[chron.com] Rosenfels "Near Deal" to Vikings [Trade Finalized] [Archive]

Keith

02-23-2009, 12:33 PM

The Texans and Minnesota are close to completing a trade that would send quarterback Sage Rosenfels to the Vikings, possibly for a fourth-round draft choice.

The Texans had no comment on the report. ...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6276358.html

dalemurphy

02-23-2009, 12:34 PM

I don't have the link, so here's the paraphrase:

Texans have nearly finalized a deal sending Sage to Minnesota for a draft pick.

Oh, and according to guys at texanstalk.com, there was a radio report that Weaver has been cut.

Keith

02-23-2009, 12:41 PM

Here's Toro's reaction to the news:

http://images.chron.com/photos/2009/02/23/15411260/600xPopupGallery.jpg

papabear

02-23-2009, 12:43 PM

nero THE zero

02-23-2009, 12:58 PM

I thought we should have taken the third last year, if there was ever really a third offer. I'm surprised that we can get a fourth for him. There's always veteran QB's around to serve as a back-up. I'll be ecstatic adding another pick in the first four rounds.

Me too.

Sage built up a lot of value beating crappy teams. I'm glad the Vikings are naive enough to take a chance on him.

cadams

02-23-2009, 12:59 PM

While I would like that 3rd, I will be 100% happy if they can get a 4th for him now. Only one year left on his contract, and everyone knows he will be leaving the Texans after this season anyway. Take that 4th (can anyone say running back here, maybe another safety?) and pick up one of the available QBs on the market as your backup.

TexanJedi

02-23-2009, 12:59 PM

Good luck to Sage. I am happy to see him get his shot and they have a good team in Minnesota. A 4th rounder is pretty good all things considered.

coloradodude

02-23-2009, 01:13 PM

In theory, a third round pick is better than fourth rounder.

I would rather get a fourth though because the Texans will get all night to decide which player they want that was passed up the day before when the feeding frenzy was taking place. Many good players are picked up in the first round of Day 2.

And let's face it, if we were getting Rosenflauggin after what we saw last year would you be happy giving away a fourth? IMO, if last year is an indicator of future performance, he's not worth more than a fifth.

bono

02-23-2009, 01:18 PM

BigBull

02-23-2009, 01:27 PM

I just hope they complete it before the Vikes come to their senses.:D

Bigtinylittle

02-23-2009, 01:35 PM

I just hope they complete it before the Vikes come to their senses.:D

Rumors Rumors Rumors...

If it's true I think I might make that trade. But it's a risky move because Schaub could easily go down.

WMH

02-23-2009, 01:38 PM

From PFT:

ROSENFELS-TO-VIKES COMING TO FRUITION?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2009, 1:11 p.m.
Last year, the Minnesota Vikings nearly swung a deal for Texans backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels.

As rumors/reports had it, the Texans wanted a second-round pick, and the Vikes were willing to part only with a third-rounder.

This time around, the deal reportedly is close to happening, for a fourth-round selection.

The move would likely take the Vikings out of the running for a veteran quarterback in free agency, and it definitely would slam the door on speculation linking Matt Cassel to the men in purple.

Rosenfels is signed through 2009, at a base salary of $1.35 million.

Any deal could not be finalized until the start of the new league year, on Friday, February 27.

NBT

02-23-2009, 02:25 PM

I'm glad for Sage. Will give him a chance to rejuvinate his carreer.

papabear

02-23-2009, 03:59 PM

Rumors Rumors Rumors...

If it's true I think I might make that trade. But it's a risky move because Schaub could easily go down.

It's rare teams make the playoffs if they lose their starter for an extended period. I know the Pats have struck gold twice, and there's plenty of QB's who got their shot and stuck after an injury. Sage has had several shots and never been able to stick. OK, he probably should have been given the reigns over Carr, but he was stuck behind plenty of crappy QB's in Miami too.

