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Roy P

01-25-2009, 02:17 PM

Okay, the All-Star games are in the books. This is my list of players that I would draft for the Texans. Since this is the first list, I'm sure that it will have additions/subtractions and updates to follow. However, this is my initial gut feeling going into the Combine and Pro Days.

1 WR Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6'3" 214 4.54
2 OLB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 2" 246 4.62
3 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.38
4 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1" 325 5.15
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254 4.65
6 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
7 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 4" 260 4.73
8 CB D. J. Moore Vanderbilt 5' 10" 184 4.45
9 LB James Laurinaitis Ohio St. 6' 2" 240 4.59
10 OT Michael Oher Ole Miss 6' 5" 320 5.22
11 OT Eugene Monroe Virginia 6' 5" 315 5.23
12 CB Alphonso Smith Wake Forest 5' 9" 190 4.45
13 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 4" 248 4.67
14 CB Malcom Jenkins Ohio St. 6' 0" 200 4.45
15 OLB Brian Cushing USC 6' 4" 255 4.75
16 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.10
17 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 207 4.54
18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3" 273 4.76
19 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 11" 235 4.58
20 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.49
21 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 208 4.48
22 DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech 6' 7" 258 4.67
23 FS William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.49
24 WR Percy Harvin Florida 5' 11" 195 4.36
25 TE Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6' 6" 260 4.82
26 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.42
27 OG Phil Loadholt Oklahoma 6' 8" 338 5.30
28 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 5" 265 4.68
29 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 4.93
30 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 305 5.20
31 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 3" 298 4.99
32 WR Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 6' 1" 210 4.5733 WR Derrick Williams Penn St 6' 0" 196 4.40
34 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 304 5.16
35 OLB Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 254 4.70
36 DE/OLB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.68
37 OLB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida 6' 2" 235 4.64
38 OLB Marcus Freeman Ohio St. 6' 1" 236 4.58
39 OLB Zach Follett California 6' 2" 231 4.68
40 MLB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.74
41 FS Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 195 4.49
42 QB Josh Freeman Kansas State 6' 6" 245 4.86
43 RB James Davis Clemson 5' 11" 207 4.48
44 OLB Darry Beckwith LSU 6' 1" 233 4.59
45 OLB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.60
46 OL Alex Boone Ohio St. 6' 8" 330 5.27
47 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 187 4.48
48 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.12
49 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 297 5.14
50 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 234 4.50
51 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 238 4.65
52 DE Matt Shaughnessy Wisconsin 6' 5" 260 4.7453 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.82
54 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 296 5.06
55 TE Bear Pascoe Fresno St 6' 5" 257 4.86
56 RB Arian Foster Tennessee 6' 1" 232 4.56
57 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 210 4.54
58 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.18
59 OLB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 241 4.64
60 FS C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.49
61 OG Andy Kemp Wisconsin 6' 5" 315 5.19
62 SS Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.52
63 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.79
64 OLB Jason Williams W. Illinois 6' 1" 236 4.59
65 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99
66 FS David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 210 4.55
67 DE Derek Walker Illinois 6' 3" 270 4.79
68 OG Greg Isdaner W. Virginia 6' 4" 322 5.19
69 OLB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243 4.68
70 RB Gartrell Johnson Colorado St. 5' 11" 222 4.67
71 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 3" 262 4.76
72 LB Kaluka Maiava USC 6' 0" 232 4.69
73 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 10" 219 4.58
74 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11" 203 4.54
75 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 5" 240 4.69
76 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0" 310 5.08
77 RB P.J. Hill Wisconsin 5' 11" 236 4.59
78 OL Robert Brewster Ball State 6' 4" 312 5.10
79 FS Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.50
80 LB Joseph Frantz Florida Atlantic 6' 2" 235 4.73
81 FB Quinn Johnson LSU 6' 1" 251 4.67

The 1st 5 picks is who I'd take at #15. 6 - 14 are 1st round picks that I'd like to trade down and still select.
Picks 15 - 32 are probaby where we are in the 2nd round.
Picks 43 - 52 are probably 4th round picks.

Right now, anybody below 52 is a crap shoot as to which round they will be selected in. Invariably, when I do a draft board, guy that I feel are worthy of 5th round picks are available in the 6th and 7th or even UDFAs.

I will concede that I probably have guys rated lower than most boards have them right now. I suppose, I have them listed where they are because I hope they will slip.

idymoe

01-26-2009, 11:39 AM

I appreciate all the effort you put into this.
Just for grins, I would take:

1-Raji
2-Paul Kruger - I don't think Cushing will be there
3-Rashad Johnson - I really hope someone else falls to round 3
4-Darry Beckwith
5-Bear Pascoe
6-Gartrell Johnson
7-Kory Sheets

I think Gartrell Johnson would be a good complement to S.S., and if S.S went down, Sheets could probably fill in adequately.

By the way, Roy, when do you think Delmas and Tyronne Green will go?

Roy P

01-26-2009, 12:28 PM

I

3-Rashad Johnson - I really hope someone else falls to round 3
4-Darry Beckwith

By the way, Roy, when do you think Delmas and Tyronne Green will go?

Who do you want to fall to the 3rd round? I'd guess that Delmas will be selected late 2nd to early 3rd and Green is 3-4 range.

idymoe

01-26-2009, 01:32 PM

Ha, how wishful is ridiculous? Delmas? Chung, Ayers, Shaughnessy, Brace, Sean Smith. Probably none of the above will be there. I really don't have much to base my preferences on other than measureables and a few times I've actually seen some of these guys play.

TrickyTexan

01-26-2009, 04:26 PM

most ridiculous thing i saw over the weekend was Josh Freeman going in the top 20..what a joke..He is a poor man's Tony Banks.

Roy P

01-26-2009, 06:29 PM

Well, one of the reasons I like to make My Guys is to use it for mock drafts. Since DraftTek runs simulations, I compared my list to their 7 round mock and this is what I came away with.

1 - DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
2 - RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.49
3 - LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.68
4 - LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.74
5 - QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.82
6 - TE Bear Pascoe Fresno St 6' 5" 257 4.86
7 - LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243 4.68

So, no help for the Secondary is my biggest complaint. I could have drafted DT Darryl Richard in the 7th, but since I had Jerry in the 1st, it seemed redundant. Cody Brown is my SAM/DE where Lee Robinson will push last year's 4th round pick at the WILL. McKillop is a MLB who may or may not allow Ryans to play the WILL. I could have drafted FS Marcel McBath in the 7th, but I'm not sure if he moves out one of the Brandons. I was hopeful Rashad Johnson would slide down to my 4th round pick, but Seattle snagged him at #101.

http://www.drafttek.com/round12009.asp

idymoe

01-26-2009, 09:49 PM

I think your draft would really help next year, regardless of no secondary. Things can go wrong, just like they can go right, but.. DRob should be more recovered from his severe injuries. Molden should be a lot more comfortable next year mentally, with a season under his belt. Reeves doesn't kill you. Wilson certainly doesn't kill you. Barber could be ready to step up next year. I don't know if he was just flipping something out there, or if he heard something from the staff, but McClain said in his chat today that he expects Wilson and Barber to be the starting safeties next year. Of course, the secondary could also be improved with a free agent. Surely, we will get at least one free agent that will be an upgrade.

Roy P

01-28-2009, 08:13 PM

Jan 28, 2009 Update:

Well, like I said, I'd be making changes. For example, I somehow left off Purdue DT Alex Magee. I probably still don't have him high enough on my board, but at least now he's on my radar. Also, the Texas vs. Nation game is this week, so I'll probably end up moving up OLB Lee Robinson of Alcorn State. I'm still considering adding DE Pierre Walters of Eastern Illinois.

1 WR Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6'3" 214 4.54
2 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 2" 246 4.62
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254 4.65
4 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.38
5 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
6 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1" 325 5.15
7 CB D. J. Moore Vanderbilt 5' 10" 184 4.45
8 OT Michael Oher Ole Miss 6' 5" 320 5.22
9 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 4" 260 4.73
10 CB Alphonso Smith Wake Forest 5' 9" 190 4.45
11 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
12 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.49
13 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 4" 248 4.67
14 CB Malcom Jenkins Ohio St. 6' 0" 200 4.45
15 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 208 4.48
16 LB James Laurinaitis Ohio St. 6' 2" 240 4.59
17 OT Eugene Monroe Virginia 6' 5" 315 5.23
18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3" 273 4.76
19 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 11" 235 4.58
20 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 207 4.54
21 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 5" 265 4.68
22 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.49
23 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.42
24 WR Percy Harvin Florida 5' 11" 195 4.36
25 LB Brian Cushing USC 6' 4" 255 4.75
26 DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech 6' 7" 258 4.67
27 OG Phil Loadholt Oklahoma 6' 8" 338 5.30
28 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 4.93
29 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 305 5.20
30 WR Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 6' 1" 210 4.57
31 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 3" 298 4.99
32 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.10
33 TE Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6' 6" 260 4.82
34 WR Derrick Williams Penn St 6' 0" 196 4.40
35 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 304 5.16
36 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.68
37 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 195 4.49
38 LB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida 6' 2" 235 4.64
39 LB Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 254 4.70
40 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.74
41 LB Zach Follett California 6' 2" 231 4.68
42 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio St. 6' 1" 236 4.58
43 QB Josh Freeman Kansas State 6' 6" 245 4.86
44 RB James Davis Clemson 5' 11" 207 4.48
45 LB Darry Beckwith LSU 6' 1" 233 4.59
46 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.60
47 OG Alex Boone Ohio St. 6' 8" 330 5.27
48 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 234 4.50
49 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 187 4.48
50 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.12
51 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.82
52 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 238 4.65
53 DE Matt Shaughnessy Wisconsin 6' 5" 260 4.74
54 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 297 5.14
55 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 296 5.06
56 TE Bear Pascoe Fresno St 6' 5" 257 4.86
57 RB Arian Foster Tennessee 6' 1" 232 4.56
58 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 210 4.54
59 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.18
60 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 241 4.64
61 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.49
62 OG Andy Kemp Wisconsin 6' 5" 315 5.19
63 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243 4.68
64 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 3" 295 4.94
65 LB Jason Williams W. Illinois 6' 1" 236 4.59
66 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99
67 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 210 4.55
68 DE Derek Walker Illinois 6' 3" 270 4.79
69 OG Greg Isdaner W. Virginia 6' 4" 322 5.19
70 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.52
71 RB Gartrell Johnson Colorado St. 5' 11" 222 4.67
72 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 3" 262 4.76
73 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.79
74 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 10" 219 4.58
75 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11" 203 4.54
76 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 5" 240 4.69
77 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0" 310 5.08
78 RB P.J. Hill Wisconsin 5' 11" 236 4.59
79 OG Robert Brewster Ball State 6' 4" 312 5.10
80 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.50
81 LB Joseph Frantz Florida Atlantic 6' 2" 235 4.73
82 FB Quinn Johnson LSU 6' 1" 251 4.67
83 LB Kaluka Maiava USC 6' 0" 232 4.69

I'm wondering if some of the "stud" LBs drop like Ryans and Posluszny did in their drafts.

Bigtinylittle

01-28-2009, 09:20 PM

kRocket

01-29-2009, 02:07 AM

Okay, the All-Star games are in the books. This is my list of players that I would draft for the Texans....

.... I have them listed where they are because I hope they will slip.

Roy: Did you leave off Big Herman Johnson from LSU on purpose ?

