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Keith
08-04-2009, 08:59 PM
Starting a new thread on Dunta. I'm just plain tired of the old one.
With the broken fibula to Jacques Reeves, how does this change your view of Robinson right now?
The Texans still cannot sign him long-term, but they can sweeten the F-tag with extra 2009 cash or a promise to not tag him in 2010. Worth it?
And even if they do, should/would Dunta accept now, or still wait until a week or so before the Week 1 opener? If I'm him, I'm wondering if I'm still doin' aight without any fractured bones myself, at least in August.
oh, and PFT posted this on Reeves/Robinson, including a little dig at McClain and the chron Sports desk...
That means the team has a greater need for Robinson, who has not yet signed a one-year franchise tender. (And we got a real kick out of this absurdly obvious pro-Texans/anti-player line from McClain's article: "Dunta Robinson, the franchise player who hasn't reported, could help the problem if he would sign his one-year tender and join his teammates.") ...
Reeves was replaced by Brice McCain, a sixth-round draft pick in 2009.
So, yeah, they'd be wise to get Robinson, who has no moral obligation to "sign his one-year tender and join his teammates," into camp.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/04/jacques-hears-a-crack/
barrett
08-04-2009, 09:28 PM
I don't think you make any additional offers to get him into camp. I think if you do you have handed over all leverage by giving in to his needs and you can kiss him goodbye and the chance at any compensation should he leave.
I still say the 9.9 sits out there for him and it is his only option.
bckey
08-04-2009, 09:29 PM
This doesn't change my view of Dunta one bit. If he continues to hold out and then sign a few days before the season starts I'll dislike him even more. Especially if Vic Carucci has a reliable league source that isn't John McClain. From his article about the Texans posted on NFL.com today:
Extra points
» The team's hierarchy isn't happy that Robinson is missing from camp, especially since, according to league sources, he has been offered a deal that would make him the NFL's second highest-paid player at his position. Robinson also is missing valuable work in Bush's new scheme.
If Dunta was offered a deal like Gamble with $23 million guaranteed then he either really thought he wouldn't be franchised and could just walk away or he isn't very smart when it comes to finances and self evaluation. I wouldn't contact him or even show any interest in him. The tag is there and he already knows it. Sign it or don't. I don't care anymore. If he really is set on leaving Houston then I would just assume we find a way to get rid of him.
nunusguy
08-05-2009, 06:08 AM
In lieu of getting Robinson into camp soon this month so he can be ready to go Day 1 of the regular-season against the Jets, Smith/Kubiak are going to have to pull off a trade. I dunno, but I'm thinking starting rookie, seventh-round Draft pick Brice McCain agasint the jets is not an option they really want to be left with ? Especially since this is "the" season when the Texans need a strong early start with a favorable September schedule to have the franchises first winning/playoff season.
So they are gonna have to pull off a trade if they don't go no-tag with Robinson and let him fly away after 2009 without compensation. Jacobey Jones has got to be the most logical bait, or maybe even David Anderson given how strong they are at WR ? And then I'm not even sure if that would fetch them a descent reserver CB, given how important that position is ? I dunno, would they consider trading OD for a real NFL corner if given the opportunity ?
Nconroe
08-05-2009, 08:13 AM
For Dunta, I'm with bckey. Texans made their more than fair offer, all the way in Dunta's court on next step. Texans play who is in camp, and it might be better anways, it is just an unknown to us right now. We'll know as preseason unfolds.
cadams
08-05-2009, 09:47 AM
honestly, they are better with him than without him. golver appears to be doing well, but i hope they don't need him at anything more than nickle unless it is because he is playing so well they have to start him. as for dunta showing up, i really don't have a problem with him missing two a days, especially given the chance for injury. he is a vet, he knows what to do, if he is back for 2-3 of the preseason games then i think he will be fine.
It is pretty plain to me. Dunta has worn out his welcome here. If we are now down to 6th rnd pick Brice McCain, so be it!
TexanJedi
08-05-2009, 10:32 AM
Surely a vet CB will be cut at some point and the Texans can look there. Dunta has to come in at some point, but I would have a backup plan.
Keith
08-05-2009, 11:05 AM
I think it's best to set aside the emotional aspect for a bit, this is business.
The question isn't about whether Dunta is worth $23 million or more, it's whether you agree to either promise not to tag him again in 2010 or sweeten the 2009 compensation to more than $9.957 million in order to get him into camp a couple weeks earlier.
I think I'd agree with barrett on this. Wait it out. Dunta is a vet, maybe he's rusty, but he knows the drill. And the initial slate of regular season games isn't going to be against teams known for prolific passing offenses.
vs. Jets
@ Titans
vs. Jaguars
vs. Raiders
You have to get all the way to Week 5, with reasonably you have both a healthy Reeves and a less rusty Dunta, when you play the Cardinals (with Fitzgerald, Boldin, et al.).
I am on the wait side. Once the season starts, he will be back, I can't imagine he would give up that kind of game check. I am sure he is stayong in "shape", and will get back to form quickly. No need to sweeten the pot. IMO.
It is pretty plain to me. Dunta has worn out his welcome here.
