View Full Version : Official Texans @ Chiefs Game Thread, 10/13/2019
The 3-2 Texans hit the road this Sunday to play an early game against the 4-1 Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs suffered their first loss of the year last week on SNF falling 19-13 to the Indianapolis Colts. The Chiefs are pretty banged up but still dangerous.
The Texans are coming off a 53-32 home win over the Atlanta Falcons. The Texans are in relatively good health and what appeared to be an "L" on the schedule at the start of the year is now an opportunity for them to spruce up there résumé.
I think this is going to be a close game and I have the Texans getting inside the number. Can they win? Sure, it's possible - but it could go either way. The Colts did it, why can't we? I have the Texans winning outright against a Chiefs team not at full strength.
Texans 31, Chiefs 30
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TV = CBS (channel 11 local), noon CST, Sunday, 10/13/2019
Announcers (https://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2019&wk=6) = Ian Eagle, Dan Fouts
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Chiefs by 4 to 5
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
CBS (late) = Dallas @ NY Jets, Jim Nantz, Tony Romo
FOX (late) = San Francisco @ LA Rams, Dick Stockton, Mark Schlereth
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Prime time:
TNF = NY Giants @ New England (FOX/NFLN)
Sunday morning = Carolina vs Tampa Bay (in London) (NFLN; 8:30 AM CST)
SNF = Pittsburgh @ LA Chargers (NBC)
MNF = Detroit @ Green Bay (ESPN)
chuck
10-09-2019, 12:56 PM
I'm picking the Texans in the suicide pool. I have been picking overwhelming favorites and already have two strikes, so, goodbye cruel world.
HPF Bob
10-09-2019, 01:39 PM
I'm picking the Texans in the suicide pool. I have been picking overwhelming favorites and already have two strikes, so, goodbye cruel world.
I'm undefeated in Suicide (I'm at the bottom in the Pick 'Em) so I'm taking the Dallas gimme against the Jets. I'm 1-4 on Thursday nights but I think the Patriots can handle themselves at home against the Giants. These aren't Eli's G-men anymore.
How the heck am I supposed to choose between Washington and Miami? Ditto Atlanta and Arizona? Carolina vs Tampa in London is another game you can't predict. I did notice Tampa is L-W-L-W-L this year which means they will probably win this week.
Back to Kansas City. Indy used those solid OL picks they've made and just blew KC off the ball while forcing Mahomes to limp around which limited his creativity. I don't think Houston can copy this formula so I expect the Chiefs to win handily.
barrett
10-09-2019, 02:37 PM
I'm undefeated in Suicide (I'm at the bottom in the Pick 'Em) so I'm taking the Dallas gimme against the Jets. I'm 1-4 on Thursday nights but I think the Patriots can handle themselves at home against the Giants. These aren't Eli's G-men anymore.
How the heck am I supposed to choose between Washington and Miami? Ditto Atlanta and Arizona? Carolina vs Tampa in London is another game you can't predict. I did notice Tampa is L-W-L-W-L this year which means they will probably win this week.
Back to Kansas City. Indy used those solid OL picks they've made and just blew KC off the ball while forcing Mahomes to limp around which limited his creativity. I don't think Houston can copy this formula so I expect the Chiefs to win handily.
Indy beat gimpy Mahomes with no Hill or Watkins. Half the league could have done the same.
I'm undefeated in Suicide (I'm at the bottom in the Pick 'Em) so I'm taking the Dallas gimme against the Jets. I'm 1-4 on Thursday nights but I think the Patriots can handle themselves at home against the Giants. These aren't Eli's G-men anymore.
How the heck am I supposed to choose between Washington and Miami? Ditto Atlanta and Arizona? Carolina vs Tampa in London is another game you can't predict. I did notice Tampa is L-W-L-W-L this year which means they will probably win this week.
Meh, a couple of good weeks in Pickem and you can be right back in it. You are keeping me out of last place. :p I too am 1-4 on Thursdays - I can't imagine anyone taking the Giants tomorrow..... One school of thought on the Thursday games is that the short week and travel for the visitor is tougher than on the home team. Not always the case so far this year.....
Whenever I have a hard time making up my mind on a pick I go seek out what other people are saying about the matchup. I use Walterfootball (http://walterfootball.com/index.php) and SBR (Sportsbook Review) (https://www.sportsbookreview.com/picks/). These and other handicappers may not be right with their pick but they can give you some data to mull over....
HPF Bob
10-10-2019, 03:10 AM
This is the Thursday night I'd really love to be wrong about my pick.
