View Full Version : Would You Do Cutler To Houston For Schaub and Our #1?
Trojans2
02-28-2009, 09:52 PM
More Denver connection. He's been Cutler's backup.
With Cutler on the block and the Denver connection would the numbers match up to inquire about a Shaub/Cutler trade? I am a fan of Cutler's arm strength and feel he would excel under Kubiak.
James
03-01-2009, 12:22 AM
Swap em and they can have D. Anderson, sounds like a deal to me!
HPF Bob
03-01-2009, 01:10 AM
ESPN and others are reporting that the new Bronco management is shopping Pro Bowl QB Jay Cutler. Yes, they're morons for thinking it but apparently the Cutler-McDaniel relationship must have got off to a bad start and has been getting worse. McDaniel was trying to bring Matt Cassel to Denver which means he was also looking for a way to send Cutler elsewhere. And I doubt Cutler is thrilled over the thought of a new offense where the QB's job is to throw dink passes to Jabar Gaffney (yes, that Jabar Gaffney) and J.J. Arrington when not handing off to Correll Buckhalter.
So, if the Broncos are stupid enough to deal Cutler, I hope the Texans are smart enough to take him off their hands. If we offered our latter day Chris Chandler (Schaub) and our #1 pick this year (#15 overall), would you pull the trigger?
Yeah, Keith, the cap ramifications would be horrendous but we'd finally have a QB that doesn't have a glass jaw, throws a bonafide deep ball and already knows the offensive system. And with burners like AJ, AD and Jacoby Jones to throw to, defenses would soil their pants fearing our deep speed.
I posted this under "The Other 31" because I don't think this will really happen but I can dream, can't I?
coloradodude
03-01-2009, 01:25 AM
You guys know Jay Cutler is on the trading block right?
(sorry, just saw Trojan's post)
Keith
03-01-2009, 07:42 AM
fyi - I moved the Cutler-related posts from the Ramsey/Orlovsky thread and merged them with Bob's post and thread title. Let's keep the Cutler discussion in here for now.
Yeah, Keith, the cap ramifications would be horrendous
Actually, if you were to trade Schaub, now wouldn't be the worst time to do it. Schaub signed a 6-year contract, but it was broken in half by a major option bonus ($10mm) due to him by around the end of the 2009 league year.
If Schaub were traded now, the team would only need to accelerate the unamortized bonuses already committed, leaving that $10 million option to whatever team received him (assuming the contract isn't re-worked).
Schaub's original signing bonus was $4.5mm (split six ways at $750k per), so with this year and three more remaining, the dead money on the deal would just be $4 million (vs his $6.95 million base salary this year).
Money aside... Giving up a #1 plus Schaub seems too much to me. And I realize the "Denver connection" we seem to have, but Kubiak has no connection to Cutler, so this is different than prior Bronco allegiances.
Lastly, I guess I'm not ready to sell Schaub short. Yes, he's been hurt, but he has suffered illegal hits in getting hurt. He came back last season and played better than ever. He is reaching that magical point in the Kubiak offense where QBs turn the corner and take off.
ETA - I dumped this into the 2nd half of the latest post on the front page of the site.
http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20090301.html
James
03-01-2009, 08:10 AM
We have to remember that Cutler has diabetes as well, and while Schaub may seem fragile, a diabetic QB seems a bit scary as well.
popanot
03-01-2009, 08:29 AM
No, I wouldn't do that deal. I would rather have given up my #2 for Cassel than trade for Cutler. The kid has talent, but is not all there mentally. I think it's telling the Broncos are considering dumping him in only his 4th season in the league. I can't imagine it's only because of some personality rift between QB and new HC. There's got to be a lot more to this than meets the eye.
Nconroe
03-01-2009, 08:31 AM
my first impression is probably not. Schaub is a little more mature, little better passer rating. a little taller. Cutler seems to be less injury prone, fumbles less.
Hell no. Cutler was the #12 overall IIRC. I would not give up #15 and then our QB. That is crazy! I like Cutlet alot, but that is just silly to give up that much.