Based on what? How did he wear out his welcome? Because you said so? He has not signed his contract, so he is not violating any rule and is not being fined. It is his right not to be in camp. I wish he was in camp, but I see his point, He could get hurt and be done for his career. It was also his right not to sign the long term offer the Texans made, and it was the Texans right not to cave into his every wish.
While, I would love that he be in camp with his teammates, when he gets back I (and the team) will welcome him back with open arms.
EndZoneSeats
08-05-2009, 03:43 PM
More and more I am beginning to hold this against Dunta. He's not quite worth the money that has been talked about -- whether he actually got the offers that have been reported I cannot say. However, by holding out this year when he's clearly going to be well paid in 2009, and the Texans are playing by the rules, is bad form.
If he shows up two days before the first game and is not in playing shape or up to speed, my disappointment in Dunta will edge closer to anger.
barrett
08-05-2009, 04:35 PM
I'm just not sure what Dunta is doing here.
If he is fully recovered from the injury I would think he would simply play the year in Top form so he can be paid huge next year. The current tactic only hurts his value when he eventually hits the market and discourages teams from trading for him.
If he is not recovered fully, then he would have taken the long term deal he was offered and ran with it. All that makes sense here is that he was %100 convinced the Texans would cave.
Now that no new deal can be reached, all he could be angling for is a promise of no tag next year. But at what cost? If he gets the promise of no tag next year but misses most of camp and has a bad start as a result, he's cost himself millions by not having the best season he can have.
My guess is he signs the offer early enough to start 16 games. Otherwise he is cutting into next year's payday by sacrificing this year's performance. I just hope the Reeves injury doesn't convince him that the Texans are that much closer to giving in.
dadmg
08-05-2009, 04:41 PM
I think it's best to set aside the emotional aspect for a bit, this is business.
Couldn't agree more. I have trouble reading through Dunta threads because they seem more emotional than rational to me. But I guess it all depends on your perspective.
The question isn't about whether Dunta is worth $23 million or more, it's whether you agree to either promise not to tag him again in 2010 or sweeten the 2009 compensation to more than $9.957 million in order to get him into camp a couple weeks earlier.
I think I'd agree with barrett on this. Wait it out. Dunta is a vet, maybe he's rusty, but he knows the drill.
I agree that having Dunta in camp isn't a huge concern to me because he is a veteran and it's not as hard for a corner to adjust to a new DC as any other position on the D. But, at the same time, Reeves' injury has just given Dunta significantly more leverage imo. Before this, I would've guess that Dunta would be signed before the regular season to a deal that didn't include a do-not-tag, although I wouldn't have been sure enough to lay money on it; with the Reeves injury, I think Dunta's much more likely to get that which I don't want him to get, the do-not-tag provision. I certainly hope they're able to find a way to sweeten the deal without including this provision.
Big Texas
08-06-2009, 08:07 AM
I agree, this Reeves injury has really thrown a curve ball. It is pretty apparent the need for Dunta now. Despite what we may or may not think that Dunta is worth, reality is its all about supply and demand. Right now we are looking at starting a 6th round rookie CB for the season. At this point I would venture to say that he, or someone of his caliber, is in high demand right now. Sad to say the Reeves injury benefits Dunta right now. Now maybe stronger play by Mcain or Quin could possibly dilute a little of Dunta's momentum.
Me, personally, pay the man and get it over with.
edo783
08-06-2009, 09:18 AM
Me, personally, pay the man and get it over with.
Nothing to do on that front. The ball is in his court. All he needs/can do is sign or not sign the franchise sheet. They have passed the date for doing a long term deal and have to wait until after the season to get back to that part of it.
Big Texas
08-06-2009, 09:24 AM
I forgot about that. Well it really is simply up to him to work his behind off and prove he is worth the major deal.
Maybe he just doesn't wanna attend training camp in the heat. LOL.
superbowlbound
08-06-2009, 03:13 PM
I think it simply amounts to the fact that training camp isn't fun, and he doesn't want to do it. He got his feelings hurt when the Texans gave him a deal that was more than he's worth (methinks his agent was expecting a low-ball offer, as in "Dunta, whatever they offer you, turn it down. They're going to offer you less than another team. That's a fact") and then balked at letting him walk for nothing. Really this holdout reeks of, in my best cartman voice, "screw you guys, i'm going home." He's certainly not accomplishing anything from a negotiations standpoint, and as far as injuries go, his entire tender is guaranteed from the second he signs it, healthy or with a broken neck. I really do have a hard time really wrapping my head around how ridiculous dunta's behavior has been, given the relationship he's had with this team and this city for the past 5 years. "waaa, i don't wanna go to training camp!" is the only thing that makes any sense to me.
Rick Smith should just tell him there will be no tag next year and be done with it.
He can always change his mind later :)...............
Based on what? How did he wear out his welcome? Because you said so? He has not signed his contract, so he is not violating any rule and is not being fined. It is his right not to be in camp. I wish he was in camp, but I see his point, He could get hurt and be done for his career. It was also his right not to sign the long term offer the Texans made, and it was the Texans right not to cave into his every wish.
While, I would love that he be in camp with his teammates, when he gets back I (and the team) will welcome him back with open arms.