This is the Thursday night I'd really love to be wrong about my pick.
Pats have such a ridiculously easy schedule. They are a lock for 11 wins but will probably get more because well, they are good and have TB12 and BB. Their only struggle so far was a 16-10 win over the Bills. Their defense is putting up ridiculous numbers but it's hard to tell how good they are because they've played so many weak sisters.
Prepare for an onslaught of Pats and the steenkin' Cowboys to dominate prime time over the next 6 weeks or so. The Cowboys have two Sunday-nighters sandwiched around a Monday nighter coming up. The Pats start with tonight's TNF and have a MNF and SNF coming up. They will end with yet another SNF on Dec 1 against the Texans....
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Oct. 27 Week 8 flexible schedule changes: Raiders at Texans moved from 1 PM ET to 4:25 PM. Broncos at Colts moved from 4:25 PM ET to 1 PM. Both on CBS.
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CBS had planned Browns-Patriots as their main DH game in week 8. They might split the country up with OAK-HOU or at least leave it as blowout protection.
So, Week 8 game between Texans and Raiders gets moved from noon to 3:25 and will reach more viewers....
Keith
10-11-2019, 03:03 PM
So, Week 8 game between Texans and Raiders gets moved from noon to 3:25 and will reach more viewers....
This schedule change is really good news mostly because Deshaun Watson is a completely better player more often the later in the day.
The viewership of the later game probably says as much about the Raiders being a little more watchable than anticipated.
HPF Bob
10-11-2019, 04:04 PM
This schedule change is really good news mostly because Deshaun Watson is a completely better player more often the later in the day.
The viewership of the later game probably says as much about the Raiders being a little more watchable than anticipated.
...and the Broncos being a little less watchable. Denver suffers some of their worst defeats @ Indy historically. TBH, OAK @ HOU is a more interesting game. We tend to play the Raydahs well.
Gametime!
Texans win the toss and defer. Chiefs to receive. Chiefs bring it out to about the 20 but penalty on the Chiefs places the ball at about their 9.
Screen to Williams goes for big gainer, 52 yards. OB challenging that there was offensive PI (pick) during the play.....
Play stands.
2 penalties make if 1st and 25 at midfield.
On 3rd and 21, Mahomes hits Hill for the the 46-yard TD. Reid whiffs on the INT.
Chiefs 7, Texans 0
11:42 left in the 1st qtr.
Keith
10-13-2019, 12:15 PM
Free play on an offsides by Mercilus allows Mahomes to find Tyreek Hill deep and through the hands of Reid for a 3rd-and-long TD.
Chiefs 7, Texans 0
11:42 1st
Keith
10-13-2019, 12:17 PM
Taking the penalty after stopping the Chiefs on third down made me think twice.... it pushed the Chiefs into a 3rd-and-21 and out of field goal range, so probably an obvious decision. But against the Chiefs, getting them to fourth down and long field goal range kinda felt like a win.
Hyde fumbles on the Texans first play. Chiefs recover at the Texan 18.
Gotta minimize the damage. FG?
Chiefs have to settle for the FG. Butker good from 41.
Chiefs 10, Texans 0
10:19 left in the 1st qtr.
Fairbairn is good from 44 to get the Texans on the board.
Chiefs 10, Texans 3
5:46 left in the 1st qtr.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 12:43 PM
I haven't turned on the game yet but the NFL Red Zone channel seems to be locked into this game so I haven't missed much. I guess Mahomes keeps putting the Chiefs in the red zone so they must figure it's only a matter of time before he scores again.
Short pass to Williams goes for 14 yards and the TD for the Chiefs.
Chiefs 17, Texans 3
1:28 left in the 1st qtr.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 12:47 PM
Ian Eagle: ...and they make it look so easy
Imagine how much worse it would be if our guys didn't hold so often.
Keith
10-13-2019, 12:47 PM
Romeo Crennel is getting completely pwned.
Terrible understanding of defending the screen pass and 10-yard cushions on receivers is just what the Chiefs offense wants.
Warren
10-13-2019, 12:51 PM
Im trying to figure out why Andy Reid isn’t calling a screen on every play.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 12:54 PM
Im trying to figure out why Andy Reid isn’t calling a screen on every play.
Because then Mahomes can't throw no-look behind-the-back passes to wide-open receivers.
Watson hits D Johnson on the short pass who takes it in for the 11 yard TD.
Fairbairn misses the XP. It's like deja vu...
