Official 2009 NFL Draft Round 4 Thread

[Keith]

With the first three picks in the book, it's time to move onto the fourth round.

[TexanJedi]

Who would take Brown before we pick? No way: Jets, Steelers, Vikes, Colts, Panthers, Broncos, Cards, Eagles, Niners.

[Big Texas]

what are our chances of coming away with Rashad Johnson

[Big Texas]

But I would not have any problems if we somehow came away with Andre Brown

[Big Texas]

So long Rashad

[nero THE zero]

I'm really hoping for Chip Vaughn and/or Andre Brown.

[TexanJedi]

I have to say we don't need him, but Shawn Nelson would be great value at TE. (he has a 2nd round grade by many)

[TexanJedi]

From an Aggie to a Cowgirl....

[Roy P]

Stephen McGee will have plenty of time to develop behind Romo.

I went into this draft thinking that we needed to accrue some 3rd and 4th round picks. Here we are with plenty of talent available. I'm anticipating Vaughn and Brown.

[nero THE zero]

I hope so, Roy.

A wild card to consider here is Johnny Knox

[Roy P]

Current projections...

http://www.drafttek.com/round42009.asp

103 St Louis Lawrence Sidbury Jr. DE43 Richmond +31 Value
104 Cleveland Mitch King OLB34 Iowa -24 Reach
105 Chicago Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma +53 Value
106 Cincinnati DJ Moore CB Vanderbilt +59 Value
107 New England James Casey TE Rice +47 Value
108 * Miami Jamon Meredith OT South Carolina +49 Value
109 Green Bay Shawn Nelson TE Southern Miss +46 Value
110 Dallas Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati +35 Value
111 Carolina Herman Johnson OG LSU +37 Value
112 Houston Chip Vaughn SS Wake Forest +30 Value

:D

[American Idle]

So if the Texans do what you want and Brown and Vaughn are still available 112, who would you want Roy?

Nevermind, your next post said it all ;)

[nunusguy]

I'm really hoping for Chip Vaughn and/or Andre Brown.

I dunno what's wrong with Gartrell ?

[American Idle]

I dunno what's wrong with Gartrell ?

I like Gartrell next round if Brown is gone

[nero THE zero]

I dunno what's wrong with Gartrell ?

He's really slow.

I wouldn't mind him strictly as a thumper/short yardage back. But, I don't think he has the edge speed to be a legitimate back-up to Slaton.

[TexanJedi]

I like Gartrell next round if Brown is gone

I do wonder if the Texans actually believe Chris Brown is really healthy and ready to contribute?

[American Idle]

I do wonder if the Texans actually believe Chris Brown is really healthy and ready to contribute?

I was thinking the same thing a little bit ago. Would be interesting to know. Guess we'll find out with the next two picks if Brown or another back they like is available.

[TexanJedi]

Can Fran Charles shout into the mic any louder? Dang it!:mad:

[TexanJedi]

Well, the Jags got the speedster Mike Thomas.

[Roy P]

He's really slow.

I wouldn't mind him strictly as a thumper/short yardage back. But, I don't think he has the edge speed to be a legitimate back-up to Slaton.

I think that Kubiak really wants a guy who can step in and be the "feature" back if Slaton gets injured. Gartrell doesn't have enough quickness to threaten the edge, so he has to run between the tackles. He'd be OK as a specialist short-yardage guy, but perhaps we sign him as an UDFA to go along with Andre Brown or Rashad Jennings.

[Keith]

Well, the Jags got the speedster Mike Thomas.
I think I might cry.

Really not happy about Thomas going to the Jags. That actually makes a lot of sense for them.

[popanot]

Can't see any of the teams in front of us here taking RB. Get Brown!!!

[Roy P]

UH OH! Mike Thomas and Torry Holt? We better sign Dunta long term.

The OL still has Duke and Jamon available?

[TexanJedi]

DJ Moore was not listed on Gosselin's list at all. I wonder if teams see him as too slow. Something is pushing him down the board.

[Roy P]

If the Packers, Cowboys, or Packers select Vaughn, I'm going to cry. :(

[Roy P]

DJ Moore was not listed on Gosselin's list at all. I wonder if teams see him as too slow. Something is pushing him down the board.

I wonder if Chritopher Owens is on the Texans' draft board?

[TexanJedi]

I wonder if Chritopher Owens is on the Texans' draft board?

I had him being gone #90 to ATL.

[TexanJedi]

On deck and I can't see Carolina taking Brown. If the Texans want him we'll find out.

[Roy P]

The Cowboys just took my 7th round situational pass rusher to be an OLB.

[popanot]

WTF??? Goodson to Carolina?? Don't they have enough RBs? I guess they want him to return kicks...:confused:

[Roy P]

The Panthers took a RB, but not the one I want. :D

[TexanJedi]

Uhm....:rolleyes::eek: Ok they got another DB, look out Dunta.

[Roy P]

A CB with 5 INTs (7 career). Kick returner.

All-Mountain West team. :confused:

[nero THE zero]

WTF is Glover Quin? :confused:

[BigBull]

I like the pick has good size.http://stats.chron.com/nfldraft/players.asp?id=136614

[popanot]

Some have him listed as a FS.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1115231

[Keith]

Texans must be satisfied with their plethora of options at RB slipping to 122. I have to say, I'm a little surprised they haven't flinched yet and made a move to get someone to back up Slaton. Kudos?

[TexanJedi]

Texans must be satisfied with their plethora of options at RB slipping to 122. I have to say, I'm a little surprised they haven't flinched yet and made a move to get someone to back up Slaton. Kudos?

That or they see Chris Brown as healthy.

[TexanJedi]

Chip is a Saint.

