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Arky
09-25-2019, 04:33 PM
The 2-1 Texans host the 1-2 Carolina Panthers this Sunday in an early game at NRG stadium. The Panthers got their first win last week in a road game at Arizona, winning 38-20. Panther backup QB Kyle Allen impressed in place of Cam Newton and is expected to start against the Texans. The Texans got a road win last week at the LA Chargers 27-20.

This is the kind of game that the Texans cannot afford to lose - they are mostly healthy, they are at home and they are favored. I think the Texans can make Allen uncomfortable and limit RB Christian McCaffrey. I've got the Texans winning and covering the 4½ pts.

Texans 30, Panthers 20

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TV = FOX (channel 26 local), Sunday, noon, 9/29/2019

Announcers (https://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2019&wk=4) = Kenny Albert, Ronde Barber

The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Texans by 4 to 4½

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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:

CBS (early) = New England @ Buffalo, Ian Eagle, Dan Fouts

CBS (late) = Minnesota @ Chicago, Jim Nantz, Tony Romo

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Prime time:

TNF = Philadelphia @ Green Bay (FOX/NFLN)

SNF = Dallas @ New Orleans (NBC)

MNF = Cincinnati @ Pittsburgh (ESPN)

HPF Bob
09-25-2019, 09:25 PM
0-3 Cincy at 0-3 Pittsburgh - great matchup, ESPN.
Green Bay gets their second Thursday nighter in one month - who the heck drew up that schedule?

Back to the Texans, the real question is whether Kyle Allen is that good or Arizona sucks that bad. We'll know by about 3:00 pm Sunday.

nunusguy
09-29-2019, 11:01 AM
Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:

CBS (early) = New England @ Buffalo, Ian Eagle, Dan Fouts

CBS (late) = Minnesota @ Chicago, Jim Nantz, Tony Romo
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While local team is at home but has competition from another NFL game on the tube. That's not customary is it ?

Arky
09-29-2019, 12:22 PM
A little late..

No score with 4:55 left in the 1st qtr. Panthers ball at the their 41.

Arky
09-29-2019, 12:26 PM
Panthers going for a 48-yard FG.

J Slye is good.

Panthers 3, Texans 0

2:23 left in the 1st qtr.

Arky
09-29-2019, 12:35 PM
1st qtr ends with the Texans at the Panther 38 and Stills pulling up limping.

Arky
09-29-2019, 12:37 PM
Texans going for the 52-yard FG.

Fairbairn's kick is no good.

Panthers 3, Texans 0

13:35 left in the half.

Arky
09-29-2019, 12:43 PM
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While local team is at home but has competition from another NFL game on the tube. That's not customary is it ?

I think it has something to do with who has the "official" double-header. Since CBS has the double-header today and the Texans are on FOX, CBS is still guaranteed to show two games. Had the Texans been on CBS this weekend and therefore part of the double-header, there would be no competing game shown on FOX.

I think that is the way it works.... Wikipedia can explain it better than I can...

Arky
09-29-2019, 12:55 PM
Fairbairn is good from 37. Texans tie it up.

Texans 3, Panthers 3

7:59 left in the half.

Arky
09-29-2019, 01:04 PM
Mercilus strikes again! Strips the QB and the Texans fall on it.

Texans ball at the Panther 46 with 4:18 left in the half.

Arky
09-29-2019, 01:09 PM
Oy, bad trick play, Hopkins passing to Hyde is INT'ed. Panthers bring it back to their 46. Panther's ball with 2:16 left in the half.

Arky
09-29-2019, 01:16 PM
After the Texan turnover, the Panthers march down the field and McCaffrey punches it in from 3 yards out.

Panthers 10, Texans 3

1:08 left in the half.

chuck
09-29-2019, 01:19 PM
Bill O'Brien, offensive guru.

Arky
09-29-2019, 01:29 PM
First half ends with the Panthers still leading 10-3.

Texans winning the turnover battle 2-1 but 0-2 in the red zone.

Time of possession: Texans 18:07, Panthers 11:53

Arky
09-29-2019, 01:49 PM
Watson misses the deep ball to Hop.

Texans don't do much with the 2nd half kickoff and punt it away.

Panthers will start at their own 21.

12:22 left in the 3rd qtr.

