws it away. Texans to punt.
Turks punt goes into the endzone. Jags ball at their own 20.
Garrard throws away 1st down pass - pressure from Bulman.
MJD for about 4. 3rd and 6.
3rd down pass goes inc. - Barwin with the almost sack/Cushing with the almost INT.
Jags to punt.
Nice return by JJ brings the ball back to midfield.
Slaton for about 4.
Schaub hits KW for about 8 and the 1st down.
Deep pass to AJ, 25 yards, puts the ball at the Jags 12.
Slaton for about 3.
Short pass to KW.... reaches for the pylon and gets the TD!
Texans 14, Jags 10
5:33 left in the half.
Jags bring the kickoff back to their own 24.
1st down pass is tipped - inc.
Dump to the back and DeMeco gets a TFL. 3rd and 11.
Garrard hits Holt over the middle for 16 yards and the 1st down.
O - M - G. MJD busts one on a very familiar play. Touchdown.
Jags 17, Texans 14.
3:47 left in the half.
JJ brings the kickoff back to the Texan 33.
Screen to Slaton goes for about 16 - ball near midfield.
C Brown for about 4. Ball in Jags territory.
Pass over the middle to AJ moves the ball to the Jags 25. 22 yards on the play.
2 minute warning.
C Brown for about 5.
2nd down pass goes inc.
On 3rd and 5, pass to OD is about 1 yard short of the 1st down.
Texans to go for it on 4th down.
Sweep to KW goes all the way to the 5 yd line. 1st down.
One of the Jags players is down... 50 secs. left in the half.
C Brown 4 yards to the 1.
Brown stopped for -1.
Short pass to OD good for the TD!
Texans 21, Jags 17
19 seconds left in the half.
Roy P
09-27-2009, 01:36 PM
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O - M - G. MJD busts one on a very familiar play. Touchdown.
.
Ok, Busing isn't a starter. Let's see what kind of production we can get out of Pollard. Safety is going to be the death of me. I may be willing to trade a 1st and 2nd to get a Taylor Mays for Eric Berry in this draft if it will fix this once and for all.
Halftime stats:
Passing: Schaub 15/21, 200 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Rushing: Slaton 8/31, C Brown 6/14, Walter 1/11
Receiving: AJ 4/86, Walter 4/60, OD 3/17, JJ 1/18, Slaton 1/15
Tackles: Busing/Bennett 3, many with 2
3rd down conversions: Jags 3/6, Texans 3/6
Time of possession: Jags 13:37, Texans 16:23
Yeah, I agree RP, the safety situation is getting down right ridiculous. And after what, 5 TD's by the opposition on the same exact play, including preseason, you would think Frank Bush would have this problem solved. Not So!
Jags bring the 2nd half kickoff back to the 17.
1st down pass good for about 6.
MJD for about 1. 3rd down and 3.
Dump to MJD gets about 5 and the 1st down.
Reverse by Jags goes for about 18 - ball in Texan territory.
1st down pass inc.
2nd down pass inc. 3rd and 10.
Deep pass is good for the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 19.
MJD for about 5.
Pass from Garrard complete at the 1.
MJD for the 1 yd TD.
Jags 24, Texans 21
Drive ran about 5 minutes off the clock. Too many points allowed by the defense... :(
Roy P
09-27-2009, 02:02 PM
While we aren't getting many sacks, we are getting pressure on Garrard. He's doing a good job of getting rid of the ball, but I like that we are at least harrassing him some. It's a fine line between playing good defense and giving up a big play.
JJ brings the kickoff back to the Texan 18.
Pass to Leach for 4.
Pass to OD for about 11. 1st down.
Slaton runs for 11. Ball at the Texan 44.
Slaton for another 11. Ball at the Jags 45.
Slaton for 3. 2nd and 7.
Pass to Leach for 3. 3rd and 4.
Pass to Slaton goes to the Jags 16. 1st down.
C Brown for 3. Ball at the Jags 13.
Pass in the endzone goes inc. 3rd down and 6.
Timeout Texans.
Schaub scrambles about 2 yards short of the 1st down. 4th and 2.