No, smart aleck, not because I say so, because a lot of us are tired of his one-sidedness. Sure it's a business, but at some point you have to believe you have made your point and get down to the business of winning this year.
bckey
08-06-2009, 08:01 PM
Rick Smith should just tell him there will be no tag next year and be done with it.
He can always change his mind later :)...............
I like this thinking.
Keith
08-07-2009, 11:14 PM
Dunta speaks! Dunta speaks!!
Robinson declared he would be on “the first thing smoking” and at practice tomorrow morning if the Texans would agree not to place a franchise tag on him for a second consecutive year.
“I’d be on the way to the airport while we were talking, and be the first one at the next practice if they did that,” Robinson said in a telephone interview from Sarasota, Fla., where he is working out to prepare for the upcoming season.
then he said...
“We’re not inclined to agree to that,” Texans general manager Rick Smith said. “It has less to do with Dunta Robinson, and more to do with organization. We don’t feel comfortable doing that, so we’re not going to.” ...
“If Dunta were a two- or three- or four-time Pro Bowler, I’d be more comfortable with him missing training camp,” Smith said. “But he needs to be here for his teammates and for him. He plays a skilled position that the more reps, the more snaps, he gets, the better he’s going to be.
and then he said...
Robinson said he doesn't feel like he's asking for much. "It’s what other teams do and have done,” he said. “It’s not a crazy request. I’m trying to meet them in the middle, but they won’t come halfway. I would have been at all the offseason stuff, and at training camp from Day 1 if they just agreed to that.” ...
“He said I wasn’t a franchise tag-worthy player,” Robinson said. “If that’s the case, then why pay me franchise-level money? And possibly two years in a row? Doesn’t make sense to me.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6564888.html
Finally a cool article on this subject from the chron. Thank you Jerome.
Be mad all you want at Dunta, or Rick, or the sun and moon, whatever... but Dunta sorta has a point, maybe? I mean, Dunta was asking for a contract this offseason equal to what he might have earned if proven healthy. Ok, tag him. Next year, he's either already proved it and it's easier to pay him, or he isn't worth the second F-tag.
The only reason to retain the tag would be leverage for trade value. I get that. But at what cost? The Texans need to have their best team ready on the field Week 1.
edo783
08-08-2009, 12:54 AM
Give us the right to match any offer (sort of like a RFA) he gets next year and I'm good to go. I still think 9.9 million is too much, but to get the drama done and meet somewhere in the middle...
nunusguy
08-08-2009, 07:31 AM
Once again, I don't think Dunta Robinson wants to be living and/or playing football in Houston, TX. Why ? I dunno, but I'm convinced its not a monetary issue regarding what the Texans are willing to pay him or anything about contract terms, its an issue about geography.
barrett
08-08-2009, 09:46 AM
So is Solomon Dunta's new agent? He actually wrote two different, full length articles in the same day that both say the same thing. Dunta is still a good guy and the Texans should agree to not tag him again next year.
I understand an opinion piece on this from a sports writer, but he wrote two, literally in the same day. He even has lines in one he used in the other. Do they not have an editor at the chronicle to catch that sort of thing. Maybe tell him to delay one by a week.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6565222.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6564888.html
In both articles his main argument is that the Patriots and Titans once had franchise players and agreed to not tagging them again, so the Texans should too. Nowhere does he mention that the Patriots and the rest of the league had dozens of other franchise players who were tagged and given no promise. I mean just a few months ago the Pats tagged Matt Cassell with no promise of year 2 freedom. Karlos Dansby was tagged for the 2nd straight year and is in camp right now. In all 14 players were tagged and only Dunta is not in camp. That didn't make either article though. Just how the Texans are being cruel and that just because they have a weapon, they should be careful in "how they use that hammer."
gunslinger57
08-08-2009, 12:55 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why Dunta and Jerome seem to think the Texans should hamstring themselves next off-season with the possibility of losing their best DB with absolutely no compensation. THAT'S bad business, not making Dunta play for "only" $9.9 million for the year.
Besides that, if the rumors were true, didn't the Texans make a fair market value offer that Robinson turned down? He would have been a top 3 or 4 paid CB (again, if true) and everyone would have been happy. Instead, he turns it down and holds out despite coming off a severe injury and needs all the reps he can get. I don't have much sympathy for the player in this case.
painekiller
08-08-2009, 03:32 PM
Give us the right to match any offer (sort of like a RFA) he gets next year and I'm good to go. I still think 9.9 million is too much, but to get the drama done and meet somewhere in the middle...
The union would be all over Dunta for that one.
I'm still trying to figure out why Dunta and Jerome seem to think the Texans should hamstring themselves next off-season with the possibility of losing their best DB with absolutely no compensation. THAT'S bad business, not making Dunta play for "only" $9.9 million for the year.
Besides that, if the rumors were true, didn't the Texans make a fair market value offer that Robinson turned down? He would have been a top 3 or 4 paid CB (again, if true) and everyone would have been happy. Instead, he turns it down and holds out despite coming off a severe injury and needs all the reps he can get. I don't have much sympathy for the player in this case.
That they did.......and that is the major reason I have turned against Dunta.
edo783
08-08-2009, 05:46 PM
The union would be all over Dunta for that one.
