View Full Version : Official Texans @ Colts Game Thread, 12/20/2015
Zak Keefer @zkeefer
Andrew Luck taking snaps with other #Colts QBs. No sign of Matt Hasselbeck.
Interesting. Wonder if he'll actually suit up? If he does play, you'd got to think they would engineer a game plan to protect him. The dude had a lacerated kidney. I'm no doctor, but I'm thinking that's not good.
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#Colts News: HC Chuck Pagano just told reporters QB Andrew Luck is OUT in Week 15 and he expects QB Matt Hasselbeck to start vs. Houston.
The 6-7 Texans travel up to Indianapolis this Sunday to face the 6-7 Colts in an early Sunday game. The Texans (all together, now) have never won in Indianapolis. The Texans and Colts are both coming off 2 straight losses and something has to give with the winner in the driver's seat for champion of the AFC South. As of this writing, Matt Hasselbeck and TJ Yates look to be the starting QB's.
TV = CBS (channel 11 local), noon, Sunday, Dec 20
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2015&wk=15) = Greg Gumbel, Trent Green
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = pending (QB's)
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
CBS (late) = Denver @ Pittsburgh -- Jim Nantz, Phil Simms
FOX (late) = Green Bay @ Oakland -- Chris Myers, Ronde Barber
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Prime Time:
TNF = Tampa Bay @ St. Louis (NFLN)
Saturday night = NY Jets @ Dallas (NFLN)
SNF = Arizona @ Philadelphia (NBC)
MNF = Deroit @ New Orleans (ESPN)
Starting to see some spreads for this game come in.... one place (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) has the Colts favored by 1 so it will probably be in that area although, there's a lot of people (http://nflpickwatch.com/) favoring the Texans straight up so it would not surprise to see a shift to the Texans being the slight favorite...
nunusguy
12-19-2015, 09:06 AM
Starting to see some spreads for this game come in.... one place (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) has the Colts favored by 1 so it will probably be in that area although, there's a lot of people (http://nflpickwatch.com/) favoring the Texans straight up so it would not surprise to see a shift to the Texans being the slight favorite...
I sure don't have a clue, or even an inkling who's going to win tomorrow in Indy ? It would be great to finally win up there and add some cheer to the Christmas week.
But even if we win tomorrow we probably will still need to beat the Jags in the last game of the regular season to win the division, and they seem to be the team in the AFC South that's playing the best right now.
I sure don't have a clue, or even an inkling who's going to win tomorrow in Indy ? It would be great to finally win up there and add some cheer to the Christmas week.
But even if we win tomorrow we probably will still need to beat the Jags in the last game of the regular season to win the division, and they seem to be the team in the AFC South that's playing the best right now.
Despite the late surge, I don't think the Hags are much of a factor. They lose out on too many tiebreakers since a lot of thier losses were AFC. Based on the scenario generator Bob found, if we all end up tied, the Hags would be 3rd. We win today, we have a small cushion assuming we beat TN.
Despite the late surge, I don't think the Hags are much of a factor. They lose out on too many tiebreakers since a lot of thier losses were AFC. Based on the scenario generator Bob found, if we all end up tied, the Hags would be 3rd. We win today, we have a small cushion assuming we beat TN.
Ya, the Hags are in a letdown situation today (after whooping Indy last week) and it wouldn't surprise me to see Atlanta beat them today....
re: Texans vs Colts, this seems to be one of the more evenly bet/picked games of the week. The spread (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) hasn't changed much with the game ranging from a pickem to Colts by 1.5.
I will say this is one of the better opportunities for the Texans to win in Indy and we'll see very shortly if they can take advantage of it....
Colts win the toss and defer, Texans to receive.
Kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Polk for 1.
Pass to Hop is broken up but flag on the Colts for PI. Places the ball at the Texan 43.
Polk for 3.
Polk for maybe 1. Brings up 3rd and 6.
Pass to Washington gets close to the 1st down..... On 4th and 1, Texans will go for it.
Hunt sweeps left for big gain and the 1st down at the Colt 27.
Hunt for 1.
TJ's pass is INT'ed by Davis at the Colt 15.
Not a good throw. Looked like Hopkins was going to the end zone and TJ was throwing an out/back shoulder.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 12:13 PM
If that ball was thrown to the end zone that's a TD...
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 12:17 PM
Way to give up a 3rd and 11...
Colt's ball at their 15.
Pass to AJ goes for 10.
Gore for 5.
Pass to Hilton good for 6 and the 1st down.
Gore for maybe 1.
Pass to Hilton gets 11 and the 1st down.
Hasselbeck's pass to Hilton nearly INT'ed by Hal but inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Gore sweeps right for no gain or a loss of 1. Brings up 3rd and 11.
Pass to Fleener gets 11 and the 1st down at the Texan 42. 7:18 left in the 1st qtr.
Pass to AJ off the mark, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Gore for 1. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Hasselbeck's pass over the middle can't find a home. Colts will punt.
Shorts fair catches at the 10.
6:23 left in the 1st qtr.
Texan's ball at their 10.