I'm just not buying the importance of a back-up QB as much any more. Teams that win with Back-up QB's do it for 2 reasons...good running game and a good defense. I think Sage will be fine in Minny for those two reasons.

barrett

02-23-2009, 04:09 PM

Good deal if we can get a 4th simply because he's in his last year. He has been a great value for 3 years and if we can dump him for a pick now, he may go down as the most effective FA signing in Texans history (I'm saying more about our FA history than about Sage).

nunusguy

02-23-2009, 04:36 PM

I thought we should have taken the third last year
RosenCopter-Hindsight vision is always 20/20 isn't it ?

dalemurphy

02-23-2009, 04:48 PM

Thinking more about it, I don't know if a 4th makes sense. It seems to me that we could keep him and let him run out his contract. Then, next year, when he walks, we'd be in line for a compensatory pick for him. My guess is he'd likely get us at least a 5th round compensatory pick... I know that the compensatory picks are based on a net gain/loss in free agency but next season there are a lot of guys we're in jeopardy of losing:

Dunta
Pitts
OD?
RButler
Dryans
Cthompson
Dressens
DAnderson
WDemps
CBrown

and others... just something else to think about.

popanot

02-23-2009, 06:12 PM

Did I miss where the Vikings hired Charlie Casserly?

HPF Bob

02-23-2009, 07:14 PM

I'm down for a fourth. After all, it's our best draft round (Domanick Davis, Glenn Earl, Owen Daniels, Fred Bennett, etc.) :D

RunninRaven

02-23-2009, 07:26 PM

In hindsight a 3rd round pick last season would have been stellar, I'm still pleasantly surprised that there are any teams out there willing to give up a 4th round pick for Sage. Sage is a good backup, for the most part, but he is not the type of QB that can get you anywhere if you have to rely on him for a long period of time. For that reason, I think we would be almost as good relying on Brink or some other vet backup QB as we would sending Sage out to sling the ball around.

WMH

02-23-2009, 07:41 PM

I heard in the news flash on 610, that the Vikes are reported to sign Sage to a 3 year $9MM extension. Didn't hear any specific terms, just raw numbers.

TexanJedi

02-23-2009, 07:46 PM

I heard in the news flash on 610, that the Vikes are reported to sign Sage to a 3 year $9MM extension. Didn't hear any specific terms, just raw numbers.

That's a pretty good deal for Sage and the Vikes. Now they have him for at least 3 years, Sage gets a chance to start and a little financial security. I do wonder why Minnesota did not make the deal last year, I know the Texans wanted a 2, but if you think a guy can help get your team over the top you have to get him. I'm not saying Sage is leading anyone to a Super Bowl, but he just needs to manage the game and they can rely on their running game and defense.

dalemurphy

02-23-2009, 08:26 PM

In response to a question I submitted on McClain's blog, he emailed me this:

paraphrasing: It's a done deal for a 4th rounder but can't be announced until midnight on Thursday.

barrett

02-23-2009, 09:38 PM

That's a pretty good deal for Sage and the Vikes. Now they have him for at least 3 years, Sage gets a chance to start and a little financial security. I do wonder why Minnesota did not make the deal last year, I know the Texans wanted a 2, but if you think a guy can help get your team over the top you have to get him. I'm not saying Sage is leading anyone to a Super Bowl, but he just needs to manage the game and they can rely on their running game and defense.

The last thing you want is Sage Rosenfels managing a game for you. He is a turnover machine, but he offsets some of it by making plays and moving the ball up and down the field. If you ask him to be a game manager you handcuff the things he does well, while still probably not solving what his real problem is (forcing plays when the play breaks down to the instinct level).

kravix

02-23-2009, 10:32 PM

Thelast thing you want is Sage Rosenfels managing a game for you. He is a turnover machine, but he offsets some of it by making plays and moving the ball up and down the field. If you ask him to be a game manager you handcuff the things he does well, while still probably not solving what his real problem is (forcing plays when the play breaks down to the instinct level).

I would still take him as a starter over Booty, Frerotte, or Jackson. Between their Def and running game Sage may be just good enough to take them to the level of QB play they need.

Perhaps with less pressure on him as a backup trying to prove himself, getting a starting gig upfront may settle him down some. Professional or no some people are just funny that way.

If this happens, every sack will make me cringe next year. But all the best to Sage. He was the second best QB this team has ever had.

Roy P

02-24-2009, 12:00 AM

I'm down for a fourth. After all, it's our best draft round (Domanick Davis, Glenn Earl, Owen Daniels, Fred Bennett, etc.) :D

Good-bye Sage, hello Stephen McGee.

mussop

02-24-2009, 12:08 AM

Watch Sage go to Mini and light it up. :cool:

painekiller

02-24-2009, 01:36 AM

Good-bye Sage, hello Stephen McGee.

Don't discount John Parker, or Hunter Cantwell since he shorten his delivery.