Roy P

01-29-2009, 06:25 PM

Roy: Did you leave off Big Herman Johnson from LSU on purpose ?

Yes. I can't fathom a guy that size as a ZBS OL for Gibbs.

barrett

01-29-2009, 06:41 PM

Roy: Did you leave off Big Herman Johnson from LSU on purpose ?

I read that Johnson is the biggest baby ever born in the state of Louisiana. 15 lbs 14 oz. Unbelievable.

jppaul

01-29-2009, 08:51 PM

Yes. I can't fathom a guy that size as a ZBS OL for Gibbs.

That size, and the fact that he moves like he has giant bricks on his feet.

Roy P

01-29-2009, 11:14 PM

Another Mock using my list to fit needs....

1. DT BJ Raji
2. DE Paul Kruger
3. RB Rashad Jennings
4. SLB Cody Brown
5. C/G Eric Wood
6. FS CJ Spillman
7. WLB Lee Robinson

kRocket

01-30-2009, 12:22 AM

Yes. I can't fathom a guy that size as a ZBS OL for Gibbs.

I am wondering whether the ZBS is as effective at sea level in the 4th qtr as it is in Denver. It appeared that we had an enormous problem pushing the ball in from 3-4 yds out. I watched HJ in the one-on-one drills during Senior Bowl week and he had trouble with speed rushers running around him, but nobody ran through him. The right side of the South line where he started as RT I believe. fairly shut down the vaunted B J Raji. That was how I saw it in the first half and maybe the second half judging by the score, I missed that.

He and Eric Winston would be a formidable right side with maybe Alex Mack, Max Unger, Eric Wood or Antoine Caldwell thrown in at center.

papabear

01-30-2009, 10:45 AM

Yes. I can't fathom a guy that size as a ZBS OL for Gibbs.

It's not the size, but the athleticism that keeps him from being a ZBS guy. If you could find a guy that big and strong who moved well enough to fit Gibbs scehme....I think Gibbs would need to change his underwear.

Roy P

01-30-2009, 05:40 PM

It's not the size, but the athleticism that keeps him from being a ZBS guy. If you could find a guy that big and strong who moved well enough to fit Gibbs scehme....I think Gibbs would need to change his underwear.

I was indirectly saying that his size prevents the athleticism needed.

Roy P

02-03-2009, 10:37 PM

Feb 3, 2009
I have to date these boards so that I don't come in and update 3 times on the same day. I'll try to refrain for the next few days. With all of the hubbub about who we should pick at #15, I mentioned that Jeremy Maclin would not be a bad option. As a matter of fact, in a given scenario I mentioned he was the BPA and that sparked off a long conversation. Just to show that I don't think JMac is the very best player in the draft, I thought I'd revisit My Guys. I have also shown my disrespect for Malcolm Jenkins in a Mock draft, so this also reflects where I put him. Lastly, this shows where I have Laurainitis, Cushing, and all the other favorites that I would be more than happy drafting (in the 2nd round).

1 WR Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6'3" 214 4.54
2 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254 4.65
3 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 2" 246 4.62
4 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.38
5 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1" 325 5.15
6 OT Michael Oher Ole Miss 6' 5" 320 5.22
7 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 4" 260 4.73
8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
9 CB D. J. Moore Vanderbilt 5' 10" 184 4.45
10 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.42
11 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.49
12 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
13 CB Alphonso Smith Wake Forest 5' 9" 190 4.45
14 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 208 4.48
15 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 4" 248 4.67
16 CB Malcom Jenkins Ohio St. 6' 0" 200 4.45
17 OT Eugene Monroe Virginia 6' 5" 315 5.23
18 LB James Laurinaitis Ohio St. 6' 2" 240 4.59
19 LB Brian Cushing USC 6' 4" 255 4.75
20 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 11" 235 4.58
21 WR Percy Harvin Florida 5' 11" 195 4.36
22 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3" 273 4.76
23 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 5" 265 4.68
24 WR Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 6' 1" 210 4.57
25 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 207 4.54
26 TE Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6' 6" 260 4.82
27 DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech 6' 7" 258 4.67
28 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.49
29 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 305 5.20
30 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.10
31 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 234 4.50
32 OG Phil Loadholt Oklahoma 6' 8" 338 5.30
33 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 4.93
34 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 3" 298 4.99
35 LB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida 6' 2" 235 4.64
36 LB Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 254 4.70
37 QB Josh Freeman Kansas State 6' 6" 245 4.86
38 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.68
39 WR Derrick Williams Penn St 6' 0" 196 4.40
40 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 304 5.16
41 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 195 4.49
42 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.74
43 LB Darry Beckwith LSU 6' 1" 233 4.59
44 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio St. 6' 1" 236 4.58
45 LB Zach Follett California 6' 2" 231 4.68
46 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 3" 295 4.94
47 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.12
48 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.60
49 RB James Davis Clemson 5' 11" 207 4.48
50 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 238 4.65
51 TE Bear Pascoe Fresno St 6' 5" 257 4.86
52 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 187 4.48
53 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 297 5.14
54 DE Matt Shaughnessy Wisconsin 6' 5" 260 4.74
55 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.82
56 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 210 4.55
57 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 210 4.54
58 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 296 5.06
59 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243 4.68
60 LB Jason Williams W. Illinois 6' 1" 236 4.59
61 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.18
62 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.49
63 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.52
64 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 241 4.64
65 DE Derek Walker Illinois 6' 3" 270 4.79
66 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99
67 LB Joseph Frantz Florida Atlantic 6' 2" 235 4.73
68 OG Andy Kemp Wisconsin 6' 5" 315 5.19
69 RB Arian Foster Tennessee 6' 1" 232 4.56
70 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.79
71 OG Alex Boone Ohio St. 6' 8" 330 5.27
72 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 3" 262 4.76
73 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 5.09
74 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.50
75 OG Greg Isdaner W. Virginia 6' 4" 322 5.19
76 RB Gartrell Johnson Colorado St. 5' 11" 222 4.67
77 FB Quinn Johnson LSU 6' 1" 251 4.67
78 OG Robert Brewster Ball State 6' 4" 312 5.10
79 RB P.J. Hill Wisconsin 5' 11" 236 4.59
80 LB Kaluka Maiava USC 6' 0" 232 4.69
81 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 10" 219 4.58
82 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 5" 240 4.69
83 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11" 203 4.54
84 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0" 310 5.08

mussop

02-04-2009, 04:49 AM

Mine would look lsomething like this

1st without trade down
These are players that might fall but doubtfull.
B.J. Raji, Boston College
Height: 6-1. Weight: 334.
Projected 40 Time: 5.12.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.

OT Michael Oher Ole Miss 6' 5" 320 5.22
DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 4" 260 4.73
DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254 4.65
WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.38

1st with trade down
Max Unger, Oregon
Height: 6-4. Weight: 299.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2009): 1-2.

Alex Mack, California
Height: 6-4. Weight: 312.
Projected 40 Time: 5.13.
Projected Round (2009): 1.

LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh
Height: 5-11. Weight: 207.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round (2009): 1.

Peria Jerry, Ole Miss
Height: 6-1. Weight: 290.
Projected 40 Time: 4.94.
Projected Round (2009): Top 25 Pick.

Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 257.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2009): Top 25 Pick.

Clint Sintim, Virginia
Height: 6-3. Weight: 254.
Projected Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
Projected Round (2009): 1-2.

Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
Height: 6-7. Weight: 257.
Projected 40 Time: 4.63.
Projected Round (2009): Top 25 Pick.

2nd
Donald Brown, Connecticut
Height: 5-10. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round (2009): 2.

Victor Harris, Virginia Tech
Height: 5-10. Weight: 186.
Projected 40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round (2009): 2.

Darius Butler, Connecticut
Height: 5-10. Weight: 178.
Projected 40 Time: 4.36.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest
Height: 5-8. Weight: 193.
Projected 40 Time: 4.41.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

Shonn Greene, Iowa
Height: 5-11. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round (2009): 2.

Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
Height: 5-11. Weight: 197.
Projected 40 Time: 4.47.
Projected Round (2009): 1-2

Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma
Height: 6-0. Weight: 204.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2009): 2.

Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
Height: 5-11. Weight: 207.
Projected 40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round (2009): 2.

Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
Height: 5-11. Weight: 195.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round (2009): 2.

Chase Coffman, Missouri
Height: 6-6. Weight: 249.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2009): 2

3rd
Clay Matthews, USC
Height: 6-3. Weight: 246.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

Tyrone McKenzie, South Florida
Height: 6-1. Weight: 244.
Projected 40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

Emanuel Cook, SS/FS, South Carolina
Height: 5-10. Weight: 203.
Projected 40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round (2009): 3.

Michael Hamlin, SS, Clemson
Height: 6-2. Weight: 207.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2009): 3.

Evander Hood, Missouri
Height: 6-3. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 4.94.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

Fili Moala, USC
Height: 6-4. Weight: 303.
Projected 40 Time: 5.05.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

Robert Ayers, Tennessee
Height: 6-3. Weight: 273.
Projected 40 Time: 4.73.
Projected Round (2009): 3.

Jamon Meredith, South Carolina
Height: 6-5. Weight: 302.
Projected 40 Time: 5.04.
Projected Round (2009): 3.

Andy Levitre, Oregon State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 306.
Projected 40 Time: 5.22.
Projected Round (2009): 3.

Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati
Height: 6-4. Weight: 311.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.

Jared Cook, South Carolina
Height: 6-5. Weight: 242.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.

Matt Shaughnessy, Wisconsin
Height: 6-6. Weight: 251.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
Projected Round (2009): 3.

4th
Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 280.
Projected 40 Time: 5.15.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.

Pat White, West Virginia
Height: 6-0. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round (2009): 3.

Travis Beckum, Wisconsin
Height: 6-4. Weight: 236.
Projected 40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2009): 4.

Andre Brown, N.C. State
Height: 6-0. Weight: 224.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.

Xavier Fulton, Illinois
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2009): 4.

Vance Walker, Georgia Tech
Height: 6-2. Weight: 295.
Projected 40 Time: 4.99.
Projected Round (2009): 4.

Jason Phillips, TCU
Height: 6-1. Weight: 234.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2009): 4.

A.Q. Shipley, Penn State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 5.09.
Projected Round (2009): 4.

5th
Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman
Height: 6-4. Weight: 330.
Projected 40 Time: 5.23.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.

Gartrell Johnson, Colorado State
Height: 5-11. Weight: 222.
Projected 40 Time: 4.62.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.

Jarett Dillard, Rice
Height: 5-11. Weight: 182.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.

Bear Pascoe, Fresno State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 260.
Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
Projected Round (2009): 5.

Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh
Height: 6-1. Weight: 243.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.

George Hypolite, Colorado
Height: 6-1. Weight: 287.
Projected 40 Time: 4.93.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.

6th
Selvish Capers, West Virginia
Height: 6-6. Weight: 291.
Projected 40 Time: 4.92.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.

Ryan Stanchek, West Virginia
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 5.22.
Projected Round (2009): 6.

Andrew Hartline, Central Michigan
Height: 6-5. Weight: 294.
Projected 40 Time: 5.08.
Projected Round (2009): 6.

Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 267.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.

7th
Josh Mauga, Nevada
Height: 6-2. Weight: 246.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.
Projected Round (2009): 6-7.