The diabetes does not concern me at all, if he keeps his insulin pump on and working properly and with the medical attention he surely gets from being a pro athlete, then that does not add much additional risk to his NFL career.
TexanJedi
03-01-2009, 09:15 AM
If anything the deal should be Cutler for Schaub and our #2 and maybe one of our two 4th's.
After thinking about it awhile, I think I would just leave this hot potato in the oven. Something just doesn't smell right about Cutler and Denver.
HPF Bob
03-01-2009, 07:56 PM
Hell no. Cutler was the #12 overall IIRC. I would not give up #15 and then our QB. That is crazy!
Cutler was #11, actually, but it doesn't matter where he was drafted. Would you turn down a trade for Tom Brady because he wasn't taken until the 5th round? THAT is crazy.
Look at it this way. Between Vince Young (taken third in '05), Matt Leinart (taken 10th in '05) and Cutler, who would you draft today?
dadmg
03-01-2009, 10:59 PM
Between Vince Young (taken third in '05), Matt Leinart (taken 10th in '05) and Cutler, who would you draft today?
Is there a none of the above? I may be the only guy in the universe that's not sold on Cutler.
TheMatrix31
03-02-2009, 02:22 PM
Cutler was #11, actually, but it doesn't matter where he was drafted. Would you turn down a trade for Tom Brady because he wasn't taken until the 5th round? THAT is crazy.
Look at it this way. Between Vince Young (taken third in '05), Matt Leinart (taken 10th in '05) and Cutler, who would you draft today?
I would have taken Cutler then and I would take him now.
I'd kill to trade for him.
HPF Bob
03-02-2009, 05:34 PM
Thanks, Matrix. I was beginning to wonder if anybody thought Cutler was a good QB. While Schaub plus the #1 pick for Cutler may seem expensive to some, I'd bet it is the minimum to get a trade done.
I did see a suggestion on another board that wouldn't involve draft choices: Schaub and DT Amobi Okoye to Denver for Cutler and RT Ryan Harris. That's an intriguing trade. Okoye is probably viewed as a better talent than Harris but the difference is roughly equivalent to the one between Schaub and Cutler.
Cutler was #11, actually, but it doesn't matter where he was drafted. Would you turn down a trade for Tom Brady because he wasn't taken until the 5th round? THAT is crazy.
Look at it this way. Between Vince Young (taken third in '05), Matt Leinart (taken 10th in '05) and Cutler, who would you draft today?
Big difference between Cutler and Brady, but I see your point.
I would take Cutler over and over before those other two.
TheMatrix31
03-03-2009, 02:15 AM
I think Cutler would be an elite QB under Kubiak. I could just imagine him throwing bootleg bombs out to Andre.
barrett
03-03-2009, 09:10 AM
I doubt it happens, but I'd do it in a heart beat. Cutler is a stud who was seemingly tailor made for our offense.
The Problem is the only reason he went on the market was for the chance to McDaniels to get Cassell who he knows and apparently loves. So he was willing to give up a superior talent for a guy he knows and who knows him and his offense inside and out. I don't see him giving up a superior talent for a guy he doesn't have any connection to in Schaub.
The only reason they move him now is if Cutler is absolutely dead set on not playing for McDaniels. It's possible after the trade rumors and the switch to an offense that will handcuff him a bit, but unlikely.
TexanJedi
03-03-2009, 09:17 AM
For fun, but how about a package of Anderson (if possible since they signed an offer sheet), Matt Schaub, Travis Johnson (he does have experience in 3-4), and a pick (2 or 3) for Cutler and Dumervil? I know it's outlandish and I can't recall a trade in the NFL involving that many players (the NBA or MLB, yes), but that does not mean it's not possible. Of course there is the cap to consider too.
HPF Bob
03-03-2009, 10:56 AM
That would be sweet for the Texans. As for Denver, I think they made a huge mistake hiring an offensive coach when their defense is what really needs fixing. McDiapers instead is trying to rework the offense and hasn't done much to upgrade the defense, maybe because he doesn't know how. So, at best, the Broncos will still score 30 pts a game and give up 40 pts a game.
barrett
03-03-2009, 08:59 PM
That would be sweet for the Texans. As for Denver, I think they made a huge mistake hiring an offensive coach when their defense is what really needs fixing. McDiapers instead is trying to rework the offense and hasn't done much to upgrade the defense, maybe because he doesn't know how. So, at best, the Broncos will still score 30 pts a game and give up 40 pts a game.
