View Full Version : Official Texas @ Bills Game Thread, 12/06/2015
The 6-5 Texans will shuffle off to Buffalo to take on the 5-6 Bills this Sunday in an early game. The Bills are coming of three road games in a row and lost their last two games of that set, @ New England (20-13) and most recently @ Kansas City (30-22). No rain and high 40šs are predicted for Buffalo on Sunday.
The Texans will attempt to keep a string of four wins in a row going but will surely face a determined Rex Ryan-led Bills squad. The Texans are 6-5 ATS and the Bills are 4-6-1 ATS.
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TV = CBS (channel 11 local), noon CST, Sunday, Dec 6
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2015&wk=13) = Spero Dedes, Solomon Wilcots
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Bills by 3
Looks like along with most of Texas and western New York, most of Indiana (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2015&wk=13) will be rooting the Texans on to victory.
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
FOX (early) = Seattle @ Minnesota -- Kevin Burkhardt, John Lynch
FOX (late) = Philadelphia @ New England -- Thom Brennaman, Charles Davis
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Prime time:
TNF = Green Bay @ Detroit, CBS/NFLN
SNF = Indianapolis @ Pittsburgh, NBC
MNF = Dallas @ Washington, ESPN
As of now, appears we're going to get lucky with the weather. Never know about Buffalo this time of year. No precipitation, and "mild" (for them) temps in the 40's. Not too shabby.
Hope the good guys can stay focused and continue to entertain us!
barrett
12-02-2015, 04:59 PM
As of now, appears we're going to get lucky with the weather. Never know about Buffalo this time of year. No precipitation, and "mild" (for them) temps in the 40's. Not too shabby.
Hope the good guys can stay focused and continue to entertain us!
I think bad weather might help us.
I think bad weather might help us.
If we had Arian, I'd probably agree. Since we seem to have more success thru the air, thinking the forecast is more of a benefit to us than them.
Shady vs. Blue isn't a matchup that points in our direction.
James Palmer @JamesPalmerTV 3m3 minutes ago
J.J. Watt leads the NFL with 13.5 sacks this season. The entire Bills defensive line has 10.0 sacks combined this season.
Seems this game is a pretty tough one to handicap. Straight up, most (61%) (http://nflpickwatch.com/) are picking the Bills which is what you would expect for a 3 pt favorite. The ESPN picks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks) however, give the Texans the edge with 8 votes to 6.
Against the spread, it's pretty much a coin flip as I'm seeing just about equal action on both teams. In this video (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/video/texans-vs-bills-preview-nfl-week-13-picks-v-30390/), the tout kinda beats around the bush on the side but does like the 41.5 pts to go "over". The interviewer however, leans towards the Texans at +3....
Not good when your starting guard leaves in an ambulance 2 hours before kickoff.
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Texans are receiving.
Mumph brings the kickoff back to the Texans 23.
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Texan's ball at their 23.
Pass to Hop nearly picked, inc. but holding on Texans backs it up, -10. 1st and 20.
Blue for a couple. 2nd and 17 coming up.
Pass over the middle to Fido goes for 8. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Hoyer pressured, throws it away. Texans will have to punt.
Punt is downed at the Bills 42. Late flags on the play.....5 yards added to the end of the play for illegal touching on the Texans.
Bill's ball at their 47.
McCoy for 5.
McCoy for 2. 3rd and 3 coming up.
McCoy sweeps left for 6 and the 1st down.
Gillislee goes right for big gain. Ball at the Texan 10.
Gillislee gets caught for loss of 2.
Taylor keeps for about 8. Ball at the 3.
Pass to Watkins goes for the TD. 3 yards.
Bills 7, Texans 0
9:37 left in the 1st qtr.
Big Texas
12-06-2015, 12:19 PM
I log in to nfl.com and the first thing I see is a big picture of Brian Hoyer. This always bothers me. Every time there seems to be big hype around our team, we wet the bed.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Grimes for maybe 1.
