Speculative AJ thread

[nero THE zero]

Let me preface this by saying that I love Andre Johnson. I feel he is truly justified in his recent media comments, deserving of all his probowl trips, over-ridiculed by fans, and the true face of the franchise. Above all else, I love his demeanor. He is the consummate professional playing a diva's position, and I love that. He has suffered through a joke of a coaching staff, quarterback, and offensive scheme for several years, only to miss half of the team's best season under the new coaching staff. Now that he's back and healthy, the team can't win a game. This is obviously the source of a great ammount of frustration that we are seeing, for the first time, manifesting itself in comments to the media. 'Dre is sick of losing, and that's all we've been doing. So, it is with my great admiration for Andre Johnson that I suggest we look at moving him before the trade deadline.

I know that he is signed for several more years which complicates things with the bonus acceleration rules. But, if we could move Andre to a contender for a player and pick(s), I think we would be doing all parties a favor. The contender gets an elite playmaker; the Texans add talent; and Andre goes to a winning team and, presumably, the playoffs for the first time in his NFL career.

Assuming that Kevin Walter and Andre Davis would suffice at WR like they did in AJ's absence last season, you have to start looking at possible partners. I think the most glaring opportunity is the Philadelphia Eagles. The Eagles have sorely been missing a playmaking WR since TO left, and all offseason there were rumors about them looking to move CB Lito Sheppard for WR such as Roy Williams, Chad Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald. The Eagles also have two first round draft picks in the 2009 due to a trade with the Carolina Panthers. And, while it is true that the Eagles drafted DeSean Jackson in April, the fact that he is a smaller reciever and a rookie seems to enforce the fact that a big, dynamic reciever would put the Eagles over the top. So, you have a team who is an Andre Johnson away from a Super Bowl with a talented CB they're willing to trade and two first round picks in the 2009 draft.

Also, another team to consider is the Dallas Cowboys. They were another team entertaining trade offers for WR in the offseason. Those rumored to the Cowboys were Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin, and Roy Williams. This is mostly fueled by Terry Glenn's injury situation and Terrell Owen's age. On top of that, they are division rivals with the Eagles, which is another motivating factor for them to stay in the trade talks. So, if you could get talks going with the Eagles you have leverage in Dallas with Cowboys.

So, given Andre's recent media comments, would you be OK with shipping him to Philly for either (a) their two 2009 first round draft picks or (b) Lito Sheppard and one of their 2009 first round picks?

[KJ3]

if we have to sacrifice our best offensive player to get this team out of it's hole, like as our only option, it would suck. but until that's very apparently our only option i'm saying no.

unless AJ wants out. if that's the case, let the bidding-wars begin and don't stop until it reaches the top.

[papabear]

I know you are just speculating, but mid-season trades are very rare in the NFL. Would I give up AJ for 2 first round picks....probably, but there is no way we could get that for him. I don't think you could get that for him in the off-season, much less after the season already started. The passing game in today's NFL requires so much timing and precision that it would be hard to get a new WR worked in as a major part of the offense mid-season. AJ for Lito could probably be hammered out, but I doubt either team wants to make such a big change mid-season...and I'm not so sure I would do it anyway.

[painekiller]

So, given Andre's recent media comments, would you be OK with shipping him to Philly for either (a) their two 2009 first round draft picks or (b) Lito Sheppard and one of their 2009 first round picks?

I would ship him to Philly for both of their 1st.

Why, you do not win with one player, no matter how good he is.

[KJ3]

I would ship him to Philly for both of their 1st.

Why, you do not win with one player, no matter how good he is.

do you win with 2?

[nunusguy]

Unlike the first 3 games, yesterday AJ looked like the old AJ: he was big & fast with great hands and played with real intensity and as a result was simple unstoppable. So I ask you, after he expressed reservations about the teams progress how do you really think he's going to play now ? Right, I'm also thinking he lays down on the job and becomes disinterested and inconsistant again.
Buy low and sell high, and AJs stock should be high again after yesterday. For the sake of the future, I'd move him now even though as others suggested it may be tough time of the year to find a market for him.
I just think AJ is gonna be less interested than ever now in being here, he's in his prime (only 27), and obviously we aren't going anyplace this year.
Problem is McNair would probably refuse to trade him even if he got a good
offer. And right about now he may not be feeling too confidant about the
advice he gets from Smith & McNair.