Yeah, I know that, just thought it would be a good PR move by the team to get that into the press and have Dunta snivel about that also and run to the league/union rules to hide under. He would just be showing more of his true colors.
dadmg
08-09-2009, 12:16 AM
No, smart aleck, not because I say so, because a lot of us are tired of his one-sidedness. Sure it's a business, but at some point you have to believe you have made your point and get down to the business of winning this year.
I think Mike's point was more than fair. The franchise tag is a useful tool, but any GM that uses it has to be wary of a holdout. I don't think either side (management or Dunta) is being unreasonable, but the vehement reaction from fans surprises me. Dunta has certainly not worn out his welcome with me and likely not with his teammates or management. When I see bluster about how we should not try to bring him back or that he's worn out his welcome, the same thing Mike said goes through my mind.
popanot
08-09-2009, 08:32 AM
I like Dunta and hope we can work out a long-term deal next year, but the man is absolutely delusional if he thinks the Texans will waive the tag option for next year. The guy apparently is getting horrible advice from his agent.
cloudwasher
08-09-2009, 11:48 AM
I know he's pissed about not getting a contract or being able to test the free agency market, but here's what it comes down to: Either out of greed or respect, he wants a big contract. If it were a matter of just getting out of Houston, he'd probably have demanded a trade by now. He is only shooting himself in the foot by not being out there for training camp. There's a new defensive coordinator and new secondary coach and assuming he sits all of training camp, he's going to come back week 1 and not be on the same page as everyone else. Its then going to take him several games, if not half the season, to get himself back up where he could've been starting the season at. He's then going to bring up questions about whether he has fully recovered and whether he is truly consistent (never really got back up to his full potential last year either) and end up lowering his market value.... and all thats assuming he doesnt get injured in the first half of the season before he gets back up to full speed and REALLY screw his value.
The bottom line is the guy is getting some really bad advice. I know he's worried about getting injured in training camp, but you're a lot less likely to get injured by teammates than opposing players that don't give a damn about preserving you for the season and are coming straight at you. That likelihood is amplified if you're not going full speed because you've sat out training camp and aren't as prepared.
That's my two cents.
itssharif
08-09-2009, 02:04 PM
I apologize for my irresponsible actions of posting information that should not have been posted. The business side of football should remain behind closed doors and I should have respected the parties involved in their respect to privacy within the matter.
superbowlbound
08-09-2009, 05:41 PM
I don't understand why there has been absolutely no talk of a conditional ban on using the franchise tag next year. Dunta obviously wants all-pro money. He turned down Chris Gamble's contract with his name on it, so he obviously thinks pretty highly of his worth on the field. Why the Texans wouldn't be willing to say, "fine. You start in the pro bowl, which would make you one of the top 4 corners in football, or 'worthy of the franchise tag', and we won't use it again." I don't see much of a downside here. Sure, the possibility exists that he'll achieve that incentive and walk leaving us with nothing, but I don't really see that happening. Eventually, especially as you become a really good team, you've got to let certain players go when their contract demands exceed their on-field value, for the good of the team. The way I see it, Dunta's not worthy of the franchise-tag now, nor will he be next season. I say give him a conditional promise, so that when he doesn't quite meet that standard, he has that extra motivation to get a deal done before the deadline to franchise.
He has to have learned something about the business side of the NFL through all of this. Get your butt into camp so you can get up to speed, and then go play for your new contract, be it here or somewhere else. You're not helping anyone at all by holding out right now.
Really it's that that's put such a sour taste in my mouth towards dunta. He is gaining literally nothing. All he's doing is showing the entire league that he can be every bit as stubborn as chad ocho cinco or to. That is not a positive thing.
His tender this year is a sunk cost regardless, so give him that conditional release, get him here and up to speed, enjoy his playing his heart out for a new contract for (hopefully) 19 games, and then worry about signing him long-term. Let him earn his way out of the tag. I'm not convinced that the 2010 offseason is going to be as rife with spending as some of the players may think. With an improved front 7, adding a safety or 2 in the draft next year, and we can be fine with jaques and freddy on the outside with quin and mccain as the nickel/dime going forward. Give us a healthy run into the playoffs, and the chemistry boost you get from a vocal leader like dunta will be far less of an issue, I assure you.
cadams
08-10-2009, 02:22 PM
i think the key there is long term. they can change the terms of the one year franchise deal i believe.
papabear
08-10-2009, 02:33 PM
i think the key there is long term. they can change the terms of the one year franchise deal i believe.
No, The franchise tag is the average of the top 5 salaries for that position or a % raise(don't remeber the exact %) over the players last year salart, whichever is higher. I might not have that 100% correct, but the franchise tag amount is set by the CBA. It's nothing the Texans have control over.
No, smart aleck, not because I say so, because a lot of us are tired of his one-sidedness. Sure it's a business, but at some point you have to believe you have made your point and get down to the business of winning this year.
I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.
The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)
Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.
itssharif
08-10-2009, 02:51 PM
Guys I have posted information that I should not have posted. It was irresponsible of me. My request to those who have copied and pasted my quote is to please remove it if you don't mind. I should have respected the privacy of the parties involved in their business matter and it was irrespobsible of me not to do so.
painekiller
08-10-2009, 03:09 PM
No, The franchise tag is the average of the top 5 salaries for that position or a % raise(don't remeber the exact %) over the players last year salart, whichever is higher. I might not have that 100% correct, but the franchise tag amount is set by the CBA. It's nothing the Texans have control over.