Greg Isdaner, West Virginia
Height: 6-4. Weight: 315.
Projected 40 Time: 5.16.
Projected Round (2009): 6-7

mussop

02-04-2009, 04:54 AM

Yes. I can't fathom a guy that size as a ZBS OL for Gibbs.

Then why have Loadhalt on youre list?:confused:

Roy P

02-04-2009, 05:58 PM

Then why have Loadhalt on youre list?:confused:

He's 50lbs lighter than HJ, so I hope he's a little more athletic. Also, I'm considering using him at RG instead of RT. It's probably a moot point anyway, because where I have him listed is most likely much lower than when he'll be off the board.

jppaul

02-04-2009, 10:33 PM

From what I saw he had real problems out in space and with speed rushers. More of a lock on and maul type that the Ravens or the Steelers would use.

painekiller

02-04-2009, 10:56 PM

From what I saw he had real problems out in space and with speed rushers. More of a lock on and maul type that the Ravens or the Steelers would use.

I agree with jp seemed like a RT or even a guard to me, not a LT at all.

mussop

02-05-2009, 04:35 AM

Roy P

02-05-2009, 07:01 PM

He's 50lbs lighter than HJ, so I hope he's a little more athletic. Also, I'm considering using him at RG instead of RT. It's probably a moot point anyway, because where I have him listed is most likely much lower than when he'll be off the board.

Again, let me say that the only reason I'd want Loadholt is to play RG. In a ZBS I wouldn't be asking him to pull and lead the way on sweeps. He looked pretty good at getting to the second level and would help on short yardage and goal line situations when an OL needs to move the DL back off the line of scrimmage.

Now, if somebody wants to draft him early on and put him at OT, then I'll simply move on to the next player on my draft list.

jppaul

02-05-2009, 10:41 PM

I say we draft Herman (Monster) Johnson and put him at DT. Hey if anyone can tie up 2 blockers he could. 6'7" 386.:eek: What center would want that big SOB ligned up across from him?:D Seriously I wonder if he could do it? :cool:

Seriously though even if he just falls down he is still a 5 ft wide 5 ft tall puddle of a man, and sitting down I imagine that he has great leverage. :D

The Bucs used to do something like that in goal line situations, dive forward at the opponents knee level.

Imagine the possibilities.

jppaul

02-05-2009, 10:44 PM

Again, let me say that the only reason I'd want Loadholt is to play RG. In a ZBS I wouldn't be asking him to pull and lead the way on sweeps. He looked pretty good at getting to the second level and would help on short yardage and goal line situations when an OL needs to move the DL back off the line of scrimmage.

Now, if somebody wants to draft him early on and put him at OT, then I'll simply move on to the next player on my draft list.

Naw, I got you RP, he would be real useful on goaline situations at RG, as a drive blocker. As we all know the problem with ZBS is around the goalline, because the OL is lighter they are not as effective inside the redzone where the opponent knows you are going to run. The biggest baby in the history of Louisana could sure help out there.

Roy P

02-08-2009, 08:57 PM

Feb 8, 2009

This thing has gotten larger as I've taken a look at more players. I am somewhat hopeful, that I'll be able to thin it back down after the Combine. After some insightful discussions players are moving up and down my draft board. So, here's the latest itteration.

1 WR Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6'3" 214 4.54
2 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254 4.65
3 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 2" 246 4.62
4 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1" 325 5.15
5 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.38
6 OT Michael Oher Ole Miss 6' 5" 320 5.22
7 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 4" 260 4.73
8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
9 CB D. J. Moore Vanderbilt 5' 10" 184 4.45
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
11 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 208 4.48
12 CB Alphonso Smith Wake Forest 5' 9" 190 4.45
13 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.42
14 CB Malcom Jenkins Ohio St. 6' 0" 200 4.45
15 OT Eugene Monroe Virginia 6' 5" 315 5.23
16 LB James Laurinaitis Ohio St. 6' 2" 240 4.59
17 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 4" 248 4.67
18 LB Brian Cushing USC 6' 4" 255 4.75
19 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.49
20 WR Percy Harvin Florida 5' 11" 195 4.36
21 WR Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 6' 1" 210 4.57
22 TE Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6' 6" 260 4.82
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 11" 235 4.58
24 DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech 6' 7" 258 4.67
25 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3" 273 4.76
26 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 5" 265 4.68
27 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 207 4.54
28 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.49
29 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 305 5.20
30 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.10
31 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 3" 298 4.99
32 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 234 4.50
33 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 4.93
34 WR Derrick Williams Penn St 6' 0" 196 4.40
35 LB Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 254 4.70
36 OG Phil Loadholt Oklahoma 6' 8" 338 5.30
37 QB Josh Freeman Kansas State 6' 6" 245 4.86
38 CB Coye Francies San Jose St. 6' 0" 179 4.47
39 LB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida 6' 2" 235 4.64
40 S Derek Peques Mississippi St. 5' 10" 193 4.49
41 TE Jared Cook S. Carolina 6' 5" 240 4.58
42 CB Domonique Johnson Jackson St. 6' 2" 192 4.38
43 LB Darry Beckwith LSU 6' 1" 233 4.59
44 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 304 5.16
45 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.68
46 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 195 4.49
47 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio St. 6' 1" 236 4.58
48 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 3" 295 4.94
49 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.74
50 LB Zach Follett California 6' 2" 231 4.68
51 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.12
52 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.60
53 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 238 4.65
54 RB James Davis Clemson 5' 11" 207 4.48
55 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 1" 198 4.50
56 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0" 224 4.60
57 DE Matt Shaughnessy Wisconsin 6' 5" 260 4.74
58 TE Bear Pascoe Fresno St 6' 5" 257 4.86
59 DT Vance Walker Ga Tech 6' 2" 295 5.02
60 RB Arian Foster Tennessee 6' 1" 232 4.56
61 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 296 5.06
62 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 187 4.48
63 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 297 5.14
64 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 210 4.55
65 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 210 4.54
66 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.82
67 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.18
68 LB Jason Williams W. Illinois 6' 1" 236 4.59
69 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 310 5.02
70 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.49
71 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 3" 267 4.76
72 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 241 4.64
73 LB Joseph Frantz Florida Atlantic 6' 2" 235 4.73
74 OG Andy Kemp Wisconsin 6' 5" 315 5.19
76 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243 4.68
76 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.79
77 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.52
78 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99
79 DE Derek Walker Illinois 6' 3" 270 4.79
80 RB Gartrell Johnson Colorado St. 5' 11" 222 4.67
81 RB P.J. Hill Wisconsin 5' 11" 236 4.59
82 OG Greg Isdaner W. Virginia 6' 4" 322 5.19
83 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.50
84 OG Alex Boone Ohio St. 6' 8" 330 5.27
85 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 1" 200 4.49
86 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 5.09
87 OG Robert Brewster Ball State 6' 4" 312 5.10
88 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 3" 262 4.76
89 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11" 203 4.54
90 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 5" 240 4.69
91 S Marcus McClinton Kentucky 6' 0" 208 4.50
92 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 10" 219 4.58
93 FB Quinn Johnson LSU 6' 1" 251 4.67
94 LB Kaluka Maiava USC 6' 0" 232 4.69
95 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0" 310 5.08
96 CB Londen Fryar W. Michigan 5' 11" 187 4.53
97 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
98 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 212 4.57
99 RB Herb Donaldson W. Illinois 5' 10" 222 4.59

Roy P

02-15-2009, 10:02 PM

It has been a week and I'm wondering if I should add Chip Vaughn of Wake Forest or Michael Hamlin of Clemson. Anyway, they are not there yet. I'm also trimming the fat.

1 WR Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6'3" 214
2 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 2" 246
3 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200
4 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1" 325
5 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204
6 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295
8 CB Alphonso Smith Wake Forest 5' 9" 190
9 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 4" 260
10 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 208
11 CB D. J. Moore Vanderbilt 5' 10" 184
12 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210
13 CB Malcom Jenkins Ohio St. 6' 0" 200
14 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 5" 265
15 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210
16 WR Percy Harvin Florida 5' 11" 195
17 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3" 273
18 WR Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 6' 1" 210
19 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 11" 235
20 DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech 6' 7" 258
21 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 4" 248
22 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226
23 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 207
24 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295
25 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 3" 298
26 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 305
27 TE Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6' 6" 260
28 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314
29 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 234
30 WR Derrick Williams Penn St 6' 0" 196
31 LB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida 6' 2" 235
32 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 304
33 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 195
34 TE Jared Cook S. Carolina 6' 5" 240
35 S Derek Peques Mississippi St. 5' 10" 193
36 LB Darry Beckwith LSU 6' 1" 233
37 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242
38 CB Domonique Johnson Jackson St. 6' 2" 192
39 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 3" 295
40 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243
41 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236
42 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 238
43 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307
44 LB Zach Follett California 6' 2" 231
45 DE Matt Shaughnessy Wisconsin 6' 5" 260
46 RB James Davis Clemson 5' 11" 207
47 TE Bear Pascoe Fresno St 6' 5" 257
48 DT Vance Walker Ga Tech 6' 2" 295
49 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0" 224
50 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 1" 198
51 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 296
52 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215
53 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 297
54 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 3" 267
55 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 187
56 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190
57 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 210
58 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306
59 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314
60 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 241
61 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243
62 OG Andy Kemp Wisconsin 6' 5" 315
63 LB Frantz Joseph Florida Atlantic 6' 2" 235
64 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 310
65 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210
66 RB P.J. Hill Wisconsin 5' 11" 236
67 DE Derek Walker Illinois 6' 3" 270
68 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223
69 OG Greg Isdaner W. Virginia 6' 4" 322
70 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 3" 262
71 OG Robert Brewster Ball State 6' 4" 312
72 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269
73 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199
74 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 5" 240
75 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300
76 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 212
77 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11" 203
78 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 10" 219
79 S Marcus McClinton Kentucky 6' 0" 208
80 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0" 310
81 RB Herb Donaldson W. Illinois 5' 10" 222

Roy P

02-24-2009, 05:55 PM

It has been a week and now I've seen some official numbers from the Combine. Some guys have been added and some have been dropped. Others have been moved up or down my board. So, here's where I am on the 24th. If I get more information from Pro-Days etc. there is still time for improvement. Not every 40 time is official, and many are simply best guesses. Those with DNP obviously did not run. I'm guessing a 4.54 for Crabtree when healthy.