Blue for 7.
Blue gets 4 or 5 and the 1st down.
TJ pressured, scrambles for 7.
Blue for 1. Brings up 3rd and 2.
Pass to Washington gets about 7. 1st down at the Texan 37.
Ugh, Blue runs hard but gets stripped and the refs call it a fumble. Play is under review... it's close........
Refs rule Colt's ball.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 12:31 PM
Great way to start a game you sorely need...
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 12:35 PM
For the life of me...I don't understand why our CBs play so far off...it's just a waste of a good pass rush
Colt's ball at the Texan 42.
Screen to Gore goes all the way to the Texan 27.
Gore for 3.
Pass to Herron gets 6. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Allen gets 1 and the 1st down.
Gore for no gain. Ball at the Texan 16.
Flags presnap. Watt offsides. Makes it 2nd and 5 at the Texan 11.
End of the 1st qtr.
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Hasselbeck can't find a receiver and throws it away. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Pass to Moncrief over the middle goes for the TD.
Colts 7, Texans 0
14:50 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Pass to Hop gets 10.
Deep pass to Washington goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Polk for 1. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Yates is sacked. Texans will have to punt.
Punt is brought back to the Texan 47.
Colt's ball at the Texan 47.
Hasselbeck's pass in the flat off the mark, inc.
Hasselbeck pressured, scrambles out of bounds for 1. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Tipton carries for about 4. Colts will have to punt.
Shorts fair catches at the Texan 6.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 12:53 PM
We are just gonna keep shooting ourselves in the foot
Texan's ball at their 6.
11:21 left in the half.
Blue scrambles for 10.
Blue for 1 but a flag is down....holding on Shorts, 1/2 the distance. Makes it 1st and 18.
Pass to Hop in the flat good for 6.
On 2nd and 12, Yates is sacked, loss of 7. 3rd and 19 coming up.
Grimes for 1. Texans will have to punt.
Nice runback on the punt. Ball is at the Texan 35.
Colt's ball at the Texan 35.
Pass to AJ good for 18.
Gore for 1 or 2. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Pass to Whalen over the middle good for 4. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to Fleener in the endzone broken up by Pleasant, inc. Colts will go for the FG.
Vinatieri's 29-yarder is good.
Colts 10, Texans 0
6:12 left in the half.
Wondering if a 10 point lead is insurmountable for this squad......
Need to get something done before half.
I'd like to see Hunt get more touches in space.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Blue gets loose for 41!
Prosch carries for 2.
Blue caught for loss of 1. Brings up 3rd and 9.
Pass to Washington is broken up, inc. Texans will try the long FG.
Novak's 57-yarder is wide right. Colts takeover at their 47.
57 yarder? We don't have Seabass......
Colt's ball at their 47.
Gore sweeps right for 10.
Gore for 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Allen off the mark, inc. 3rd and 6 coming up. 3:07 left in the half.
Hasselbeck sacked by Watt and Simon. Colts will have to punt.
Shorts fair catches at the Texan 8.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 01:10 PM
Our offense is simply PATHETIC...If we start next year with the same QBs we will "SUCK AGAIN"...same goes for that OLINE...
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 01:13 PM
For Brandon Brooks to be so big he sure spends a lot of time being manhandled...
Nconroe
12-20-2015, 01:18 PM
Our offense is simply PATHETIC...If we start next year with the same QBs we will "SUCK AGAIN"...same goes for that OLINE...
No excuses and agree, but there has been almost continously changes at QB and offense so hard to make progress that way.. maybe next year. Trying to be positive.
chuck
12-20-2015, 01:20 PM
This is an absolute disaster.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 01:26 PM
I have also been very confused as to why Strong has not played that much...He must've pissed somebody off or he has been stinking it up in practice...
Texan's ball at their 8.
2:15 left in the half.
Yates sacked at the 4 yard line... flag is down...offsides Colts, 5 yards. Makes it 1st and 5 at the 13 yard line.
Pass to Hop goes to the Texan 31, 1st down.
2 minute warning.
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Pass to Shorts off the mark, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Griffin goes to the Colt 47, 1st down.
Texans use a timeout with 1:28 left in the half.
Pass to Hop broken up but PI on the Colt's Davis places the ball at the Colt 34.
Yates takes off and scrambles to the 15 but holding on the Texans backs it up 10. Yates injured on the play, looks like a knee.... Yates able to walk off. Weeden in at QB.
On 1st and 20, Weeden's pass to Griffin gets 8.
Weeden scrambles for 3.
Pass to Strong along the sideline is ruled inc. Under review.... looks like a catch...
Pass is ruled a catch at the 18. 23 seconds left in the half.
Pass to Hop complete at the sideline at the 11.
Pass to the Washington good to the 5 yard line.
Texans spike it with 2 seconds left in the half.
Novak's 23-yarder is good.
Colts 10, Texans 3
Halftime.
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Too many sacks, too many turnovers..........
Betcha Yates tore his ACL/MCL.
Playoff hopes riding on Brandon Weedon......