K Brown on for the FG.
27 yd. FG is good.
Texans 24, Jags 24
Roy P
09-27-2009, 02:20 PM
D. Barber on the blitz puts a lick on Garrard. I like seeing the DBs used in the blitz packages. Don't mind Cushing hitting guys on the sidelines. He sends a message. Would prefer he would get there before the play was over though.
Jags bobble the Texan kickoff and bring it out to the 13.
MJD for about 11 - could've been bigger but official gets in the way.
1st down pass is inc. but flag on the play. No flag ruled.
Pass to Holt good for about 20. Ball at the Texan 49.
1st down pass is inc.
Reverse goes for the 1st down and flag on Cushing for late hit. Ball at the Texan 21.
Dump to MJD goes for about 8.
Run goes for 1. 3rd and 1. Timeout Jags. 23 secs left in the 3rd quarter.
DeMeco TFL. 4th and 2 coming up.
End of the 3rd quarter.
Jags to go for it on 4th and 1.
MJD gets 3. 1st down. Ball at the Texan 8.
MJD runs it in for the score.
Jags 31, Texans 24
JJ brings the kickoff back to the Texan 18.
Pass to Walter good for about 11 and a 1st down.
Schaub sacked -7.
Dump to JJ good for about 5. 3rd and 12.
Offsides Texans -5. 3rd and 17.
3rd down pass is batted down. Texans to punt.
Jags field the punt at their own 26.
Let's go, defense.
MJD for about 4. 2nd and 6.
MJD for 7 and the 1st down.
Cushing TFL on MJD. 2nd and 11.
Illegal contact on Wilson - auto 1st down. Ball at the Texan 46.
Reverse for about 4. Holding on Jags -10, repeat 1st down.
Screen to MJD goes for about 9. 2nd and 11.
Pressure from A Smith causes pass to go inc. 3rd and 11.
Dump pass is about 3 yards short of the 1st down. Jags to punt. Penalty on Jags -5.
JJ fair catches the punt at about the Texan 10. 7:04 left in the game.
Dump to Slaton for 1.
Pass to Walter for 7. 3rd and 3.
Schaub tripped up for the sack. Texans to punt.
Punt rolls to the Jags 40. 5:24 left in the game.
Need a stop, defense...
MJD for no gain.
Jags cough it up! Dunta strips/Diles recovers! Texans ball!
Del Rio challenges but looks like no dice... Should be Texans ball.
Ball at the Jags 49.
Schaub hits KW over the middle for 18.
Slaton runs for about 19. Ball at the Jags 11.
1st down pass is inc.
Pass to OD near the 1 and a 1st down.
1st down! 1st and goal.
Interference on KW - bad call.
1st and goal from the 11.
Pass to DA goes to the 2.
Oh no. Brown fumbles into the endzone - Jags recover - Kubes challenges.
It could go either way. Brown's knee looked down but short of the TD.
Ruling on the field is confirmed. Jags ball at the 20. Texans with 1 timeout left.
MJD for no gain.
MJD for 5. 3rd and 5. 1:09 left in the game.
Horsecollar tackle on Mario ought to do it. :(
Jags kneel it out.
Final score:
Jags 31, Texans 24
Goodness...
sinnister
09-27-2009, 03:17 PM
This one was on the defense. We are in dire need of a playmaking safety.
Roy P
09-27-2009, 03:18 PM
This is one of those games we shoulda won. We played well with very little errors. It's just those few plays in which we had errors, we lost points. I'm fine with the performance, but not with the result. Busing has proved to me that he's not the answer. Frank Bush has got to get some better results from his players. Still trying to figure out why we didn't go after Sean Jones in free agency. Zac Diles played o.k. but still am hopeful to get Weatherspoon in the draft if we can't get a Safety in the 1st round.
Man I hate losing to the Jags.
mussop
09-27-2009, 03:20 PM
This one was on the defense. We are in dire need of a playmaking safety.