1st Rounders
1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.56
2 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254 4.73
3 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.38
4 WR Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6'3" 214 4.54
5 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.13
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3" 240 4.67
7 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.49
8 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.70
9 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
10 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.51
11 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 10 5/8" 217 4.61
12 CB Alphonso Smith Wake Forest 5' 9" 190 4.45

2nd Rounders
13 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.64
14 WR Percy Harvin Florida 5' 11" 195 4.41
15 CB D. J. Moore Vanderbilt 5' 10" 184 4.45
16 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
17 WR Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 6' 1" 210 4.57
18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3" 273 4.80
19 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.84
20 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 4" 249 4.78
21 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 207 4.54
22 TE Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6' 6" 260 4.82
23 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 3" 298 4.89
24 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.49
25 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 304 5.16
26 DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech 6' 6 7/8" 266 4.75
27 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 305 5.20
28 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.10
29 TE Jared Cook S. Carolina 6' 5" 240 4.50
30 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.49

3rd Rounders
31 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
32 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.62
33 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.01
34 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 297 5.14
35 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.61
36 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 195 4.49
37 S Derek Peques Mississippi St. 5' 10" 193 4.49
38 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 187 4.40
39 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 238 4.56
40 LB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida 6' 2" 235 4.64
41 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.46

4th Rounders
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.47
43 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.07
44 LB Darry Beckwith LSU 6' 0 3/8" 242 4.70
45 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 210 4.45
46 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 DNP
47 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.12
48 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.50
49 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.41
50 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 296 4.99
51 DT Vance Walker Ga Tech 6' 2" 295 5.02
52 RB James Davis Clemson 5' 11" 207 4.48
53 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.87
54 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.66
55 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.58
56 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 DNP

5th Rounders
57 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.46
58 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.77
59 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.24
60 DE Derek Walker Illinois 6' 3" 270 4.79
61 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.77
62 TE Bear Pascoe Fresno St 6' 5" 257 4.98
63 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243 4.73

6th Rounders
64 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 3" 262 4.84
65 OG Andy Kemp Wisconsin 6' 5" 315 5.19
66 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 241 4.84
67 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.84
68 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
69 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1" 221 4.51
70 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 310 5.02
71 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.52
72 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.50
73 OG Robert Brewster Ball State 6' 4" 312 5.10
74 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78

7th Rounders
75 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.01
76 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.52
77 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 212 4.59
78 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.18
79 RB P.J. Hill Wisconsin 5' 11" 236 DNP
80 RB Herb Donaldson W. Illinois 5' 10" 222 4.59

painekiller

02-24-2009, 09:58 PM

Glad to see I am not the only one who likes D Brown in the 1st.

Wouldn't you love to have about 3 or 4 picks in the 2nd.

And you are giving McGee a 4th round grade? Wow!

So are looking for Matthews at 15 or do you trade down?

Roy P

02-24-2009, 10:40 PM

Ok, the DraftTek folk haven't updated their mock for the Combine movers, but I just couldn't wait. Using my new board, this is what I did....

1. OLB/DE Clay Matthews. I'd like to be able to trade down, but I really like what I see here and if I can't get good return, I'll just take him at #15.

2. RB Donald Brown. I doubt that I'll be able to get him after the post-combine update is finished. In reality, I'll probably be getting my 3rd round pick here.

3. DE Lawrence Sidbury Jr. This guy is going to shoot up boards like Matthews will. All the talk about 3-4 hybrids and teams that are switching is going to make the supply dry up in a hurry. The focus has been on Maybin, English, and Cushing, but that will be changing here shortly.

4. OC AQ Shipley. Well, he's not Eric Wood or Alex Mack, but he's got some tools to work with. I'm not sure if he can play the OG position, but he should be better than Studdard.

5. FS CJ Spillman. I sort of waffled back and forth between he and Chris Clemons since Clemons ran a better 40 yard dash. However, I went with instincts over measurables on this one and 4.5 is not horrible at FS.

6. QB Stephen McGee. The main reason that I like this kid is because of his ability to throw accurately on the run with good arm strength. We may have a couple of years to teach him the other stuff. Think Kevin Kolb without giving up a 2nd round pick.

7. DE Derek Walker. I realize that I drafted Sidbury, but he's going to wear down if I don't rotate him. Walker is probably better on short yardage and goal line defense, but he can also give a little something in the pass rush too. He is my "poor man's" Robert Ayers.

I'm intriqued by NT Terrance Knighton of Temple. I watched him the Texas vs. the Nation game. At 6'3" 321lbs, he ran a 5.16 (comparable to BJ Raji). Of course there's a reason he's a UDFA and not a top 1st round pick.

idymoe

02-25-2009, 08:36 AM

Don't forget the extra 4th round pick from Minn. It's supposed to be a done deal.

Roy P

02-25-2009, 11:06 AM

Don't forget the extra 4th round pick from Minn. It's supposed to be a done deal.

Well, I'm still shuffling my deck and discarding players. I'm down to my 70 players. Also, I want to see how the Combine effects the drafttek Mock. They should have a new one up sometime today (Wednesday). Then I'll put in the extra Sage pick and maybe even a potential Jacoby Jones pick (I'll guess 5th round).

idymoe

02-25-2009, 12:56 PM

Roy P

02-25-2009, 05:58 PM

I don't think he is on your list, but what do you think about Mike Wallace. I like him in the late rounds, especially if they get rid of JJ. He did well in the Senior Bowl and ran really fast at the combine. Watching him run the gauntlet, it seemed his head barely moved vertically at all.

I think Wallace is similar to Mike Thomas in terms of atheticism. Thomas however has better WR skills - getting separation off the line, route running, hands, etc. I think Wallace is similar to Jerome Mathis - he's just fast.

idymoe

02-25-2009, 07:00 PM

You have Thomas in with your 3rd rounders. Wallace could last until the 6th or 7th round. I think at this point, Draftek has him undrafted, although that surely will change after the combine. Thomas is not quite 5'8" while Wallace is over 6'. If you don't pick up Thomas early, I think Wallace could be a good value late.

Roy P

02-25-2009, 09:03 PM

You have Thomas in with your 3rd rounders. Wallace could last until the 6th or 7th round.

If I were to guess, Wallace gets picked in the 4th or 5th because of his 40 time. I'm also trying to make my list as stream-lined as possible. There's several players who may be "good value" in the 6th or 7th rounds. I think I have enough of those on my list to not be adding to it. Some times, less is more. :)

idymoe

02-25-2009, 11:29 PM

There are guys I like better in the 4th and 5th, and if Jacoby doesn't leave, I would rather not draft a wr.

Roy P

02-26-2009, 10:08 PM

I'm now down to 70 players!

Here they are for your amusement.

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.56
2 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.73
3 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.40
4 WR Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6'1" 214 4.54
5 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.13
6 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.70
7 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.49
8 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.67
9 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
10 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.51
11 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 10 5/8" 217 4.61

12 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.64
13 WR Percy Harvin Florida 5' 11" 195 4.41
14 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
15 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.89
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.80
17 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.78
18 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.84
19 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 207 4.53
20 TE Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6' 6" 260 4.82
21 DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech 6' 6 7/8" 266 4.75
22 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.53
23 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 305 5.24
24 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 304 5.16
25 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
26 TE Jared Cook S. Carolina 6' 5" 240 4.50

27 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.49
28 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
29 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.01
30 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.61
31 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 195 4.49
32 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.46
33 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.62
34 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 238 4.56
35 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 187 4.40

36 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.47
37 LB Darry Beckwith LSU 6' 0 3/8" 242 4.70
38 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1" 221 4.51
39 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 210 4.45
40 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 297 5.14
41 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 DNP
42 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.18
43 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.50
44 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.41
45 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 296 4.99
46 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.07
47 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.87
48 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.66
49 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.58
50 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.46
51 DT Vance Walker Ga Tech 6' 2" 295 5.26

52 DE Derek Walker Illinois 6' 3" 270 4.79
53 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.52
54 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.50
55 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.77
56 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.77
57 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 DNP

58 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.24
59 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243 4.74
60 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 310 5.02
61 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
62 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.52
63 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.01
64 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.84
65 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 3" 262 4.84
66 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 241 4.84

67 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
68 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 212 4.59
69 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.18
70 RB Herb Donaldson W. Illinois 5' 10" 222 4.59

Roy P

03-06-2009, 10:01 PM

As the March Madness buzz is starting up, I've decided that 64 is the magic number. Here they are with the fat trimmed.

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.40
4 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
5 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
6 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
8 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.48
9 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.78
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
11 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
12 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
14 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
15 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
17 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
19 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
20 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
21 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
22 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
23 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
24 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
25 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1" 221 4.45
26 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
27 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
29 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
30 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
31 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
32 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
33 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
34 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St 6' 5" 309 4.99
35 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96
36 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
38 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.03
39 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
40 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
41 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.58
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
43 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76
45 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
46 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
47 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99
48 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.21
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
50 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
51 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 312 4.95
52 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
54 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
56 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
57 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
58 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 2" 262 4.84
59 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
60 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia 6' 1" 196 4.38
61 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
62 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
63 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 216 4.55
64 QB David Johnson Tulsa 6' 2" 217 4.76

mussop

03-06-2009, 11:05 PM

Roy P

03-07-2009, 09:57 AM

Is this youre Texans big board? How do you place a round value on these guys?

Yes.

Whoever the top player is in the round I'm drafting in will be their round value.

dalemurphy

03-07-2009, 10:52 AM

Yes.

Whoever the top player is in the round I'm drafting in will be their round value.

Roy, You don't have Unger on the list. If that wasn't an oversight, can you explain what you don't like about him? I really like him from the limited stuff I've seen. I think he can be an Eric Steinbach type player- in regards to his versatility... I think he played all 5 OL positions during his career.

Roy P

03-07-2009, 02:42 PM

Roy, You don't have Unger on the list. If that wasn't an oversight, can you explain what you don't like about him?

I like him. He's probably a 2nd round pick before we even get to our pick. I don't like him so much that I would trade up for him. His Combine numbers are not consistent with a ZBS guy. I like Eric Wood and Alex Mack just as much if not more and can probably get them later on in the draft.

My list has quite a bit of variables that I don't have the time to go through. A part of it has to do with probability that a player will be available compared to players I have around him. Some people call that "value" or whatever. In my estimate, Unger is currently overvalued.

mussop

03-08-2009, 01:34 AM

I like him. He's probably a 2nd round pick before we even get to our pick. I don't like him so much that I would trade up for him. His Combine numbers are not consistent with a ZBS guy. I like Eric Wood and Alex Mack just as much if not more and can probably get them later on in the draft.

My list has quite a bit of variables that I don't have the time to go through. A part of it has to do with probability that a player will be available compared to players I have around him. Some people call that "value" or whatever. In my estimate, Unger is currently overvalued.

HIs numbers might not be wat YOU want but his play on the feild speaks volumes for his ability to play in a ZB scheme. Ill go on record right now and say if he is selected by a team that runs it he will be an allpro. He is the best second level blocker I have ever seen in college. The only thing he is lacking right now is strength. That can be fixed. If he does get stronger IMO he has a chance on being one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

Roy P

03-08-2009, 11:24 AM

HIs numbers might not be wat YOU want but his play on the feild speaks volumes for his ability to play in a ZB scheme.

IMO he has a chance on being one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

We all have opinions. I just think that Eric Wood will be better than Unger. Especially since I've seen mock drafts where Unger is drafted by the Steelers in the 1st round, I think Wood will be better value.

mussop

03-08-2009, 01:52 PM

We all have opinions. I just think that Eric Wood will be better than Unger. Especially since I've seen mock drafts where Unger is drafted by the Steelers in the 1st round, I think Wood will be better value.

I agree we all have opinions and I was just throwing mine out there. I wasnt trying to be a smart ass and act like you were wrong. Hope you didnt take it that way. :o

dalemurphy

03-08-2009, 11:06 PM

HIs numbers might not be wat YOU want but his play on the feild speaks volumes for his ability to play in a ZB scheme. Ill go on record right now and say if he is selected by a team that runs it he will be an allpro. He is the best second level blocker I have ever seen in college. The only thing he is lacking right now is strength. That can be fixed. If he does get stronger IMO he has a chance on being one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

I don't think his versatility should be discounted. First, I think it says a lot about his athletic ablity that he successful played LT and C in the same season. Also, I think it says a lot about his understanding of the game and his technical ability. Especially, though, with teams only dressing 7 linemen most games, he offers a flexibility that is almost invaluable, IMO

mussop

03-08-2009, 11:14 PM

I don't think his versatility should be discounted. First, I think it says a lot about his athletic ablity that he successful played LT and C in the same season. Also, I think it says a lot about his understanding of the game and his technical ability. Especially, though, with teams only dressing 7 linemen most games, he offers a flexibility that is almost invaluable, IMO

If he were available in the second round we will be making a big mistake not taking him. I stand by what I said earlier. He could end up one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

painekiller

03-09-2009, 01:47 AM

If he were available in the second round we will be making a big mistake not taking him. I stand by what I said earlier. He could end up one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

Which is why I predict him to be gone by the 33rd pick.

