View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Jaguars Game Thread, 12/18/2016
It's Week 15 and the 2-11 Jacksonville Jaguars come to NRG for a noon Sunday game. The Jags haven't won a game in 2 months but they've been close a number of times this year. Six of their losses have been by 7 or less points. QB Blake Bortles has thrown for 3187 yards and completes 58.7% of his passes. He's thrown for 21 TDs, 15 INTs and has a 77.9 rating. The Jag running game consists of TJ Yeldon (432 yds, 3.6 avg), Chris Ivory (350 yds, 3.8 avg), Denard Robinson (127 yds, 3.4 avg) and Bortles himself (336 yds, 6.7 avg). Leading targets in the passing game are Marqise Lee (728 yds), Allen Robinson (639 yds), Allen Hurns (477 yds), Julius Thomas (281 yds) and Yeldon (278 yds) out of the backfield. The Jags defense has the interesting dichotomy of being a respectable 5th overall allowing 316.4 yds/gm but 27th allowing 26 points/gm. The Jags are coming off a 25-16 home loss to the Vikings.
The Texans won a road game last week beating the Indianapolis Colts 22-17. They need a win to help their chances of winning the AFC South. The Texans won the first meeting this year @Jacksonville, 24-21.
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TV = CBS (channel 11 local), noon CST, Sunday 12-18-2016
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2016&wk=15) = Andrew Catalon, Steve Beuerlein, Steve Tasker
The Line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Texans by 6
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
CBS (late) = New England @ Denver, Jim Nantz, Phil Simms
FOX (late) = New Orleans @ Arizona, Chris Myers, Ronde Barber
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Prime time:
TNF = Los Angeles @ Seattle (NBC; NFLN)
Saturday Night = Miami @ NY Jets (NFLN)
SNF = Tampa Bay @ Dallas (NBC)
MNF = Carolina @ Washington (ESPN)
Pendergast on Texans vs. Jags (http://www.houstonpress.com/news/nfl-week-15-jaguars-texans-four-things-to-watch-for-9021608)
If there's one thing Bill O'Brien does well, it's beat the snot out of Jacksonville, 5-0 straight up and 4-1 against the spread in his time here as head coach. Let's look at some wrinkles for this Sunday...
nunusguy
12-16-2016, 05:51 PM
We are so beat up I don't know if we can field a complete team for this game ? Fido is turning into a poor mans Gronc but he's out and our best LB Mercilus is also unlikley to play. It doesn't look good.
We are so beat up I don't know if we can field a complete team for this game ? Fido is turning into a poor mans Gronc but he's out and our best LB Mercilus is also unlikley to play. It doesn't look good.
Which, I surmise is the reason the line has fallen to Texans by 3.5 - I find that disturbing... Not a good sign... I'm sure hoping the Texans show up with their game faces on but the first time they beat Indy, they went up to Denver and laid an egg losing 27-9. Different conditions, of course, on the road, etc. but the game tomorrow/today is a very real let down situation for the Texans.... add in the injuries....
Could be worse, I suppose. Could be playing in KC where the high tomorrow is a balmy 12ºF.....
nunusguy
12-18-2016, 11:04 AM
Which, I surmise is the reason the line has fallen to Texans by 3.5 - I find that disturbing... Not a good sign... I'm sure hoping the Texans show up with their game faces on but the first time they beat Indy, they went up to Denver and laid an egg losing 27-9. Different conditions, of course, on the road, etc. but the game tomorrow/today is a very real let down situation for the Texans.... add in the injuries....
Could be worse, I suppose. Could be playing in KC where the high tomorrow is a balmy 12ºF.....
Temperatures across the Kansas City area at 4 a.m. ranged from minus-2 to minus-12 degrees. Add in the wind chills, and it felt like minus-30 degrees in some areas.
And the temperatures still had a few more degrees to drop before sunrise. By 7 a.m., Kansas City hit minus-9 degrees, tying the third-coldest reading this century.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article121627317.html#storylink=cpy
Mariota, a Hawaiian boy, has surely never experienced those kinds of conditions in his lifetime so if he and his Titans teammates can beat the Chiefs in those weather conditions they deserve to win the AFC South which I think they will do if they win today.