You guys wanted a 1st round QB. Well, here you go.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 01:43 PM
Again blitzing with CBs playing 10 yards off...
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 01:51 PM
The first time we pressed in combination with a blitz and guess what...He has no target...
2nd half kickoff is a touchback.
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Colt's ball at their 20.
Gore for 10.
Pass to Moncrief good for 8.
Gore gets about 2... close to the 1st down.
Gore loses yardage..... Colts will have to punt.
Mumph fields the punt and has a nice runback but flags are down......both on the Texans....Mercilus charged with running into the punter which would give the Colts a 1st down but the Texans challenge that Merci tipped the ball. Under review....
Bah, play upheld, 1st down Colts.
Screen pass goes inc.
Gore for 2. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Hasselbeck's pass goes away from everyone, inc. Flag on the Colts for no receiver in the area. Colts will have to punt.
Mumph fields the punt and goes out of bounds at the Texan 28.
Texan's ball at their 28.
Pass to Fido too tall, off his hands, inc.
Blue crunches for 12, 1st down.
Weeden pressured, throws it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Blue for no gain. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Man, Weeden sacked and stripped but Newton falls on it. Texans to punt.
Punt is brought back for nice gain but a flag is down....holding on the Colts, 1/2 the distance to the goal.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 01:59 PM
Weeden must've still thought he was behind the Cowboys line...lol
And by the way there was Brandon Brooks getting destroyed...
We've got some major decisions to make this offseason...and I think those decisions should be based on what you've done for me lately....
Colt's ball at their 6.
Gore for 1.
Pass to Moncrief good for 5. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Hasselbeck sacked by McKinney! Ball at the 1/2 yard line! Colts to punt.
Mumph brings the punt back to the Colt 32.
Texan's ball at the Colt 32.
Hunt on the sweep gets 3.
Blue gets 2 yards. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Weeden pressured, runs for the 1st down at the Colt 20.
Blue for 1. Flag is down......holding on Fido, go away Fido, don't come back.
On 1st and 20, Weeden's pass can't find a home, inc. 2nd and 20 coming up.
Blue gets 5. 3rd and 15 coming up.
Screen to Hunt goes for the 1st down but a flag is down...holding on Griffin... makes it 3rd and 21.
Draw to Hunt only gets a couple. Texans will go for the FG.
Novak's 47-yarder is good.
Colts 10, Texans 6
2:42 left in the 3rd qtr.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 02:10 PM
Hunt has some freakin jets...I wonder could he play some slot for us...clearly no one else can...
chuck
12-20-2015, 02:11 PM
Weeden must've still thought he was behind the Cowboys line...lol
And by the way there was Brandon Brooks getting destroyed...
We've got some major decisions to make this offseason...and I think those decisions should be based on what you've done for me lately....
There's been a lot of talk about the team's taking a QB in the first round next year. The fact that the Texans can sign two mokes off the street and the offense does not look appreciably different than it did with the two hand-picked players the team brought in specifically (and paid) tells me all I need to know about BOB's and Smith's quarterback talent evaluation capabilities. If Moe and Curley are put in charge of picking a quarterback we'll be saddled for five years with some asshole who sucks and will set the organization back even further (and waste JJ's prime, which seems inevitable any way you look at it).
On a related note, their decision to IR Savage was a demonstration of incredible hubris and sad delusion.
This group of tight ends is a fking disgrace. The literally do more damage than positive production.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the 25 yard line.
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Colt's ball at their 25.
Gore for almost 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Pass to AJ gets 4. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Pass to Dorsett gets 1. Colts will have to punt.
Mumph fields the punt and is downed at the Texan 10.
Texan's ball at their 10.
Pass to Hop gets 8.
End of the 3rd qtr.
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On 2nd and 2, pass to Hop is broken up, inc.
Pass to Hop goes all the way to the 46 yard line, 1st down.
Hunt caught for loss of 1.
Pass to Fido off the mark, inc.
Pass to Hop good for 10......about 1/2 yard short of the 1st down... Texans will go for it on 4th down..
Blue gets the handoff and is close.....1st down.
Pass to Griffin is broken up because of PI on the Colts. Ball is placed at the Colt 22.
Blue for about 6.
Handoff to Hunt on the sweep gets 3. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Flags presnap. 12-men on the Colts gives a 1st down at the Colt 8. Texans use a timeout with 10:43 left in the game.
Rollout and pass to Strong goes for the TD!
Texans 13, Colts 10
10:36 left in the game.
popanot
12-20-2015, 02:33 PM
Jalen Strong sucks. Way suckier than Washington.
Very nice play call right there. Very tough to defend when a WR gets covered by a LB.
Leggo D!
chuck
12-20-2015, 02:33 PM
It's too bad they had to burn that TO but at least they came back with a very nice play call.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 02:41 PM
Demps was entirely too deep...I can understand if that were TY
popanot
12-20-2015, 02:41 PM
Goodness. 3rd and 10 and you let the guy find a cushion in the middle of 3 defenders. Come on D! You got to be better than that!