Roy P

03-09-2009, 10:56 AM

Which is why I predict him to be gone by the 33rd pick.

No disagreement here. Which is why he has come off my board. I'm not looking to trade down to get him nor would I trade up to get him. It is more a matter of where we are on the draft slots and where I see him coming off the board.

Nconroe

03-09-2009, 08:14 PM

Roy P

03-09-2009, 08:29 PM

Here is a dumb question, so, if a guy isn't on your list but he slips from where you thought he'd be, how do you know to draft him as excellent value. probably you have another list to protect against overlooking a great value.

Well, since I don't run the Texans, it doesn't really matter. This is my list to use on draft day so I can compare what I would have done compared to the Texans.

I don't have scouts all over the country and millions of dollars invested in research. Just a couple of web sites and my own peepers to determine who I'd want and when. After the draft, I can go back to this list and say "I told you so" when a guy I wanted outperforms the guy the Texans drafted.

I have no desire whatsoever of trying to rank over 300 players in terms of fit and need for the Texans. My point is to show that I can do more with less. There are plenty of websites that rank every college player. What I try to do is to simply distill all those choices into 50 or so players who would be a good addition to the Texans roster.

Undoubtedly, the Texans will most likely draft some players who are not My Guys. That's when I feel vindicated in complaining. Sometimes, they do pick one of my guys - Antwaun Molden, and I'm pleasantly surprised. I feel especially biased in hoping those players get on the field and make contributions.

So, if Unger just happens to be available at #45 and I draft William Moore instead, I think I can live with that. However, I seriously doubt that Unger lasts that long, so it's kind of a moot point.

Roy P

03-09-2009, 08:38 PM

A slight adjustment. I'll probably still end up drafting Matthews at #15, but he does drop a couple of slots. I've also removed McBath from Texas Tech as I try to consolidate a bit. Today's date is 3/9/09, just so I will know and not update at least until 3/16. I probably shuffle this thing at least 3 times a day.

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College
3 DE Brian Orakpo Texas
4 CB Vontae Davis Illinois
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St.
6 LB Clay Matthews USC
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss
8 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri
12 S William Moore Missouri
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville
14 OC Alex Mack California
15 DE Paul Kruger Utah
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee
17 S Patrick Chung Oregon
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn
19 RB Andre Brown NC State
20 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond
21 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss
22 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa
24 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
25 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss
26 WR Mike Thomas Arizona
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia
29 S Rashad Johnson Alabama
30 S David Bruton Notre Dame
31 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama
32 DT Alex Magee Purdue
33 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St
34 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia
35 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M
38 RB Glen Coffee Alabama
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
40 S C.J. Spillman Marshall
41 RB Ian Johnson Boise State
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue
43 LB Cody Brown Connecticut
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama
45 DT Roy Miller Texas
46 DT Dorell Scott Clemson
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan
48 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State
50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU
52 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.
54 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU
56 LB Victor Butler Oregon St
57 DE Will Davis Illinois
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska

Bold indicates where I'm guessing the rounds separate for those who care about that sort of thing.

Roy P

03-12-2009, 10:04 PM

If he were available in the second round we will be making a big mistake not taking him. I stand by what I said earlier. He could end up one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

After some consideration, I've decided to put Unger back on the list. Still think it's a moot point, but I think I really want him more than LeSean McCoy. Afterall, there are other RBs who may be available later in the draft, but not many versatile OL. So, to keep things concise, Unger will replace McCoy on the My Guys draft board on its next update. I also think I'll be adding another USC Trojan.

mussop

03-13-2009, 02:48 AM

These are my absolute favorite players in this draft.

BJ Raji DT
Clay Matthews OLB
Max Unger C
Donald Brown RB
Victor Harris CB
Darius Butler CB
Rashad Johnson S
T McKenzie OLB
Emanual Cook S
Jarron Gilbert DE
Gartrell Johnson RB
Pat White QB

If we come out of this draft with any 2 of these guys I will be happy happy happy.

nunusguy

03-13-2009, 07:34 AM

Roy P

03-13-2009, 04:41 PM

Refresh my memory if you would RP, this list of players (aka "my guys) is what exactly ?

It's my draft board for the Texans. If I were the GM and the draft were held today, that would be what I would use to draft players for the the team.

idymoe

03-13-2009, 05:17 PM

Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

1. Aaron Maybin

2. Paul Kruger

3. Chip Vaughn

4a. Lawrence Sidbury

4b. A.Q. Shipley

5. Kory Irvin

6. Ian Johnson

7. Stephen Hodge

Wow. Do you think that would help the defense any? :D

mussop

03-13-2009, 06:00 PM

Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

1. Aaron Maybin No thanks, he doesnt fit here.

2. Paul Kruger With only one kidney this is too high for him.

3. Chip Vaughn Now youre taliking.

4a. Lawrence Sidbury EH!

4b. A.Q. Shipley Bla

5. Kory Irvin Bla

6. Ian Johnson I jsut threw up in my mouth alittle.

7. Stephen Hodge Bla

Wow. Do you think that would help the defense any? :D

I dont think it would be a very good draft at all.

Roy P

03-13-2009, 07:21 PM

Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

Do you think that would help the defense any? :D

Well, I haven't updated my draftboard here, yet. However, I'll let you know that this is who I would be picking today on Friday the 13th. I've also included my "Athlete Index" just for kicks.

1. LB Clay Matthews 5.46
2. OC Eric Wood 5.00
3. S Chip Vaughn 5.42
4. DE Lawrence Sidbury 5.44
4. DE Kyle Moore 4.54
5. LB Scott McKillop 5.58
6. RB Ian Johnson 5.46
7. DT Roy Miller 5.31

Now, it appears that there is a little bit of trouble with this draft. Kyle Moore is new to my board and he has the lowest index of any of my draft picks. However, he has more potential than Robert Ayers, who is now a 1st round pick. He's also insurance in case Antonio Smith doesn't pan out. I felt weird drafting him after getting Sidbury, but he does offer something a little different.

Scott McKillop was also just too good to pass up at this point in the draft. He's probably going to be better at the MIKE, but with DeMeco here, I'll give him a shot at SAM. That makes Matthews the WILL.

I was hoping to get Cedric Peerman as my other RB in the 4th round instead of Kyle Moore, but he was off the board. Luckily, I was still able to get Ian Johnson to help out in the backfield. Another thought for the 4th round was to draft David Bruton instead of Sidbury to go along with Chip Vaughn in the Secondary. Then I'd only have 1 DE (Moore) in the draft to go along with a SS and a FS.

Lastly, Roy Miller might motivate Frank Okam to go to law school or start performing on the football field.

idymoe

03-13-2009, 08:21 PM

Yours is heavy defense, as well. I know there is duplication of positions in my draft and yours. I think in an actual draft, if you went that many picks defense or offense and got 2 above average players right away, another that turned into above average in a few years and a couple of guys that could provide decent depth and play some special teams, that would be a successful draft.

Roy P

03-13-2009, 09:08 PM

I have to say that I am very intrigued by Vontae Davis. The only reason I have Clay Matthews slotted ahead of him is because I am of the belief that I can find another player to put at FS later in the draft. The Texans appear to like both the SS and the FS to be very similar in their ability to stop the run to disguise who may be in the box. However, the thought of Vaughn and Davis makes me a happy guy.

The history of Vernon Davis and Jason Allen also gives me pause. Vernon, like his brother, put on a hellacious showing at the Combine. However, he has not put up the production that I would have expected. That may have something to do with the team and coaches he's been playing with, but I must put some of the responsibility on him. Jason Allen was another CB who was selected highly (16th) and expected to play FS without much results.

For those who do not remember Allen's numbers:

4.39 - 40, 1.5 - 10, 17 - Reps, 39.5" - Vert, 10'11" - Jump, 3.83 - Shuttle, 6.77 - Cone

Davis put up:
4.40 - 40, 1.47 - 10, 25 - Reps, 36" - Vert, 10' 5" - Jump, 4.07 - Shuttle, 6.75 - Cone

Now, it's not really fair to compare Vontae to his brother or even another athletic DB. However, it's in the back of my mind and pulling me towards Matthews.

Clay is not a bad athlete, to say the least;

4.62 - 40, 35.5" - Vert, 10'1" - Jump, 6.9 - Cone

But last year, Cliff Avril was the 3rd round pick (92) after his Combine:

4.59 - 40, 32.5" - Vert, 9'9" - Jump, 6.9 - Cone

So, I'm not quite sure if Clay is 77 picks better. However, this is a different draft. Clay is probably better in space and may be able to play the WILL, where Avril was simply a SAM/DE hybrid. Also, there aren't many LBs in THIS draft who come close to offering what Mathews does in terms of size, speed, and pass-rushing ability. Conversely, I can get a player like David Bruton or Chris Clemons on the 2nd day of the draft who may be able to match Vontae Davis's athleticism. Obviously, they aren't considered to be in the same level by the "experts" because of what they did and didn't do on the field in college. Nor are they possible lockdown CBs, which is considered the more valuable position by many.

As many of you know, I'm aware that football is more than just numbers at the Combine. However, I think that they must be considered in order to keep evaluators objective.

Roy P

03-13-2009, 09:43 PM

4. DE Kyle Moore 4.54

Kyle Moore is new to my board and he has the lowest index of any of my draft picks. However, he has more potential that Robert Ayers, who is now a 1st round pick.

Just to finish this thought. The Texans were supposedly interested in Mike Montgomery of the Packers, so Kyle Moore isn't a crazy idea.

I also thought I'd compare Moore, Ayers, and Kruger.

Name------School---Height---Weight---40---Reps---Vert---20---10---Jump---3-Cone---Shuttle---Explosion---Quickness---Athlete
Paul Kruger-Utah-6' 4 1/4"---263lbs---4.83----24----32.5--2.76--1.6----9-----7.52-------4.47------65.5--------13.59----4.82
Robert Ayers-Tenn-6' 3 1/8"-272lbs---4.77----18----29.5--2.78--1.66---8.5----7.58------4.51------56----------13.75----4.07
Kyle Moore--USC--6' 5"-----272lbs----4.81----22----30.5--280--1.62---8.75---7.4-------4.47-------61.25------13.49----4.54

jppaul

03-14-2009, 12:36 AM

It's my draft board for the Texans. If I were the GM and the draft were held today, that would be what I would use to draft players for the the team.

Just out of curiousity, no overtones intended, how has the board done in past drafts.

painekiller

03-14-2009, 12:49 AM

Roy P

03-14-2009, 09:06 AM

Just out of curiousity, no overtones intended, how has the board done in past drafts.

It's met or exceeded the S&P 500 over the last 5 year average. :D

To tell you the truth, I can't recall every pick. The HPF.com site is no longer and that is where I had all of my boards. Just going with the 1st round picks, I would have gone with these....