Safety isnt he big issue. Its the DC. We have enough talent on this team to not be giving up 30 plus points to the likes of Jacksonville. Richard Smith's defense was better than this.
barrett
09-27-2009, 03:33 PM
Safety isnt he big issue. Its the DC. We have enough talent on this team to not be giving up 30 plus points to the likes of Jacksonville. Richard Smith's defense was better than this.
No its the safety. And though I'd love a playmaker, I'd settle for a guy who can tackle. Or a guy who can cover. I don't even need both. Just one or the other would be fine.
But somehow for the last 3 years we have put strong safeties on the field who not only can't cover, but they make up for it by not hitting or tackling.
Watch Barber on the last MJD TD run from inside the 10. Barber actually runs by MJD without realizing he has the ball. He literally dismisses him while MJD goes by him at walking speed.
At least Wilson can cover. He may not be able to tackle anyone, and he takes bad angles and is slow, but he has a single football skill. He can play centerfield and has the instincts to make a play within his limited range.
Please tell me what positive football characteristic Barber/Ferguson/Busing/etc has. None can tackle. None can hit. None can cover. None can run. None have any instincts. Not one actual football skill in the lot. And the same can be said for Fred Bennett. He may be a worse tackler than Philip Buchanon. Or maybe it is just that he is about as willing to hit as Buchanon was.
We have one guy in the entire secondary that will tackle and that is our 180 lb CB.
When 1 out of 10 running plays gets to the second level, that is not a scheme issue. It is not a LB/DL issue. It is normal for the NFL. But when 3/4 plays that hit the 2nd level go for TDs, that is a problem.
We might as well line up in a 4-4 and make teams pass to beat us though because our secondary is worthless vs the run.
sinnister
09-27-2009, 03:42 PM
Safety isnt he big issue. Its the DC. We have enough talent on this team to not be giving up 30 plus points to the likes of Jacksonville. Richard Smith's defense was better than this.
Safety is a huge issue. We have a single, decent safety in Wilson, and that is it. Our safety play today was terrible. Actually, that's a dis on the word terrible. Houston Texan safety play should be the phrase used to describe the worst of the worst.
chuck
09-27-2009, 03:59 PM
Please tell me what positive football characteristic Barber/Ferguson/Busing/etc has. None can tackle. None can hit. None can cover. None can run. None have any instincts. Not one actual football skill in the lot. And the same can be said for Fred Bennett. He may be a worse tackler than Philip Buchanon. Or maybe it is just that he is about as willing to hit as Buchanon was.
We have one guy in the entire secondary that will tackle and that is our 180 lb CB.
As you surely know you and I are often at football loggerheads, and that's fine with me. I don't want everyone to agree with all of my points and I appreciate being challenged on what I think and see by thoughtful people.
But you and I are on the same page here. The safeties have always been terrible, and Bennett has no discernible upside.
The Houston Texans are an irrelevant NFL franchise and I am completely sick of it and will not support it any longer.
Horsecollar tackle on Mario ought to do it. :(
Why was it a horsecollar on Mario behind the LOS, and it wasn't a horsecollar on in the Titans game when Schaubie was horsecollared? I do not understand this stupid rule. Seems like it works for everyone except the Texans.
I hate losing to any division opponent.
Sorry to see ya go, but so long Chuck. The Texans will be back even if you won't.
nunusguy
09-27-2009, 04:26 PM
Linebacking looks reasonably solid now, but after that there's only Mario. I think the DLine is as big of an issue as the DBackfield (including CB).
We can't stop the run and if the these backs keep getting into the second thru the huge holes at the los, makes no difference who plays the safeties for us.
And the Jags pass-protection wasn't bad at all even though we got some hurries on Gerade. I really like the Jags move of using their first 2 picks on OTs - controlling the los is #1. Why don't we do the same with our first 2 picks in next years Draft and get a couple tackles who can stop the run ?
But its early, very early and we're tied with the Jags and up on the Titans and if the Colts lose tonight, we're just a game behind the them.
It's obviously still anybodys division - maybe Manning breaks his leg tonight in the desert (c'mon Cards!) ?
mussop
09-27-2009, 04:40 PM
No its the safety. And though I'd love a playmaker, I'd settle for a guy who can tackle. Or a guy who can cover. I don't even need both. Just one or the other would be fine.