They can agree to a higher amount and they can agree to clauses like Haynesworth got.
But the Texans do not have to agree to anything more than the CBA states.
papabear
08-10-2009, 03:12 PM
They can agree to a higher amount and they can agree to clauses like Haynesworth got.
But the Texans do not have to agree to anything more than the CBA states.
I knew they could add riders, like the pro bowl for Haynesworth, but I didn't realize they could go over the franchise amount...although as long as they paid the minimum I guess that makes sense. I just didn't realize it was an option.
I think Mike's point was more than fair. The franchise tag is a useful tool, but any GM that uses it has to be wary of a holdout. I don't think either side (management or Dunta) is being unreasonable, but the vehement reaction from fans surprises me. Dunta has certainly not worn out his welcome with me and likely not with his teammates or management. When I see bluster about how we should not try to bring him back or that he's worn out his welcome, the same thing Mike said goes through my mind.
Everbody is entitled to their own opinion, and we all know that's all it is. What I didn't like was Mike getting personal, so I replied in the same vein.
What exactly is Dunta's problem? He was offered a contract which would pay him in the top 2 to 3% of the league, and a $23M guarantee. Then when that wasn't acceptable the Texans put the F-tag on him for $9.7M big ones. Nothing wrong there. NO, what Dunta doesn't like is the F-tag thing. Nothing personal in that, the Texans just protecting their investment until Dunta figures out what he really does want. So he flies off the handle at that. He can't have it both ways. He is hurting himself and the team because he doesn't want to be F-tagged next year too. Now he gets unreasonable. And that is what bothers me.
kravix
08-11-2009, 02:40 AM
I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.
The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)
Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.
That was uncalled for. Just because we as fans, who are entitled to our own opinion just as you are, do not agree with the lack of a resolution to negotiations between Dunta and the Texans does not in any way qualify anyone as a bigot.
That said, it is not just the fans that are pondering this. I cant find the quote, but it is a recent article on the main site, Carucci goes on record as perplexed to the reasons DRob would turn down top monies. Glenn Earl said as much on 610 the other day, which I am sure in on their podcasts.
Dunta is not a probowl player, pre injury he was maybe a top 10 CB, but at this point no one knows if he could even return to that. To turn down the offer, which has been reported, is not even close to condusive to the calibre of player he is. The more I think about it, the more i wish the team hadnt tagged him. Although there are some really really dumb franchises out there, I cant think of a single one that would have offered a non probowl player who had just suffered a potentialy career ending injury they reported sum the Texans did.
If he comes back and becomes a probowler, sweet. If he comes back and plays the way he has every year, not worth 10M IMO. Its pure speculation at this point either way.
The sad fact is, the Texans have been so defunt in talent over the years that even one really good player is a god. If it were C/C then he would have gotten paid, but its not. Its K/S who are more interested in building a team than a "support a medicore player foundation".
cadams
08-11-2009, 09:09 AM
I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.
The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)
Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.
No need for this.
No need for this.
The point is we all (including me) should just let it go. Dunta will be in when he is ready, and all the emotion we all share on this is wasted. There is nothing we can do, so let's not get all lathered up about it. Concentrate on the players that are there in camp. The Texans are bigger than one guy. If the Great Gretzky can be traded and replaced, so can Dunta.
I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.
The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)
Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.
I can't believe you have chosen to make such a vendetta out of someones opinion. You don't have a magic wand that tells you how someone really feels, especially since all you'er doing is reading posts, not talking to the individual themselves. I am going to say one more thing about this and then you can rant all you want, I will not respond further. I have been a supporter of pro football in Houston since probably before you were born. As for being a "hater", I'm afraid I will just have to pass that one to you.
barrett
08-11-2009, 12:05 PM
The point is we all (including me) should just let it go. Dunta will be in when he is ready, and all the emotion we all share on this is wasted. There is nothing we can do, so let's not get all lathered up about it. Concentrate on the players that are there in camp. The Texans are bigger than one guy. If the Great Gretzky can be traded and replaced, so can Dunta.
Actually it seems like a great discussion for a message board that is based on sharing opinions. If you are so bothered by someone else's opinion that you turn to insults, try staying out of the thread.
And for what it's worth, I agreed with you until that last post. I just happened to think NBT can be upset about Dunta if he feels like it.
I also think there are probably players on the Texans who are feeling less than positive towards Dunta right now, and if he does not report in time to be ready for week 1 (at least 2 weeks out), I bet most of the team has a problem with him.
papabear
08-12-2009, 10:44 AM
Well my opinion is that my virtual penis is bigger than yours:p
nunusguy
08-21-2009, 06:56 AM
I dunno, wonder when D-Rob makes his grand entrance to the Texans practice field before the start of the regular season ? Will it be sometime in the next couple weeks between now and the final preseason game, or does he wait until the Labor-Day week leading up to the Jets home-opener ?
painekiller
08-21-2009, 09:40 AM
IMO now that 2 a days are over, he will be in soon. I hope.
If he waits until labor day, then I'm POed and thinking about either rescinding his franchise tag, or I am thinking of a trade as soon as he signs.