[da Bull]

At this point in the season I don't think there are that many (if any) trading partners. That being said, I think AJ is part of the problem not the solution. No doubt he has one of the best receiver skill sets in the NFL, is quite (most of the time) and is a "team" player. So why is it all or nothing with him? He speaks out last week and yesterday the game plan was geared toward him. He responded very well, catching everything in sight. This worked well for 3 3/4 quarters. Then the Colts either took him away or he didn't get himself open because he wasn't in the same position as earlier, before the air was let out of the balloon.

Sitting in the stands you don't see (nor feel) the game the same as on TV with replay, TEVO and etc. Even when we were ahead and I thought there was no way we could lose I thought that AJ had gotten his point across to Kubiak at the expense of the other receivers (Jacksonville)..........but it was all good. Then the wheels fell off.

At his point in the season I think it would be great to get a good player, draft picks or even trade AJ for a good defensive coordinator. I think AJ needs a change of scenery for his sake and the team's.

[Keith]

Anyone thinking of trading Andre Johnson before the deadline must have the NFL confused with MLB... the salary cap rules make trading Johnson all but impossible right now.

This isn't a case of dumping your star pitcher for a middle infielder and a truckload of minor league prospects. The Texans need to keep attaining more talent, not trade it away for speculative values. And what would be worse would be if Johnson were traded for something other than a series of first rounders. I have ZERO faith - ABSOLUTELY NONE - in our pro scouting department right now.

Andre Johnson will be in Houston for the long haul.

[KJ3]

At this point in the season I don't think there are that many (if any) trading partners. That being said, I think AJ is part of the problem not the solution. No doubt he has one of the best receiver skill sets in the NFL, is quite (most of the time) and is a "team" player. So why is it all or nothing with him? He speaks out last week and yesterday the game plan was geared toward him. He responded very well, catching everything in sight. This worked well for 3 3/4 quarters. Then the Colts either took him away or he didn't get himself open because he wasn't in the same position as earlier, before the air was let out of the balloon.

so he's a rock to build a foundation upon for 6 years, hits a few games where despite his efforts his play, his teammates and their play, his coaches and their "coaching" everything goes horribly wrong and it's his fault? he's the problem?

calling out andre johnson as the "problem" with this team is just funny.

this team needs to do several things better. andre can do so much from one position (and he usually does) but this team needs better F/A pickups for contracts that don't make a fish butthole squeeze, actual development from draft picks other than ryans and williams, consistent play from o'line/qb, the continuation of decent health reports, a DC....so on.

[da Bull]

Anyone thinking of trading Andre Johnson before the deadline must have the NFL confused with MLB... the salary cap rules make trading Johnson all but impossible right now.

This isn't a case of dumping your star pitcher for a middle infielder and a truckload of minor league prospects. The Texans need to keep attaining more talent, not trade it away for speculative values. And what would be worse would be if Johnson were traded for something other than a series of first rounders. I have ZERO faith - ABSOLUTELY NONE - in our pro scouting department right now.

Andre Johnson will be in Houston for the long haul.

Keith, pragmatically I agree with you. AJ has always been the "sacred cow" so to speak, the only play who was thought to be "untouchable." I was only pointing out, that that to me, there's some tarnish on his armor and maybe a few "chinks" under the tarnish.

I could see the Texans trading AJ after the season, "to give him a chance to play on a Super Bowl contender" now. There are a few symptoms of "Ahman Green-itis" starting to show up....but like you said, "NO CONFIDENCE IN THE PRO SCOUTING DEPARTMENT". That would really take some "big cojones" on Rick Smith's part and I just don't see it.

so he's a rock to build a foundation upon for 6 years, hits a few games where despite his efforts his play, his teammates and their play, his coaches and their "coaching" everything goes horribly wrong and it's his fault? he's the problem?

calling out andre johnson as the "problem" with this team is just funny. After 6 years does he elevate the play of others around him? So is he the so called "foundation", maybe and then again maybe not. I think I would prefer a few smaller "rocks" and a sack of cement than one "big rock" and that same sack of cement to build my foundation.