But somehow for the last 3 years we have put strong safeties on the field who not only can't cover, but they make up for it by not hitting or tackling.
Watch Barber on the last MJD TD run from inside the 10. Barber actually runs by MJD without realizing he has the ball. He literally dismisses him while MJD goes by him at walking speed.
At least Wilson can cover. He may not be able to tackle anyone, and he takes bad angles and is slow, but he has a single football skill. He can play centerfield and has the instincts to make a play within his limited range.
Please tell me what positive football characteristic Barber/Ferguson/Busing/etc has. None can tackle. None can hit. None can cover. None can run. None have any instincts. Not one actual football skill in the lot. And the same can be said for Fred Bennett. He may be a worse tackler than Philip Buchanon. Or maybe it is just that he is about as willing to hit as Buchanon was.
We have one guy in the entire secondary that will tackle and that is our 180 lb CB.
When 1 out of 10 running plays gets to the second level, that is not a scheme issue. It is not a LB/DL issue. It is normal for the NFL. But when 3/4 plays that hit the 2nd level go for TDs, that is a problem.
We might as well line up in a 4-4 and make teams pass to beat us though because our secondary is worthless vs the run.
I agree they suck but how are these safeties any different than they were last year? We obviously need to upgrade that area but what difference will that make if they line up in the wrong spot? There is no way you can lay the entire suckiness of our defense on the safeties. They are part of the problem but there are bigger issues involved. It starts with coaching. Richard Smith didnt have this problem with pretty much the same secondary. That aught to tell you something right there.
chuck
09-27-2009, 04:49 PM
Sorry to see ya go, but so long Chuck. The Texans will be back even if you won't.
First of all, you're not a season ticket holder so your opinion carries no financial commitment. Please continue to talk out your ass - like you alway do - for free. Second, back? Back from what? Last place?
Fonz the Boss
09-27-2009, 05:34 PM
The defensive problems cannot be fixed this year. They are not going to sign a player that all of a sudden makes the defense great. I dont think changing defensive schemes can do anything to change a below average defense. We need competent players in our secondary or else we will continue to get torched. I think its safe to assume that there wont be any playoffs this year. The surprising horrible start by the Titans at least gives us a chance to compete against the Colts for the division title. But then again saying we have a chance to win the division is laughable after this defeat.
To quote Jim Mora "that sucked.". Started with no build up to pregame player intro's to
No ingame stats (if you blink you miss them.). Horrid third down defense, a crappy call on
KW to the Chris Brown fumble. We had a chance to tie it and possibly win it with a coin toss.
However, it should not have come down to that. The defense was bad. Fred was abused ALL day.
Keith
09-27-2009, 05:56 PM
http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20090927.html
Sad to think I am wishing the Texans had gambled on bringing back Jacques Reeves early.
Nconroe
09-27-2009, 09:16 PM
Very disappointing result today. From game stats the time of possession, first downs, yards gained were essentially even. But we had one more turnover at just the wrong time or its into overtime. The defense has to get a little more consistent, its close. I'm not giving up on them, they can get a lot better. There is a lot of parity in the teams this year so looks like every game comes down to one or two mistakes or big plays of some type.
barrett
09-27-2009, 10:29 PM
I agree they suck but how are these safeties any different than they were last year? We obviously need to upgrade that area but what difference will that make if they line up in the wrong spot? There is no way you can lay the entire suckiness of our defense on the safeties. They are part of the problem but there are bigger issues involved. It starts with coaching. Richard Smith didnt have this problem with pretty much the same secondary. That aught to tell you something right there.
I partially agree with you, but partially disagree.
The reason we didn't get beat like this last year is that Bush is running a scheme that asks the Safeties to be more than warm bodies in the running game. With Smith's defense we basically just conceded small and medium gains in an effort to not give up the big play. Now we play upfield on the DL and make actual stops but then give up big runs as well.
