View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Colts Game Thread, 10/16/2016
Week 6 finds the 2-3 Indianapolis Colts visiting the Texans on a SNF broadcast. Last week, the Colts defeated the Chicago Bears 29-23 in a home game. On the season, Colts QB Andrew Luck has thrown for 10 TD's with just 3 INT's and has a 95.4 rating. WR T.Y. Hilton is averaging 101.4 yds/gm. RB Frank Gore is on pace for a 1,000 yd rushing season. The Colts would love to take this one as it would vault them into 1st place in the AFC South after being buried just a few short weeks ago.
The 3-2 Texans are coming off a 31-13 road loss to the Minnesota Vikings. QB Brock Osweiler has been less than stellar but if ever there was a time to pad his stats, it should come against the Colt's defense (30th in yds/game, 30th in pts./game). The Texans are 5-23 all time vs. the Colts.
The Texans are 3-2 straight up and ATS, the Colts are 2-3 straight up and ATS.
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TV = NBC (channel 2 local), 7:30 pm, Oct 16, 2016
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2016&wk=6) = Al Michaels, Cris Collinsworth
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Texans by 3
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
CBS (early) = Cincinnati @ New England, Ian Eagle, Dan Fouts
FOX (early) = Philadelphia @ Washington, Kenny Albert, John Lynch
FOX (late) = Dallas @ Green Bay, Thom Brennaman, Troy Aikman
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Other Prime Time:
TNF = Denver @ San Diego (CBS; NFLN)
MNF = NY Jets @ Arizona (ESPN)
nunusguy
10-14-2016, 09:10 AM
Great lineup for Sunday before our game. Don't know whether to watch the Cinci vs Pats or the young Philly QB on the early game ?
Last night the SB champs Broncos didn't look so formidable in San Diego so could be the Raiders are the team to beat in the AFC West.
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Last night the SB champs Broncos didn't look so formidable in San Diego so could be the Raiders are the team to beat in the AFC West.
Ya, I was looking at the second half of the schedule.... Remove our AFC South opponents and it looks like this:
Mon, Nov 21 @ Oakland 8:30 PM ESPN
Sun, Nov 27 vs San Diego 1:00 PM CBS
Sun, Dec 4 @ Green Bay 1:00 PM CBS
Sat, Dec 24 vs Cincinnati 8:25 PM NFL
Those are all going to be (or should be) tough games. We will know a whole lot more about the 2016 Texans after that stretch....
HPF Bob
10-14-2016, 03:27 PM
Let's keep T.J. Yates on retainer...
HPF Bob
10-14-2016, 03:30 PM
As for the Colts, we have to be able to shut down Luck's top weapon, T.Y. Hilton. Do that and I feel good. But doing that is also easier said than done.
I want to see Braxton Miller become a weapon again. Get some early completions for Osweiler to gain some confidence and then work Hopkins and Fuller into some deeper passes.
HPF Bob
10-16-2016, 10:32 AM
Will Fuller is apparently scratched with a hamstring injury. Strong and B. Miller will see more snaps in his place.
Warren
10-16-2016, 06:44 PM
Fuller is active. He's not 100% so we'll see how much he's used as something other than a decoy.
Inactives:
Texans
QB Brandon Weeden
RB Jonathan Grimes
TE Stephen Anderson
LB/K Brian Peters
S Quintin Demps
CB Kareem Jackson
Colts
WR Donte Moncrief
WR Devin Street
OL Le'Raven Clark
OL Jonotthan Harrison
DL T.Y. McGill
CB Patrick Robinson
Colts win the toss and defer. Texans to receive.
B Miller brings the kickoff back to the Texan 21. Texan's ball.
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L Miller for 12.
Semi-deep pass to Hop is broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass too high to Hopkins, inc. Brings up 3rd and 10.
Oz is sacked and fumbles but the Texans recover it. Texans will punt on 4th and 19.