Arky
09-29-2019, 01:52 PM
Big turnover! Watt strips Allen and recovers it at the Panther 18!

Texans ball!

Arky
09-29-2019, 01:55 PM
Watson keeps around left end for the 1-yard TD run!

Texans 10, Panthers 10

8:39 left in the 3rd qtr.

Arky
09-29-2019, 02:24 PM
3rd qtr ends with the Panthers driving and facing 3rd and 4 and the Texan 37.

Score remains:

Texans 10, Panthers 10

Watson not having a good day....

Arky
09-29-2019, 02:26 PM
Slye is good from 55. Panthers take the lead.

Panthers 13, Texans 10

14:55 left in the game.

Arky
09-29-2019, 03:04 PM
Critical strip of Watson leads to a turnover and the Panthers move the ball to set up a 26 yard FG with 31 seconds left.

Slye is good from 26.

Panthers 16, Texans 10

Texans with no timeouts.

28 seconds left in the game.

Arky
09-29-2019, 03:09 PM
Hail Mary goes unanswered.

Final score:

Panthers 16, Texans 10

What a stinker....

chuck
09-29-2019, 03:16 PM
I believe I'd rather go to church than watch this bullshit.

Arky
09-29-2019, 05:25 PM
I think the only thing worse than losing to a beatable Carolina team at home would be losing to the Raiders or Browns at home. A very contrary day around the NFL......

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The running game is fine. 22 rushes, 136 yards, 6.2 avg.

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OTOH, the passing game was only good for 160 yards, subtract 32 yards in sacks and it gives a net of 128 yards. Pretty pathetic by modern NFL standards..........

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Before the season started, I was thinking I'd take a split with the Panthers and Falcons coming in back-to-back. Lately, I was thinking maybe 2-0. Eheh. Beating the Falcons is now mandatory.....

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I'm not going to go into the coaching and QB problems. I think everyone can see the dysfunction for themselves..... I get so tired of hearing "we got to do better". (Well, then do better, a--hole! Get better or you will be looking for another job!)

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Next up, Atlanta Falcons. Early line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) has the Texans as a 3½ to 4 pt. favorite over the Falcons....

barrett
09-29-2019, 06:42 PM
What a terrible game. The OL goes back to being awful and Watson looks lost in the pocket multiple times while running into rushers who are behind him. No downfield passing game, and multiple times losing track of their one offensive weapon. A free home win given away.

HPF Bob
09-29-2019, 06:51 PM
A very contrary day around the NFL......

If misery loves company, 11 of the 13 road teams this week were winners so far. For what the fans pay for NFL tickets, there are a lot of pissed off season ticket holders around the league.

HPF Bob
09-29-2019, 07:04 PM
BTW, Texans are still tied for first in the division at 2-2 with... the entire division. The AFC South defines mediocrity or mendacity, choose your adjective.

A lot of injured quarterbacks in this league (which means another round of candy-assed "protect the quarterback" rules next year) so the Texans could benefit if they can somehow keep Watson healthy. Then again, Texans are 1-1 against backup quarterbacks so far.

I believe I'd rather go to church than watch this bullshit.

We'll be happy to have you, Chuck. Just hold down the swearing. We have some elderly folks with heart conditions.

painekiller
09-30-2019, 01:23 PM
Shock no one has started the fire Bill thread.

barrett
09-30-2019, 02:21 PM
Shock no one has started the fire Bill thread.

I think he's a decent offensive coach who got the most out of bad QBs. But we now have a QB who doesn't really function in the system. I don't think we need an offensive HC since Watson is going to Watson no matter what. He's shown little growth under BOB and still runs into awful plays on one down before making the whole league look foolish on the next down. And neither have much to do with BOB so what exactly is his function?

If our system and offensive staff are superfluous, then I'd prefer a defensive HC and a guy who can manage a game (challenges, clock, timeouts, not calling idiotic trick plays near the endzone). Or find an offensive guy who speaks Watson and can harness his gunslinging nature and get him to pick and choose when he goes off script.

So fire BOB.

painekiller
09-30-2019, 03:35 PM
I think he's a decent offensive coach who got the most out of bad QBs. But we now have a QB who doesn't really function in the system. I don't think we need an offensive HC since Watson is going to Watson no matter what. He's shown little growth under BOB and still runs into awful plays on one down before making the whole league look foolish on the next down. And neither have much to do with BOB so what exactly is his function?