Chiefs 17, Texans 9
12:15 left in the half.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 01:06 PM
Minnesota loves Kirk Cousins this week.
Red Zone announcing Washington interception: "Rosen in the RPO....peed when he should have, uhhhhhh, R'd.
Texans get a break. Mahomes throws the INT in the endzone to Gipson. Somehow the Texans avoid yet another PI/hold on the play.......
Texans ball with 8:50 left in the half.
Texans put a nice drive together and Hyde punches it in from the 2.
Chiefs 17, Texans 16
3:06 left in the half.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 01:20 PM
Son of a gun, they're back in it.
What did Hyde yell at the cameraman?
Butker misses from 50.
Texans ball with 1:39 left in the half.
Ball at the Texan 40.
Whoa, Omenihu with the strip, McKinney with the recovery. Texans with the ball at the Chiefs 3!
Watson runs it in for the TD!
Texans 23, Chiefs 17
16 seconds left in the half...
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 01:41 PM
Vince Young to the pylon...oops, I meant Deshaun Watson. Lots of stomachs in KC feeling sour about now.
Halftime and the score remains the same.
Texans 23, Chiefs 17
Defense running hot and cold. Offense looks good, Texans score 20 straight points.....
Chiefs moving the ball too easy for a while there....
Texans get the ball to start the 2nd half.
BOB with the good leading-at-the-half record....
Texans take the 2nd half kickoff and drive down to FG range only to have Fairbairn miss a 46-yarder.
Chiefs ball at their 28.
Score remains:
Texans 23, Chiefs 17
10:55 left in the 3rd qtr.
Big Texas
10-13-2019, 02:07 PM
If I didnt know any better I'd think Fairbairn was trying to throw this game.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 02:07 PM
Who was the PK competition in camp again?
Chiefs drive down and no one on Hill for the 6-yard TD pass.
Chiefs 24, Texans 23
6:30 left in the 3rd qtr.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 02:18 PM
Notice all the scoring seems to be going on only one end of the field? 44 points in one direction, three in the other.
Watson throws a red zone INT as the 3rd qtr draws to a close.
Chiefs have 3rd and 10 at their 20.
Score remains:
Chiefs 24, Texans 23
Start of the 4th qtr.
Texans put together a good time consuming drive. Watson runs it in for the last yard.
Texans going for 2.
Pass to Hop good for the 2 pts.
Texans 31, Chiefs 24
6:17 left in the game.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 02:50 PM
Again, same scoring end zone. Why wasn't there a flag for throwing down D-Hop?
Warren
10-13-2019, 02:53 PM
Trying to figure that one out too. Pretty blatant.
barrett
10-13-2019, 02:53 PM
This is the worst officiated game I’ve ever seen. Half the bad calls weren’t against us. Just unbiased incompetence.
Chiefs go 3 and out.
Texans with the ball at their 37. Run it down their throats!
5:03 left in the game.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 02:56 PM
Bridgewater.....he went to Jared! Saints dump the Jaguars!
barrett
10-13-2019, 03:09 PM
Gutsy 4th down call. And then intelligently doing what worked all game. Great win. This version of Watson who throws short passes is the best QB in football.
Texans go for it on 4th and 3 and pass to Hop is good for the 1st down.
Kneel time.
Good enough. Well done fellas.
Final score:
Texans 31, Chiefs 24
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 03:11 PM
Nice call, Chuck ;)
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 03:12 PM
Dolphins decide to go for 2, down 17-16. Bubble screen was dropped! Skins survive for their first win. Case Keenum 2 TD passes.
HPF Bob
10-13-2019, 03:18 PM
Indy has a bye week so, technically, we lead the AFC South at 4-2.
BTW, thank you Arky for the updates.
Keith
10-13-2019, 09:24 PM
Being 4-2 six games into the season is realistically about as good as most fans could expect. The Texans can really begin to separate themselves in the division if they keep the magic going one more week in Indy. The second half of the schedule still seems a bit weaker than the first half.
Need to get some health in the secondary. Hopefully the injury Tytus suffered isn't too terrible, but even without him today, the OL was crushing it. Probably not coincidentally, Watson was as quick as I can recall when it came to getting rid of the football.
barrett
10-13-2019, 09:38 PM
Being 4-2 six games into the season is realistically about as good as most fans could expect. The Texans can really begin to separate themselves in the division if they keep the magic going one more week in Indy. The second half of the schedule still seems a bit weaker than the first half.