Colts bring the punt back to their 46. Colt's ball. 13:14 left in the 1st qtr.
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 07:44 PM
Offense again looking like Shit...
Pass to Allen over the middle gets 9.
Gore hit in the backfield for a 4 yard loss. Brings up 3rd and 5.
Flags presnap. False start Colts, -5. Makes it 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Allen broken up by Pleasant, inc. Colts to punt.
Ervin fair catches at the Texan 10 yard line. Texan's ball.
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 07:49 PM
Brock off target and DHOP tried to 1 hand that catch instead of just catching the damn ball...
I don't know what it is but he and Brock are not on the same page
L Miller for 1.
L Miller for 1. Brings up 3rd and 8.
Pass to Hop slightly off the mark, inc. Texans to punt.
Lechler's punt is fair caught at midfield. Colt's ball. 10:12 left in the 1st qtr.
Luck nearly sacked but gets the pass out, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Gore for almost 5. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Luck scrambles for 6 and the 1st down at the Texan 39.
Gore goes around right end for almost 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Gore for 5 and the 1st down.
Pass to Turbin gets about 8. Ball at the Texan 17.
Turbin caught for a loss of 1. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass to Dorsett goes inc. Colts to go for the FG.
Vinatieri's 36-yarder is good but a flag is down. Illegal formation Colts, -5, rekick.
41 yard FG is good.
Colts 3, Texans 0
5:56 left in the 1st qtr.
The ensuing kickoff a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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L Miller for no gain.
Pass to Hop gets 4.
Pass to Strong over the middle is too high, inc. Texans to punt.
Lechler's punt goes out of bounds at the Colt 40. Colt's ball.
I know, let's just run L Miller up the gut .....
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Luck gets 3 yards while avoiding the rush.
On 2nd and 7, screen to Gore goes for nice gainer but flags are down....ineligible receiver downfield, -5. 2nd and 12 coming up.
Missed tackles allow a flat pass to Rogers go for a big gainer. Ball at the Texan 26.
Gore for 1.
Pass to Doyle gets 6. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Gore for 4 and the 1st down.
Gore for 3. Ball at the 11 yard line.
Pass to Doyle goes to the 1 yard line.....flag down....holding on the Colts makes it 2nd and 17.
End of the 1st qtr.
Pass to Doyle goes for the TD.
Colts 10, Texans 0
14:55 left in the half.
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'Bout ready to bench Brock....
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 08:16 PM
Well, well, well National TV and offense looks like Shit...and we look terrible...
Now we are even looking bad at home...
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 08:20 PM
Brock is starting to have that Matt Shaub dumbfounded look...
The ensuing kickoff goes out of the end zone, touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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L Miller gets 14.
L Miller for 3.
Pass to B Miller goes for about 8 and the 1st down.
Flags presnap. False start Texans (Aboushi). Makes it 1st and 15.
Pass to Fido off the mark, inc. 2nd and 15 coming up.
L Miller for 7. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Oz can't find a receiver and throws it away, inc. Texans to punt.
Colts fair catch at their 7 yard line. Colt's ball.
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 08:27 PM
Just my opinion:
Our WR are getting bitch slapped...
It is an insult to press man a guy the whole game...and they can't get a step on the guy...
Without at least a step or two...Brock is not accurate enough make the tight throw...
The book is out on our receivers...none can get open against press coverage...even DHOP
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 08:28 PM
Now we have Charles James covering their best receiver...
Pass to Hilton down the sideline goes for 31.
Gore for 6.
Gore gets loose for 22. Ball at the Texan 34.
Deep pass to Dorsett off the mark, inc.
On 2nd and 10, screen to Turbin loses 1. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Pass to Hilton gets 11 and the 1st down.
Gore for no gain.
Pass to Hilton goes inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Luck is pressured and scrambles for 5 or 6. Colts to go for the FG.
Vinatieri's 37-yarder is good.
Colts 13, Texans 0
6:55 left in the half.