Seriously. How do you hire an offensive coach for that job? Does the Denver front office truly believe the problem was that Mike Shanahan was not putting enough points on the board?
The offense was in place and now they are just rebuilding it for the sake of rebuilding it. And wrecking their best player right out of the shoot is a great start.
HPF Bob
03-03-2009, 11:08 PM
The feeding frenzy over Cutler is starting to get serious. A lot of the talk seems to be total bs but where there's smoke...
From one source, this was the original deal:
Tampa Bay gets Jay Cutler.
Denver gets Cassel plus Tampa's 1st and 3rd rounders.
New England gets Denver's second rounder.
Then the Lions got into the act and this was the supposed deal:
Detroit gets Jay Cutler and Denver's 3rd-rounder.
Denver gets Cassel and both of Detroit's first-rounders (including overall #1).
New England gets Denver's second rounder.
Allegedly, McDiapers was ready to do either deal but the new Broncos' GM, Xanders, vetoed the idea.
Since this surfaced, one report had Cutler going to Cleveland for Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers. Another has Cutler going to the Vikings for unspecified player/picks, leading to jokes that Sage Rosenfels would be the new QB in Denver.
Mike Shanahan apparently had so much control of the organization that it has created a power vacuum where nobody knows for sure who is running the show up there.
How could Denver not do the deal for Cassel and get two #1's?
Nice way to build your team, you still have a QB and get the two picks to for Defense or one of the OL.
Say what you want about Mike Shanahan, but this crap would not have happened with him in charge.
papabear
03-04-2009, 11:05 AM
I have a hard time buying most of this. From what I heard the reason NE pulled the trigger on the KC deal was that the three way deal were far from being ready and he was worried that if he didn't act quickly they would be stuck with little to no options. They HAD to get a deal done to free up enough space so that they had room to operate.
HPF Bob
03-04-2009, 05:00 PM
How could Denver not do the deal for Cassel and get two #1's?
Cap ramifications. Paying three #1 draft picks (Detroit's two plus their own at #12) would nuke the cap of most teams. Plus, the overall #1 has become almost impossible to trade down from. And in a year when there is no true can't-miss stud that's a clear #1, you wind up paying top dollar for a guy who probably isn't worth it but will hogtie your salary cap for five years minimum.
Why do you think Detroit was willing to do that?
I would have taken Cutler then and I would take him now.
I'd kill to trade for him.
Then you would have died for nothing!
HPF Bob
03-15-2009, 04:41 PM
As things continue to deteriorate in Denver, I'd bet we could get Cutler now for Schaub and a second-rounder straight up. If Cutler doesn't show up for the next round of meetings, the Broncos would be smart to cut their losses and not go through a protracted holdout.
Hey, a Pro Bowl QB for what amounts to three second-round picks (remember, we gave up two #2s for Schaub) is quite a deal.
TexanJedi
03-15-2009, 07:28 PM
As things continue to deteriorate in Denver, I'd bet we could get Cutler now for Schaub and a second-rounder straight up. If Cutler doesn't show up for the next round of meetings, the Broncos would be smart to cut their losses and not go through a protracted holdout.
Hey, a Pro Bowl QB for what amounts to three second-round picks (remember, we gave up two #2s for Schaub) is quite a deal.
I have to admit I half way expect to check this site one afternoon and see the "Cutler to Houston" thread. :D
HPF Bob
03-16-2009, 01:04 AM
I think Tampa Bay and Detroit want to do a deal more than we do. The difference is that neither has a QB of starting caliber to offer in return. And what does Denver do if they don't get a QB in the trade? Start the spleenless Chris Simms all year?
Cutler has put the feeding frenzy in full throttle tonight. He's demanding a trade and, in the past few days, he and his parents have both listed their Denver homes for sale.