[bono]

perhaps Andre Johnson is/was having the same issue as Peyton Manning. He didn't play too much in the preseason so when the regular season started he had rust. Yesterday, the rust was gone and we had good ol' AJ

[KJ3]

uh...house building analogies aside i think we can agree this would cut our only strength (passing game) in half.

[NBT]

How about we just start closing out teams in the fourth quarter, and stop talking about trading our best player other than Mario.

[painekiller]

I admit yesterday's lose has me dumbfounded. I really have no clue what this ownership/management needs to do.

Our schedule gets easier, well after the suddenly surging Dolphin's, if Kubiak can get this team to believe in themselves, then he gets another year, if he losses the players then he should go. I think he is here next season.

[Nconroe]

I guess the team had perhaps its best game ever other than the last four minutes of QB knucklehead plays. I suspect they will continue to play hard and salvage a reasonable season from the rough start. A few wins will fix lots of this, sure hope they come soon. I sure wouldn't trade a strength at this time. We are building, not rebuilding, very young already.

[nero THE zero]

the salary cap rules make trading Johnson all but impossible right now.

How does it work differently during the season as opposed to the offseason?

Like I said, I know cap issues complicate the hypothetical. Really the point I wanted to raise is; are we a better team with AJ and a 2009 first rounder or Lito Shephard and two 2009 first rounders (or 3 2009 first rounders?)

Your initial reaction is that you're a better team with one of the best 3 WR in the league; a guy who's been humble and loyal to a wretched organization. But, there's an argument to be made that our passing offense can suffice without him (e.g. those 7 games without him last season: 236 yds, 317 yds, 294 yds, 259 yds, 290 yds, 176 yds, 181 yds) especially if you get comparable/more talent back in return.

[popanot]

...are we a better team with AJ and a 2009 first rounder or Lito Shephard and two 2009 first rounders (or 3 2009 first rounders?).Do you really believe the Eagles are dumb enough to give up Sheppard AND 2 first rounders for AJ? We're talking about one of the better franchises in the league with making personel decisions. They'd laugh at that offer.

This subject is borderline silly. The guy has his best game so far and people want to ship him out. The franchise is obviously lacking top-level talent. We need to keep our quality young players, do better at drafting, sign better FAs and do better at evaluating talent overall (ours and theirs).

[Keith]

How does it work differently during the season as opposed to the offseason?

Iirc, the unamortized bonus money accelerates immediately regardless of when the trade happens.

I agree with popanot here. A little off-topic, but the player we should have traded was Rosenfels, a QB discarded by a passer-deficient Dolphins team two years ago who suddenly gained some trade value (at least before about 2:45pm yesterday). Anyone wish they had a third rounder for him now?

If we're looking to trade anyone, you start with overpriced vets who might benefit from a new scheme or a change in scenery, guys like Tony Weaver and Morlon Greenwood ...though there is no one interested in picking up their salaries, Weaver especially. There are so few trades of household name players in the NFL for good reason.

[nero THE zero]

Do you really believe the Eagles are dumb enough to give up Sheppard AND 2 first rounders for AJ?

So, given Andre's recent media comments, would you be OK with shipping him to Philly for either (a) their two 2009 first round draft picks or (b) Lito Sheppard and one of their 2009 first round picks?
...........

[popanot]

...........Like I said, this topic is silly. Philly would laugh at either one of those offers.

[KJ3]

Like I said, this topic is silly. Philly would laugh at either one of those offers.

i thought they were pretty much ready to strike this offseason for either sheppard or their 1sts....why would they laugh at andre?

[nunusguy]

Iirc, the unamortized bonus money accelerates immediately regardless of when the trade happens.

I agree with popanot here. A little off-topic, but the player we should have traded was Rosenfels, a QB discarded by a passer-deficient Dolphins team two years ago who suddenly gained some trade value (at least before about 2:45pm yesterday). Anyone wish they had a third rounder for him now?

If we're looking to trade anyone, you start with overpriced vets who might benefit from a new scheme or a change in scenery, guys like Tony Weaver and Morlon Greenwood ...though there is no one interested in picking up their salaries, Weaver especially. There are so few trades of household name players in the NFL for good reason.

I dunno, but really bet you wouldn't be saying that if not for the last 3 or 4 minutes of Sundays Texans-Colts game ? 20-20 as they say - perfect hindsight.
And sure we'd like to trade Weaver or Greenwood if there was only takers
on those fat contracts. Like the sub-prime mess (mortgage balances > home market values), compensation package > player market value.