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 02:42 PM
The corner sat on it...but the safety was just way out the play
Colts bring the ensuing kickoff back to the 21. Flag is down..... blindside block on the Colts, 1/2 the distance.
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Colt's ball at their 11.
Pass to Allen gets 5.
Pass to Moncrief gets 6 and the 1st down.
Hasselbeck can't find a receiver and throws it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to AJ off the mark, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up. 9:03 left in the game.
Pass to Moncrief is good for the 1st down at the Colt 42. Hasselbeck injured on the play.....injury timeout.
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Whitehurst in at QB.
Pass to Hilton good for about 14 or so.... ball at the Texan 44.
Gore loses 3. 2nd and 13 coming up.
Whitehurst (sacked?) by Mercilus, flag on Colts for hands to the face is declined. 3rd and 13 coming up.
Pass to Moncrief is broken up by Bouye. Colts to punt.
Punt is fair caught at the Texan 6. 6:46 left in the game.
Let's run it down their throats, fellas.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 02:48 PM
I know we wanna milk the clock but we've gotta be creative...otherwise we'll just be giving the ball right back to them with plenty time...we seemed to better runs from the gun...maybe that's a thought...
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 02:53 PM
If you haven't been...just keep an eye on our guards...they are getting destroyed. ..
Texan's ball at their 6.
Blue for about 3.
Blue for 4. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass to Hop gets the 1st down but flag is down..... "no flag" say the refs. Pagano throws the red flag that the ball was a catch..... Looks OK to me...
Challenge fails, 1st down Texans at their 21.
Blue caught for loss of 1. About 4:20 left in the game.
Blue for maybe 1. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Screen to Washington is dropped. Texans to punt.
Colts bring the punt back to around midfield.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 02:56 PM
That drop was one that gets you benched for the season...
popanot
12-20-2015, 02:57 PM
OK, guys... Need a TD here!
Colt's ball at the Texan 49.
3:07 left in the game.
Hasselbeck's pass is batted down, inc.
Pass is caught and then fumbled! Texan's recover, KJ picks it up and returns it to the Colt 21!
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 03:00 PM
OK, guys... Need a TD here!
Hell yeah...Kubiak plays for a FG here...
Texan's ball at the Colt 21.
Blue for 4. Timeout Colts (one left).
Blue for 1. Colts use their last timeout. 2:37 left in the game. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Blue gets a couple.... brings up 4th and 3. Texans will go for the FG after the 2 minute warning.
2 minute warning.
Novak's 32-yarder is good.
Texans 16, Colts 10
1:56 left in the game.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the 17.
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Colt's ball at their 17.
Deep pass is INT'ed by Bouye! Halleluejah!
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 03:06 PM
These situations bother me...With somebody like TY Hilton
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 03:07 PM
What the **************** was AJ doing lay your ass down...
Texan's ball at their 47.
Texans kneeling it.
Kneel #2.
Final score:
Texans 16, Colts 10
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Finally.
Big Texas
12-20-2015, 03:09 PM
Wow...who would have thought we would finally win in INDY with Weeden under center...I'll take it though...
popanot
12-20-2015, 03:23 PM
Not that it mattered as far as the outcome, but how the hell the NFL let Hasselbeck back in that game is beyond me. You would think when a guy slams his head on the ground, holds his head like he's just been shot in the ear and then has to leave the game, they would just end his day right then and there.
Not that it mattered as far as the outcome, but how the hell the NFL let Hasselbeck back in that game is beyond me. You would think when a guy slams his head on the ground, holds his head like he's just been shot in the ear and then has to leave the game, they would just end his day right then and there.
Hence the moronic throw with the game on the line. Wasn't as bad as the Keenum incident, but the whole concussion spotter things needs work.
Whatevs.....W
1-13.....
Nconroe
12-20-2015, 04:31 PM
Weeden looked OK for the glimpse we got. Really nice to finally win in Indy. Defense looking strong overall.
barrett
12-20-2015, 07:33 PM
Hence the moronic throw with the game on the line. Wasn't as bad as the Keenum incident, but the whole concussion spotter things needs work.
Whatevs.....W
1-13.....
That pass he threw could have been fair caught. It's embarassing he is on the field there. It is tough to tell who the biggest idiot in Indy is between Irsay/Grigson/Pagano. It's hilarious they had Luck fall in their lap.
chuck
12-20-2015, 10:34 PM
Hoyer came back in the game after an obvious concussion and did something equally disastrous. It happens all over the league.
I'm not sold on Luck being a, say, top-8 QB when healthy but we can have that discussion another time.
I really hope the team plays well behind whoever the QB will be and that they go into the playoffs 9-7. That actually wouldn't be so bad. I feel quite certain whover wins the NFC East will have a worse record.
popanot
12-21-2015, 07:20 AM
I really hope the team plays well behind whoever the QB will be and that they go into the playoffs 9-7. That actually wouldn't be so bad. I feel quite certain whover wins the NFC East will have a worse record.If we're lucky and win out, maybe we'll get even luckier and have the Bengals in the first round. Easy W there as the Bengals always turn into the Bungles in the playoffs.