Texan inactives (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Mercilus-Fiedorowicz-among-Texans-inactives/6c3a268a-292d-47a3-95b8-1207d3cd8f38):
5- QB Brandon Weeden
20- S Don Jones
24- CB Johnathan Joseph
51- OLB John Simon
59- OLB Whitney Mercilus
79- G Jeff Allen
87- TE C.J. Fiedorowicz
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Shabazz was cut to make room for Brennan Scarlett (active).
Interesting that Wendall Williams is also active.
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Texans in battle red today. I think it's red tops, white bottoms but heard a rumor it might be blue bottoms.....
Jags win the toss and defer, Texans to receive.
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Opening kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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Short pass to Griffin good for about 9.
L Miller for 2 or 3 and the 1st down.
L Miller caught for a loss of 1. Brings up 2nd and 11.
Sweep to Williams goes for a couple. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Pass to Griffin goes for 7. Texans will have to punt on 4th and 2.
Jags fair catch the punt at their 8 yard line. Jag's ball.
11:48 left in the 1st qtr.
Yeldon for 3.
Pass to Ellis goes for maybe 1. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Walters is broken up, inc. Jags will have to punt.
Fuller brings the punt back to the Texan 32. Texan's ball.
10:15 left in the 1st qtr.
L Miller for 5.
Oz rolls out and can't find a receiver and throws it away, inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Sideline pass to Fuller good for about 7 and the 1st down.
L Miller carries for 3. Ball at the Texan 47.
L Miller for just 2. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Oz pressured, throws off the mark to Anderson, inc. Texans to punt.
Jags fair catch the punt at their 9 yard line. Jag's ball.
7:36 left in the 1st qtr.
Chiefs 7, Titans 0
Ravens 7, Eagles 0
Giants 7, Lions 0
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Ivory gets about 4.
Ivory for 3. Brings up 3rd and 3.
Sack by Clowney! Loss back at the Jag 5 yard line. Jags will have to punt.
Fuller and Williams muff the punt but Williams gets it back to the 18 yard line. Texan's ball.
Ball marked at the Texan 18.
Blue for 1.
Pass to Anderson in the flat off the mark, inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Screen to Grimes gets about 7.... Texans will have to punt.
Jags bring the punt back to their 36. Jag's ball.
4:12 left in the 1st qtr.
Pass to Yeldon goes for 3.
Yeldon carries for 5. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Pass to Sterling good for 14 and the 1st down.
Ivory goes left side for 17. Ball at the Texan 25.
Ivory for 1.
Pass to Lee in the end zone goes incomplete. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Pass to Walters good for 17 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 13.
Bortles is sacked by Clowney! Loss of 6!
End of the 1st qtr.
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On 2nd and 16, pass to Robinson gets 6.
On 3rd and 10, there are flags presnap...... false start Jags, -5. Makes it 3rd and 15 coming up.
Screen to Yeldon gets about 8. Jags going for the FG.
Myers 26-yarder is good.
Jags 3, Texans 0
13:36 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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Dump off over the middle to L Miller goes for 16. A Jag (Colvin) injured on the play. Injury timeout.
Oy, Oz's pass is off the hands of Fuller and INT'ed by the Jags. Jags return it to the Texan 25. Jag's ball.
Ivory for 4.
Bortles pressured, throws off the mark, inc. 3rd and 6 coming up. A Jag (Poutasi) injured on the play....
On 3rd and 6, Bortles pressured again and escapes but still loses a yard. Jags to go for the FG.
Myers 40-yarder is good but a flag is down... holding on the Jags backs it up 10... Rekick.
Myers 50-yarder is good.
Jags 6, Texans 0
11:24 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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Hunt carries for 7, fumbles but gets it back.
Blue for 4 or 5 but holding on the Texans backs it up 10. Makes it 2nd and 14 coming up.
Oz starts to scramble but pulls up and throws the INT. Jag's ball.
Big Texas
12-18-2016, 12:57 PM
Time to sit him down
Ball at the Texan 38.
Pass to Ivory is inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Yeldon carries for 3. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Deep pass to Robinson goes inc but they're going to get Bouye for PI. Places the ball at the Texan 3.
Ivory to the 1 yard line. 2nd and goal coming up.
Bortles rolls out and keeps it for the TD.
Jags 13, Texans 0
8:32 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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Savage in at QB.
L Miller for 9.
L Miller for 8.
Savage pressured, rolls out and throws it away, inc. Flag is down...holding on the Jags, 5 yards and an auto 1st down.