Trouble is, as it stands now, you would think that other teams would have been calling, inquiring about a sign & trade deal. That doesn't seem to have been the case, so me thinks DR may be overvaluing himself in this market. JMHO.
painekiller
08-21-2009, 12:43 PM
JMHO.
I don't think you are the only one thinking this, me thinks so too.
Bigtinylittle
08-21-2009, 01:05 PM
My theory is that just like Favre, he didn't want the wear and tear on his body that comes from two-a-days, and decided to skip them. That strategy worked in nicely with his effort to avoid a franchise tag next year. I hope that the Texans don't give in on that.
nero THE zero
08-21-2009, 02:08 PM
Dunta has said that if the Texans do not promise to not franchise him again next season (which they won't,) he will be here for the opener. He has to be in the Monday (Sept. 7, Labor Day) prior to the first game in order to get paid for the first game.
According to my calculations, he'll be here on Labor Day.
Dennis2112
08-22-2009, 01:37 AM
Dunta has said that if the Texans do not promise to not franchise him again next season (which they won't,) he will be here for the opener. He has to be in the Monday (Sept. 7, Labor Day) prior to the first game in order to get paid for the first game.
According to my calculations, he'll be here on Labor Day.
I just think that will not go over too well with many of his teammates.
popanot
08-22-2009, 11:16 AM
I just think that will not go over too well with many of his teammates.I don't think his teammates will be bothered by this at all. They're all of the same fraternity, and while they all may not be selfish or take the same route as DR, they understand they need make as much as they can when they can. As for DR, I know it's a longshot, but my hope is they find a couple guys who can play well enough to let DR sit on the pine for awhile or at least force him into the nickel role. That would screw him over pretty good for next year.
I know he has been working out somewhere, but not going 1 on 1 with NFL type receivers (they are all in camps). I don't see how he can be that sharp if he doesn't report until the first game. :mad:
edo783
08-22-2009, 06:43 PM
I know he has been working out somewhere, but not going 1 on 1 with NFL type receivers (they are all in camps). I don't see how he can be that sharp if he doesn't report until the first game. :mad:
He can't be and that means we will actually be spending MORE than 10 million on him. For 10 million you expect him to be fully up and going from game one through 16. If he isn't you are spending more than you thought you would because your getting less than what you are paying for.
barrett
08-22-2009, 10:18 PM
I don't think his teammates will be bothered by this at all. They're all of the same fraternity, and while they all may not be selfish or take the same route as DR, they understand they need make as much as they can when they can. As for DR, I know it's a longshot, but my hope is they find a couple guys who can play well enough to let DR sit on the pine for awhile or at least force him into the nickel role. That would screw him over pretty good for next year.
Some teammates will have a problem. Some will not. And the longer he goes without reporting when contract negotiations are no longer even possible, the less the team will be on his side.
nunusguy
08-23-2009, 11:32 AM
I don't think his teammates will be bothered by this at all. They're all of the same fraternity
Actually they're all of the same union and Smith, Kubiak, & McNair are the Company. And it's a union/company matter so I'd imagine the Texans' players to a man support Robinson, especially if they know there's some truth to reports that Smith promished not to tag Robinson.
Smith may have said they would not put the F-tag on him when they were deep in negotiation for a new long term contract. When Dunta's side started playing hardball, so did Smith. Besides it is just good business. As I have said before, Dunta cannot have it both ways.
Big Texas
08-23-2009, 04:13 PM
IMO, I just don't think that we are getting all the facts. The media has a way of distorting the truth for the purpose of making a story out of it.
With that said I don't know what the underlying factors are that may be influencing Dunta right now, or with Smith. Evidently they both don't wanna budge. That's where we are right now.
As far as his teammates being mad at him. I don't believe so. It may hinder him being a team leader. but as far as team members being upset; I just don't believe so. This type of thing happens often.
Lastly, the remedy for all of this is for Dunta to come in week 1 and play at a high level. If he does the Texans will be fighting to resign him to a long term contract, given the sub par conditions we are in now.
barrett
08-23-2009, 05:17 PM
IMO, I just don't think that we are getting all the facts. The media has a way of distorting the truth for the purpose of making a story out of it.
With that said I don't know what the underlying factors are that may be influencing Dunta right now, or with Smith. Evidently they both don't wanna budge. That's where we are right now.
As far as his teammates being mad at him. I don't believe so. It may hinder him being a team leader. but as far as team members being upset; I just don't believe so. This type of thing happens often.
Lastly, the remedy for all of this is for Dunta to come in week 1 and play at a high level. If he does the Texans will be fighting to resign him to a long term contract, given the sub par conditions we are in now.
Does it?
Every other one of the 14 guys who were hit with the franchise tag are in camp and none of them got any gaurantees about no 2nd year.
And the July 15 deadline means that it is pointless to keep holding out because you can't get a new deal after that anyways. This means Dunta has been missing for the past month for no reason (other than an agent trying to save face after negotiating too hard).
So tell me how many times a guy has held out this far after being franchised. This actually doesn't happen often.
Big Texas
08-23-2009, 09:36 PM
I understand your frustration (and everyone elses). I was simply stating that we don't know what is really going on behind closed doors. Because as you have stated it is too late to sign a long term deal now and two a days are over. So, just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe there is something else going on.