Neither approach is right or wrong, they are right or wrong according to personell. And we are playing a style of defense that our personell does not supprt (mainly our entire secondary minus Dunta cannot tackle or hit). This is where I agree with you. Just look at the teams that play aggressive D and who lines up at safety (Polomalu, Reed, Rhodes). And look at the Eagles D that lost Brian Dawkins and kept blitzing.
You will notice in every thread last year calling for Richard Smith's head, I posted about us playing that way because of personell issues. Then you will notice me screaming at the top of my lungs all offseason for a Safety (if not a 1st then something). And you will notice in all of the preseason threads me saying more aggressive is not necessarily better if you give up big plays.
But the truth is no style or scheme works when your players are bad. That is why I would place the blame in this order.
1) Smith/Kubiak for thinking you can play a winning season with these guys.
2) Our Safeties for being terrible
3) And Frank Bush for running a scheme that cannot possible work with these players.
HPF Bob
09-28-2009, 02:13 AM
Safety is a huge issue. We have a single, decent safety in Wilson, and that is it. Our safety play today was terrible. Actually, that's a dis on the word terrible. Houston Texan safety play should be the phrase used to describe the worst of the worst.
Unless there's another 26 in uniform, Wilson sucks. He's "ole'd" so many tackles on the sidelines, it's not funny. And he had that personal foul call as well. Even Busing has caught his disease back there.
As for whether the problem is DC vs DBs, it's both. Bush designed a more aggressive defense which means we'll have more TFLs and more sacls but also more big plays against us because we aren't playing it safe. The problem is that the secondary isn't good enough to play high-risk defense without us getting burned a few times. I actually like the new system better because it beats playing a zone and being picked to death. They just need to find some DBs who can tackle and run all over the field. Right now, we have none.
TheMatrix31
09-28-2009, 06:07 AM
That was a painful loss, man.
I told you guys Maurice Drew was going to tear us apart, not like it was going out on any limb or anything.
popanot
09-28-2009, 06:45 AM
As for whether the problem is DC vs DBs, it's both. Bush designed a more aggressive defense which means we'll have more TFLs and more sacls but also more big plays against us because we aren't playing it safe. The problem is that the secondary isn't good enough to play high-risk defense without us getting burned a few times. I actually like the new system better because it beats playing a zone and being picked to death. They just need to find some DBs who can tackle and run all over the field. Right now, we have none.I don't know which team you're watching, but the team I've been watching for the last 3 weeks has NOT gotten all that many sacks (none yesterday, IIRC), has been giving up big plays at an alarming rate AND has been getting picked to death all over the field regardless of down or distance. Maybe they were getting picked to death last year, but at least they weren't giving up a ton of big plays. What that defense did yesterday against, IMO, one of the worst offenses in the league was sickening. Can't wait for that Colts game...
I was one of the proponents calling for Smith's head, but I have to say at this point, his defense was better than this. I don't think I've ever seen a defense give up so many 3rd-long's in my life. And it's not just the fault of the secondary. Where are the sacks? Where's the pressure? Where are the LB hits? No one is making plays - not even Demeco. This whole defense is fking horrible from the coaching to DL/LB/S.
The season's young and maybe these guys can turn it around, but I think the chances are slim. Oh well, we only have 13 more weeks of this suckitude and then we'll move on with another coaching staff who can maybe get something out of these guys. Why they didn't even take a sniff at hiring Gregg Williams as DC when they had the chance is beyond me. Look what he's done with the Aint's defense who has been notoriously bad. I don't recall them having a defense and secondary filled with of Pro Bowlers...
TexanJedi
09-28-2009, 10:24 AM
The season's young and maybe these guys can turn it around, but I think the chances are slim. Oh well, we only have 13 more weeks of this suckitude and then we'll move on with another coaching staff who can maybe get something out of these guys. Why they didn't even take a sniff at hiring Gregg Williams as DC when they had the chance is beyond me. Look what he's done with the Aint's defense who has been notoriously bad. I don't recall them having a defense and secondary filled with of Pro Bowlers...