L Miller for 4.
Deep pass to Williams good for 32 yards. Ball at the Jag 16.
End around to Fuller gets blown up, loss of 3.
L Miller for 5. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Savage pressured, throws it away, inc. Flag is down! Holding on Jags, 5 yards and an auto 1st down. 1st and goal at the 9.
Hunt takes it to the 2 yard line. 4 minutes left in the half.
Hunt fumbles as he hits paydirt but the refs rule TD.... Replay shows Hunt jumping on the fumble along with a Jag..... Under review......
Refs rule Texans ball at the ½ yard line....OK...
On 3rd and goal, L Miller carries for no gain. Texans going for it.
Jump ball to Hop doesn't work, inc. Jags take over on downs at the 1 yard line.
2:36 left in the half.
popanot
12-18-2016, 01:18 PM
WTF! Lamar Miller can't a tough yard if his life depended on it and O'Brien is MFing idiot. Unbelievable.
Yeldon for 3. A Jag down on the play (Parnell).
2 minute warning.
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Deep pass to Lee is caught but out of bounds so inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Bortles pass is deflected and falls inc. Jags will have to punt with 1:49 left in the half. Texans should get good field position....
Fuller brings the punt back to the Jag 42 but flags are down. I think it's going to be roughing the kicker on the Texans..... Nope! Holding on the offense results in a safety! 2 pts for the Texans and they will get the kickoff....
Jaguars 13, Texans 2
1:35 left in the half.
Williams shaken up on the previous play....
Jags "punt off".... Fuller brings it back to the Texan 38. Texan's ball.
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Pass to Griffin goes for 18.
Pass to Hop goes for 13. Ball at the Jag 31.
Savage pressured, throws towards Grimes but inc. 2nd and 10 coming up with 1:12 left in the half.
Quick screen to Fuller goes for 4. Texans use a timeout with 1:06 left in the half.
Pass to Hop gets almost 6 yards. Ball about a yard short of the 1st down. 4th and 1 coming up...... Texans to go for the FG.
Novak's 39-yarder is good.
Jags 13, Texans 5
49 seconds left in the half.
Jags down the ensuing kickoff in the end zone, touchback. Jag's ball at their 25.
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Yeldon for 1.
Dump off to Yeldon gets 8.
Time expires.
Halftime.
Jags 13, Texans 5
2nd half kickoff is a touchback. Jag's ball at their 25.
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Ivory for 5.
Bortles rolls out and can't find a receiver and chunks it away, inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to Robinson good for 9 and the 1st down.
Pass to Yeldon gets 4.
Ivory for 1. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Bortles pass is caught but out of bounds, inc. Jags will have to punt.
Fuller fair catches the punt but flags are down.... offsetting penalties so re-kick..
Fuller fair catches at the Texan 16. Texan's ball.
12:16 left in the 3rd qtr.
popanot
12-18-2016, 02:06 PM
Savage actually looks competent.
L Miller for 3.
L Miller for about 11 and the 1st down.
Pass over the middle to Griffin goes for 23.
L Miller gets almost 3.... 2nd and 8 coming up.
Pass to Hop gets the 1st down at the Jag 32.
L Miller caught for a loss of 1. 2nd and 11 coming up.
Flags presnap. False start Fuller, -5. Makes it 2nd and 16.
Savage can't find a receiver and throws it away, inc. 3rd and 16 coming up.
Savage uses a timeout (#1) with 7:51 left in the 3rd qtr.
Pass to Mumph gets 11. Texans going for the FG.
Novak's 45-yarder is good.
Jags 13, Texans 8
7:02 left in the 3rd qtr.
The ensuing kickoff is taken by Lee all the way for a TD. 100 yards.
Flag on the Jags for unsportmanlike conduct after the TD. Will be assessed on the ensuing kickoff.
Jags 20, Texans 8
6:50 left in the 3rd qtr.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the Jag 49 but a flag is down.....holding on Cory Moore places the ball at the Texan 24.
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L Miller for 5.
L Miller for 1. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Savage's pass is knocked down, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Nice tackle by Hunt on the punt. Jag's ball at their 10.
5:07 left in the 3rd qtr.
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How 'bout airing it out a little more, OB? L Miller up the gut is getting really stale...
Yeldon goes right side for 12.