It is quite possible that his agent put his foot in his mouth, and pride is keeping him from owning up to it. Or there's something else.
My thing is we need him right now. Whether he is or is not back to the old Dunta. Just his game experience alone is an upgrade over what we will be starting come week 1. Both Bennett and Quinn were getting misused and abused Sunday by a team without Reggie Bush and had committed to the run early on. Imagine what Payton has in store. We definitely need something right now.
I hope he comes back soon.
And plays well
barrett
08-23-2009, 09:53 PM
I understand your frustration (and everyone elses). I was simply stating that we don't know what is really going on behind closed doors. Because as you have stated it is too late to sign a long term deal now and two a days are over. So, just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe there is something else going on.
It is quite possible that his agent put his foot in his mouth, and pride is keeping him from owning up to it. Or there's something else.
My thing is we need him right now. Whether he is or is not back to the old Dunta. Just his game experience alone is an upgrade over what we will be starting come week 1. Both Bennett and Quinn were getting misused and abused Sunday by a team without Reggie Bush and had committed to the run early on. Imagine what Payton has in store. We definitely need something right now.
I hope he comes back soon.
And plays well
I hope he comes back and plays well. I still like Dunta. I still hope he gets a deal to stay a Texan. I will still root for him.
But that doesn't mean that all of his teammates like him or agree with what he is doing. I am sure some do and some don't. Those guys are watching there chances at winning diminished by a holdout that doesn't make much sense at this point. I am sure some aren't thrilled about that. And I am sure the longer he continues, the fewer teammates will feel positive about the whole situation.
dalemurphy
08-23-2009, 10:33 PM
I'm tempted to plug him in at DT when he does come back. I bet he'd be more stout against the run than "First ReP" Okam or Amobi Okoye, who has quickly become my second least favorite player on the team (after Kasey Studdard).
nero THE zero
08-24-2009, 12:42 PM
Some teammates will have a problem. Some will not. And the longer he goes without reporting when contract negotiations are no longer even possible, the less the team will be on his side.
Yep. Nick Ferguson, for one, has implied a number of times that he does not agree with Dunta's decision to sit out this long.
painekiller
08-24-2009, 01:21 PM
You know there will be guys who are here suffering through two a days, who realize he has no negotiation legs to stand on, thou they may not say a thing publicly, they are not happy with him.
Just like in Minnesota there are guys unhappy with Farve's crap. He knew he wanted to play, he bought a house their last month, he just did not want to go to camp.
Dunta needs to be here as much as we need him.
Dunta thinks he is making a point, although to be honest with you, I can't imagine what it would be now.
Nconroe
08-24-2009, 08:26 PM
I've been watching for Dunta but havn't seen him yet. I guess he needs to be practicing with our team a little or he'll be about as effective as Farve was last week his first time or two out. whenever seems to my attitude now. kinda disappointed in him for not being here, but hope he decides to show up soon. if rumors on offer to him are true, or close to true, he should have signed in February. And I hope our young guys learn to tackle now and take the right angles. probably they will learn will all the reps they are getting.
What should be making his teamates mad is that even when he reports (IF), at the start of the season ( so he doesn' miss any of that $9.7M), then he will still have to learn secondary coach David Gibbs way of playing, and will mean he will have to sit a couple of games just to come up to speed. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! I have absolutely no respect left for Mr. Robinson.
After contract dispute, Robinson reporting to Texans
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6604719.html
American Idle
09-05-2009, 07:49 PM
Agree with his and/or the organizations decisions or not, he is still the best CB we can put out there right now. Id rather a not up to speed Dunta than anyone else we have right now starting. He should be in great shape, just not game shape.
After this preseason, we need him.
bckey
09-05-2009, 08:05 PM
Agree with his and/or the organizations decisions or not, he is still the best CB we can put out there right now. Id rather a not up to speed Dunta than anyone else we have right now starting. He should be in great shape, just not game shape.
After this preseason, we need him.
I still think we need to rid ourselves of this piece of crap. So we treat him different because he is perceived to be our best option at cb? It sends a bad message to all the players that busted their tails through camp and preseason.
nunusguy
09-06-2009, 08:32 AM
I still think we need to rid ourselves of this piece of crap. So we treat him different because he is perceived to be our best option at cb? It sends a bad message to all the players that busted their tails through camp and preseason.
You're way out of line calling Robinson "this piece of crap" !
I've had a different attitude about him now myself and don't appreciate the way he handled this situation, but I'm sure I dunno the whole story here ?
I think GM Smith himself has admitted to reneging on a promise to not tag Robinson, and that no doubt has complicated the situation and was out-of-line on Smiths part IMO.
No matter, he doesn't for a moment deserve the kind of label you've put on him ! Maybe you just had one too many - it was Saturday night ?
Big Texas
09-06-2009, 08:44 AM
perceived to be our best option at cb?
At this point all we can on is track record. And right now he is our best option at corner. McCain is playing OK but did you see that move Percy Harvin put on him to the corner of the end zone. If he would've caught that...
Maybe dunta's trainer has gotten him back up to speed. Maybe he comes back worse. Who knows. However, at this point we need all the help we can get.
