Duane Brown

[coloradodude]

Can you guys give your assessment of Mr Brown?

I read that in last years opener of the Steelers vs the Ravins, Jonathon Ogden gave up three sacks to Harrison (IIRC) and was beaten like a rented mule all day...Ogden!

I read that Brown gave up two. Is our Rottweiler a future guard dog or one of those that will let anybody pet him?

[Nconroe]

My opinion so far is Duane Brown looks very good for a rookie OLT. Seems quick, big, strong, smart, just needs time.

[NBT]

Brown is a rookie yes, but he better spend all his off hours studying tape of his opponents for this coming Sunday.

[Big Texas]

I like the guy. Rookie, he is. Yes he was beat. But he has potential to be great. He's quick and strong. Yes must study alot of tape on his opponents.

The true test here is how he responds to the a@# kicking he just got. they showed him several times after he was beaten and he just kinda had his head down. Hopefully he is using this as motivation for his next game. I just hope he hasnt lost his spark from this.

Or else you can consider this another wasted 1st rounder (David Carr, Travis Johnson)

[barrett]

He didn't play that bad. Once they fell behind it was stat padding time for the Pittsburgh Pass rush just as much as it was for the Texans offense. In the first half it was bad play by schaub much more than it was offensive line issues.

[sinnister]

He didn't play that bad. Once they fell behind it was stat padding time for the Pittsburgh Pass rush just as much as it was for the Texans offense. In the first half it was bad play by schaub much more than it was offensive line issues.

I have to disagree. The OL was whipped in the first half as well. Schaub didnt have a great outing, but there was zero push by the OL. The Pitt DL was in the backfield on every running and passing play. Look at the time Big Ben had vs. Schaub. With the exception of Mario, he was mostly untouched. The story of the game was that the Pitt D played on the Texans side of the line of scrimmage the entire game.

[KJ3]

In the first half it was bad play by schaub much more than it was offensive line issues.

what game were you watching? as soon as he hiked the ball someone was past the line, run or pass the whole game. pretty hard to be consistent throwing something when you're running about....for as many questions as schaub has had i think he may have actually answered one: he is tough. he was getting hit a lot, picking himself up and moving on.

[idymoe]

I just finished watching the first half this morning. The game was over by that point. The interior of the offensive line caused virtually all the problems. Brown held up well. Schaub gave away any chance at competing in the game with some of the worst decisions I've seen. He is tough, but so was D.C. He has to eliminate those decisions immediately. I don't think Sage would have attempted those throws. If Schaub starts out poorly next week, I think you have to bring in Sage.

With plenty to criticize in the Steeler game, Weaver stood out to me as really inept. He is supposed to be a run-stopper, but he couldn't even set an edge on wide running plays. I know he makes a big salary, but I don't think you can stay with him very long if he continues to be such a non-factor.

I don't like negative posts, and I apologize for this one, but I did try to keep it short.

[NBT]

Come on now, it was said before the game that the way to keep the Pgh D from going nuts was to run on them so they couldn't load the LOS with 8, 9, and I swear I thought I saw a 10 man front that one time. If we could have gotten 2-3 yds on first and second it would make it a lot tougher for them to come after us. By the time we got our crap together the game was out of sight, and it was a free for all for Pgh. All that was left was dinkin and dunkin, which we have learned to hate from before. GRRRR!!!!! It all falls on Kubiak I'm telling ya. He was not prepared so the team was not prepared.

[BigBull]

I just finished watching the first half this morning. The game was over by that point. The interior of the offensive line caused virtually all the problems. Brown held up well. Schaub gave away any chance at competing in the game with some of the worst decisions I've seen. He is tough, but so was D.C. He has to eliminate those decisions immediately. I don't think Sage would have attempted those throws. If Schaub starts out poorly next week, I think you have to bring in Sage.

With plenty to criticize in the Steeler game, Weaver stood out to me as really inept. He is supposed to be a run-stopper, but he couldn't even set an edge on wide running plays. I know he makes a big salary, but I don't think you can stay with him very long if he continues to be such a non-factor.

I don't like negative posts, and I apologize for this one, but I did try to keep it short.

I agree that Schaub needs to eliminate his bad decision making from the first game, but I think if Sage is the Texans starting qb then they are really in trouble. I think it is funny how fans keep wanting to see him play. He is a good back up but as a starter below average. I know Schaub didn't light it up against the Steelers, but in my opinion he has more upside than Sage.