HPF Bob
12-21-2015, 07:23 AM
I'd feel better going into the playoffs with Kirk Cousins under center than any of the four QBs the Texans have used. Heck, I'd feel better with RG3 at QB than the four QBs the Texans have used.
But, oddly enough, if the Texans actually do make the playoffs, they get home field for one game and if that opponent happens to be the Jets or the Broncos, they could even win that one. We've already beaten the Jets once and the Broncos are close to a freefall with no dependable QB of their own to run Kubiak's offense. (There was actually a Shiloh Keo sighting this week in Denver which means Kubes is now recycling our retreads).
And if that first-round victory means a return trip to Cincinnati, well, who's to say we couldn't get Yates to win there another time?
But it all boils down to beating the Titans and Jaguars first and I am betting we choke on one of the two and let the Colts reclaim the division.
HPF Bob
12-21-2015, 07:29 AM
Hey, AngryDre - way to pick yourself a playoff team to finish your career on. :p
nunusguy
12-21-2015, 07:43 AM
If we're lucky and win out, maybe we'll get even luckier and have the Bengals in the first round. Easy W there as the Bengals always turn into the Bungles in the playoffs.
Beating the Bengals is getting boring, lacks any real challenge, too automatic. I want some fresh meat, maybe the Broncos.
popanot
12-21-2015, 08:27 AM
On a related note, their decision to IR Savage was a demonstration of incredible hubris and sad delusion.Totally agree. It's not like he had a serious, season-ending injury. I get that they wanted to hold onto that IR-to-Return card as long as they could in case a critical player went down, but could they have not just held a roster spot open for him? I mean, I'm sure there have been players who have been inactive or have not played a snap all season, and do they really need a 3rd-to-5th backup at DL, LB, S, OL, TE that they couldn't find a waiver wire pick up if need be? It's much easier finding serviceable players (backups) at those position on waivers than a QB. It was a highly questionable move back then, which looks even worse now.
chuck
12-21-2015, 10:30 AM
If Yates beats the Bengals in the playoffs this year I'll fly to the US and host a party at the bar of Bob's choosing.
I would rather have Cecil Shorts at quarterback than RGIII and I am not exaggerating. This is obvious but the Texans are not a team that's going to win based on its quarterback play (although it can certainly lose on it) so just get a guy back there who won't do anything too profoundly stupid and let's hope that the defense shows up. By the way, does anyone know when JJ gets the cast off, if ever?
Also, I can't derive any joy out of AJ's misfortune, even if it is the Colts. He is far and away my favorite Texan and I'd hoped he would find some team success at some point. It's difficult to measure just how irresponsible it was for the team to squander a top ten all time great receiver and give him a season and a half of decent quarterback play.
If Yates beats the Bengals in the playoffs this year I'll fly to the US and host a party at the bar of Bob's choosing.
Yates tore his ACL. His playing days for the squad are likely done again.
chuck
12-21-2015, 11:04 AM
Yates tore his ACL. His playing days for the squad are likely done again.
I know that, hence the promise.
And if that first-round victory means a return trip to Cincinnati, well, who's to say we couldn't get Yates to win there another time?
Apparently they don't read NFL injury reports on Morning Edition because Bob's still in the dark on this one.
barrett
12-21-2015, 11:15 AM
If Yates beats the Bengals in the playoffs this year I'll fly to the US and host a party at the bar of Bob's choosing.
I would rather have Cecil Shorts at quarterback than RGIII and I am not exaggerating. This is obvious but the Texans are not a team that's going to win based on its quarterback play (although it can certainly lose on it) so just get a guy back there who won't do anything too profoundly stupid and let's hope that the defense shows up. By the way, does anyone know when JJ gets the cast off, if ever?
Also, I can't derive any joy out of AJ's misfortune, even if it is the Colts. He is far and away my favorite Texan and I'd hoped he would find some team success at some point. It's difficult to measure just how irresponsible it was for the team to squander a top ten all time great receiver and give him a season and a half of decent quarterback play.
I saw a great clip of Andre and Hopkins together after the game. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14408905
The interview itself is worthless but it is awesome to see the joy on Andre's face when he sees Hopkins. I almost wish AJ could come home to work for the organization, but I don't wish that on anyone. Maybe in the future.
nunusguy
12-21-2015, 01:05 PM
I saw a great clip of Andre and Hopkins together after the game. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14408905
The interview itself is worthless but it is awesome to see the joy on Andre's face when he sees Hopkins. I almost wish AJ could come home to work for the organization, but I don't wish that on anyone. Maybe in the future.
Yea that was actually kinda touching. Most reports are that Andre was a true big brother to Hop while they were together here in Houston. I sure hope Hop is named to this years pro bowl when they make the announcments tromorrow night. That too would probably bring a smile and tinge of pride to Andre.
HPF Bob
12-21-2015, 04:23 PM
Signing with Indy was like an "up yours" to the organization that employed him for a decade. He's dead to me.