[nero THE zero]

Like I said, this topic is silly. Philly would laugh at either one of those offers.

I thought it was an interesting topic; that's why I took the time to sit down and type out my thoughts to share. Is it improbable? Sure. But, I think it's interesting nonetheless.

If you feel otherwise, you're more than welcome to ignore it. I don't really see how it's constructive to come in and belittle it like that though.

And, as KJ said, Philly was willing to give up Lito for Roy Williams or Chad Johnson straight up. I don't think it's inconcievable that a greater, younger talent; with no attitude; who's under contract, IIRC, for 6 more years garners an extra first in the deal.

[Keith]

I dunno, but really bet you wouldn't be saying that if not for the last 3 or 4 minutes of Sundays Texans-Colts game ? 20-20 as they say - perfect hindsight.haha, so true, but I have, fairly or not, never been a huge fan of Sage's. I wrote a pretty ugly article after the team signed him (and Jameel Cook and Anthony Weaver) saying the 'new' Texans were blowing it in free agency just like the 'old' Texans.

I owned up awhile ago on Sage being more than worth the contract, so my hindsight is certainly clearer there, but I was/is all for trading Sage then and now (knowing of course now is really not likely anyway).

Sage is signed through 2009, so an offseason trade is still a possibility. Regardless, I'm in favor of using a draft pick (no earlier than a second) on a QB next April, and a suitable veteran backup is almost always available - heck, I still think the Texans had one before they let Quinn Gray go. Journeyman backup QBs are a dime a dozen imo, and to get something as meaningful as a third rounder for one just screams value to me.

And sorry for officially derailing this thread.

And nero - i think the length of this thread is more than enough evidence that this is an interesting topic, just one that might be a bit silly given the realities of the NFL's salary cap rules and general lack of blockbuster trades. Regardless, thanks for starting it... more interesting threads here is a good thing.

[popanot]

I thought it was an interesting topic; that's why I took the time to sit down and type out my thoughts to share. Is it improbable? Sure. But, I think it's interesting nonetheless.

If you feel otherwise, you're more than welcome to ignore it. I don't really see how it's constructive to come in and belittle it like that though.

And, as KJ said, Philly was willing to give up Lito for Roy Williams or Chad Johnson straight up. I don't think it's inconcievable that a greater, younger talent; with no attitude; who's under contract, IIRC, for 6 more years garners an extra first in the deal.Sorry, I'm not trying to belittle anyone. I'm saying no one would do that deal and it's crazy thinking someone will, or, to give up on our young talent at this point. Anyway, you're saying that AJ is worth Sheppard and a #1, but RW or CJ is only worth Sheppard? I don't think teams think as highly of AJ as we fans do. The Eagles were holding out for a #1 for Sheppard, so from Philly's perspective, they'd be giving up 2 #1s for AJ. They can find someone better or close to AJ's talent (Bolden, perhaps?) for cheaper than that. I can see Sheppard and a #2 or #3 or something like that, but not Sheppard + a #1.

[popanot]

i thought they were pretty much ready to strike this offseason for either sheppard or their 1sts....why would they laugh at andre?Strike for who? They never made any deal so apparently they feel Sheppard's value is pretty high. I dunno. I'm not saying they'd laugh at AJ, just that they'd laugh if we came to table asking Sheppard + a #1 or their 2 #1's for AJ. I doubt any team would give up that much for AJ. The guy was a top 5 pick, but it's not like he's produced big time numbers for someone to give up that much for him. At this point, and aside from his recent injury, Anqaun Bolden's value is higher than AJ's.

[nero THE zero]

Sorry, I'm not trying to belittle anyone. I'm saying no one would do that deal and it's crazy thinking someone will, or, to give up on our young talent at this point. Anyway, you're saying that AJ is worth Sheppard and a #1, but RW or CJ is only worth Sheppard? I don't think teams think as highly of AJ as we fans do. The Eagles were holding out for a #1 for Sheppard, so from Philly's perspective, they'd be giving up 2 #1s for AJ. They can find someone better or close to AJ's talent (Bolden, perhaps?) for cheaper than that. I can see Sheppard and a #2 or #3 or something like that, but not Sheppard + a #1.