2004 : DE Will Smith
2005 : WR Mark Clayton
2006 : LB AJ Hawk
2007 : LB Patrick Willis
2008 : CB Antoine Cason

Keith

03-14-2009, 10:41 AM

I think the question is more about Roy's board, but on the old site, at least for the first 4 or 5 drafts, I kept a pretty short board of picks up through the Texans first round selection which I still have archived.

2002 - LT Bryant McKinnie (Carr was pre-determined by January... I had Peppers and McKinnie at the top, slight edge to McKinnie since JP didn't seem like a good fit for the 3-4)
2003 - WR Charles Rogers (WR Angry Dre was next)
2004 - DE Will Smith (Dunta was next)
2005 - LB Derrick Johnson (before the trade-down at least ...Travis Johnson was my highest rated DT/34DE for awhile before the draft)
2006 - DE Mario Williams (I was down on Reggie but expected Texans to take him.)
2007 - didn't officially commit a list, or can't recall one. It probably would have come down to LB Patrick Willis and CBs Leon Hall and Darrelle Revis. My mock nearly won the overall ESPN.com contest though... would have won a Hummer if I predicted the Okoye pick!!! Ugh.
2008 - didn't officially commit a list (was building ItB!). Once the majority of the LTs were gone though, I had my eye on RB Rashard Mendenhall

There were obviously players I liked more that were taken before the Texans were on the clock, and there was a draft or two in which I might have considered a trade up.

idymoe

03-14-2009, 11:08 AM

Just a small commercial for Ian Johnson, he was a top 5 RB in the forty at the combine. He has been nothing short of a TD machine in his college career. He also is a team player.

If you can get a RB who broke Marshall Faulk college TD record in the 6th round, you have to take a shot on him IMO.

In addition to that, he is a very hard worker, great in the locker room and will play special teams. You might say he's a tough player, too. He finished one game with a bruised kidney and another with a partially collapsed lung.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/boisestatefootball/story/189481.html

painekiller

03-14-2009, 12:41 PM

In addition to that, he is a very hard worker, great in the locker room and will play special teams. You might say he's a tough player, too. He finished one game with a bruised kidney and another with a partially collapsed lung.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/boisestatefootball/story/189481.html

I forget he is in your backyard, you sold me on him a month or so back.

Now I am not saying go for him in the 1st, but he seems to be deep on most "guru's " RB list. That has the potential to make a guy with his attributes a steal.

jppaul

03-14-2009, 02:49 PM

dalemurphy

03-14-2009, 03:22 PM

Funny looking back at it though. 2006, I like Hawk but there is no way I would advocate using the first round on a linebacker, but I was pissed that we didn't take Reggie Bush. I would still eventually like to see what he could do in a Denver style offense.

About 30% less than Steve Slaton.

Roy P

03-14-2009, 07:11 PM

March 14th update. Happy Steak and BJ day to everyone.

1 LB Aaron Curry
2 DT B.J. Raji
3 LB Clay Matthews
4 CB Vontae Davis
5 DE Brian Orakpo
6 DE Everette Brown
7 DT Ziggy Hood
8 DE Aaron Maybin
9 RB Donald Brown
10 DT Peria Jerry
11 OC Eric Wood
12 S William Moore
13 OC Max Unger
14 OC Alex Mack
15 S Chip Vaughn
16 DE Paul Kruger
17 DE Robert Ayers
18 S Patrick Chung
19 DT Sen'Derrick Marks
20 DE Lawrence Sidbury
21 RB Cedric Peerman
22 RB Andre Brown
23 RB Rashad Jennings
24 LB Gerald McGrath
25 RB Shonn Greene
26 TE Shawn Nelson
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe
28 S David Bruton
29 WR Mike Thomas
30 S Chris Clemons
31 S Rashad Johnson
32 DE Kyle Moore
33 OC A.Q. Shipley
34 LB Scott McKillop
35 LB Cody Brown
36 DT Alex Magee
37 OC Antoine Caldwell
38 DT Corvey Irvin
39 OG Gerald Cadogan
40 RB Ian Johnson
41 RB Glen Coffee
42 QB Stephen McGee
43 LB Lee Robinson
44 RB Kory Sheets
45 S C.J. Spillman
46 QB John Parker Wilson
47 DT Roy Miller
48 DT Terrence Taylor
49 DT Dorell Scott
50 WR Kevin Ogletree
51 DE Stryker Sulak
52 WR Demetrius Byrd
53 RB Javarris Williams
54 LB Stephen Hodge
55 LB Victor Butler
56 DE Will Davis
57 S Keith Fitzhugh
58 DT Ra'Shon Harris
59 DT Myron Pryor
60 DT Terrence Knighton
61 DE Pierre Walters
62 QB David Johnson
63 RB Marlon Lucky

painekiller

03-14-2009, 07:50 PM

About 30% less than Steve Slaton.

If we had positive reps you would have earned one there.

James

03-15-2009, 02:03 AM

March 14th update. Happy Steak and BJ day to everyone.

You must be a restaurant man Roy . . .it was an interesting night asking my guests if they were celebrating anything.

Roy P

03-21-2009, 10:56 AM

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
4 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
5 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.78
8 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
10 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98

11 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
12 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
13 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
14 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
15 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
16 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
17 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
18 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
19 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00

20 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
21 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
22 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
23 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
24 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
25 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65

26 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
28 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
29 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
30 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
31 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
32 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
33 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81

34 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
35 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
37 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
38 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96
39 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St 6' 5 1/8" 309 4.99

40 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
41 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
43 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
44 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
45 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76
46 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.21
48 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 312 4.95
49 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia 6' 1" 196 4.38

50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
52 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
53 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
54 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 2" 262 4.84
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
56 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
57 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa 6' 2" 217 4.76
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 216 4.55

Roy P

03-22-2009, 04:03 PM

I have no desire whatsoever of trying to rank over 300 players in terms of fit and need for the Texans.

What I try to do is to simply distill all those choices into 50 or so players who would be a good addition to the Texans roster.

It appears that I've found a kindred spirit. Please take a look at this guy's web site.

http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.com/

"The goal of ProFootballDraftNetwork.com is to cut through the clutter and identify in detail the draft’s impact players, top values (where a team really succeeds on draft day) and biggest risks."

"We will not be presenting to you 400 or 500 scouting reports. Instead, prospects are filtered out that are evaluated to be unlikely to make an NFL team or who will essentially have a cup of coffee in the league as a mediocre reserve. Our draft board will be whittled down as the season progresses and fans can view our final draft board and detailed scouting reports on approximately 90 prospects. The final draft board reveals the prospects rated to be future productive starters, strong contributors on special teams and those who should provide quality depth."

Denis Krusos
Editor

Bigtinylittle

03-22-2009, 05:40 PM

It appears that I've found a kindred spirit. Please take a look at this guy's web site.

http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.com/

"The goal of ProFootballDraftNetwork.com is to cut through the clutter and identify in detail the draft’s impact players, top values (where a team really succeeds on draft day) and biggest risks."

"We will not be presenting to you 400 or 500 scouting reports. Instead, prospects are filtered out that are evaluated to be unlikely to make an NFL team or who will essentially have a cup of coffee in the league as a mediocre reserve. Our draft board will be whittled down as the season progresses and fans can view our final draft board and detailed scouting reports on approximately 90 prospects. The final draft board reveals the prospects rated to be future productive starters, strong contributors on special teams and those who should provide quality depth."

Denis Krusos
Editor

I checked out that cite and I liked it. Two quotes I especially liked:

"The best way to stop today’s pass-friendly NFL offenses is to put the quarterback on his back."

"... the name of the game for the defense is rushing the quarterback. The offense typically wins if the quarterback has time to throw and protecting the blindside is crucial."

One thing I disagree with him about, though, is his listing of Bomar as a value pick. It appears to me that he hasn't actually seen Bomar play any games. Bomar looks great on paper or even in practuce, but put eleven defensive players in front of him and he quickly melts down. If he ever becomes a solid NFL starter I will be greatly surprised.

Roy P

03-28-2009, 02:02 PM

Okay, this is the last board for March and I've added some CB's. I really like Clay Matthews, but I just can't pull the trigger if Jeremy Maclin is on the board. If Maclin and my other 1st round picks are available, I'm looking to trade down as far as #20 and take the BPA.

1st round talent
1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
4 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
5 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
9 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
10 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40

2nd round
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
12 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
13 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62
14 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
15 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
16 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
17 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
18 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
19 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77

3rd round
20 SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
21 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
22 SS Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
23 OT Jamon Meredith South Carolina 6' 5" 304 4.99
24 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
25 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
26 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
27 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
28 FS Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
29 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
30 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
31 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
32 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
33 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63

4th round
34 TE Cornelius Ingram Florida 6' 4" 245 4.68
35 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
36 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
37 FS David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
38 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 1" 195 4.47
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
40 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
41 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
42 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
43 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
44 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96

5th round
45 FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
46 FS C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
47 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
48 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76

6th round
49 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
50 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
51 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
52 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35

7th round
53 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
54 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
55 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
56 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
57 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
58 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
59 SS Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
61 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
62 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
63 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78

jppaul

03-28-2009, 08:58 PM

After looking around I am not so sure that Everrette isn't around with the 15th pick.

Roy P

03-28-2009, 10:25 PM

After looking around I am not so sure that Everrette isn't around with the 15th pick.

Not to sound like an English teacher, but that's a double negative. Are you saying that you believe Everette Brown will be available at #15? Or are you saying that he will be off the board by #15?

Roy P

04-04-2009, 07:39 PM

Well the rumors about Cushing and Matthews have been refuted. However, Raji's camp has been quiet about any letter they may or may have not received from the NFL testing office. I already had some questions about Raji, so I'm sliding him down my board, but not off the board just yet. I also did a mock where Everette Brown slid to us, so that may make me less likely to trade up. Anway, here is my latest revision after basically selecting an all offense draft at WalterFootball.

1st rounders
1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
4 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
5 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
6 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
7 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
8 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
9 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
10 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
12 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62

2nd Round
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
14 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17
15 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
16 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
17 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
18 FS William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
19 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
20 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47

3rd Round
21 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
22 SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
23 SS Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
24 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
25 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.55
26 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
27 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
28 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
29 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47
30 FS Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
31 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
32 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35

4th Round
33 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
34 FS David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
35 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
36 FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
37 TE Cornelius Ingram Florida 6' 4" 245 4.68
38 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
39 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
40 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81

5th Round
41 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3 1/8" 302 4.99
42 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
43 FS C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
44 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
45 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51

6th Round
46 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
47 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
48 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 1 3/4" 215 4.76
49 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
50 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
51 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2 1/8" 239 4.72

7th Round
52 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
53 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
54 SS Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
55 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
56 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
57 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
58 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
59 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78

Roy P

04-11-2009, 06:17 PM

Ok, Connor Barwin makes the list.