Keith
12-21-2015, 07:03 PM
Hey, AngryDre - way to pick yourself a playoff team to finish your career on. :p
Guess the Texans were a little on the nose too saying Andre was a 40-catch guy this season. Iirc, he's sitting on 34 with two games to play. Plus he still hasn't won in Indy when the Texans were on the field.
In a bit more seriousness, knowingly taking this off-topic which will be its own thread at some point, 2015 has done nothing to improve Andre's HoF credentials. He just moved to 9th all time in yards (again, iirc, too lazy to click around), but this is a player in a crowded position when it comes to the HoF with just a pair of playoff wins. He deserves the HoF even if he never plays another down, but for his sake, I hope he finds a way to go out on his terms.
Keith
12-21-2015, 07:08 PM
Back on topic to the Indy game...
O'Brien clearly believes in his defense and knows that he has little to work with offensively. Attempting that 57-yard FG demonstrates that. He had an opportunity to pin the Colts deep and instead went for the hail mary field goal knowing (a) this offense couldn't even sniff the redzone and (b) the defense could be relied upon to keep the Colts in check.
Worst case scenario for the playoffs would be to draw the Steelers with a healthy Roethlisberger. No chance the Texans keep up with that imo regardless of Hoyer/Weeden/Daniels under center. But the way the D has played (outside of a couple bad series in Buffalo) gives them a good chance to win a home playoff.
barrett
12-21-2015, 09:14 PM
Signing with Indy was like an "up yours" to the organization that employed him for a decade. He's dead to me.
So when a guy gets cut by us, he needs to consider our feelings when he goes looking for work, or you hold a grudge?
The guy cashed out as big as possible in what was his last payday, and that was after we dumped him. Anyone who holds that against him needs to get some perspective.
chuck
12-21-2015, 09:43 PM
So when a guy gets cut by us, he needs to consider our feelings when he goes looking for work, or you hold a grudge?
Exactly. He left a team that clearly did not want him. I at least can be the bigger man about this and continue to be a fan of the player.
HPF Bob
12-21-2015, 11:06 PM
Nonsense. There were 28 other teams he could have picked. Choosing a division rival was to get back at Smith/McNair, etc. You're allowed your warm fuzzies after he hangs them but, to me, he's exactly what his uniform says - A JOHNSON.
barrett
12-22-2015, 12:07 AM
Nonsense. There were 28 other teams he could have picked. Choosing a division rival was to get back at Smith/McNair, etc. You're allowed your warm fuzzies after he hangs them but, to me, he's exactly what his uniform says - A JOHNSON.
They cut him and he took tons of money to close out his career in Indy. It's not like he chose them on a veteran discount. He tried to go to a winner and get paid. I am not sure how either of those can be faulted.
But more importantly, you blame him for wanting to get back at Smith/McNair? Do you really rally behind those two? They've done more harm to this franchise than our best 10 players going to the Colts tomorrow.
chuck
12-22-2015, 10:01 AM
There are 32 teams in the league. According to Bob 29 of them offered Andre a contract. I did not know that. I imagine all 29 of them also offered a contract to Frank Gore and had as head coach a prominent staff member from Andre's collegiate days.
Copycat league and all that I guess.
HPF Bob
12-22-2015, 10:23 AM
29 teams didn't offer Johnson a contract, I know that, but I'm sure there were other teams interested in Johnson besides the Colts. He didn't wait very long before signing. The Dolphins and Patriots were looking for WR help just to name two and the Hurricane community would have loved to see him back in the hood. Everyone has choices.
Hey, Favre went to the Vikings and a lot of Packer fans are still bitter about that. It was mentioned frequently when he returned to Lambeau this season.
If one day Watt is in the same situation and chooses the Colts or the Titans, I'm going to feel the same way. If they're traded, that's a different story.
barrett
12-22-2015, 10:48 AM
29 teams didn't offer Johnson a contract, I know that, but I'm sure there were other teams interested in Johnson besides the Colts. He didn't wait very long before signing. The Dolphins and Patriots were looking for WR help just to name two and the Hurricane community would have loved to see him back in the hood. Everyone has choices.
Hey, Favre went to the Vikings and a lot of Packer fans are still bitter about that. It was mentioned frequently when he returned to Lambeau this season.
If one day Watt is in the same situation and chooses the Colts or the Titans, I'm going to feel the same way. If they're traded, that's a different story.
And those Packers fans were idiots and you'd be an idiot to be angry at Watt.
Everything in the NFL favors the owners. Players have an extremely short window to get paid. If our team parts ways with a guy, he can go anywhere he wants to get paid. Especially when he has 1-2 remaining years of earning power and 40-50 remaining years of life. It's not like Andre is going to go get a TV job.
But again, if you look up and find yourself in Bob McNair and Rick Smith's corner, you need to examine your decision making process.
nunusguy
12-22-2015, 04:08 PM
Everything in the NFL favors the owners. Players have an extremely short window to get paid. If our team parts ways with a guy, he can go anywhere he wants to get paid. Especially when he has 1-2 remaining years of earning power and 40-50 remaining years of life. It's not like Andre is going to go get a TV job.