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 08:46 PM
So if he's gonna be a scared QB who is afraid of the pick...
I'm with let's let Savage get in there...
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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Pass to Hop gets 5.
L Miller for 2.
L Miller goes for nice gainer to midfield. 1st down.
Pass to Fido gets a nice gain. Ball at the Colt 27.
L Miller for 5.
Oy, pass to Ervin off the mark near the end zone, inc.
On 3rd and 5, pass to Hop gets the 1st down at the 15 yard line.
Pass to B Miller in the end zone goes inc.
Texans use a timeout.
On 2nd and 10, L Miller rushes for 2.
Pass to Fido gets 3. Texans to go for the FG.
2 minute warning.
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Novak's 27-yarder is good.
Colts 13, Texans 3
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the 27 yard line. Colt's ball.
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Flags presnap, offsides Merci, +5. Makes it 1st and 5.
Pass to Dorsett gets 6 and the 1st down.
Luck scrambles for 24 yards up the gut.
Pass to Rogers gets 5.
Luck's pass is INT'ed by Nelson! Texan's ball at their 8 yard line.
Pass to Griffin bounces off his numbers, inc.
Pass to Griffin gets 12.
Texans use a timeout.
Oz hums one out of bounds, inc.
L Miller for maybe 1.
Halftime.
Colts 13, Texans 3
chuck
10-16-2016, 09:04 PM
The disgusting reptile of an owner brought BO in so there is no way he's getting benched. I am slowly accepting that BO is a poor football player, but he's not going anywhere, not this year or next.
What still annoys me as much as anything is the team's stupidly IRing Savage last year. But that's the sort of thing that loser organizations do year in and year out.
2nd half kickoff is brought back to the 21 yard line. Colt's ball.
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Pass to Doyle gets 7.
Gore for 5 on the right side but flag is down. Holding on Colts, -10. Makes it 2nd and 14 coming up.
Pass to Gore gets 2. 3rd and 12 coming up.
Check down to Turbin goes nowhere. Colts have to punt.
Punt rolls to the Texan 18 yard line. Texan's ball.
12:19 left in the 3rd qtr.
L Miller goes left side for 22.
Blue for 13. Ball at the Colt 45. A Colt (Maggitt) injured on the play. Injury timeout.
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L Miller for 12.
L Miller for 1.
Pass to Ervin gets 5. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Pass to Hop is caught for the 1st down at the Colt 20.
Pass over the middle to Hop gets 9. 2nd and inches coming up.
Pass to L Miller goes for the 1st down at the 7 yard line. 1st and goal.
L Miller for 3. 2nd and goal from the 4.
Jump ball to Hop in the end zone draws the PI. Ball at the 1.
L Miller punches it in.
Extra point is no good, wide right.
Colts 13, Texans 9
7:06 left in the 3rd qtr.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the Colt 24. Colt's ball.
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Gore for 2.
Gore for 4. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Dump off to Turbin gets 12 and the 1st down.
Pass to Doyle goes for 18.
Gore for 6.
Gore for maybe 1. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Luck is sacked by Merci and Clowney but flag is down. Face mask on Merci. Places the ball at the Texan 17, 1st down.
Pass to Dorsett goes for 6.
Pass to Rogers gets 3. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Luck keeps for no gain. 4th and 1 coming up. 53 seconds left in the 3rd qtr.
Timeout Colts.
Colts going for it.
Luck is sacked by Merci! Texans take over on downs. Ball at the 13 yard line.
L Miller goes right side for about 8 but flag is down. Holding on Texans, 1/2 the distance makes it 1st and 14.
Oz throws the pick. Colts take over at the Texan 20.
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 09:48 PM
Pass behind him...He pretty much threw the pass to the CB...
Some QBs make poor decisions
Some QBs hold on to the ball too long
Some QBs don't progress through their reads fast enough
Then there's BROCK...
barrett
10-16-2016, 09:49 PM
The phantom hold has us throwing from our own end zone, and Osweiller promptly throws the pick.