He's cut the legs out of almost any leverage the Broncos might have had in trade talks. The Broncos would be smarter to cut their losses and deal him before the asking price falls any lower. Once the draft has come and gone, the options will become even less.
The Broncos were idiots to start this but now it makes more sense to do the deal sooner rather than later. I think there's almost no chance he won't be traded.
TheMatrix31
03-16-2009, 05:31 AM
Is there any real chance that we'd be interested?
popanot
03-16-2009, 07:10 AM
A trade with Carolina for Peppers will go down before this one ever will. That's how far-fetched this is. My bet is Kubiak and Smith play it safe and go into (possibly their last) season with what they know instead of some prima donna QB who has basically done nothing other than to show he's an immature brat.
The situation is getting uglier in Denver. Cutler no-shows for the first off-season workout and says he will report when the workouts are mandatory.
It is really far fetched, but if you could make a reasonable deal, then I would be all for it.
papabear
03-16-2009, 12:06 PM
If it's a sweetheart deal for us then I wouldn't be upset....but Cutler asked for a trade when they fired Shanny. Then goes batshit when they take a trade call a few months later. He's not anywhere near a TO, but he certainly seems to have an attitude. From a statistical standpoint Schaub's better almost across the board he just has yet to play a whole season...which IMO is the only reason to question Schaub at this point.
HPF Bob
03-16-2009, 08:29 PM
From a statistical standpoint Schaub's better almost across the board he just has yet to play a whole season...which IMO is the only reason to question Schaub at this point.
I looked up both QB's numbers for last year and here were the relevant ones:
Stat Cutler Schaub
Games 16 11
Pss Yards 4526 3043
Yds/Gm 282.9 276.6
Yds/Comp 11.8 12.1
Comp % 62.3 66.1
TD Passes 25 15
TD % 4.1 3.6
INTs 18 10
INT % 2.9 2.6
QB Rating 86.0 92.7
Fumbles 5 10
Rush Yds 57 68
Rush TDS 2 2
There's not a great difference when you break it down other than Schaub fumbled twice as much as Cutler in five less games. Cutler threw more INTs but he also threw more often and didn't have as reliable a ground game to take the heat off him. When the new season starts, Cutler will be 26 years old and Schaub will be 28.
papabear
03-17-2009, 08:56 AM
I looked up both QB's numbers for last year and here were the relevant ones:
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There's not a great difference when you break it down other than Schaub fumbled twice as much as Cutler in five less games. Cutler threw more INTs but he also threw more often and didn't have as reliable a ground game to take the heat off him. When the new season starts, Cutler will be 26 years old and Schaub will be 28.
What I look at is completion percentage, yards per attempt, and int %. They are all pretty close, but Schaub has the edge in all of them. I didn't watch enough of Denver this year to have a great feel for Cutler, but my feeling with him has been than he was impressive in his first full season, but hasn't really grown since then and he is a little over-rated. The only reason I see to question Schaub is that he hasn't played a whole year. Cutler could go down at any time as well, and Schaub has 13 less starts under his belt.
I would rank them close to the same in the pecking order of QB's in the NFL. Cutler's got a stronger arm, but Schaub's arm strength isn't a hindrance to this offense and he's more accurate (could be a function of this offense though). That's why the title of this thread blew me away. We're going to trade for a guy who's pretty close to what we already have, but sounds suspiciously like a whining little Bitch....and we're going to throw in our #1? I wouldn't be upset with Cutler at QB at all, but anything more than a late round pick would be ludicrous if they are getting Schaub in the deal. If this is something the Texans are interested in then they need to remember that the Broncos are the ones with the problem and would be negotiating from the weaker position. I wouldn't offer anything more than a straight swap and I might even ask for a pick from them.
HPF Bob
03-17-2009, 12:35 PM
My initial proposal was before the situation in Denver got so terrible. The Texans are in a far better bargaining position now because the Broncos practically need to be rid of Cutler. Every day he is there is one less day the Bronco coaches are in control. If you're a teammate, who do you side with? The new head coach who has only been there a few weeks or the quarterback who has been with them a few years?