Yea, maybe that's why talks broke down. Philly wasn't willing to give up more than Shephard and the other teams wanted more back.

[KJ3]

Strike for who? They never made any deal so apparently they feel Sheppard's value is pretty high. I dunno. I'm not saying they'd laugh at AJ, just that they'd laugh if we came to table asking Sheppard + a #1 or their 2 #1's for AJ. I doubt any team would give up that much for AJ. The guy was a top 5 pick, but it's not like he's produced big time numbers for someone to give up that much for him. At this point, and aside from his recent injury, Anqaun Bolden's value is higher than AJ's.

they feel sheppard's value is high or that roy williams/chad ocho crazo aren't worth sheppard or their 1sts. figures, because the chad isn't doing much, neither is anyone in la-la-land, michigan. frankly i think andre is better than both of them, and at least andre johnson has produced consistent numbers enough to get him a few probowls from a not very popular team and as a not as popular player (especially the position he plays). logic says if he was on a decent team his numbers would become even more stout.

specifically to a. bolden, the eagles were reported in going after him too if i can remember right. i guess either arizona thought boldin was worth more than any combo of sheppard/2 1st rounders, or the eagles want some kind of jerry rice/god combo at wideout for pennies.

either way, the only people who should be laughing is anyone who knows that if philly wants an elite wideout they're going to have to pony up to the elite price.

[Mike]

You know what, the mad AJ that we saw Sunday is not someone I want to trade. AJ commands too much attention and can just dominate. Can you imagine what he would do for a team with a real RB? Put him with Peterson and watch the Viking offense take off. With the hint of a running game, he is a deadly weapon.

We need to continue to get him the ball. Forget trading him. I would be sick if the team considered that. Trading away its best player would be detrimental to the franchise. What message would that send the fan base? The other players would be devestated. It sends the wrong message. We would be no better than the Pirates if we started doing crap like that.

[nunusguy]

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Tony Gonzalez, the most productive tight end in NFL history, will be traded to a contender if the Kansas City Chiefs get the right price.
ESPN's Michael Smith first reported the fact Gonzalez was to be shopped Saturday.
A league source confirmed to ESPN that Gonzalez went to Chiefs GM Carl Peterson and inquired about a trade to a contender earlier this week.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3638551
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The Texans should do exactly the same thing if AJ or his agent were to
approach them. And the big difference here is that Gonzalez, great in his prime, at 32 is arguably on the downside of his career while AJ is a full 5 years
younger.

[nunusguy]

''Too many big plays,'' coach Tony Sparano said. ``[Johnson] is a hell of a player. I've been watching the same thing for years playing against him, and he did a hell of a job [Sunday].''
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/723415.html
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OK, so I said the other day before Sundays game vs the 'Phins I'd trade AJ.
I'd still still trade him, but whatever the price was has just gone up. A lot.

[da Bull]

I agree. Two weeks ago (Jacksonville) when AJ was not the featured receiver the offense looked much more efficient as a group. The past two weeks when AJ was the featured receiver and he did make some all-world plays the other receivers did not look as effective. It's as though they're standing around waiting on AJ to make a play, figuratively speaking. You would think it would be the opposite, AJ drawing so much attention that everyone else would be wide open....either one of two things: a) the other receivers can't get open as they did in the Jacksonville game or b) the coaches are defining the play for AJ pretty much exclusively, so he won't go into a funk. Is there a c?

Regarding a trade of AJ, I think it boils down to: Can the Texans be effective offensely without him? I think yes, but definitely not with the same flare. Can they win without him? Maybe, maybe not...big plays at the end of games do make a difference as observed yesterday. Win consistently? No, not without a better defense. So to pick up a couple of better defensive players either via the draft or direct trade for AJ would improve the team, in my opinion.

[painekiller]

AJ is so good there is no way to get enough value for him. I think we will have to live with him.

[KJ3]

So to pick up a couple of better defensive players either via the draft or direct trade for AJ would improve the team, in my opinion.

in 2-3 years our defense would be better? because our offense takes the hit immediately.