Or it could even be Pat White, instant wildcat, and a decent QB to groom for further down the road.

coloradodude

02-24-2009, 01:45 AM

Day 1 is only the first two rounds now. Round 3 starts day 2

I actually laughed out loud when I read your response. I think I'll put myself on probation now. Thanks for the correction.

nunusguy

02-24-2009, 08:05 AM

Good-bye Sage, hello Stephen McGee.
McGee looks like a WC QB to me.
BTW Alex Brink is still on the roster. Does he have a future here, a real shot at being Schaubs primary backup ?

Roy P

02-24-2009, 08:11 AM

Don't discount John Parker.

JPW or McGee, either way, I'd be satisfied. Wilson is more polished, while McGee looks like he could make a lot of improvement with more reps.

barrett

02-24-2009, 08:44 AM

I can't stand McGee's attitude. A QB needs to be a cool head in a storm. Not a guy who stands up and wants to fight after getting sacked or who talks trash when down by a few TDs. Way too hotheaded to hand over an NFL offense to him.

Roy P

02-24-2009, 08:54 AM

nunusguy

02-24-2009, 09:02 AM

Don't discount John Parker
He's too pretty.
That boy had better not go on a fishing trip with Jon Voight & Burt down some river in 'Bama or GA.

barrett

02-24-2009, 10:20 AM

Sounds like Phillip Rivers or Jay Cutler.

Is that supposed to make it better?

Rivers is OK and Cutler is solid but do you think it is because of the Attitude problems or in spite of them?

papabear

02-24-2009, 10:21 AM

RosenCopter-Hindsight vision is always 20/20 isn't it ?

It's not hindsight when you said it at the time, well before the Rosencopter. I underatood the arguments for having a solid back up QB you are comfortable with. I wasn't mad when it didn't happen, but I think if you have a guy who's been around as long as Rosey and you've got a pretty good idea he's never going to be more than a marginal starter/back up and you can get a third round pick for it you should probably do it. I'm acutally worried the Vikes back out when they start to see all te QB's they can get without giving up a pick. I think Sage will be a good fit there because....well all QB's look better with a good defense and a good running game.

cadams

02-24-2009, 11:30 AM

I'm acutally worried the Vikes back out when they start to see all te QB's they can get without giving up a pick.

the deal could always fall through, but they already know what Qbs are out there, so it isn't like they will all of the sudden realize that Jeff Garcia is available.

Bigtinylittle

02-24-2009, 01:17 PM

I think Sage will be a good fit there because....well all QB's look better with a good defense and a good running game.

Glad you mentioned that. A lot of fans don't seem to understand that fact.

Roy P

02-24-2009, 03:51 PM

Is that supposed to make it better?

Rivers is OK and Cutler is solid but do you think it is because of the Attitude problems or in spite of them?

I don't think of it as an "Attitude problem" as much as it is cockiness. I'm not sure that you need it, but I don't think it's that big of a problem either.

Roy P

02-25-2009, 12:11 PM

On the old site, I went through all of the Texans drafts and what I would have liked to have seen the Franchise do. The first thing was to draft Julius Peppers instead of David Carr, and there are rumors now that Pepper may be on the Christmas wish list. Anyway, going through it all, I ended up drafting 2 QBs for the Texans.....Matt Schaub and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Well, Schaub was brought in when the Carr experiment was through and now John McClain is saying Fitz along with Orlovsky and Grossman are the probables to take over for Sage. Oh, the irony.

barrett

02-25-2009, 12:57 PM

I don't think of it as an "Attitude problem" as much as it is cockiness. I'm not sure that you need it, but I don't think it's that big of a problem either.

Cutler is reasonable, but I can't think of a single great QB who is as hot-headed as Rivers. And McGee is just as bad.

Great QBs are almost all noted for their cool head on the field. Unflappable is the most common word used. You just can't have your field general worried more about showing up a defensive player than he is about winning football games.

jppaul

02-25-2009, 02:12 PM

popanot

02-25-2009, 02:34 PM

Cutler is reasonable, but I can't think of a single great QB who is as hot-headed as Rivers. And McGee is just as bad.