However, I think the Broncos will get better offers than Schaub + a draft choice.
The way I look at Schaub vs. Cutler is that Schaub has realized his potential. He is what he is and, like Sage, he'll never be better. His teammates around him may get better but Schaub won't. Cutler, OTOH, is still a few years away from his peak He's as good as Schaub already (and apparently knows how to keep the ball in his mitts when he's tackled unlike Schaub) and would only get better under a coach like Kubiak.
Yes, arm strength in the current offense isn't a big need but with burners like Johnson, Davis and Jones they ought to be throwing deep more often. I think the reason they haven't is because they don't yet have confidence in the OL to hold off the pass rush and Schaub doesn't have the gun a guy like Cutler has. That's why one got chosen in the first half of the first round and the other lasted until the third round.
papabear
03-17-2009, 01:44 PM
My initial proposal was before the situation in Denver got so terrible. The Texans are in a far better bargaining position now because the Broncos practically need to be rid of Cutler. Every day he is there is one less day the Bronco coaches are in control. If you're a teammate, who do you side with? The new head coach who has only been there a few weeks or the quarterback who has been with them a few years?
However, I think the Broncos will get better offers than Schaub + a draft choice.
The way I look at Schaub vs. Cutler is that Schaub has realized his potential. He is what he is and, like Sage, he'll never be better. His teammates around him may get better but Schaub won't. Cutler, OTOH, is still a few years away from his peak He's as good as Schaub already (and apparently knows how to keep the ball in his mitts when he's tackled unlike Schaub) and would only get better under a coach like Kubiak.
Yes, arm strength in the current offense isn't a big need but with burners like Johnson, Davis and Jones they ought to be throwing deep more often. I think the reason they haven't is because they don't yet have confidence in the OL to hold off the pass rush and Schaub doesn't have the gun a guy like Cutler has. That's why one got chosen in the first half of the first round and the other lasted until the third round.
Cutler obviously is a better athlete. I think the arm thing is overrated when it comes to deep balls though. Throwing a good deep ball is as much about timing and touch as it is about being able to sling it 65 yards. I'm not saying there aren't advantages too having a big gun, there are, but having a stronger arm doesn't meam you automatically throw a better deep ball.
Even before there was one whiff of the controversy I thought it was crazy to give up a first round pick plus Schaub for Cutler. Cutler may have the higher ceiling, but I don't agree with the statement that Schaub has peeked. Maybe age-wise he's in what should be his prime, but I still think Schaub is getting better. I thought he's done a better job of getting rid of the ball on time, or when nothing was there towards the end of year. That should also help cut down on the fumbles. Schaub also has fewer starts under his belt. Yes, the reason for that is the injuries, which is my biggest fear with Schaub. Either way, I'm still not going to make a swap for what I feel is about the same level of QB + my number one draft pick because the other guy might end up improving a little more than the other. Where there where originally drafted stopped being important as soon as there rookie contracts were signed.
None of that even begins to address who's better in the lockerroom, or is a better leader. I'm sure the Broncos share the blame evenly in the whole situation, but Cutler hasn't done anything to make me say that I want him as the leader on my football team.
BigBull
03-17-2009, 03:07 PM
I think I have to agree with papabear on this one. I mean the Texans would be crazy to give up Schaub and first for Cutler. Payton or Brady maybe, but Cutler no thanks. I think Kubes likes Schaub to much to do that trade anyway.
TheMatrix31
03-17-2009, 07:59 PM
The problem is Schaub's reliability, not his on-the-field production. When he's actually playing, he's as good as most, but the guy is good to miss 3-5 games a season it seems. Yes, I know he got hurt from Allen's dirtiness this past year but it's still disconcerting.
I want to be able to rely on my QB.
popanot
03-18-2009, 05:47 AM
People need to realize that this may be Kubiak's last season. I doubt he's going to make a bold move like this and take on a 'new guy' with what's at stake. Physical prowess aside, Schaub already knows Kubiak's system and has proven he can run it effectively. I think Kubiak would rather gamble that Schaub can stay healthy over the unknown of what Cutler may bring. We know Cutler has talent, but there's no guarantee he can quickly pick up the system and fully integrate with his teammates. Kubiak seems to be the type who plays it safe until he knows it's a lost cause (ala, Carr).