If our system and offensive staff are superfluous, then I'd prefer a defensive HC and a guy who can manage a game (challenges, clock, timeouts, not calling idiotic trick plays near the endzone). Or find an offensive guy who speaks Watson and can harness his gunslinging nature and get him to pick and choose when he goes off script.

So fire BOB.

Are you looking for Jerry Glanville, he called the Stagger Lee, dumbest call ever in a game, and he reminds me of BOB, a head coach that is in the way of his talent.

I hate slow smash mouth football, OK Earl Campbell exception to that. Spread them out, and run the ball, and Wear them out. Bill seems to outsmart himself, over and over.

HPF Bob
09-30-2019, 04:02 PM
It was one way as long as McNair was in charge. The GM had to explain *why* a coach needed to be fired before he was fired. With Son of Bob owning the team and really nobody actually running the team, I don't know what momentum is needed to fire the coach. My guess is a 6-10 season may be enough.

chuck
09-30-2019, 06:42 PM
At least the Stagger Lee had the quarterback throwing the football.

painekiller
09-30-2019, 11:10 PM
At least the Stagger Lee had the quarterback throwing the football.

I guess most of us are old enough to remember that play. Dang we are all old.

How far back do you guys go back in Houston Football?

chuck
10-01-2019, 01:23 AM
How far back do you guys go back in Houston Football?

I have no idea how old barrett is but him aside, I'm pretty sure Keith and I are the youngest idiots in here. Which feels nice, let me tell you.

I go back to the Luv Ya Blue days.

HPF Bob
10-01-2019, 08:59 AM
My father had his kids sitting in end zone seats at Rice Stadium before the Oilers moved to the Astrodome. Watched Joe Namath get humiliated in his AFL debut in 1965. (note: I never watched a game in Jeppesen Stadium and never watched the Colt .45s in Colt Stadium). I remember the stench of cigar and cigarette smoke under the stands at Rice Stadium. I was a kid and I was watching live sports so it was all good.

This was the year that made me a football fan - watch how often defense and special teams made up for a relatively weak offense that had to trade for a starting QB after the first four weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLmaE3l8jzE

I was at all the home games.

Arky
10-01-2019, 12:06 PM
I had an uncle that would come get me and my dad on Sunday mornings and take us to Oiler games. He always had tickets (probably gratis). 1963-64 IIRC. The Astrodome was just a skeleton in those days.

Saw games in both Jeppesen and Rice stadiums. I can remember my uncle complaining about George Blanda in the shotgun formation (shotgun was considered "gimmicky" back in the day). I can remember a Chargers game. Of note was Lance Alworth (U of Ark), aka "Bambi". My dad and uncle were both Arkansas boys so they were taking notes. Alworth didn't so much as walk as kinda floated along.....a real light stepper. Probably the most graceful white-boy on the football field that I've ever seen...

Pretty sure we attended the AFL all-star game that was moved from New Orleans to Houston because of racial tensions. A very different era to be sure....

chuck
10-01-2019, 01:26 PM
Bob, did you spend your childhood in Houston?

HPF Bob
10-01-2019, 09:24 PM
Roughly the elementary school years (Spring Branch area) and high school (Inwood Forest). Graduated from Eisenhower H.S. Also spent one year at Univ. of Houston before transfering to Univ. of Texas.

chuck
10-01-2019, 09:40 PM
I did not know that. I would never in a million years have imagined that you grew up in Necktown much less that you went to high school at Eisenhower. I don't know why not. I guess I always imagined you were an Austin native.

Is Eisenhower even still a high school? I remember playing basketball games there when I was in high school. It was clearly going through a transitional period at that time, losing lots of students and changing demographics and so on.

painekiller
10-01-2019, 10:13 PM
My father had Oiler tickets all the way back to Jeppesen Stadium, and I do remember going to a Colt 45 game in the temporary stands in the Domes parking lot. My first memory of the Oilers is during the Pastorini, Lynn Dickey as the QB days. Somehow I have a foggy memory of Sid Gilman on the sideline at a game.