[NBT]

Don't agree Big Bull. Let Rosey step in for a few games, throw off the gameplanning of the other team, and Let Schaub sit and watch for awhile. You would be surprised how much good that does sometimes.

[idymoe]

I agree that Schaub has more upside. However, he took us right out of that game. If the qb has to run for his life, he still has to make good decisions. If the rest of the league thinks he really loses his cool under pressure, he is really going to get pressured. There is no way he didn't see the defenders on those picks he threw in the first half. The team isn't good enough to compensate for that. Probably no team is good enough to compensate for it.

It would be great to see Schaub have no turnovers this weekend.

[Nconroe]

Have to hope Schaub gets mentally prepared to deal with these situations in the future, if not, for sure give Sage a shot. And coaches need to give QB some help quicker with protection and faster plays if that isn't working. Maybe practice throwing the ball away atleast.

I heard Kubiak say he thought best to leave Schaub in till he had some success, but I am not so sure, sometimes if a guy is disoriented coach has to take him out even if he says he's ok. or as someone suggested, if it isn't going well, sit him down and let him think about it for a while. Sage is a good no. 2 so use him if its not working.

[barrett]

I can rewatch it a hundred times and it is still obvious to me that Schaub hurt them more than the OL in the first half. Take away the two interceptions and its a different game. Not to mention he ate the ball about 5 seconds into a passing play for a sack when he was already out of the pocket. And he was off on numerous other passes. He looked like the start of the Dallas game, but this time he didn't get a chance to right the ship before it sank.

As for Sage... you guys must be kidding me. He is great at moving the offense, but decision making isn't a strong suit. He throws a ball up for grabs or tries to force one in every other series. He is like Brett Favre without the arm sometimes.

The bottom line is we had a bad early break and a turnover that put us in a big hole. This team is not built to play from behind. The run game gets eliminated and the play action with it. It's like watching Denver games. They would get blown out in playoff seasons once or twice just because they could not drop back and pass without a boot or a play action.

[KJ3]

I can rewatch it a hundred times and it is still obvious to me that Schaub hurt them more than the OL in the first half. Take away the two interceptions and its a different game. Not to mention he ate the ball about 5 seconds into a passing play for a sack when he was already out of the pocket. And he was off on numerous other passes. He looked like the start of the Dallas game, but this time he didn't get a chance to right the ship before it sank.
watch it once again for me, take like 5 pass plays/5 run plays, average out the number of seconds schaub has to throw or until he's sacked & for runs how many defenders were in the backfield when the RB got the ball. the int's are on schaub, no doubt, but i think he was getting a little panicked due to the lack of support up front. he got too much put on his shoulders and he couldn't handle it.

As for Sage... you guys must be kidding me. He is great at moving the offense, but decision making isn't a strong suit. He throws a ball up for grabs or tries to force one in every other series. He is like Brett Favre without the arm sometimes.
i think it is more of...."by that point, just take schaub out and put in sage" not totally replace him on the depth chart. like you said, we're not built to play from behind so we were going gunslinger but with the wrong slinger. we needed brett-favre-lite at the end.

[sinnister]

I can rewatch it a hundred times and it is still obvious to me that Schaub hurt them more than the OL in the first half. Take away the two interceptions and its a different game. Not to mention he ate the ball about 5 seconds into a passing play for a sack when he was already out of the pocket. And he was off on numerous other passes. He looked like the start of the Dallas game, but this time he didn't get a chance to right the ship before it sank.

As for Sage... you guys must be kidding me. He is great at moving the offense, but decision making isn't a strong suit. He throws a ball up for grabs or tries to force one in every other series. He is like Brett Favre without the arm sometimes.

The bottom line is we had a bad early break and a turnover that put us in a big hole. This team is not built to play from behind. The run game gets eliminated and the play action with it. It's like watching Denver games. They would get blown out in playoff seasons once or twice just because they could not drop back and pass without a boot or a play action.

Point 1: I disagree. The OL was the biggest problem in the game, specifically the interior, but as a whole, they sucked. Schaub did try to do too much as the rout started, which made problems worse, but this was a result of the OL not doing anything in the run or pass game. If we don't block better, we can hang this season up.

Point 2: I agree. Sage doesnt have the arm, makes poor reads at times, but is a better short drop passer than Schaub. Schaub clearly has much greater upside.

3: Right again. This team isnt good enough to play a team like Pittsburgh from behind. Their D is too good, and their offense is good as well. We had to play a perfect game, and we didnt. Hard to read about next week.