Joshua
03-18-2009, 01:56 PM
What I'm wondering about is whether any of this stuff came up during McDaniels' interviews for the job. Cutler is pretty much the face of the franchise. You would think that one of the questions for McDaniels is what he thought of Cutler and whether he wanted to work with him. Also, everyone knew Cassel was on the trade block. You would also think that one of the follow up questions is whether McDaniels had any desire to pursue Cassel. If McDaniels said he would be interested in pursuing Cassel, then they should have had a better plan than they did. If McDaniels said he was happy with Cutler, I would be pretty steamed if I'm the owner and only 1 month later he's alienated my QB to the point where he's requested a trade.
From the comments I've read from Bowlen, it doesn't sound like these questions were really considered. That strikes me as peculiar.
TheMatrix31
03-19-2009, 07:41 PM
I don't think this would be Kubiak's last season, unless something drastically bad happens.
We've shown improvement in each of his three years here, going 6-10, 8-8, and 8-8. It's about time we go above .500, or make the playoffs, but we're in a tough ass division, and I don't think Kubiak is necessarily on the hot seat.
HPF Bob
03-19-2009, 10:09 PM
I think he may be in the hot seat if the defense doesn't improve yet Kubiak will tell you he's never been a defensive coach so I think blaming him for the defense's failure would be a little unfair. His failure would be essentially not bringing in the coaches/personnel to upgrade the defense - which is something you ought to blame Rick Smith for as much as the head coach.
papabear
03-20-2009, 08:52 AM
Kubiak has to be at least in the playoff race until the lat week, maybe two, of the season to keep his job. We've shown improvement, but I think McNair wants to get to the playoffs now. The D has been a weakness, but he's gotten Mario, Demeco, Okoye, Fred, Adibi, Smith, Reeves, and likely several more early draft picks this year to help the defense. He's also gotten a new defensive coordinator, so that excuse is gone. It might not be fair to blame him for a poor defensive unit, but we've devoted a lot of attention to the defensive side of the ball since he's been here. If they don't start having something to show for it Kubiak will get the blame. If it's the offense that stumbles (highly unlikely IMO) then that's his specialty and he should most definitely get the big portion of the blame.
Personally, I like Kubiak and I would like to see him around for a long time. There's something to be said about having continuity at the top of your staff, but I he's got to show he can get this team into contention.
I don't think Kubiak's seat is hot at all. I think there was an understanding that this team was devoid of talent and depth when he got here and the necessary time to fix that will be given. Now if they are just flat out awful this year, like 3-13 awful.... he's as good as gone. But if the team has a good draft and again shows improvement he'll be around for another year.
papabear
03-20-2009, 03:39 PM
There's not much room for improvement without making the playoffs. If we win 10 games, but miss out on the playoffs he's fine. If it's a 7/8/9 win season and we're out of the playoffs early...he might not get fired, but he'll feel the heat. Anything below that, and he'll have a hard time keeping his job.
I guess i'm saying the same thing.... I really think he's got two solid years left to prove that he can get it done. This year and next. He hasn't lost the players yet....
TheMatrix31
03-21-2009, 01:43 AM
One thing I absolutely LOVE about Kubiak is his guts. He's never phased by a tough decision, and will go on fourth down when he needs to, instead of being textbook. He thinks outside of the box, and I think that while it could bite you in the ass, sometimes it's just necessary.
All I'd love for him to do is work on clock management, because the team is atrocious at that.
Keith
03-31-2009, 08:19 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/31/bowlen-says-broncos-will-try-to-trade-cutler/
Cutler wouldn't even call the owner.
HPF Bob
03-31-2009, 10:00 PM
Let the bidding begin. Broncos now say they will honor Cutler's request to be traded. The Chris Simms Era begins in Denver. Good luck, McDiapers!