How dumb do you have to be to pay $18 million a year for a guy to (hopefully) learn how to play QB? This is why I wanted a rookie. We are paying veteran money for a guy who has no veteran qualities.
Gore for 6. Ball at the Texan 14, 2nd and 4 coming up.
End of the 3rd qtr.
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Luck can't find a receiver and runs it all the way in for the TD.
Colts 20, Texans 9
14:53 left in the game.
barrett
10-16-2016, 09:51 PM
Clowney got tackled on that Luck TD run but no flag. Hopkins plays patty cake and gets called for holding. Brutal.
barrett
10-16-2016, 09:57 PM
I love how they keep talking about Davis shutting down Hopkins when every play he's made has been a bad Osweiller throw when Davis was beat.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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L Miller for 10 but flag is down.... holding on Mumphrey, -5. Makes it 1st and 15.
L Miller for 17 and the 1st down.
Deep pass to Hop is off the mark, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
L Miller for 6 but flag is down....Holding on D Brown. Makes it 2nd and 20.
Blue caught for a loss of 1. 3rd and 21 coming up.
Pass to Fido goes for 13. Texans to punt.
Punt is brought back to the Colt 15. Colt's ball. 12:21 left in the game.
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 10:00 PM
We absolutely needed a score there and this moron is making Matt Schaub decisions...
No Fuller and no one can even come close to getting separation.
Where is the superstar Braxton Miller?
Ball marked at the 16.
Pass to Dorsett goes inc.
Gore for about 8. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Gore for 4 or 5 and the 1st down.
Pass to Swope goes for 35 yards down the sideline.
Gore for 4.
Gore for 10 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 21.
Turbin for 2.
Turbin for 1. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Luck's pass off the mark, inc. Colts to go for the FG.
Vinatieri's 36-yarder is good. Flag is down.....Running into the kicker is declined.
Colts 23, Texans 9
7:04 left in the game.
The INT was the turning point. Absolutely inaccurate throw by Oz.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback. Texan's ball at their 25.
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Pass to Griffin gets 11.
Pass to Griffin gets 8.
L Miller for 5 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 49.
Pass to Griffin is dropped.
L Miller goes left side for 1 yard. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Timeout Texans.
Pass to Hop gets 10 and the 1st down.
Pass to Hop gets 9 but a flag is down......hands to the face on the Colts is declined.
Pass to Hop goes to the Colt 26, 1st down.
Pass to Hop caught at the 14 yard line, 1st down.
Pass to B Miller gets 3.
Oz's pass to B Miller in the end zone is off the mark, inc. A Colt (Butler) shaken up on the play. 2:47 left in the game.
On 3rd and 7, pass to Miller who does some fancy dancin' for the TD!
Colts 23, Texans 16
2:37 left in the game.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the Colt 21. Colt's ball.
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Gore for 2.
On 2nd and 8, flags come out. False start Colts, -5. 2nd and 13 coming up.
Luck is sacked at the 11 yard line by Hal! 3rd and 20 coming up.
Gore gets caught for loss of 2. Colts have to punt. Texans have a shot, here.....
Ervin brings the punt back to the Texan 47. Texan's ball with no timeouts.
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 10:37 PM
I know I wasn't the only one thinking that last pass was a pick...lol
1:50 left in the game.
Screen to L Miller goes for 15.
Pass to Fido goes to the 26.
Pass to Fido over the middle goes for the TD!
Texans 23, Colts 23
49 seconds left in the game.
The ensuing kickoff is squibbed.... a lineman picks it up and takes it to the Colt 32. Colt's ball.
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Pass to Rogers goes to midfield. 38 seconds left.
Luck nearly sacked but gains 2 yards. Colts use final timeout.
Pass to Hilton gains about 10 but play is under review.....looks like the ball hit the ground.... 27 seconds left in the game. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Play is overturned.