[cadams]

Brown was not lights out, but I didn't think his play was awful. He wasn't stellar, but there were other line issues much more glaring than him.

[edo783]

Brown was not lights out, but I didn't think his play was awful. He wasn't stellar, but there were other line issues much more glaring than him.

Yup, the middle was a real problem especially at center.

[cadams]

Yup, the middle was a real problem especially at center.

yup, he got pushed around all day long.

[barrett]

Point 1: I disagree. The OL was the biggest problem in the game, specifically the interior, but as a whole, they sucked. Schaub did try to do too much as the rout started, which made problems worse, but this was a result of the OL not doing anything in the run or pass game. If we don't block better, we can hang this season up.

Point 2: I agree. Sage doesnt have the arm, makes poor reads at times, but is a better short drop passer than Schaub. Schaub clearly has much greater upside.

3: Right again. This team isnt good enough to play a team like Pittsburgh from behind. Their D is too good, and their offense is good as well. We had to play a perfect game, and we didnt. Hard to read about next week.

i agree in principal with 2 and 3 but don't think you can pull your QB in week 1.

[KJ3]

i know myers wasn't regarded as a huge pickup but he got leaned on all day and couldn't handle it. i think i expected more than that, but it's one game...

who is starting RG now/last weekend? briesel?

[NBT]

Saying it was Schaub, no it was the Oline, is like saying which came first the chicken or the egg. Doesb't matter, the coaches need to work these guys overtime on their run & pass blocking, and Schaub needs to spend a bunch of time strudying film of the Ravens tendencies.

I will be there Sunday if Ike allows the game to go on. I hope our play picks up dramatically. If not, we may be in for a long season.

[coloradodude]

Have you guys noticed that Brown will do whatever it takes to stop his man? Several times I've watched him use his legs in an attempt to trip his guy as he's falling down. It's very bvious so I imagine he'll be getting called on it by the Jags game.

[NBT]

It is very hard for a rookie if the interior of the line is not doing it's job. What's with Meyers, haven't we had a perrenial problem with the offensive center position being the weak link in the line before? :mad:

[KJ3]

It is very hard for a rookie if the interior of the line is not doing it's job. What's with Meyers, haven't we had a perennial problem with the offensive center position being the weak link in the line before? :mad:

really, we need a center capable of handling some big, mean, nasty DT's. logic says we need a big, mean, nasty center...but we don't handle business that way.

2 games though, it's been 2 games.

[nunusguy]

really, we need a center capable of handling some big, mean, nasty DT's. logic says we need a big, mean, nasty center...but we don't handle business that way.

2 games though, it's been 2 games.
It's a natural missmatch almost anytime a ZB center goes up against a 3-4 defense where he's routinely going to be facing a guy 25,30, maybe 40 lbs
bigger than him in the person of the NT, whose directly across from him.
Lets see how he does against a 4-3, which I think he'll see for the first time this year Sunday vs. the Jags.

[KJ3]

It's a natural missmatch almost anytime a ZB center goes up against a 3-4 defense where he's routinely going to be facing a guy 25,30, maybe 40 lbs
bigger than him in the person of the NT, whose directly across from him.
Lets see how he does against a 4-3, which I think he'll see for the first time this year Sunday vs. the Jags.

titans play 4-3 right? i meant to face big fat al in nashville and henderson (or stroud, can't remember who got traded to nyj) in jacksonville. we rountinely see some elite DTs...stands to reason that we would have the best center we could possibly find. especially since, looking ahead, we face more than one elite DT this year on top of the 4 games in division we play every year against elite DTs. but again...business is handled differently 'round these parts.

[papabear]

titans play 4-3 right? i meant to face big fat al in nashville and henderson (or stroud, can't remember who got traded to nyj) in jacksonville. we rountinely see some elite DTs...stands to reason that we would have the best center we could possibly find. especially since, looking ahead, we face more than one elite DT this year on top of the 4 games in division we play every year against elite DTs. but again...business is handled differently 'round these parts.


Centers are traditionally the smallest of all the lineman anyway. They are also at a natural disadvantage because they have to snap the ball first, block second. I really thought Myers would be an upgrade, and he could be, but so far he seems to get pushed around a lot.

[nunusguy]

titans play 4-3 right?
Dang, you're right they aren't are they ? Sorry 'bout that.
Well that blows my whole premise about our new center having only faced
big 3-4 noses up to now.

[KJ3]

don't worry, i think you're theory is still right...

i mean we don't call him fat albert for nothing.