Ivory for no gain. Flag down....I saw a Jag throw a punch.... roughness on the Jag ½ the distance to the goal. Ball placed at the Jag 10. 2nd and 21 coming up.
Clowney bats down Bortles pass, inc. 3rd and 21 coming up.
Screen to Yeldon gets 11. Jags will have to punt.
Fuller fair catches at the Texan 30. Texan's ball with 3:26 left in the 3rd qtr.
Pass to Hop gets 9.
Grimes for 3 and the 1st down.
Checkdown to Grimes gets 4.
Deep ball to Hop too long, inc. Brings up 3rd and 6.
Pass to Fuller is caught for 22 yards. Nice bobbling catch.....
Flat pass to Anderson goes for 7.
On 2nd and 3, deep pass to Hop in the end zone, can't hang on, inc.....
Pass to Hop is off the mark then broken up, inc. 4th and 3 coming up... Texans going for the FG.
Novak's 43-yarder is good.
Jags 20, Texans 11
11 seconds left in the 3rd qtr.
Jags bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 29. Jag's ball.
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Ivory for 6.
End of the 3rd qtr.
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On 2nd and 4, Yeldon gets 2. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Bortles pass can't find a home, inc. Jags will have to punt.
Fuller brings the punt back to the Texan 32. Texan's ball.
13:59 left in the game.
chuck
12-18-2016, 02:40 PM
Savage looks better than Bambi ever looked. Which of course brings into sharper relief the total incompetence of this disgraceful organization.
Pass to Griffin gets 7.
L Miller for 4 and the 1st down.
Deep pass to Fuller goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Savage's pass nearly INT'ed at the sideline but inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Hop gets 12 and the 1st down.
Flea-flicker pass goes inc.
Pass to Hop over the middle gets a 1st down at the Jag 29.
Checkdown to Blue gets 4.
Pass to Griffin goes to the 9 yard line but a flag is down... Griffin with the offensive PI..... Makes it 2nd and 16 coming up.
Quick hitter to Hop gets 12. 3rd and 4 coming up. 9:50 left in the game.
Pass to Hop gets the 1st down at the 16 yard line of the Jags.
Pass to Griffin gets 8.
Pass to Fuller is broken up, inc. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Jeez, L Miller trips over Aboushi. Texans going for the FG.
Novak's 27-yarder is good.
Jags 20, Texans 14
7:54 left in the game.
Nconroe
12-18-2016, 02:49 PM
go Savage. looking like a QB.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Jag's ball at their 25.
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Screen to Yeldon gets 5 but a flag is down.... holding on the Jags makes it 1st and 20.
Yeldon caught for a loss by Clowney. Loss of 2.
Pass to Koyack gets 2. 3rd and 20 coming up.
Koyack wasn't looking and Bortles pass bounces off him inc. Jags have to punt.
Fuller gets the punt back to the Texan 48. Texan's ball with 5:47 left in the game.
Outlet pass to Griffin gets 4.
Pass to Fuller gets a 1st down at the Jag 38.
Savage takes off and gains 3.
Pass to Hop along the sideline too tall, inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Savage pressured, throws in the direction of Hop..... draws the PI on the Jags. 1st down.
Pass to Griffin gets 8. Ball at the Jag 17.
On 2nd and 2, dump to L Miller goes to the 7 yard line. 1st and goal.
Savage throws too tall to Hop in the end zone, inc. 2nd and goal coming up.
Pass off the hands of Griffin but flag is down......PI on the Jags. 1st and goal at the 1.
Miller punches it in!
Penalty on the Jags for roughing the kicker on the extra point. Will be assessed on the kickoff.
Texans 21, Jags 20
2:51 left in the game.
Big Texas
12-18-2016, 03:10 PM
So far Savage is simply making the throws that any starting QB in the league SHOULD make...He still takes shots towards DHOP without throwing picks...
Interesting press conference upcoming...
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Jag's ball at their 25 with all three timeouts.
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Bortles pass to Robinson goes inc but a flag on Bouye for holding. 5 yards and an auto 1st down.
Pass to Walters gets 15. Ball at the Jag 45.
Pass to Robinson along the sideline is inc. 2nd and 10 coming up. 2:09 left in the game.
Pass to Robinson goes inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Bortles uses a timeout (#1).
Flags presnap. False start Jags, -5. 3rd and 15 coming up.