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That's how it works with capitalism, and its the capital and entrepreneurial skills of past and present NFL owners that has made for the opportunities for these young guys to leverage their freakish athletic traits in a way that nothing else possibly could. And last I checked nothing compulsory about playing pro ball.
barrett
12-22-2015, 05:12 PM
That's how it works with capitalism, and its the capital and entrepreneurial skills of past and present NFL owners that has made for the opportunities for these young guys to leverage their freakish athletic traits in a way that nothing else possibly could. And last I checked nothing compulsory about playing pro ball.
I never threw a pity party for the millionaires. I just said I didn't feel like the millionaires owed anything to the billionaires who fired them.
I'm starting to hear murmurs (http://www.footballlocks.com/nfl_odds.shtml) that the Titans are going to be 4.5 point favorites over the Texans. Man! He won't do it, but if I was OB, I'd put that up on the bulletin board in 128 pt font....
chuck
12-22-2015, 09:25 PM
Idiots like Bob and nunu are perennial owner apologists. They spout bullshit like "its the capital and entrepreneurial skills of past and present NFL owners that has made for the opportunities for these young guys to leverage their freakish athletic traits in a way that nothing else possibly could," conveniently forgetting that corporate welfare typically gave these owners a clear path to their wealth not available to normal people, that the NFL enjoys insane anti-trust protection and that most of these repellent pricks had taxpayers build their stadiums for them. And, of course, it's the television contracts that get these players paid like they do.
These assholes are force-fed what they likely think of as conservative ideals. Actually, there is probably very little force feeding happening; they most likely happily take it in their oral orifice and elsewhere. Big government participates in stacking the deck for the billionaire owners with respect to their wealth accumulation, their anti-trust protection and the stadium building. Yet these idiots parade up and down bitching about taxes and government intrusion in their lives and so on but when it's rich white guys against uppity black guys, well, they stand in line to lick the taint. It's sad how typically hypocritical these clowns are. It's almost enough to make you want to leave the country to avoid them.
Oh, happy holidays to all you necks.
barrett
12-23-2015, 12:47 AM
I read an interesting article a few weeks ago about the irony in the fact that the USA has completely socialist sports leagues (government support, tax subsidies, use of public land, revenue sharing, salary caps, draft systems that give the best players to the worst teams, etc...).
Meanwhile socialist Europe has completely capitalist sports systems (no salary caps, no drafts, no leveling systems, relegation).
It is foolish to call making money on owning a pro sports team a capitalist venture.
HPF Bob
12-23-2015, 04:22 AM
I like what the British do. The lowest-performing teams are kicked down to a lower league and replaced by the highest-performing teams at the level below them. If that were done here, the Astros would still be climbing out of A-ball.
nunusguy
12-23-2015, 07:38 AM
Idiots like Bob and nunu are perennial owner apologists. They spout bullshit like "its the capital and entrepreneurial skills of past and present NFL owners that has made for the opportunities for these young guys to leverage their freakish athletic traits in a way that nothing else possibly could," conveniently forgetting that corporate welfare typically gave these owners a clear path to their wealth not available to normal people, that the NFL enjoys insane anti-trust protection and that most of these repellent pricks had taxpayers build their stadiums for them. And, of course, it's the television contracts that get these players paid like they do.
These assholes are force-fed what they likely think of as conservative ideals. Actually, there is probably very little force feeding happening; they most likely happily take it in their oral orifice and elsewhere. Big government participates in stacking the deck for the billionaire owners with respect to their wealth accumulation, their anti-trust protection and the stadium building. Yet these idiots parade up and down bitching about taxes and government intrusion in their lives and so on but when it's rich white guys against uppity black guys, well, they stand in line to lick the taint. It's sad how typically hypocritical these clowns are. It's almost enough to make you want to leave the country to avoid them.
Oh, happy holidays to all you necks.
Now I ask you, are you also concerned that the Chuckster has not yet been seized by the Christmas Spirit ? Well I'm going to remain hopeful because there's still a couple more days for him to find that spirit of peace and goodwill towards his fellow man.
chuck
12-23-2015, 10:42 AM
Now I ask you, are you also concerned that the Chuckster has not yet been seized by the Christmas Spirit ? Well I'm going to remain hopeful because there's still a couple more days for him to find that spirit of peace and goodwill towards his fellow man.
I wished you happy holidays, dude. That's about as possessed with anything as I get. And I menat it, too. Happy and safe holidays, everyone.
popanot
12-23-2015, 12:26 PM
Why should an athlete have loyalty to any team or owner? Most were not raised in the city they ultimately play for. Most were not fans of the team they ultimately play for. Why should they be loyal to the fans or owner who most of the time want to run the player out of town when they get older or underperform.
Careers are short for NFL players and the salaries are the lowest in sports. If I were AJ, or any other player for that matter, you're damn right I'll go to an 'enemy' team if they're offering me good money and security. And keep in mind, the Colts were pretty darn good last year and were ranked pretty high as favorites to make the SB. I'm sure AJ never expected to have the season they are having when he signed.