[barrett]

I agree. Two weeks ago (Jacksonville) when AJ was not the featured receiver the offense looked much more efficient as a group. The past two weeks when AJ was the featured receiver and he did make some all-world plays the other receivers did not look as effective. It's as though they're standing around waiting on AJ to make a play, figuratively speaking. You would think it would be the opposite, AJ drawing so much attention that everyone else would be wide open....either one of two things: a) the other receivers can't get open as they did in the Jacksonville game or b) the coaches are defining the play for AJ pretty much exclusively, so he won't go into a funk. Is there a c?

Regarding a trade of AJ, I think it boils down to: Can the Texans be effective offensely without him? I think yes, but definitely not with the same flare. Can they win without him? Maybe, maybe not...big plays at the end of games do make a difference as observed yesterday. Win consistently? No, not without a better defense. So to pick up a couple of better defensive players either via the draft or direct trade for AJ would improve the team, in my opinion.


Week 3
386 yards and 27 points

Week 4-5 (when you claim they were less effective with AJ as the feature guy)
438 yards and 28 points


And also take into account that the game when you thought everyone else looked good was a game in which the Jags doubled AJ all game and singled up on all our other guys.

[Nconroe]

I'd generally be against trading our best player. Maybe if you got a Herschel Walker type offer I'd consider it, maybe. I guess AJ is a lot happier now and doesn't want to be traded either.

[superbowlbound]

I think it's far too early for this type of discussion, as intriguing as it may be. The fact is, we're still a very young team with a very young front office and a ridiculous excuse for a defensive coordinator. Don't get me wrong, we're nowhere near "there" yet, obviously; but I've seen us grow a little as a team each week after our embarassing loss vs Pittsburgh. We'll see what the next couple weeks hold, but that comeback on sunday had a different feel to it. Schaub responding the way he did to those 2 early picks was fantastic to see, and we finally saw the defense make a big play down the stretch (of course eugene fumbled it back and we let them walk down the field unimpeded, but the play was made, and the mistake can be fixed). Kevin Walter has grown into a very solid no. 2, as evidenced by his 98 yards to go with AJ's 178. Steve Slaton appears to be at least a short-term answer to the team's running problems with his big play ability, and Mario is getting tougher by the game. Are we going to make the playoffs this year? probably not, but i think we've still got 8-8 in us, and another year in the middle of the pack wouldn't be the worst thing in the world from a draft perspective. At the start of the year everyone was saying we're still a year away, and that's still true. AJ's played out of his head since he made those comments, and I'm glad he made them. I'm sure his comments scared the piss out of the organization, and they'll do whatever they can to make him happy go lucky dre again, again evidenced by his 10 catches on sunday. Winning cures everything, and I think we've got a lot more of them in store. We turned a corner yesterday, fellas. Let's not get crazy and ship off key pieces before we know what the puzzle's gonna look like.

[jppaul]

The last two games of this year I have seen something from AJ that I didn't see last year. That was his will to fight for the football, to excercise physical dominance over the cornerback if the throw was up for grabs.

Last year he just didn't seem to have it, it was his best season statistically but his spectular catches weren't there. For instance that interception early in the season in the endzone, or letting the browns second stringer take balls away from him when he got back.

This year that nastiness is back, owning Yeremiah Bell, and the previous week taking that ball away from the colts defender in the end zone.

I like it.

[Keith]

Well, the question of what Andre's value is just got a little clearer at least. Schefter says:

The Lions have traded WR Roy Williams to the Cowboys for a first, third and sixth round pick. The Cowboys also receive a seventh-round pick from the Lions in 2009.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/14/cowboys-acquire-wr-williams-from-detroit/

[painekiller]

Well, the question of what Andre's value is just got a little clearer at least. Schefter says:



http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/14/cowboys-acquire-wr-williams-from-detroit/

That is a hell of a deal by the Lions.

[WMH]

That is a hell of a deal by the Lions.

Millen would have screwed that up.....;)

[papabear]

Millen would have screwed that up.....;)


Millen would have given them a first round pick for the 5th WR on the Girls depth Chart AND Williams.

[cadams]

yeah, that is a ton to give up for a receiver. also, this could cause major issues on the TO front. we all know how he likes to be the center of attention. he didn't like sharing the spotlight with a qb, i can't imagine he will like sharing it with another receiver (who is a texas kid) who will take catches away from him.

[edo783]

There aren't enough balls in the NFL, much less single games, for those two to share. Both were complaining about the number they were seeing before the trade on two different teams. What are the chances they will be happing sharing on the same team.:p