Bortles throws a short pass but it can't a home. Brings up 4th and 15.
2 minute warning.
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On 4th and 15, Bortles is caught in the grasp and throws inc. Texans takeover on downs.
Big Texas
12-18-2016, 03:23 PM
Idiot...get off the field...
L Miller for 2. 1:45 left in the game. Jags use timeout #2.
L Miller for no gain. Jags use their last timeout. 1:40 left in the game.
On 3rd and 7, L Miller loses 2. L Miller injured on the play, stops the clock with 1:20 left in the game. Texans are going to punt.
Punt is downed by the Texans at the Jag 7. Jag's ball with 1:10 left in the game.
Bortles pass is INT'ed by Demps! Texans ball!
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Texans kneeling it.
Final score:
Texans 21, Jags 20
Whew!
A new QB in the Cincinnati game?
chuck
12-18-2016, 03:32 PM
Interesting press conference upcoming...
Someone should ask him why the hell BO has been playing when Savage is clearly better. Someone should also ask him why, if he's such a quarterback guru, why is he always benching the hand-picked starting quarterback?
Despite the key injuries the defense is damn near championship quality. Get the key guys back and have a decent draft (I know, I know) and the defense could be absolutely outrageous.
Now we'll have to see if the organization is competent enough to stick with Savage. I'll believe it when it happens.
Jags fire Bradley (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000759029/article/gus-bradley-fired-by-jacksonville-jaguars)
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Savage had 3 completions for 20+ yards today. It's been so long since that has occurred...
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For a while, it looked like both the Texans and Titans would lose and Indy would win. All 3 ended up winning...
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Beginning to look like there may be a showdown with the Titans in the final game. FiveThirtyEight (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nfl-predictions/) has added a choose-your-own-scenario. Click on the boxes to see odds change.. Looks like the Texans could lose to Cincy but it would then be mandatory to beat the Titans if they want to win the division. Titans will most likely beat the Jags which still makes for the showdown game and if the Titans win out, there in..... I'm smelling a flex game here.....
Keith
12-18-2016, 08:06 PM
It's not even like Savage was really that good today. He was about average, if even that... and yet so much better than anything we've seen from Osweiler over the last two months or more.
The cellophane has been torn on Savage... time to leave him in for the remainder of the season. Nice to see the quicker release. And the OL somehow looks better with Savage back there too, imagine that.
Akeem Hunt is getting opportunities, which I like. But he has to be more careful with the ball.
Clowney is really fulfilling his potential this season. A shame he doesn't have J.J. Watt on the line with him. This is a terrific defense without Watt... I feel cheated out of seeing just how good it might have been had we had Watt, Johnson, Simon, etc healthy this season.
Credit to the Titans for pulling off the win over the Chiefs on the road in December. That's legit.
Early line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) has the Texans as a 2½ pt favorite over the Bengals next Saturday night....
HPF Bob
12-18-2016, 11:41 PM
Savage has always been a good relief pitcher. I'd probably start Ozzy next Saturday but with a short leash. The pressure to win to keep his job may be the best thing for him.
I honestly thought Tennessee would lose last week or this week. Now, even though the Texans have the tiebreaker, it could boil down to New Years Day in Hicksville having to stop that 1-2 punch of Murray and Henry. Winner gets the title. Believe it or not, the runner-up in the AFC South has an outside chance at still being the #6 seed if it all breaks right.
8-6 and seemingly all with mirrors. They could be 9-7 and miss the playoffs altogether.
Nconroe
12-19-2016, 12:15 AM
heck, i thought Savage did pretty good, especially considering he hasnt played a real game in 2 years. i think Savage should definitely start next two games.
pretty good coming back down by 13 to win.
and, our FG kicker has won the last two games. way to go.
nunusguy
12-19-2016, 07:22 AM
Watching the Texans in the second half yesterday it almost looked like a different offense than the rest of the year as I saw a series or two where they thru the ball on consecutive plays and hey they thru it downfield. I thought "who is that team " ? I thought Savage was exceptional given he hadn't played in the regular season since last year and came off of the bench cold with no real preparation and brought us all the way back.
popanot
12-19-2016, 08:35 AM
No way, no how should Big Bird start next week. It wasn't only the INTs that got him benched. It was his inaccuracy. Look at the tape and the guy was throwing ducks all over the field. Has been all year. Sure, Savage had some not so great moments, but he won and moved the offense. He was way more accurate, lead his receivers, put the ball in position where only the offensive player could make the play, and most importantly, was able to use the field outside the hash marks. Big bird only has the ability to use the middle of the field and can't even do that well. You can tell the whole team was rejuvenated when Savage came in - especially the WRs and especially DHop. I say if you're going to go down in flames, you go down with Savage because you know darn well at this point you'll lose with Big Bird at the helm. Time to move on.