Need to get some health in the secondary. Hopefully the injury Tytus suffered isn't too terrible, but even without him today, the OL was crushing it. Probably not coincidentally, Watson was as quick as I can recall when it came to getting rid of the football.
When he gets the ball out on time defenses have no answer. Their DBs were playing off because of the big play threat, and the LBs up to deal with the run game. Watson completed short hitches any time he felt like it, including for tons of conversions (including the one that iced the game). Teams are just terrified to play tight man because they know what happens if their DBs turn their back.
So if Watson keeps taking those throws to stay on schedule, he will force teams to give him what he really wants...a chance to make plays downfield when things break down. But if he doesn't take those short throws then the heads never turn, guys never break routes deep, Watson never gets to run, etc...
HPF Bob
10-14-2019, 10:06 AM
Broncos fan recap of the early games including Carlos Hyde's f-bombs and Will Fuller V's multiple drops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXQ2M-JT2K4
Do skip past the ad for "Manscape" :eek:. All the Texans comments are done by 6:20.
(note: language warning and not just from Carlos Hyde)
I think one of the Fuller drops was lost in the sun. Fuller was kinda making gestures at the sun after the long sideline drop. I dunno, maybe use one of those tinted visors on a cloudless, sunny day? He can look really awkward sometimes when he drops one. I've seen him make some tough catches before, too, so you get the bad with the good with him.
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Many mistakes made yesterday and yet they still won. 3 Turnovers. If you look at just the stats, it looks like a Texan blowout. The mistakes kept the Chiefs in the game..... An imperfect win counts the same as an perfect win....
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If the playoffs started today, the Texans would be the #2 seed behind the Pats.
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Hoping the Texans keep their heads screwed on straight after this win. They are in a bit of a letdown spot after the nice win over the Chiefs. Indy, IMO, is a more disciplined team than the Texans. I think they are coached better.
Part of it will be for OB to keep reminding them they hadn't won jack, yet....
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Early line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) has it as a Pickem to Colts by 1 next Sunday.
barrett
10-14-2019, 11:51 AM
I think one of the Fuller drops was lost in the sun. Fuller was kinda making gestures at the sun after the long sideline drop. I dunno, maybe use one of those tinted visors on a cloudless, sunny day? He can look really awkward sometimes when he drops one. I've seen him make some tough catches before, too, so you get the bad with the good with him.
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Many mistakes made yesterday and yet they still won. 3 Turnovers. If you look at just the stats, it looks like a Texan blowout. The mistakes kept the Chiefs in the game..... An imperfect win counts the same as an perfect win....
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If the playoffs started today, the Texans would be the #2 seed behind the Pats.
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Hoping the Texans keep their heads screwed on straight after this win. They are in a bit of a letdown spot after the nice win over the Chiefs. Indy, IMO, is a more disciplined team than the Texans. I think they are coached better.
Part of it will be for OB to keep reminding them they hadn't won jack, yet....
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Early line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) has it as a Pickem to Colts by 1 next Sunday.
Fuller had 2 bad hands drops and one drop where he got spun around. His first half was as terrible as a WR can play. I was happy he caught some short passes in the 2nd half. Hopkins also dropped an easy one. If the WRs had helped out Watson the 1st half would have looked like the 2nd and we would have scored 50 again.
I don't think Indy is great. They play well from ahead because they run it and rush the QB. They are like the 2nd best version of the Matt Schaub/Arian Foster Texans. If we fall behind Watson is in trouble. If we start ok we are the better team and it will show.
Broncos fan recap of the early games including Carlos Hyde's f-bombs and Will Fuller V's multiple drops.
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What do you think of the Broncos? Are they back? Who do you like on Thursday night in Broncos vs. Chiefs?
HPF Bob
10-14-2019, 03:26 PM
What do you think of the Broncos? Are they back? Who do you like on Thursday night in Broncos vs. Chiefs?
Two weeks ago when the Broncos were 0-4 and the Chiefs were 4-0, this would have been as easy a pick as Dallas vs the Jets. Oh, scratch that. Maybe Alabama vs the Dolphins.
Broncos are still the same team they've been all year except without Bradley Chubb (ACL) and their secondary is very thin. It's the Chiefs I have to question but getting their speedy midget back should help. Colts and Texans both dominated the running game but the Broncos are more of a cutback team than a blow-them-off-the-ball team. I don't know what the line is but I'd take the Chiefs.
Regardless, I'll be absorbed with Game 5 of the ALCS on Thursday night (weather permitting) which may just be a nice way to avoid watching another drubbing.