Pass over the middle sails inc. Colts will punt.
Ervin fair catches at the Texan 15. Texan's ball with 15 seconds left.
Texans kneel it.
We're headed to OT.
Texans 23, Colts 23
Colts win the toss and will receive.
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Colts bring the kickoff back to their 26.
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Pass to Swoope gets 7.
Gore gets 7 and the 1st down at their 40 yard line.
Pass along the sideline goes inc.
Pass over the middle gets 7. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Timeout Colts.
Luck sacked by McKinney! Colts will have to punt.
Flag on the Texans for 12 men. Colts still punting.
Ervin brings the punt back to the Texan 33. Texan's ball. KJ Dillon hurt on the play.
barrett
10-16-2016, 11:01 PM
We absolutely needed a score there and this moron is making Matt Schaub decisions...
No Fuller and no one can even come close to getting separation.
Where is the superstar Braxton Miller?
That's a pretty weird read on the situation. The High priced QB and the star WR struggle and you peg it on the 3rd round rookie?
11:30 left in OT.
Oz hits Fido for 9.
L Miller goes right side for nice gainer. Ball in Colt territory. 1st down.
L Miller for no gain.
Deep pass to Strong goes for 36! Ball at the Colt 12.
Oz keeps and puts the ball on the right hash. Texans going for the FG and the W.
Novak's 33-yarder is good!
Final Score:
Texans 26, Colts 23
Nconroe
10-16-2016, 11:07 PM
Woohoo, 4-2. Oswiler quite a 4th Q.
Excellent catch by Strong as well.
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 11:09 PM
That's a pretty weird read on the situation. The High priced QB and the star WR struggle and you peg it on the 3rd round rookie?
Not blaming it on Braxton just saying where is anybody?
chuck
10-16-2016, 11:10 PM
Hopefully this will be a turning point. Weird to say of a winning team, but we all know that this team has been underachieving. That was a hell of a win.
Clowney is a beast, by the way.
Big Texas
10-16-2016, 11:12 PM
Brock had to do something this game because social media was calling for his head...
Early on He was definitely looking like a Matt Schaub clone...but good thing he came through in the clutch...something Shaub wasn't likely to do...
Good win guys...
barrett
10-16-2016, 11:15 PM
Hopefully this will be a turning point. Weird to say of a winning team, but we all know that this team has been underachieving. That was a hell of a win.
Clowney is a beast, by the way.
Clowney finally is just playing forward. No more worries about gaps and responsibilities. It took him 2 years but he learned the defense, and now he just goes as hard as he can in every direction he goes.
Mercilous meanwhile has turned into a fantastic pass rusher. Edge speed, counter moves, hands, all of it.
Nice win, especially against the Colts. Prime time win. Come from behind win, something this franchise doesn't have a whole lot of....
Oz gets a reprieve.
The Colts suck but man, the Texans were sucking worse in the first 3 qtrs...
As mentioned, hopefully this is a confidence builder for the whole team...
Keith
10-16-2016, 11:39 PM
Osweiler has his problems, I'm not blind. Heck, check the last ItB tweet. He played three sucky quarters tonight, and he was trash in Minny against a top quality D.
BUT...
Let's hit the reset on a few hot takezzz here:
- Osweiler ain't cheap, but he is something like the 17th highest paid QB in the league. It's not like the team is paying him a crippling-like salary that, say, the Colts are paying Andrew Luck (per the Indy GM even).
- Yes, Schaub was terrible his last season in Houston, but pre-Haynesworth, he was a pro bowl QB who did alright for himself for many seasons. I still believe the year fat Albert sat on his foot was the team's best chance for a Super Bowl run. Schaub's preceding 16 games to that injury were pretty dang good if someone wants to look that up.
Keith
10-16-2016, 11:52 PM
By the way, not enough said about Lamar Miller's TD reception... that was nothing short of amazing. True turning point because I think it's fourth down if he doesn't dance his way through the over-pursuit of the Colts defenders for the score.