HPF Bob
12-19-2016, 12:45 PM
It seemed clear the crowd was energized when Savage came in. That should tell you a lot.
popanot
12-19-2016, 01:09 PM
From a PFF article: "Osweiler is currently 35th in the PFF QB rankings with a grade of 40.9".
That's out of a 32 team league. Unfortunately, the guy is trash and is not going to get any better. I just do not see how anyone can justify this guy playing. I don't feel sorry for him and I don't think he should get another start. He's had his chance - and he's also taking it to the bank.
Radio saying Las Vegas has the Titans favored at 55% to win the division, Texans at 45% to win the division. Note, Vegas usually bases things on "public perception"..... The Titans have beaten KC and Denver in the last two weeks and are indeed "hot"....
FiveThirtyEight (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nfl-predictions/) is a little kinder (using whatever formula they use) having the Texans at 55% and the Titans at 42% to win the division.
Whatever, it looks like the Titans & Texans are destined to solve it in a showdown in Week 17. On the road, @Tennessee. It will be a playoff game for the playoffs. Our "new QB" has one more preparation game (Cincy) to shake off the rust and find some chemistry with the receivers....
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Texan defense is now #1 (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2016&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG) in yds/gm allowed. Of course that isn't the full picture...... They're 12th in pts allowed with 21 given up per game. Getting Mercilus back will help. JJo? Hope he's ready for the Titans game....
popanot
12-19-2016, 02:04 PM
Whatever, it looks like the Titans & Texans are destined to solve it in a showdown in Week 17. On the road, @Tennessee. It will be a playoff game for the playoffs. Our "new QB" has one more preparation game (Cincy) to shake off the rust and find some chemistry with the receivers.I think TENN is still the one on the hot seat. They need to win out regardless. We just need to win 1 of our last 2, if I'm not mistaken. Of course, they have a much better schedule since they play a crap Jags team in shambles and then us at home. I'm hoping the Jags bench Bortles this next game. The guy is a mess.
nunusguy
12-19-2016, 02:51 PM
I think TENN is still the one on the hot seat. They need to win out regardless. We just need to win 1 of our last 2, if I'm not mistaken. Of course, they have a much better schedule since they play a crap Jags team in shambles and then us at home. I'm hoping the Jags bench Bortles this next game. The guy is a mess.
True because they have to win both games and we don't. They can't take their eyes off of the Jags this weekend.
Who knows how the Jags will come out next week ? Very likely depressed and flat after losing their HC but maybe the interim coach (whoever that is ?) will get them fired up and they will be at home ?
Video - Every Tom Savage throw (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000759177/Every-Tom-Savage-throw-from-Week-15) - about 4 minutes.
Hop really should have had the pass in the endzone about half way through the video... Not the 4th and 1 pass, a deep ball thrown later in the game....
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Tom Savage currently featured on the front page of NFL.com.
Tom Savage over Brock Osweiler: The right move for the Texans (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000759724/article/bill-obrien-must-stick-with-tom-savage-over-brock-osweiler) by Adam Schein.
Nconroe
12-19-2016, 07:17 PM
Amazing with all the injuries the defense is in first place. I think points,allowed is a function of field position and turnovers by offense.
Also, I think the way Texans win is slightly misstatements above. If either team ends up at 10-6 they win the division. If both teams end up at 9-7 the Texans win. If either team looses both, the other team wins.
chuck
12-20-2016, 12:29 AM
It seemed clear the crowd was energized when Savage came in. That should tell you a lot.
Who cares how a bunch of drunk rednecks react? These are the same dumbasses who cheered their own player getting injured.
Savage has always been a good relief pitcher. I'd probably start Ozzy next Saturday but with a short leash.
Always? Always meaning the one time he entered the game when Fitzpatrick got injured back in 2014? Or the other time, a couple of games before, when he entered in a blowout and didn't throw a pass? WTF are you talking about?