Two weeks ago when the Broncos were 0-4 and the Chiefs were 4-0, this would have been as easy a pick as Dallas vs the Jets. Oh, scratch that. Maybe Alabama vs the Dolphins.
Broncos are still the same team they've been all year except without Bradley Chubb (ACL) and their secondary is very thin. It's the Chiefs I have to question but getting their speedy midget back should help. Colts and Texans both dominated the running game but the Broncos are more of a cutback team than a blow-them-off-the-ball team. I don't know what the line is but I'd take the Chiefs.
Regardless, I'll be absorbed with Game 5 of the ALCS on Thursday night (weather permitting) which may just be a nice way to avoid watching another drubbing.
Yeah, I watched the Astros last night and recorded SNF. Don't think I'll bother to watch Pitt vs. LAC, now that I know the final score. Astros gotta get one, (preferrably, 2 or more) in New York to guarantee resuming the series back in Houston.....
Chiefs are favored by 3½ to 4 over Denver, BTW. I'm leaning taking Denver and the points but Chiefs to win......
HPF Bob
10-14-2019, 06:24 PM
Just think. If we hadn't farted away the final 37 seconds in New Orleans, we could be 5-1. Then again, if we hadn't survived a stupid two-point try by Jacksonville, we could be 3-3.
Keith
10-16-2019, 01:41 PM
If we fall behind Watson is in trouble. If we start ok we are the better team and it will show.
Maybe this is true if I take the premise that somehow the Colts are better than the Chiefs with a lead, but... we just saw Watson fall behind 17-3 at Arrowhead and win the game. I sorta think Watson has often been a better player when the Texans play from behind.
barrett
10-16-2019, 01:45 PM
Maybe this is true if I take the premise that somehow the Colts are better than the Chiefs with a lead, but... we just saw Watson fall behind 17-3 at Arrowhead and win the game. I sorta think Watson has often been a better player when the Texans play from behind.
The chiefs don’t rush the passer or run the ball like the colts. And Watson definitely wasn’t better playing from behind against the Colts in the playoffs.
nunusguy
10-17-2019, 06:39 AM
The chiefs don’t rush the passer or run the ball like the colts. And Watson definitely wasn’t better playing from behind against the Colts in the playoffs.
With this new and vastly improved offensive line it's a whole new world for Deshawn Watson, i.e, there's nothing like providing a QB with pass-pro to
realize his full potential.
barrett
10-17-2019, 08:03 AM
With this new and vastly improved offensive line it's a whole new world for Deshawn Watson, i.e, there's nothing like providing a QB with pass-pro to
realize his full potential.
Very true.
HPF Bob
10-17-2019, 11:19 AM
I must say I've noticed the difference. Hopkins has turned into a possession receiver, the tight ends are medium-deep threats, and Fuller is there to scare secondaries that he might actually catch a deep ball.
Hyde and Johnson offer just enough of a running threat to not be ignored.
I'm still not sure we can beat the Colts unless we bring back Brandon Weeden.
I rewatched the game last night and the thing that stuck out to me were these new sets of plays where Watson rolls out right or left, he's got a TE (Fells) right in front of him, someone else (slot?) a little deeper then and then a WR (Fuller) even a little more deeper. Watson also could keep the ball and run. Good blitzbeaters and very Kubiakian. They were very successful until the Chiefs adjusted and then they were still kinda successful. You may recall a couple of penalties for "lineman downfield" to which Fouts observed the linemen couldn't tell if it was going to be a run or a pass so, I don't think they've worked out all the kinks out yet.
It was kind of refreshing to see. Watson should not have to be confined to being a pocket passer 100% of the time...
barrett
10-17-2019, 06:15 PM
I rewatched the game last night and the thing that stuck out to me were these new sets of plays where Watson rolls out right or left, he's got a TE (Fells) right in front of him, someone else (slot?) a little deeper then and then a WR (Fuller) even a little more deeper. Watson also could keep the ball and run. Good blitzbeaters and very Kubiakian. They were very successful until the Chiefs adjusted and then they were still kinda successful. You may recall a couple of penalties for "lineman downfield" to which Fouts observed the linemen couldn't tell if it was going to be a run or a pass so, I don't think they've worked out all the kinks out yet.
It was kind of refreshing to see. Watson should not have to be confined to being a pocket passer 100% of the time...
And just like Kubiak they have hit the throw back deep post off the rollout 2 weeks in a row (or would have if Fuller caught it this past week). Putting that on film is almost not fair for a safety.
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