Have we forgotten Reeves is injured...
TheMatrix31
09-06-2009, 09:16 AM
We need him, so I don't care.
Q & A with Solomon:
http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2009/09/dunta_robinson_qa_on_physical.html
Couple of points:
Have you done some football workouts? Will it take long for you to get up to speed?
"I worked at IMG with (former Jaguars receiver) Matt Jones. We went at it, basically every day.
Will you be ready to start against the Jets?
"I think so, but I'll know more about that situation as the week goes. It won't take long to adjust once I start playing.
According to the chronic, Dunta's not mad anymore. Just plain warms the cockles of my heart to hear him say that. He also doesn't want to lose a single dollar of that filthy contract he will be "forced" to sign. ($9.97M)! Message: just hurry up and learn Coach Gibbs style of play, so you don't miss any gametime.
edo783
09-06-2009, 03:45 PM
OK, your back. Now go out and EARN that 9.9 million top 5 money.
I am foreced to admit now that Robinson is back, if he just stabilizes that secondary with his leadership, that will erase all my ill-will. Well, most of it anyway.
RunninRaven
09-10-2009, 02:31 PM
I still think we need to rid ourselves of this piece of crap. So we treat him different because he is perceived to be our best option at cb? It sends a bad message to all the players that busted their tails through camp and preseason.
How exactly is the team treating him different?
While this might not be a popular opinion, I could give a $hit about what has happened with him the past 4-6 weeks. I care about what happens the next 17. He plays well, I will love him. He doesn't play well, I will hate him. My emotions can/will vary week to week.
Long term....well, I am not thinking about the long term, with any of these guys, including OD and Demeco. I want to win NOW. If them being pi$$ed makes them play better, then I hope Smithiak pi$$es EVERYONE off next year.
Next year will take care of it's self. For eight years I have thrown money at this team, and I want SATISFACTION!
Gawd....I can't wait till Sunday! :D
painekiller
09-10-2009, 04:17 PM
While this might not be a popular opinion,
No I think your wrong, I think most people agree with you on the fact let's see what he does the next 17 weeks.
While he was out people where angry, but he is back and the average fan will forgive him if he is the same old Dunta.
Well, let's hope he is not the same 'Ol Dunta from last year when he didn't get into a game until the 7th one, and then was far from the Dunta of Old. As I say if he can play to form and be the leader he has been in the past, then all is forgiven.
Blitzwood
09-10-2009, 09:46 PM
Well, let's hope he is not the same 'Ol Dunta from last year when he didn't get into a game until the 7th one, and then was far from the Dunta of Old. As I say if he can play to form and be the leader he has been in the past, then all is forgiven.
Well said. I think his biggest fear was playing a whole season and being exposed as a CB that has lost a significant step, therefore never achieving the large contract he so desperately whined for........../
Sportsradio610 reporting RB Andre Hall cut to make room for Dunta...
edit: Chron.com, too
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6613995.html
Nconroe
09-14-2009, 09:09 AM
I don't know about Dunta at all anymore. His writing on his shoes for the game yesterday , something like - pay me Rick- and being quoted saying something like we're all here for one thing, to get paid. Doesn't sound like a guy with the right attitude of winning or someone who wants to be on this team to me. of course it was right after a very disappointing loss. maybe Dunta will explain himself to the team and us soon.
Poor judgement on his part. I'd like 500K+ for a days work. After yesterday I am trying not to get overly sensitive on anything Texans. I am actually in a self imposed media boycott. No sports talk radio (except for playback from SEC guy), no chron.com, no halftime shows, no blogs. I'll come here and piss and moan with my online support group. Dream of something good happening next Sunday.
TexanJedi
09-14-2009, 09:52 AM
I don't know about Dunta at all anymore. His writing on his shoes for the game yesterday , something like - pay me Rick- and being quoted saying something like we're all here for one thing, to get paid. Doesn't sound like a guy with the right attitude of winning or someone who wants to be on this team to me. of course it was right after a very disappointing loss. maybe Dunta will explain himself to the team and us soon.
I saw that clip, it ticked me off and that's all I will say.:rolleyes:
Fonz the Boss
09-14-2009, 12:12 PM
I dont have a problem with Dunta. The guy just speaks the truth. At the end of the day all players are playing to get paid and support their families. Supporting their families comes first. Winning playoff games and Super Bowls is something extra that a lucky few get to experience. Everybody plays to get paid. And they play better to get paid even more when they have added incentives in their contracts. The only disagreement I have with Dunta is that he wants Asomugha type of money and that aint gonna happen. Not with the Texans and not with any other team.
barrett
09-14-2009, 01:20 PM
I dont have a problem with Dunta. The guy just speaks the truth. At the end of the day all players are playing to get paid and support their families. Supporting their families comes first. Winning playoff games and Super Bowls is something extra that a lucky few get to experience. Everybody plays to get paid. And they play better to get paid even more when they have added incentives in their contracts. The only disagreement I have with Dunta is that he wants Asomugha type of money and that aint gonna happen. Not with the Texans and not with any other team.
This is almost true. I'd say most of them are in it for the paycheck. But it's not every player.
And I don't knock Dunta for playing for the check. It's why 90% of people go to work.
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