Great QBs are almost all noted for their cool head on the field. Unflappable is the most common word used. You just can't have your field general worried more about showing up a defensive player than he is about winning football games.I have to admit, I hated Rivers when he first came into the league because of his hot-headness. I thought he'd fail miserably. However, over the last two years he seems to have calmed down and I'd take him over Cutler now. Rivers actually looks to be growing into a leader and someone who could carry his team, whereas, Cutler looks to be just a gunner who thinks more highly of himself than others do.

papabear

02-25-2009, 02:41 PM

I just saw John Clayton to an inside the huddle segment on ESPN Sportscenter, and he said teh reason that Childress has been after Rosenfels is his consistency.

It was at this point that I sharted myself.

He consistently made me say the F-Word :p. Seriously though, I think Sage is a great fit for Minny. I think he'll do well there. I never had anything against Rosey (until the chopper game) other than he would never be more than a decent QB...if he could cut down on the silly int's. Schaub has the potential to be a much better QB. I don't know if he'll ever live up to his potential completely, but what you see is all your ever going to get from Rosey.

papabear

02-26-2009, 11:33 PM

Just heard on NFL network that Sage flew to Minnesota today on NFL netwrok...I presume so they can hammer out a new contract.

edo783

02-26-2009, 11:34 PM

Just heard on NFL network that Sage flew to Minnesota today on NFL netwrok...I presume so they can hammer out a new contract.

I heard it was 3 years & 9 Mill. No confirmation yet.

painekiller

02-27-2009, 08:27 AM

Its been confirmed, Sage is a Viking, for a 4th.

according to rotoworld.com
Sage Rosenfels-QB- Vikings Feb. 27 - 8:28 am et

Scout.com's Adam Caplan has confirmed that the Vikings acquired Sage Rosenfels from the Texans for a fourth-round pick. Rosenfels signed a three-year, $9 million contract with Minnesota.

Minnesota nicely upgrades their quarterback position cheaply. The contract is so reasonable we could see Minnesota adding another free agent or draft pick to the mix. Rosenfels, however, looks like the heavy favorite to start for now and should put up workmanlike stats on the run-first team.
Source: Profootballtalk.com
Related: Tarvaris Jackson

Keith

02-27-2009, 09:10 AM

Rick's been working this deal for a long time. Way to make it happen. :rolleyes:

"We've been working on this for two years, and it's finally come to fruition," Smith said. "It's really hard to get a trade done."

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_11799371?nclick_check=1

WMH

02-27-2009, 10:29 AM

Rick's been working this deal for a long time. Way to make it happen. :rolleyes:

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_11799371?nclick_check=1

Is this a Chronicle type blunder....or does Rosencopter really have an agent named Rick Smith.......

houstonbola

02-27-2009, 11:52 AM

I seen it on BRB and on ESPN Texans news page that the Sage deal is a done thing. Sage got a 2 yr $9M contract from the Vikes which indicates to me that he will be able to compete for the starte QB spot. The Texans as rumored got the 4th rounder from the Vikes, so my question is what does Smithiak do with the newly aquired pick. I know Smithiak have in the past been able to find good talent in the middle rounds so I am not worried about it, they've shown to know what they're doing in the draft. Just excited to see how everything goes in April.

HPF Bob

02-27-2009, 02:48 PM

Is this a Chronicle type blunder....or does Rosencopter really have an agent named Rick Smith.......

I went to the Texans site and they confirmed that Rosenfels' agent really is named "Rick Smith" (they added "no relation to Texans' GM Rick Smith") - how freaky is that? - but even the official site won't confirm what we got in return which makes me wonder if this is for less than is being reported. Like a conditional draft pick or maybe it's for 2010 instead of this April.

dadmg

02-27-2009, 02:59 PM

I went to the Texans site and they confirmed that Rosenfels' agent really is named "Rick Smith" (they added "no relation to Texans' GM Rick Smith") - how freaky is that? - but even the official site won't confirm what we got in return which makes me wonder if this is for less than is being reported. Like a conditional draft pick or maybe it's for 2010 instead of this April.

NFL.com's transactions page has it for a 4th round pick. Considering the official league page doesn't have many of the reported deals (as they probably aren't finalized yet) I think this one's done. Granted, it doesn't say what year, but at the same time I'm pretty sure the transactions page notes future years if I remember correctly.

Sage Rosenfels (QB) traded (for a 4th round draft pick).

Keith

02-27-2009, 03:28 PM

Rosencopter humor never seems to get old for me.

techno viking video and a 'chank' song mashed by Steph:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrI1QNddVKU&eurl

http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/02/my_rosencopter_technoviking_vi.html