[BigBull]

Chip is a Saint.

with him and Malcolm Jenkins they addressed two major needs

[popanot]

I guess the Bills could take RB, but probably not... Get Brown, dang it! I think he's going to be one of the surprises of the draft if given the chance to play.

[TexanJedi]

We're up 3rd, who ya got? DJ Moore is gone.

[Roy P]

A CB with 5 INTs (7 career). Kick returner.

All-Mountain West team. :confused:

Okay, I was considering Asher Allen or Keenan Lewis in this area. I'm concerned about a 7.41 - Cone from a CB, but overall, he meets the measurables.

Pos--Name--------School-------Team--Height--Weight---40----Reps--Vert---20-----10---Jump---3-Cone---Shuttle---Explosion---Quick--Athlete---Agility
CB---Asher Allen---Georgia------Minn---5' 10"---194-----4.48---22----35----2.59---1.5---9.58----6.93-------4.3------66.58-----12.73---5.23------0.18
CB---Keenan Lewis-Oregon St---Pitt---6' 0 3/4"--195----4.47---20----38.5 --2.58---1.53--10.83---6.89-------4.42-----69.33-----12.84---5.40------0.05
CB---Quin Glover---New Mexico-HOU---5' 11"----204-----4.50---22----38---2.59----1.5---9.92----7.41-------4.46-----69.92-----13.37---5.23------0.04

[TexanJedi]

Okay, I was considering Asher Allen or Keenan Lewis in this area. I'm concerned about a 4.46 - Shuttle from a CB, but overall, he meets the measurables.
Pos Name School Team Height Weight 40 Reps Vert 20 10 Jump 3-Cone Shuttle Explosion Quick Athlete Agility

CB Asher Allen Georgia Minn 5' 10" 194 4.48 22 35 2.59 1.5 9.58 6.93 4.3 66.58 12.73 5.23 0.18
CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St Pitt 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47 20 38.5 2.58 1.53 10.83 6.89 4.42 69.33 12.84 5.40 0.05
CB Quin Glover New Mexico HOU 5' 11: 204 4.50 22 38 2.59 1.5 9.92 7.41 4.46 69.92 13.37 5.23 0.04

How does he compare to free safties because it looks like that will be his position.

[TexanJedi]

Is Hill our blocking TE?

[popanot]

WTF? A TE??? Are we getting rid of Daniels or Dressen? Now I'm confused....:eek:

[jcp]

Now we're getting into head scratcher territory...

Anthony Hill:confused:

[TexanJedi]

WTF? A TE??? Are we getting rid of Daniels or Dressen? Now I'm confused....:eek:

It's a little surprising but from their visits, etc. it was clear they were looking at TE, I assume a blocker.

[papabear]

I was really hoping for Rashaad Jennings...there must be a bunch of RB's they like and think they can get later...or not ant they think much of.

[Roy P]

Just looking back after 4 rounds at who I would have drafted.

DE Everette Brown Florida St.
S William Moore Missouri
S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
RB Andre Brown NC State
LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State

[dadmg]

At this point, I'm wondering if the Combine medical exams showed something structurally wrong with Andre Brown's foot. I'm thinking its a distinct possibility.

[Roy P]

I was really hoping for a later round pick for TE.

TE John Phillips Virginia 6' 6" 251 4.78

However, I guess they really REALLY wanted Anthony Hill.

[TexanJedi]

At this point, I'm wondering if the Combine medical exams showed something structurally wrong with Andre Brown's foot. I'm thinking its a distinct possibility.

Very true, and teams might think Peerman's small hands will lead to fumbles.

[gunn]

Andre Brown to the Giants

[Roy P]

How does he compare to free safties because it looks like that will be his position.

Hmmm...I like Chris Clemons for that position. C.J. Spillman is another candidate, but since he did not Bench Press, I can't compare "Explosion"

S--Quin Glover----New Mexico---5' 11"--204--4.50---38---2.59---1.5----9.92--7.41--4.46---13.37-
S--Chris Clemons--Clemson------6' 0" ---208--4.38--37.5--2.53--1.44--10.08--7.27--4.38---13.09
S--C.J. Spillman---Marshall------6' 0"----190--4.45--41.5--2.59--1.49--10.17--7.06--4.33---12.88

[Roy P]

Very true, and teams might think Peerman's small hands will lead to fumbles.

That's why I took Peeman off my board. We had enough fumbles last season. Now, I'm hoping for a 5th round Rashad Jennings. :o

[gunn]

I like what the Giants have done so far in this draft. It seems to me that they just get it.

[gunn]

Hmmm...I like Chris Clemons for that position. C.J. Spillman is another candidate, but since he did not Bench Press, I can't compare "Explosion"

S--Quin Glover----New Mexico---5' 11"--204--4.50---38---2.59---1.5----9.92--7.41--4.46---13.37-
S--Chris Clemons--Clemson------6' 0" ---208--4.38--37.5--2.53--1.44--10.08--7.27--4.38---13.09
S--C.J. Spillman---Marshall------6' 0"----190--4.45--41.5--2.59--1.49--10.17--7.06--4.33---12.88

That 3 cone is slower that the 260 lb te that we just drafted.

[Roy P]

Not happy to see Gerald McGrath playing for the Titans.

[Roy P]

I like what the Giants have done so far in this draft. It seems to me that they just get it.

The Eagles got Maclin to go with DeSean Jackson. That's getting it done.

[Keith]

Gartrell Johnson gone to the Chargers.

I wonder if Kubiak feels like a college hopeful that just got denied by his 'safety school'.

[Roy P]

That tells me that I am not the only one who had some concerns about Rashad Jennings. Could Kubiak and Smith finally listen to me and take Javarris Williams? :p

[gunn]

The Eagles got Maclin to go with DeSean Jackson. That's getting it done.

I agree. The Eagles are a team that I think "just get it" too