Never mind the fact that you are literally the only person on the internet (other than Titans fans) who thinks BO should start much less ever play again, ever. In response to Keith, I don't know how good Savage was or is, but I know that we all saw a totally different offense with him in the game to what we've seen with Brock all year.
We've all seen the stats, the ones that insist that BO is bottom three in any meaningful passing metric you want to look at. The ones that insist that he is 99 out of 100 all time at his age with X number of attempts. Those numbers are gruesome. The eye test is worse. I don't know why he's so terrible and I don't know why BOB can't fix him and at this point I don't care. The Texans have an elite defense and a good to very good running game and an OL that looks a hell of a lot better all of a sudden. If Savage had been playing all along providing league average production the team would be fighting with the Patriots for home field advantage.
I can't wait for next year. BO will be the most expensive backup in the history of the league and that vile, reptilian owner and his fking ass licking lapdog will have to sit there together every single game a stew in their own watery shit.
Anyway, if what we saw Sunday is indicative of what Savage can deliver then I am suddenly a lot more optimistic about making the playoffs and actually being competitive once we get there. I agree with Chris Simms, with Savage the Texans can beat anyone in the AFC save New England.
HPF Bob
12-20-2016, 09:44 AM
Always? Always meaning the one time he entered the game when Fitzpatrick got injured back in 2014? Or the other time, a couple of games before, when he entered in a blowout and didn't throw a pass? WTF are you talking about?
Chuck, I'm speaking of his 4th quarter comebacks in the exhibition season when he calmly marched future insurance salesmen and sanitation engineers down the field to beat teams like the Broncos, Saints and Cowboys when it didn't matter. O'Foulmouth's record in August would look a lot worse without him.
Never mind the fact that you are literally the only person on the internet (other than Titans fans) who thinks BO should start much less ever play again, ever.
It's called 'protecting your investment'. Osweiler has an NFL won-loss record of 13-8. That might look attractive to a team like the Browns, Jets or 49ers. Maybe you would be happy to eat $36 million on a bad investment but I'd give him a short leash on Saturday to get his mojo back and then let Savage play if Osweiler doesn't get off to a hot start.
If he stinks, you fall back on "he was hiding an injury and we didn't want opponents to know".
Well, I don't know much about reptilian lapdogs, but Savage has certainly created a stir, not so much around Houston but the whole NFL. It's rare that our little burg of 6 million gets so much national attention. Tongues have been wagging about the Texans on ESPN, NFLN and NFL.com the last couple of days. Merrill Hoge, on one of those late-night ESPN/NFL programs, spoke very glowingly of Savage after watching the game tape (vs. Jags) and just about everyone seems to be endorsing the switch....
I think for us fans, he (Savage) represents hope. He didn't suck too bad in his "debut", so there's hope he can keep it going. I think a few have already mentioned how the offense looked completely different with Savage in the game. He's going to have a bad or not very productive day eventually, but we can hope that happens sometime next year.....
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Brock doesn't exactly strike me as a Mensa member and you don't have to be to be a football player. QB is a little different though, as there is a certain amount of "snap" and leadership needed to play the position. It's a mystery to me how his skills have declined..... he seems to struggle with throwing an intermediate pass in the general vicinity of the receiver and with a deep ball, forget it. He used to could make a few of these. So, if he's not hiding an injury, one has to conclude that he's become a little mental about things (at least, that's my conclusion)...... Since he's probably going to be on the roster next year, the break should serve him well....
popanot
12-20-2016, 11:05 AM
Maybe you would be happy to eat $36 million on a bad investment but I'd give him a short leash on Saturday to get his mojo back and then let Savage play if Osweiler doesn't get off to a hot start.
If he stinks, you fall back on "he was hiding an injury and we didn't want opponents to know".Big Bird has been exposed. There is not a team in this league dumb enough to eat that contract. Well, maybe the Browns, but any team exec in their right mind, save for Rick Smith, would take Kessler right now over Big Bird. As for his mojo, he can't find something he never had. The guy is just plain awful. His record is mostly based on great defense, not anything he's done. You do not put him on the field unless absolutely necessary. Savage might not be the answer, but finally, hopefully, we'll find out.
chuck
12-20-2016, 01:16 PM
Get his mojo back. That is awesome. Baubles, you are in fact crazier than I ever knew.
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