Joshua
04-01-2009, 11:00 AM
While Cutler clearly bears some responsibility for being such a diva, I'm still amazed at the ineptitude of Bowlen and McDaniels. I can't believe they didn't have a better gameplan for going after Cassel. If that's who McDaniels wanted, it should have been in the works long before. Now, they are losing their QB over a halfass attempt to get Cassel which never appeared to have much of a shot in the first place.
painekiller
04-02-2009, 05:24 PM
Cutler is now a Bear.
HPF Bob
04-02-2009, 06:17 PM
Cutler is now a Bear.
Yup. For a #1 this year, a #1 next year and Kyle Orton. Depending on who you believe, the deal is being balanced with a third and a fifth but it's fuzzy who is getting which.
Once the situation deteriorated, the Broncos desperately needed to trade him and move on. This was probably the best they could get. They're going to look like the 2002 Texans this year (complete with Jabar Gaffney) but they have nobody to blame but themselves. For the life of me, I don't understand why they decided to hire an offensive coach when it is the defense that needed an overhaul. Now, they're going to have to overhaul both and they simply don't have the ability to address both at the same time, even with the additional picks.
HPF Bob
04-02-2009, 06:21 PM
FWIW, I would not have done Cutler for Schaub and a pair of #1s. Schaub is a better QB than Orton. Even if the Texans had tried to get him (and I don't think we did), we would have surely been outbid.
TheMatrix31
04-02-2009, 06:50 PM
FWIW, I would not have done Cutler for Schaub and a pair of #1s. Schaub is a better QB than Orton. Even if the Texans had tried to get him (and I don't think we did), we would have surely been outbid.
Me neither. I hope Cutler tears it up and makes McDaniels look like a bigger moron than he already does.
papabear
04-03-2009, 08:35 AM
Me neither. I hope Cutler tears it up and makes McDaniels look like a bigger moron than he already does.
You seem to be in the minority on that. Cutler seems to be the one taking all the heat from what I've read/heard. I'm sure there's blame on both sides, but I heard the Broncos owner had been trying to talk cutler for 10 days, and when he wouldn't return the calls Bolen made the call to trade him not McDaniels. Cutler said he never got those calls. I don't have a reason, but I tend to believe Bolen. If that is the case then Cutler just hurt himself. He had two stud young WR', a good line, and good offensive mind for a coach.
HPF Bob
04-03-2009, 02:57 PM
I think Cutler will be in hog heaven with the Bears. I mean, the last QB Bear fans remember fondly was Jim McMahon. Cutler has already passed for more TDs and more yards in one season than any Bear QB - ever.
So, there isn't a legend like the ghost of John Elway for Cutler to live up to in Chicago. He's going to seem like a huge upgrade to them even if he's merely average. The best QB that Bear fans have watched in recent memory was Erik Kramer. That's not a very high bar to live up to. Cutler will be responsible for a lot of Cub fans not committing suicide next October.
edo783
04-03-2009, 04:40 PM
Chi town is celebrating big time. However, who does Cutler have to throw to? Tory Holt and as good of a WR in the second round that they can get would help big time. If they can get the offense moving, this could be a dangerous team. Certainly a real contender to win the division.
barrett
04-04-2009, 10:22 PM
You seem to be in the minority on that. Cutler seems to be the one taking all the heat from what I've read/heard. I'm sure there's blame on both sides, but I heard the Broncos owner had been trying to talk cutler for 10 days, and when he wouldn't return the calls Bolen made the call to trade him not McDaniels. Cutler said he never got those calls. I don't have a reason, but I tend to believe Bolen. If that is the case then Cutler just hurt himself. He had two stud young WR', a good line, and good offensive mind for a coach.
Maybe. Maybe Not.
I am a patriots fan but take a look at the track record for Belichik assistants moving on to head jobs. Many of these guys look like geniuses in NE and then can't hack it on their own.
So with that in mind I look at a 32 year old guy who has accomplished nothing coming in and his first move is to trade the Pro Bowl QB???
If the Broncos were a stock I would definitely be selling right now because their future looks very bleak.
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