My becoming a football fan was when George Webster, Curly Culp and Elvin Bethea. Another memory was being mad when they traded Kenny Houston. Seemed back then all of our stars were traded away. But I regress.

So most of you have confirmed we are a lot of "Old Goats" in here.

barrett
10-02-2019, 08:52 AM
At just shy of 40 I'm definitely younger than the rest of you, but it encourages me to know my fandom will neither mellow nor grow wiser with age. Instead you bring me confidence I can stay the same miserable fan I am right now.

I was born in Massachusetts and football in particular and the Patriots in specific were totally irrelevant. Even the 1985 super bowl appearance was ignored. The Red Sox were king and the Celtics were close. The Bruins were a distant 3rd and the Patriots were ignored. So I had no actual favorite football team. Later in childhood I lived in Fresno California and fell in love with all things Fresno State. I held onto that even after moving to Texas in the mid 90s for High School.

In 2001 I moved to Houston 2 months before the Texans kicked off against the Cowboys. David Carr was my favorite ever Bulldog and the first draft pick. It felt ordained for me to love the Texans as Carr became the greatest player ever.

The opening win over the hated cowboys only confirmed the greatness of Carr and my lifetime commitment to the Texans. Neither of those things has worked out like I thought.

HPF Bob
10-02-2019, 02:46 PM
My becoming a football fan was when George Webster, Curly Culp and Elvin Bethea. Another memory was being mad when they traded Kenny Houston. Seemed back then all of our stars were traded away. But I regress.

So most of you have confirmed we are a lot of "Old Goats" in here.

George Webster was a holy terror when he came to Houston out of Michigan St. He was the Lawrence Taylor of his day. However, he blew out a knee in about his third or fourth year and was just a shell of himself after that. This was before the days of arthroscopic surgeries. Webster was named to the AFL All-Time team despite only playing in the AFL for three years (1967-69).

My friend, the late Dr. Bill McCurdy, was a champion for the Houston Sports Museum which had a home on the bottom floor of the Fingers Furniture Store on Cullen before it was torn down (home plate from Buffs Stadium was there at the exact location where home plate at Buffs Stadium once was). I got to tour the museum and among all the baseball memorabilia was a pair of size 19-1/2 playing shoes donated by Elvin Bethea. Bet that impressed a lot of ladies. The museum exhibits are in storage somewhere.

HPF Bob
10-02-2019, 03:15 PM
Is Eisenhower even still a high school? I remember playing basketball games there when I was in high school. It was clearly going through a transitional period at that time, losing lots of students and changing demographics and so on.

Eisenhower was the Aldine ISD's answer to school integration lawsuits of the late '60s and early '70s. They took white students from Aldine HS and black students from Carver HS and put them in Eisenhower so they could tell federal judges they weren't "prejudiced" (the word "racist" thankfully was not part of the vernacular in those days).

To expedite this, it spent it's first few years as a combined junior high and senior high with different wings for each level so as to minimize high school boys, um, "integrating" with junior high girls.

By and large, the black and white kids self-segregated but they didn't create racial trouble like many of the parents thought we would. We all got along okay.

I remember the school had no "fight song" the first year so the marching band played the slow dirge-like alma mater song after every touchdown (which were few). I wish I could have suggested the band learn to play "Henry the VIII" from Herman's Hermits and just re-invent the lyrics. Heck, there's a major university up the road who is unashamed to play "I've Been Working On The Railroad" after every game.

The Inwood Forest area was thoroughly flooded out when Tropical Storm Allison hit. I have no idea how well it survived Harvey and Imelda but Allison destroyed the golf course and knocked out bridges so there became only one way in or out of large parts of the subdivision.

HPF Bob
10-02-2019, 03:23 PM
I was born in Massachusetts and football in particular and the Patriots in specific were totally irrelevant. Even the 1985 super bowl appearance was ignored. The Red Sox were king and the Celtics were close. The Bruins were a distant 3rd and the Patriots were ignored. So I had no actual favorite football team.

Thank God you're not a Patriots fan or you'd be insufferable.

barrett
10-02-2019, 03:40 PM
Thank God you're not a Patriots fan or you'd be insufferable.

Thank you Bob. I barely escape insufferable without the Patriots so I'm glad to avoid them.