1 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
2 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
3 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
4 DE Connor Barwin Cincinnatti 6' 4" 256 4.59
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
6 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
8 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
9 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
10 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
11 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
11 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88

14 FS William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
15 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
16 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17
17 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
19 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
20 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
21 SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
22 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
23 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58

24 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.55
25 SS Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
26 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
27 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
28 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47
29 DE Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 256 4.75
30 FS Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
31 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
32 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
33 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
34 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
35 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
36 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39

37 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
38 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
39 FS David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
40 FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
41 TE Cornelius Ingram Florida 6' 4" 245 4.68
42 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
43 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3 1/8" 302 4.99
44 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
45 FS C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
46 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19

47 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
48 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
49 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 1 3/4" 215 4.76
50 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
51 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
52 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42

53 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2 1/8" 239 4.72
54 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
55 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
56 SS Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
57 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
59 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
61 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
62 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78

Roy P

04-11-2009, 07:10 PM

11 April 2009 - Bold indicates that they made Lance Zierlein's draft board.

1 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
2 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
3 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
4 DE Connor Barwin Cincinnatti 6' 4" 256 4.59
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
6 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
8 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
9 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
10 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
11 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
11 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88

14 FS William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
15 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
16 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17
17 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
19 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
20 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
21 SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
22 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
23 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58

24 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.55
25 SS Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
26 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
27 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
28 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47
29 DE Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 256 4.75
30 FS Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
31 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
32 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
33 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
34 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
35 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
36 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39

37 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
38 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
39 FS David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
40 FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
41 TE Cornelius Ingram Florida 6' 4" 245 4.68
42 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
43 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3 1/8" 302 4.99
44 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
45 FS C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
46 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19

47 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
48 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
49 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 1 3/4" 215 4.76
50 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
51 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
52 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42

53 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2 1/8" 239 4.72
54 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
55 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
56 SS Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
57 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
59 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
61 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
62 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78

I'm sorry I thought I was editing, but it turned out that I was replying to my post. Basically, I wanted to show that LZ and I are at least in agreement as to who should be on the draft board, while we may differ in which round we should be looking at a player.

Roy P

04-18-2009, 11:04 AM

Okay I watched some more Connor Barwin and came off him a bit. The athleticism is there, but he's a bit raw pass-rushing and against the run, so he slides a bit. I've also included some more players on the back end of the draft who may be UDFAs in case I don't draft one.

1 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
2 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
4 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
5 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
6 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
7 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
8 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
10 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
12 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62
13 DE Connor Barwin Cincinnatti 6' 4" 256 4.59

14 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
15 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
16 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17
17 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
18 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
19 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.55
20 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
21 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
22 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
23 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49

24 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
25 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
26 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
27 DE Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 256 4.75
28 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
29 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
30 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47
31 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
32 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
33 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
34 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
35 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35

36 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
37 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
38 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3 1/8" 302 4.99
39 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
40 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
41 TE Cornelius Ingram Florida 6' 4" 245 4.68
42 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
43 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
44 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
45 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
46 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45

47 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
48 TE John Phillips Virginia 6' 6" 251 4.78
49 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 1 3/4" 215 4.76
50 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
51 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
52 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
53 OT Lydon Murtha Nebraska 6' 7" 306 4.82
54 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
55 OG Anthony Parker Tennessee 6' 1 3/4" 290 5.09
56 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2 1/8" 239 4.72

57 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
58 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
59 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
60 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
61 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
62 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
63 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
64 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.63
65 OC Blake Schlueter TCU 6' 2 3/8" 290 4.70
66 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
67 LB Robert Francois Boston College 6' 2" 244 4.58
68 LB Russell Allen San Diego St. 6' 3" 230 4.63
69 LB Brad Jones Colorado 6' 3" 232 4.57

Keith

04-18-2009, 07:40 PM

35 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35

This is a guy I think we both agree on.

DraftGuys has a video of him from some all-star practice... I love Thomas' ability to make stop/starts and cuts in his routes.

http://blip.tv/play/AfbdJpOQAQ

Roy P

04-18-2009, 08:14 PM

This is a guy I think we both agree on.

DraftGuys has a video of him from some all-star practice... I love Thomas' ability to make stop/starts and cuts in his routes.

http://blip.tv/play/AfbdJpOQAQ

Yeah, he's a guy that I have slotted at the late third early 4th round pick. I really can't see that happening, but if he's the BPA, I'd have to take him.

Roy P

04-18-2009, 10:56 PM

Okay, I've moved some things around, but won't post my new draft board until the Eve of the draft. I'm sure I'll be updating some more before then anyway. However, I wanted to give some insight into what I'm thinking a week before the draft.

In the 1st round I want to make sure that I don't whiff. I always try to imagine who would I want to build my team around if I didn't have ANYBODY on my roster. That makes me more objective and more likely to take the BPA. I don't want to sign a guy who has the "potential" to be good in the 1st round, I'd rather have a player who has shown production at the college level as an indicator he'll be able to carry that forward. In addition, the idea of getting a prima donna or a thug as my 1st pick worries me that I'll be sending the wrong message to the rest of the team. My first pick has to be a guy who will be accepted as a leader by his teammates on the 1st day. My heart says Clay Matthews, but my head has 5 guys ahead of him.
DE Brian Orakpo
LB Aaron Curry
DE Everette Brown
DT B.J. Raji
WR Jeremy Maclin

I'm pretty sure that Orakpo and Curry are off the board before we pick. Raji slides because I never know what I'm going to get from him, but his talent is undeniable. Maclin is one of my favorite players because he can do so much. My eyes must be playing tricks on me because I keep seeing Everette Brown sliding down draft boards and mock drafts. I get the fact that his Cone and Shuttle times were not great, but they were about the same as "Mr. Senior Bowl" aka Robert Ayers. To me, Brown is not a 3/4 LB, but he'll be an awesome RDE in a 4-3 defense (which we run). Mario Williams is a prototypical LDE and E. Brown would be the perfect complement on the other side. I don't care how much we gave Antonio Smith, like I said, I treat my 1st round picks like I'm building the team around them.

The 2nd round has pretty good talent (as it normally does). There may be 1st round talent available here that just slid because of need. The OCs in the class are going to come off the board here -- Mack, Unger, & Wood. As most of you know, I like Wood the best, and I've seen him in a few mocks last until the 3rd round. That would be a steal in my opinion and also not very likely. Another option is to get a playmaking S for the Secondary. William Moore has more talent than Kenny Phillips or Brandon Merriweather, but will probably go in the 2nd round because he played with injuries. The question becomes, can he regain his Junior form, or was that the anomoly. I've heard rumors that Moore may fall to the 3rd or even 4th rounds, but I don't give them much credence. There are a couple of pass-rushing specialists who may be good for the team should we not be able to draft E.Brown in Paul Kruger or Clint Sintim. I just don't think we'll be going there. The 800lbs gorilla in the room is the fact that this team needs a 1a or 1b to go along with Steve Slaton. This draft may not have the depth at RB we all hope for so that we can wait until the 3rd or 4th round to get that accessory for the backfield. I don't know if we want to trade up for Knowshon Moreno or Donald Brown or simply "reach" for Andre Brown or Shonn Greene. Perhaps we wait until one gets drafted and then immediately begin making calls to trade up to get the other. If the Giants take Greene at #60, then I'm calling Indy to see what I have to do to move up to #61 to get Brown.

The 3rd round is like a paradise of riches. I just don't get why so many players that I love are sitting here waiting for a phone call. This is now the 2nd day of the draft, people. I'm getting the feeling if I don't have a pass-rush specialist after this round, then I'm not going to be getting one who has a real shot of making an impact. Cody Brown and Lawrence Sidbury are the two players who could fill this vital need. However, if I haven't gotten an enforcer at S with William Moore, then Chip Vaughn and Patrick Chung have to be on my radar. In my perfect world, I get Moore and Vaughn to man the Secondary. Speaking of the Secondary, the thought of seeing DeMarcus Faggins wearing a Texans uniform in 2009 makes me a little nauseaus. If I were to be able to draft Asher Allen and/or Keenan Lewis, I'd breathe a little easier. Did I mention that I'd love to get a LB or two in this round? Marcus Freeman may be off the board like Sintim, but Dannell Ellerbe and Gerald McGrath would be perfect for my defense. That's assuming I didn't have to take Clay in the 1st round.

Roy P

04-18-2009, 11:25 PM

Cont'd

The problem of course is that I may have to forego selecting ANYBODY in the 3rd round because I had to trade up for a RB. That would really suck because I want like 6 picks in the 3rd round!

Anyway, as I go into the 4th round I'm looking at talent. While I don't need Mike Thomas at WR or TE Shawn Nelson, I simply can't allow another team to steal them. If they are off the board, then I can forcus. The Secondary may have not been addressed by this point so maybe I get a gift of Asher Allen or Keenan Lewis at #112. Maybe the S positions have not been filled by Moore or Vaughn, so I'll look for Rashad Johnson, David Bruton, or Chris Clemons here. If I have not been able to acquire a pass-rusher by this point, then Kyle Moore should be coming my way. The LB corps might need another body, so Scott McKillop would be a target. If the OL hasn't had an addition of Wood or Unger, then perhaps Caldwell or Shipley might be prudent. If for some reason I have garnered an extra pick and want to indulge, I would take QB Stephen Mcgee to groom.

Now things get a little hectic. The 5th round is all about BPA vs. Need. There is going to be some guy who we all believe should have been drafted a lot earlier still sitting on the draft board. We start wondering what do other teams know that we don't. Maybe we should pass on him too. FS Chris Clemons is currently ranked #129 by DraftScout.com but DraftTek has him drafted #156 by Dallas. We have #152 in the 5th round and I'm hopeful DT Roy Miller is available. Another guy I want is TE John Phillips as the 'blocking' TE (DTek has him drafted #168 and ranked #194 by DScout). Remember that I wanted Dannel Ellerbe in the 3rd round? DScout has Ellerbe ranked #149 and DTek has him being drafted #98 by Cincinnati. Now you begin to wonder if he passed the drug screen. The offense doesn't really need another WR, but 6' 0" 200lbs guys who run 4.35 are hard to pass on. Demetrius Byrd could be a good project to take on if Kevin Walter wants "big money" after being productive in our offense. We also might want to get a player to replace Ephraim Salaam, so Lydon Murtha makes sense. 300lbs and 6' 7" who runs a 4.82 is uncommon.

Then there is the unfinished business of the 6th and 7th rounds. If we were not successful in getting another RB earlier in the draft, then we have to take Javarris Williams. Need trumps BPA in the 6th round. Whatever needs we were not able to address earlier have to be taken care of now! DE, LB, CB, SS, OL, DT, whatever we haven't gotten, we need to get. Who knows if we'll win the battles of UDFA after the draft is over.

nunusguy

04-19-2009, 09:35 AM

"DE Brian Orakpo
LB Aaron Curry
DE Everette Brown
DT B.J. Raji
WR Jeremy Maclin"
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OK RP I like your list of the most likely candidates the Texans might take at 15, but I now think the biggest wildcard in this Draft for us could very easily be D-Rob. How surprising will it be if we hear about a trade, maybe even on Draft day, involving him ?
Anyway don't you think you should add your top-rated corner among Jenkins, Davis, Smith, and Butler to your list ?

kRocket

04-19-2009, 10:53 AM

IMO you can throw Owen Daniels and Demeco Ryans into that batch of possible draft day trades. They all want top dollar and we can't afford them all. Drob, OD, and Ryans are all worth a first +other pick. This is a good year to trade TE's and MLB's cause you can draft a new one right away. One of the other Texan sites indicates that Buffalo is eying OD seriously. This is definitely a rumor though!

Roy P

04-19-2009, 12:39 PM

If I trade Dunta, I'll replace his position with either Asher Allen or Keenan Lewis. If we trade Owen Daniels, I'll draft Shawn Nelson. If DeMeco gets dealt, I'll replace him with Scott McKillop.