Like everyone else beforehand, really thought the INT thrown by Osweiler right after Mercilus got the big 4th down sack was the needle in the balloon. Osweiler needs to get out of his own head maybe.
HPF Bob
10-16-2016, 11:58 PM
A win's a win and it was the win they needed - keeps them alone in first in the vaunted AFC South. Flipped the script - usually, it's Luck that catches fire at the end of the game and pulls it out. This time it was Ozzy.
Next up, a Monday nighter in Denver where the Broncos will have a 1-1/2 week rest and a Gary Kubiak reunion to look forward to. Denver has to work out their mess of an OL (sounds familiar, doesn't it?) and shore up the run defense but don't expect Houston to beat them passing the ball. The Texans' best chance is to sic Clowney and Mercilus on the QB all night and hope for some turnovers.
Early numbers (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) rolling in have Denver as a 6.5 pt favorite over the Texans on MNF...
barrett
10-17-2016, 07:30 AM
Osweiler has his problems, I'm not blind. Heck, check the last ItB tweet. He played three sucky quarters tonight, and he was trash in Minny against a top quality D.
BUT...
Let's hit the reset on a few hot takezzz here:
- Osweiler ain't cheap, but he is something like the 17th highest paid QB in the league. It's not like the team is paying him a crippling-like salary that, say, the Colts are paying Andrew Luck (per the Indy GM even).
- Yes, Schaub was terrible his last season in Houston, but pre-Haynesworth, he was a pro bowl QB who did alright for himself for many seasons. I still believe the year fat Albert sat on his foot was the team's best chance for a Super Bowl run. Schaub's preceding 16 games to that injury were pretty dang good if someone wants to look that up.
The 16 guys ahead of Osweiler in salary all had significantly more than 7 starts. So do the dozen guys behind him. Only rookies don't get paid at QB in the NFL. So starting a rookie is a giant advantage. It's an advantage that is so big it almost makes up for not having an elite QB. I'd say the two best QB situations in the NFL are having a great one that makes $25 million, or having a rookie plus $20 million worth of other players.
We are in the brutal middle. We are paying for a guy to learn the position. It's better than just punting on the position like last year, and I'm glad we made some commitment finally, it was just a stupid allocation of resources from a team building standpoint.
nunusguy
10-17-2016, 07:50 AM
By the way, not enough said about Lamar Miller's TD reception... that was nothing short of amazing. True turning point because I think it's fourth down if he doesn't dance his way through the over-pursuit of the Colts defenders for the score.
Like everyone else beforehand, really thought the INT thrown by Osweiler right after Mercilus got the big 4th down sack was the needle in the balloon. Osweiler needs to get out of his own head maybe.
Miller's TD scamper reminded me of vintage Reggie Bush in college at USC.
Now even if mixed attitudes remain about Osweiler, I got nothing but
positive thoughts about Miller. I thought he was just going to be a scatback but instead he's a real workhorse who can play an entire game plus and take it off or inside tackle. He was tremendous last night.
Don't know why Osweiler is starting so slowly but those were big time throws late in the game, including OT. It's encouraging so no telling what we get next week in Denver but it should be interesting.
Oh by the way, the defense was stellar, tremendous game for them against Luck.
Nconroe
10-17-2016, 10:05 AM
On QB salary, we only committed to two years for Osweiler, so not a long term issue if he doesn't develop consistency.
Also Texans are not in salary cap hell, so they can maneuver for other players, and did.
So, Texans record , maybe good luck, but so far , so good. The comeback yesterday was quite amazing, glad I got to watch that.
barrett
10-17-2016, 10:33 AM
On QB salary, we only committed to two years for Osweiler, so not a long term issue if he doesn't develop consistency.
Also Texans are not in salary cap hell, so they can maneuver for other players, and did.
So, Texans record , maybe good luck, but so far , so good. The comeback yesterday was quite amazing, glad I got to watch that.