It is somewhat amazing to see what the Saints have done on defense (still early though), or Denver for that matter, and they don't have any more talent than Houston save for a very veteran Darren Sharper at safety (and of course Dawkins in Denver). It just seems that when a move is to be made be it in coaching or hiring or even the draft (not so much as of late) or free agency, the Texans are more likely to make the wrong move, hence their record and history of futility. The draft and personnel selection has gotten better no doubt.
It's too early to say but if this proves to be Kubiak's last stand, the thing that concerns me is the fact that in all likelihood, unless he is sacked too, Rick Smith will be picking a new coach. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't like the thought of that. The frustrating thing is this team has talent, certainly more than we have ever had, but they are missing something, execution, discipline or whatever it is. In the event this season ends in disappointment i could see a new coaching staff (the right one, but who's that?) turning things around very quickly.
barrett
09-28-2009, 11:08 AM
It is somewhat amazing to see what the Saints have done on defense (still early though), or Denver for that matter, and they don't have any more talent than Houston save for a very veteran Darren Sharper at safety (and of course Dawkins in Denver). It just seems that when a move is to be made be it in coaching or hiring or even the draft (not so much as of late) or free agency, the Texans are more likely to make the wrong move, hence their record and history of futility. The draft and personnel selection has gotten better no doubt.
It's too early to say but if this proves to be Kubiak's last stand, the thing that concerns me is the fact that in all likelihood, unless he is sacked too, Rick Smith will be picking a new coach. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't like the thought of that. The frustrating thing is this team has talent, certainly more than we have ever had, but they are missing something, execution, discipline or whatever it is. In the event this season ends in disappointment i could see a new coaching staff (the right one, but who's that?) turning things around very quickly.
Denver has played bad offensive teams so far. I'll wait to see with them. New Orleans is simply playing with a lead.
Schaub has started slow in all 3 games. If we could get a fast start and play with a lead our issues against the run would not look so big even though we would have solved nothing.
sinnister
09-28-2009, 11:14 AM
Schaub has started slow in all 3 games. If we could get a fast start and play with a lead our issues against the run would not look so big even though we would have solved nothing.
To play with the lead a few things must happen.
1. We get the ball first
2. We score
3. The defense actually stops the team on their first series
You are asking a lot..........
popanot
09-28-2009, 12:04 PM
Denver has played bad offensive teams so far. I'll wait to see with them.It's not like we've been playing the offensive juggernauts of the league. I shudder at the thought of these guys going up against the Cardinals, Bengals, 49ers and Colts over the next few weeks. Hell, with the way they're playing it wouldn't shock me to see the Raiders running game roll them over and JaMarcus Russell having career day. Same with Buffalo...
Every time they got the lead yesterday to the defense just rolled into the fetal position and gave it right up.
The Colts are going to do bad things to us. My blood is going to boil as I watch that chicken necked geek surgically carve us to shreds....again. I can't stand Dallas Clark. He will be running all alone all over the field.
It is really perplexing to me that it seems like we have good enough coaches on that side to be decent defense. Kollar, Rhodes, Holland and Bush. That is not like having complete scrubs figuring out what the hell to do. To have Jacksonville with a horrid QB run up 400 yards is incredible. Just infreakincredible.
Fonz the Boss
09-28-2009, 12:51 PM
We are gonna have to trade one of our offensive horses in order to make our defense better. I would say that Owen Daniels is the first to go.
First of all, you're not a season ticket holder so your opinion carries no financial commitment. Please continue to talk out your ass - like you alway do - for free. Second, back? Back from what? Last place?
Tsh, Tsh, Tsh, we do get angry don't we.
sinnister
09-28-2009, 04:24 PM
I hate to say this, but is it possible Reeves could play worse than Bennett......I mean, that is pretty much impossible......right????
Big Texas
09-28-2009, 05:57 PM
I am going to get a lot of disagreement here, but who cares:
1. I don't think that Bush is the problem.
2. The problem is solely on our safety play and Corners minus Dunta specifically Fred Bennett, whose been getting lit up like a Christmas tree.