I realize that draft picks don't always pan out and we are talking about very good pros who have proven themselves. However, if we can't negotiate with the players we have, then we have to move on. Take a look at how the Steelers, Eagles, Patriots, and other successful franchises deal with their Free Agents or hold outs. Either you want to be here and get a fair deal, or you want to leave and get the most money you can get.

Roy P

04-19-2009, 12:42 PM

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Anyway don't you think you should add your top-rated corner among Jenkins, Davis, Smith, and Butler to your list ?

I have Davis on my list, he's just below Clay Matthews. I don't have a real interest in any of the other guys you list. Perhaps Alphonso Smith, but he's not going to last until the 3rd round, where I'd draft him.

Roy P

04-21-2009, 10:16 PM

Okay fellas, you can now hit the print button ;)

I believe I've analyzed this thing to death and I'm putting a bow on it. I think that Maclin is going to be a Raider and praying that Everette Brown is a Texan. Worst case scenario in my estimation is that Clay Matthews plays here in Houston. I've had some "sleepers" in my opinion like Chip Vaughn, Scott McKillop, Asher Allen, Kyle Moore, AQ Shipley, Roy Miller, and C.J. Spillman that I don't feel comfortable hoping that they are going to drop like I've seen in mock drafts. Therefore, they will be ranked higher on my board than what you most likely will see elsewhere. I realize that RB is a priority to spell Slaton, but I will not be reaching for Brown or Jennings. Maybe they will fall to where I'm comfortable taking them. If for some reason we trade out of #15 and Matthews gets stolen in front of us (i.e. Derrick Johnson), then I'm taking the disruptive DL who makes plays in the backfield. I don't know why Vontae Davis is dropping like a rock, but I'd imagine that there is something that "insiders" know about his background that I don't. I also put Knowshon Moreno ahead of Brown eventhough, I like Brown better as a "feature" back. The reason I choose Moreno is because he is a better complement to Slaton and has more power for short yardage. After much debate, William Moore goes ahead of the 2nd round OCs because I'm not certain that Vaughn is going to be there at #77 and you know about "the bird in the hand..." thing. Also, I'm putting a lot of faith in Shipley. Anyway, here it is.

1 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
2 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
4 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
5 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
9 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
10 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
11 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
12 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62

13 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
14 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
15 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17
16 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
17 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
19 DE Connor Barwin Cincinnatti 6' 4" 256 4.59
20 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
21 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
22 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
23 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
24 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
25 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.55

26 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
27 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47
28 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
29 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
30 DE Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 256 4.75
31 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
32 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
33 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
34 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52

35 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
36 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
37 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
38 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
39 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3 1/8" 302 4.99
40 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
41 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
42 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
43 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
44 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
45 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21

46 TE John Phillips Virginia 6' 6" 251 4.78
47 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 1 3/4" 215 4.76
48 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
49 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
50 OT Lydon Murtha Nebraska 6' 7" 306 4.82
51 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
52 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
53 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
54 OG Anthony Parker Tennessee 6' 1 3/4" 290 5.09
55 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2 1/8" 239 4.72

56 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
57 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
58 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
59 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99

61 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.63
62 OC Blake Schlueter TCU 6' 2 3/8" 290 4.70
63 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
64 LB Robert Francois Boston College 6' 2" 244 4.58
65 LB Russell Allen San Diego St. 6' 3" 230 4.63
66 LB Brad Jones Colorado 6' 3" 232 4.57
67 LB Mike Rivera Kansas 6' 3" 254 4.63

okay - I moved Shipley and Irvin.

Roy P

04-24-2009, 10:14 PM

Man, I just can't leave things alone. There is talk about Curry dropping, so he's a guy I may move up to get at 11. Therefore, he goes back up to the top of my board. I'm also putting more stock on Shonn Greene than Andre Brown - there's a Parcell's/Curtis Martin story there. Roy Miller blew me away with his Combine, so I'm a believer. More folks are buying into Eric Wood, so he slides ahead of William Moore on the board. I still don't care what people are saying about Everette Brown, I want him opposite of Mario Williams. Lastly, Raji's talent has won me over, so he goes ahead of home town favorite, Clay Matthews.

1st Round
1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
4 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
5 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
9 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
10 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
11 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
12 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62

2nd round
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
14 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
15 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17
16 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
17 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
19 DE Connor Barwin Cincinnatti 6' 4" 256 4.59
20 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
21 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
22 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.55
24 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
25 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
26 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
27 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57

3rd round
28 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
29 DE Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 256 4.75
30 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47
31 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
32 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
33 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49

4th round
34 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
35 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
36 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
37 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
38 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
39 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
40 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61

5th round
41 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
42 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3 1/8" 302 4.99
43 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
44 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
45 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45

6th round
46 TE John Phillips Virginia 6' 6" 251 4.78
47 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 1 3/4" 215 4.76
48 OT Lydon Murtha Nebraska 6' 7" 306 4.82
49 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
50 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
51 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
52 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
53 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08

7th round
54 OG Anthony Parker Tennessee 6' 1 3/4" 290 5.09
55 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2 1/8" 239 4.72
56 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
57 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
58 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
59 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
61 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.63

FAs
62 OC Blake Schlueter TCU 6' 2 3/8" 290 4.70
63 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
64 LB Robert Francois Boston College 6' 2" 244 4.58
65 LB Russell Allen San Diego St. 6' 3" 230 4.63
66 LB Brad Jones Colorado 6' 3" 232 4.57
67 LB Mike Rivera Kansas 6' 3" 254 4.63

Keith

04-24-2009, 10:33 PM

Roy, that's a fine looking board. I usually have my own set of opinions on prospects, but that's one I'd go with.

btw... Vinny sent me a link to an impressive draft spreadsheet loaded with like 900 prospects, including their average rankings from leading draft sites and their combine/pro day numbers. Pretty cool reference for tomorrow if anyone wants one.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1168466#post1168466

dalemurphy

04-25-2009, 01:16 AM

1st Round
1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
4 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
5 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98more undersized DTs?
9 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
10 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
11 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
12 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62

2nd round
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
14 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
15 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17
16 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
17 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
18 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
19 DE Connor Barwin Cincinnatti 6' 4" 256 4.59
20 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83- stiff and unathletic!
21 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
22 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.55
24 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
25 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
26 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
27 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57

3rd round
28 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
29 DE Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 256 4.75
30 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 0 3/4" 195 4.47
31 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
32 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
33 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49

4th round
34 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
35 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
36 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
37 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
38 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
39 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
40 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61

5th round
41 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19- he can't pick his own nose his arms are so short!
42 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3 1/8" 302 4.99
43 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
44 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
45 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45

6th round
46 TE John Phillips Virginia 6' 6" 251 4.78
47 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 1 3/4" 215 4.76
48 OT Lydon Murtha Nebraska 6' 7" 306 4.82
49 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
50 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
51 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
52 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
53 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08

7th round
54 OG Anthony Parker Tennessee 6' 1 3/4" 290 5.09
55 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2 1/8" 239 4.72
56 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
57 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
58 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
59 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
61 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.63

FAs
62 OC Blake Schlueter TCU 6' 2 3/8" 290 4.70
63 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
64 LB Robert Francois Boston College 6' 2" 244 4.58
65 LB Russell Allen San Diego St. 6' 3" 230 4.63
66 LB Brad Jones Colorado 6' 3" 232 4.57
67 LB Mike Rivera Kansas 6' 3" 254 4.63

Roy, I really like your list but there are a couple guys consistently on it that I just don't get. I'd love to hear why you have Kruger so high and why you think Shipley is worth a pick- he's like Jim Abbott minus the good left arm.

Roy P

04-25-2009, 09:13 AM

Paul Kruger has good size and athleticisim. Pass rushers will be difficult to find in this draft, so there's a bit of supply/demand going on here. Kruger is one of the taller DEs in the draft if you don't count Michael Johnson. Of course Kruger has more of a motor than MJ. If I thought MJ was going to be available, I'd probably slide Kruger to #21. It's probably a moot point, simply because I've rated Chip Vaughn so highly.

Name School Height Weight 40 10 3-Cone Shuttle Explosion Quick Athlete
Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77 1.66 7.58 4.51 56 13.75 4.07
Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83 1.6 7.52 4.47 65.5 13.59 4.82

As for AQ Shipley, I am talking about a C not a LT. He doesn't need to have 38" arms to play OC. As for being athletic in a ZBS, Shipley is very impressive.

Name School Height Weight 40 Explosion Quick Athlete
Alex Mack California 6' 4" 307 5.17 57.33 13.74 4.17
Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28 54.17 13.67 3.96
A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19 72.33 13.58 5.33

Roy P

04-25-2009, 11:04 PM

After the 1st day, teams that picked my guys....

DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss Atl
S William Moore Missouri Atl

DE Aaron Maybin Penn St Buf
OC Eric Wood Louisville Buf

RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia Den
DE Robert Ayers Tennessee Den

DT B.J. Raji Boston College GB
LB Clay Matthews USC GB

LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest Sea
OC Max Unger Oregon Sea

Ted Thompson is always picking My Guys.

Roy P

04-27-2009, 01:16 PM

3 or more of My Guys per team....

DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss Atl
S William Moore Missouri Atl
DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond Atl

DE Aaron Maybin Penn St Buf
OC Eric Wood Louisville Buf
TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss Buf

QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M Dal
TE John Phillips Virginia Dal
DE Victor Butler Oregon St Dal
LB Stephen Hodge TCU Dal

RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia Den
DE Robert Ayers Tennessee Den
S David Bruton Notre Dame Den

DT Ziggy Hood Missouri Pitt
CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St Pitt
DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon Pitt
OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St Pitt

I always find it interesting that I can pick more players for other teams than for our team when tailoring my draft board to the Texans. Then when I look at the teams who selected players that I wanted, I try to see if there is a common philosophy that they share. I can't come up with anything though from scheme to coaching tree. It's like I could just throw darts at a board of names.

Just for posterity - Who Roy would have drafted for the Texans without trade downs......

15. DE Everette Brown Florida St. Car
46. S William Moore Missouri Atl
77. S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest NO
112. RB Andre Brown NC State NYG
122. LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State Chi
152. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia UDFA
188. OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St Pitt
223. OT Lydon Murtha Nebraska Det

Now, I was not able to garner CBs or TEs like Rick Smith, so good job.

Roy P

01-19-2010, 10:58 PM

Who Roy would have drafted for the Texans without trade downs......

15. DE Everette Brown Florida St. Car
46. S William Moore Missouri Atl
77. S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest NO
112. RB Andre Brown NC State NYG
122. LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State Chi
152. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia UDFA
188. OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St Pitt
223. OT Lydon Murtha Nebraska Det
.

Looks like I may need another year to determine if I would have had a good draft. Right now, it's pretty ugly.

http://www.nfl.com/players/everettebrown/profile?id=BRO430930
22 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles.

http://www.nfl.com/players/williammoore/profile?id=MOO749400
2 tackles and injured reserve :(

http://www.nfl.com/players/chipvaughn/profile?id=VAU413244
no stats on reserve

http://www.nfl.com/players/andrebrown/profile?id=BRO251022
no stats injured reserve

http://www.nfl.com/players/marcusfreeman/profile?id=FRE261858
Look at who is on OUR Practice Squad!

http://www.nfl.com/players/dannellellerbe/profile?id=ELL108165
41 Tackles 1 Interception

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no stats

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played in 1 game Reserve