If we get out in two years it will be with a new coach, no QB, and little of JJ's prime left, so I won't care how much money we save in cutting our QB in that scenario.
Keith
10-17-2016, 10:45 AM
So starting a rookie is a giant advantage. It's an advantage that is so big it almost makes up for not having an elite QB.
Starting a rookie is an advantage? Do you mean beyond financially? The Texans could have traded up for Goff, they could have taken Bortles over Clowney, they could have not signed Osweiler and settled for Paxton Lynch.... any of these scenarios put the Texans at 4-2 and in the driver seat for the playoffs this year? In O'Brien's third season?
I recall your distaste for Bortles and know you did not like the signing of Osweiler even back in March... all defensible opinions that are standing the test of time. And I agree the team is in the brutal middle, so I know you must understand the 2016 Texans were caught in a tough spot with very limited viable options... as much as I liked Wentz pre-draft, it was a pretty unrealistic scenario to think they could trade all the way up to get him (or Goff) since it takes two to tango.
So what was your ideal plan for the team to take?
As for the Colts, we have to be able to shut down Luck's top weapon, T.Y. Hilton. Do that and I feel good. But doing that is also easier said than done......
This got overlooked somewhat. Hilton was held to 3 catches on 9 targets and 49 yards. Someone (KJo? Bouye? both?) did a fine job. (BTW, KJo really ought to tone down the hot doggy celebrations on routine plays - c'mon man, act like you've been there)...
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The emergence of Fido.
Ya know, I didn't like this pick when we got him in the 2014 draft. I'd never heard of him so at the time, I went to Youtube and looked at some of his highlights at Iowa. I saw a slow, lumbering guy and thought, well, perhaps the scouting dept sees something I don't - afterall, they're the experts, not I. Lately, he's been showing hands I didn't know he had and emerged as sort of a Gronk-lite. He's still just 24 and so maybe there's hope he can be known for something other than off-sides and holding...
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Denver looks vulnerable, lately. Like the Viking game, the Texan will be about a touchdown underdog. I'm thinking they can do better this time around..... Wouldn't it be nice to be hosting the Lions with a 5-2 mark?
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Unfortunately, my recording of the game stopped on the final drive. There were a couple of players who were hopping around Oz while he was being interviewed by Michelle Tafoya post-game. One was Hopkins - did anyone catch who the other player was? He kinda did a vault off Oz's shoulder pads...
And now the radio is reporting K Johnson has a broken foot and may be lost for the season.......:rolleyes:
chuck
10-17-2016, 12:03 PM
And now the radio is reporting K Johnson has a broken foot and may be lost for the season.......:rolleyes:
And Dillon with a torn ACL. Losing Johnson is YUGE, folks, with Jackson gimpy and JJo sucking.
barrett
10-17-2016, 12:17 PM
Starting a rookie is an advantage? Do you mean beyond financially? The Texans could have traded up for Goff, they could have taken Bortles over Clowney, they could have not signed Osweiler and settled for Paxton Lynch.... any of these scenarios put the Texans at 4-2 and in the driver seat for the playoffs this year? In O'Brien's third season?
I recall your distaste for Bortles and know you did not like the signing of Osweiler even back in March... all defensible opinions that are standing the test of time. And I agree the team is in the brutal middle, so I know you must understand the 2016 Texans were caught in a tough spot with very limited viable options... as much as I liked Wentz pre-draft, it was a pretty unrealistic scenario to think they could trade all the way up to get him (or Goff) since it takes two to tango.
So what was your ideal plan for the team to take?
I am not as down on the Osweiler signing as I'm making it sound. It was better than another year of purgatory, and at least this way, we have a chance at it really working out. Of all the FA options, I like Osweiler the best since he at least has an unknown ceiling and some flashes that say that ceiling might be very high.