I left when I was 7 so I honestly don't love any of the Boston teams anymore. The Astros are my overall favorite professional team simply because I share them with my son. Because of that I actively root against the Red Sox.

I love the Texans during football season and I get miserable when they lose. But happy miserable. For some reason I enjoy rooting for a loser far more than for a team that wins all the time.

chuck
10-02-2019, 08:44 PM
For some reason I enjoy rooting for a loser far more than for a team that wins all the time.

Well, you've clearly found your ideal team. And I will say that I am definitely a more mellow fan all the way around than I was ten years ago. Or even five years ago. Wiser? Obviously not.

chuck
10-02-2019, 08:44 PM
Thank God you're not a Patriots fan or you'd be insufferable.

If he were a Patriots fan he most likely would not be on this board.

HPF Bob
10-02-2019, 11:47 PM
If he were a Patriots fan he most likely would not be on this board.

Perhaps. The Broncos board I attend (now THAT is a miserable place this year) has three (count 'em) three very public Patriots fans and a fourth that turns into a Brady worshipper every January.

I loathe people who think it's their duty to visit boards of other teams just to troll and talk trash but this board tolerates the Pats fans plus one resident Raiders fan and a resident Chiefs fan. Go to your own fan board if you want to gloat about how great your team is - don't pollute someone else's lawn.

(Disclaimer: I have visited fan boards of other teams but just to read their post-game meltdowns, not to join and shitpost. It is fun to read comments when a team blows a big lead like those Oiler playoff teams of yore.)

Keith
10-03-2019, 12:59 AM
I have no idea how old barrett is but him aside, I'm pretty sure Keith and I are the youngest idiots in here. Which feels nice, let me tell you.

I go back to the Luv Ya Blue days.
Ha, I guess so. Luv Ya Blue days as well. Houston Oilers Number One was my jam. On vinyl.

Probably earliest Oilers game memory I still have was the road playoff loss to the Raiders in 1980. Can't tell if I truly remember games before then firsthand or if I just remember it from watching highlights over the years. I mean, aside from knowing Bum and Earl in the late 70s - and who didn't back then - that was the earliest game I still remember, though I moved to Spring the winter of 78/79 I think. Anyway, in the '80 wild card, Raiders pulled away in the 4th, and my dad took me out for ice cream before it was over. Bum's last game iirc.

Little did I know then that there is not enough ice cream in the world for coping with 35-3 and Frank Reich some 13 years later.

P.S. I was at Alameda County Coliseum for an A's-Rays game earlier this summer. Place is a time warp back to the 80s. I kinda dug it. Not many multi-purpose stadiums like that left anymore. Nostalgia is a dangerous thing.

Warren
10-03-2019, 07:21 PM
Ha, I guess so. Luv Ya Blue days as well. Houston Oilers Number One was my jam. On vinyl.

Probably earliest Oilers game memory I still have was the road playoff loss to the Raiders in 1980. Can't tell if I truly remember games before then firsthand or if I just remember it from watching highlights over the years. I mean, aside from knowing Bum and Earl in the late 70s - and who didn't back then - that was the earliest game I still remember, though I moved to Spring the winter of 78/79 I think. Anyway, in the '80 wild card, Raiders pulled away in the 4th, and my dad took me out for ice cream before it was over. Bum's last game iirc.

Little did I know then that there is not enough ice cream in the world for coping with 35-3 and Frank Reich some 13 years later.

P.S. I was at Alameda County Coliseum for an A's-Rays game earlier this summer. Place is a time warp back to the 80s. I kinda dug it. Not many multi-purpose stadiums like that left anymore. Nostalgia is a dangerous thing.
This thread brought me out of my lurkerhood. I guess I'm another "young" idiot. I was in elementary school for Luv ya Blue, and remember the excitement that was in the air more than the actual games. My family got Oiler season tickets starting around 1984 -- after the Ed Biles and Chuck Studley eras, there wasn't exactly a waiting list. That's when I really started getting into the Oilers and the NFL and obsessed over any crumb of information that I could find about the team, which was usually limited to John McClain's daily notebook in the paper. Like everybody else I went through the rollercoaster ride/soap opera until they left town. Personally, the loss to Montana and the Chiefs was more disappointing than the Buffalo game because that team was on such a roll. I remember on the ride home we were all just numb.