Yes our DT's are a problem but they are not the reason we are losing. We did a magnificent job on Jones-Drew, Henry, and Johnson for most of the time. You have got to be kidding yourself if you think that we can shut those players down all game. (of course it canhappen but not for us right now) Every now and then the RB is going to get into the secondary. They have to be there to do there part. What do they think, the action will never come their way. We did a damn good job on Drew for the most part until Busing decided he was Polamalu and tried to get a jump on on the run. Drew cut back and never looked back. Its not like Wilson was gonna help.
Overall our safeties are not good and not fast so we cannot afford to have them do anything else but play safety. (Hence the name) Be the last line of defense. Dont try to do things you are not capable of doing. Just stay back watch and wait. In other words lane integrity.
Also the reason we are getting torched on 3rd down is because the teams we have played have made a strong commitment to the run. Then on third and long they realize that Bennett and everyone not named Dunta can't cover. Did you see #11 misuse and abuse Bennett. It always seems to be on third down. Wait til Peyton gets a look at our secondary.
Big Texas
09-28-2009, 06:01 PM
One more thing. Why were the Colts able to be successful with horrible DT's. People literally exposed them up the gut. However, they had an offense that could run with the best of them and they had a Safety net back there who no one was getting past.
TheMatrix31
09-28-2009, 09:10 PM
I am going to get a lot of disagreement here, but who cares:
1. I don't think that Bush is the problem.
2. The problem is solely on our safety play and Corners minus Dunta specifically Fred Bennett, whose been getting lit up like a Christmas tree.
Yes our DT's are a problem but they are not the reason we are losing. We did a magnificent job on Jones-Drew, Henry, and Johnson for most of the time. You have got to be kidding yourself if you think that we can shut those players down all game. (of course it canhappen but not for us right now) Every now and then the RB is going to get into the secondary. They have to be there to do there part. What do they think, the action will never come their way. We did a damn good job on Drew for the most part until Busing decided he was Polamalu and tried to get a jump on on the run. Drew cut back and never looked back. Its not like Wilson was gonna help.
Overall our safeties are not good and not fast so we cannot afford to have them do anything else but play safety. (Hence the name) Be the last line of defense. Dont try to do things you are not capable of doing. Just stay back watch and wait. In other words lane integrity.
Also the reason we are getting torched on 3rd down is because the teams we have played have made a strong commitment to the run. Then on third and long they realize that Bennett and everyone not named Dunta can't cover. Did you see #11 misuse and abuse Bennett. It always seems to be on third down. Wait til Peyton gets a look at our secondary.
Nope, I fully agree.
It IS on the coaches to make adjustments though.
Fonz the Boss
09-28-2009, 10:42 PM
At least the Cowboys won. It would have been an even worse week for me if the Cowboys would have lost.
bckey
09-29-2009, 05:56 AM
I am going to get a lot of disagreement here, but who cares:
1. I don't think that Bush is the problem.
2. The problem is solely on our safety play and Corners minus Dunta specifically Fred Bennett, whose been getting lit up like a Christmas tree.
Yes our DT's are a problem but they are not the reason we are losing. We did a magnificent job on Jones-Drew, Henry, and Johnson for most of the time. You have got to be kidding yourself if you think that we can shut those players down all game. (of course it canhappen but not for us right now) Every now and then the RB is going to get into the secondary. They have to be there to do there part. What do they think, the action will never come their way. We did a damn good job on Drew for the most part until Busing decided he was Polamalu and tried to get a jump on on the run. Drew cut back and never looked back. Its not like Wilson was gonna help.
Overall our safeties are not good and not fast so we cannot afford to have them do anything else but play safety. (Hence the name) Be the last line of defense. Dont try to do things you are not capable of doing. Just stay back watch and wait. In other words lane integrity.
Also the reason we are getting torched on 3rd down is because the teams we have played have made a strong commitment to the run. Then on third and long they realize that Bennett and everyone not named Dunta can't cover. Did you see #11 misuse and abuse Bennett. It always seems to be on third down. Wait til Peyton gets a look at our secondary.
You are giving Dunta way too much credit. He was abused by Tory Holt. I'll admit Bennett was way worse but Dunta was sucking out there too. Garrard just threw Bennetts way more because he was the worst of the db's and he knew it was easy completions all day long.
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