As for the owners, when the hell have they ever been loyal to a city or its fans? AJ went played for a franchise that moved. Houston's former team/owner moved. We have 3 team threatening to move to LA this next year. Yeah, right, loyalty... What a freaking joke!
HPF Bob
12-23-2015, 07:05 PM
Idiots like Bob and nunu are perennial owner apologists. They spout bullshit like "its the capital and entrepreneurial skills of past and present NFL owners that has made for the opportunities for these young guys to leverage their freakish athletic traits in a way that nothing else possibly could," conveniently forgetting that corporate welfare typically gave these owners a clear path to their wealth not available to normal people, that the NFL enjoys insane anti-trust protection and that most of these repellent pricks had taxpayers build their stadiums for them. And, of course, it's the television contracts that get these players paid like they do.
You're certainly taking this rant way off base. I haven't said these things, nor do I believe them. The professional athlete makes a deal with the devil everytime they step on the field. They get paid extremely well. In return, they could be crippled now or crippled later. In a sense, no different than a soldier of fortune. Who they choose to represent or whether they continue playing at all is entirely up to them except for the limitations of the COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT negotiated between the league and the PLAYERS UNION - a factor you conveniently forget.
Do you not remember I grew up with Bud Adams and now suffer through Jim Crane?? I know about asshole owners and do NOT universally praise them or unconditionally support them. I'm no fan of holding a team hostage with threats to move them until the city coughs up a new stadium. But it happens and, at most, the only say I have in the matter is one vote.
I'm glad you found new soil to live on, Chuck, with a political system more to your liking. Too bad more America-haters didn't leave like you instead of ruining our federal government.
Feliz Navidad and say hi to Fidel and Raul the next time you do the secret handshake with them. From each according to their ability; to each according to their need. Death to the capitalist running dogs!! Viva Marx!
barrett
12-23-2015, 08:57 PM
You're certainly taking this rant way off base. I haven't said these things, nor do I believe them. The professional athlete makes a deal with the devil everytime they step on the field. They get paid extremely well. In return, they could be crippled now or crippled later. In a sense, no different than a soldier of fortune. Who they choose to represent or whether they continue playing at all is entirely up to them except for the limitations of the COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT negotiated between the league and the PLAYERS UNION - a factor you conveniently forget.
Do you not remember I grew up with Bud Adams and now suffer through Jim Crane?? I know about asshole owners and do NOT universally praise them or unconditionally support them. I'm no fan of holding a team hostage with threats to move them until the city coughs up a new stadium. But it happens and, at most, the only say I have in the matter is one vote.
I'm glad you found new soil to live on, Chuck, with a political system more to your liking. Too bad more America-haters didn't leave like you instead of ruining our federal government.
Feliz Navidad and say hi to Fidel and Raul the next time you do the secret handshake with them. From each according to their ability; to each according to their need. Death to the capitalist running dogs!! Viva Marx!
So anything short of blatant extortion and you are supportive? Since Bob McNair didn't threaten to move the team you stand firmly behind him and are offended that Andre Johnson may or may not have stuck it to him by going to Indy?
chuck
12-24-2015, 03:21 PM
The CBA exists between the players' union and the owners. (I love how you say 'union' like it were some communicable disease.) The owners can and do elect to act in ways counter to the intention of the CBA. You may recall that the latest lock-out was the last straw for me. I gave up my season tickets (and forfeited the PSL money) then and there. While there were several here who were vocal in their support of the owners at that time, I do not specifically remember your being among them. I'm not interested in going back to check, so I'll carry forth as if you remained silent on the topic. It's unfair to ascribe to you words or thoughts that I can't document, even if it's merely due to apathy on my part. Plus, you've been recently spotted apologizing for the owners so that's good enough for me.
On a side note, I'm not sure what your issue with Crane may be. Other than the fact that he golfs with your President, I mean. I blame the league change on Drayton's cowardly actions, not on Crane. And I think the string of horrible losing seasons has been redeemed by their success last year and their bright future. But if you want to be mad at Crane, that's fine with me. I never suspected you'd get too worked up about EEOC violations or blatant war profiteering but I'm glad to welcome you to the fold on those counts.
In addition to being a legal permanent resident of several other countries I'm still a US citizen, by the way, and I still vote. And I certainly do not hate the United States. I do hate the vision deluded nutjobs like you have for the country, but I suspect this recent fad will run its course soon enough and the adults can resume making adult decisions without undue interference from the children's table. And if not, guess what? I'm happy to live in a place with universal access to healthcare and strict gun control. I can take my son to the park without worrying that some adderol addled freak is going to jump out of the bougainvillea and start picking kids off the jungle gym. Or, also important, that the police won't show up and do the same.
One last thing - capitalism is what allows me to hang out with my family all day (and annoy rednecks on the internet) rather than clock in for the second shift at the dirt factory. I don't know why you'd try to associate me with Raul or Maduro or Kirchner or Correa or any of the other clowns on the loose down here. I'm mature enough to see that the world is not monochrome. Maybe one day you might be, too.
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