I just think the current CBA gives a very unique financial (and thus competitive) advantage to any team that can find average QB play from a guy on a rookie contract. There is admittedly a lot of uncertainty in starting a rookie QB, and that is why the best option by far is to pay a proven veteran, even if he is in the Andy Dalton tier. But since everyone knows that, the only time a proven veteran hits the open market is when their are amazing circumstances (like a broken neck and a once in a lifetime prospect landing Manning in FA).
But we opted for the uncertainty of the unproven QB without the financial advantage to offset it. So we don't get either advantage. We pay full price for rookie level inconsistency.
As for what we should have done, you don't have to go Bortles over Clowney. You can just go Carr over Sua' Fio if you aren't afraid of your fan base. Or Garropolo. Or Prescott. Or take one every year until you get it right since the cost is so low in terms of picks and only hind sight tells you which one. If O'Brien can't find a guy in 3 drafts, he's not much of a coach.
My point is if you aren't going to be great at QB the next best option is to be cheap.
And to answer your question about what other option gets us to 4-2, Hoyer/Mallett/Weeden/Yates got us to the playoffs, so I am pretty sure some replacement level NFL QB could have managed to beat the 4 bad/mediocre teams we played and lose ugly to the two good ones. It's not like any of the four wins have come down to great QB play.
barrett
10-17-2016, 12:21 PM
The emergence of Fido.
Ya know, I didn't like this pick when we got him in the 2014 draft. I'd never heard of him so at the time, I went to Youtube and looked at some of his highlights at Iowa. I saw a slow, lumbering guy and thought, well, perhaps the scouting dept sees something I don't - afterall, they're the experts, not I. Lately, he's been showing hands I didn't know he had and emerged as sort of a Gronk-lite. He's still just 24 and so maybe there's hope he can be known for something other than off-sides and holding...
He blocks really well, and he's finding his way in the passing game. He reminds me of Owen Daniels in that he appears to be the exact speed as an NFL LB. He doesn't run away from them but he doesn't get caught either. I also appreciate how he covers the ball with two hands after he gets what he can. It shows he knows who he is as a player. When you do lots of things OK and nothing bad, you can be a pretty valuable player.
chuck
10-17-2016, 12:35 PM
He blocks really well, and he's finding his way in the passing game. He reminds me of Owen Daniels in that he appears to be the exact speed as an NFL LB. He doesn't run away from them but he doesn't get caught either. I also appreciate how he covers the ball with two hands after he gets what he can. It shows he knows who he is as a player. When you do lots of things OK and nothing bad, you can be a pretty valuable player.
I'm still trying to figure out, that second guy on the scene for the final touchdown, the guy that literally ran right past Fido, what the hell was he doing?
I think there are a lot of quarterbacks that the Texans could have employed and found themselves at 4-2 right now.
nunusguy
10-18-2016, 08:04 AM
He blocks really well, and he's finding his way in the passing game. He reminds me of Owen Daniels in that he appears to be the exact speed as an NFL LB. He doesn't run away from them but he doesn't get caught either. I also appreciate how he covers the ball with two hands after he gets what he can. It shows he knows who he is as a player. When you do lots of things OK and nothing bad, you can be a pretty valuable player.
Criticism about the 2014 Draft is now receding with Fido playing well along with Clowney and the X-man also playing much performing better and contributing.
Actually the three O'Brien/Smith drafts are now proving to be productive and looking successful with 2014 third rounder Louis Nix being the only bona fide bust.
I'm still trying to figure out, that second guy on the scene for the final touchdown, the guy that literally ran right past Fido, what the hell was he doing?
I rewatched that and I think he just whiffed. He ran in head down probably expecting a collision and totally missed everything...
painekiller
10-18-2016, 05:06 PM
I rewatched that and I think he just whiffed. He ran in head down probably expecting a collision and totally missed everything...
Looked to me that the player was trying to put his helmet on the ball. And like Arky said, he just wiffed. By a fraction of an inch. Had he hit the ball no way could Fido have held on to it.
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