Pass to Griffin gets 6. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Flags presnap.....defense offsides, 5 yards and a 1st down.
Polk gets loose for 20. Ball in Bills territory.
Polk for no gain. Jones shaken up on the play, injury timeout. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Washington gets 9. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Eheh, Hoyer finds Lamm for 7 yards and the 1st down.
Polk for 2 or 3. Ball at the Bills 28.
Hoyer's pass to Strong along the sideline goes out of bounds, inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Grimes powers for 18 and the 1st down near the 10 yard line.
Grimes for just a couple. 2nd and 7 at the Buffalo 8.
Quick snap and pass to Griffin goes for the TD!
Novak misses the extra point.
Bills 7, Texans 6
3:58 left in the 1st qtr.
Big Texas
12-06-2015, 12:29 PM
Thats how you get fired Novak...:mad:
Bills bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 29.
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Bill's ball at their 29.
Taylor can't find a receiver and keeps for 2.
McCoy gets loose for 32. Ball at the Texan 37.
Gillislee for 3.
Taylor throws into the endzone, inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Pass to Clay gets 11 and the 1st down.
McCoy sweeps left for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.
McCoy caught by Clowney for no gain.
On 3rd and 1, McCoy gets the 1st down at the Texan 8. 1st and goal.
End of the 1st qtr.
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Defense must me reading the newspaper..........
Taylor keeps and goes left for the TD.
Bills 14, Texans 6
14:53 left in the half.
Big Texas
12-06-2015, 12:42 PM
That extra point is gonna bite us in the ass...
Romeo needs to figure out how to set the edge.
chuck
12-06-2015, 12:45 PM
That extra point is gonna bite us in the ass...
Not if the Bills keep running at Simon. They have a hundred yards rushing in the first mfing quarter. I can't tell where Clowney is. I don't understand why Simon is all alone trying to contain the edge.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Polk for about 6.
Pass to Shorts is caught and then fumbled... refs confirm it as a catch and a 1st down. Gain of 16.
Short pass to Hop goes for 7.
Polk goes for 3 but holding on the Texans backs it up, -10. Makes it 2nd and 14 coming up.
Pass to Shorts gets 14 and the 1st down. Ball at the Bills 47.
Blue for about 4.
Eeesh, Hoyer gets sacked. Loss of 11.
Pass to Hop is dropped, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Punt is fair caught at the Bill 13, flag is down..... penalty on the Texans for ineligible downfield added to the end of the play. Places the ball at the Bill 19.
Bills' ball at their 19 with 10:54 left in the half.
Screen to McCoy goes for about 3 but holding on Bills = 1/2 the distance, makes it 1st and 19.
McCoy for 3. 2nd and 16 coming up.
Pass to McCoy broken up by Mercilus, inc. 3rd and 16 coming up.
Bills rush for about 6 on 3rd down. Bills have to punt.....
Punt is fair caught at the Texan 39.
Texan's ball at their 39 with 9:05 left in the half.
Shorts takes the snap and goes left for 1.
Pass to Washington gets 13 and the 1st down.
Pass to Washington gets 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Polk runs for 5, 1st down.
Texans use a timeout.
Hoyer keeps for nice gain. Ball at the Bill 22.
Blue for 3.
Pass to Grimes goes all the way inside the 5 but flags are down....illegal block in the back on Griffin ........ticky tack.... 2nd and 5 coming up...
Pass to Washington gets 4 or so..... Makes it 3rd and 1.
Hoyer keeps for the 1 and the 1st down. Ball at the Bills 11.
Flat pass to Polk goes for the TD! Late flag on the play....Unsportmanlike on Hop will be enforced on the kickoff.
Bills 14, Texans 13
3:57 left in the half.
Texans kicking off from their 20 because of the penalty.
Bills bring the kickoff back to their 29.
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Bills' ball at their 29.
Deep pass to Watkins goes for 53.
Bills use a timeout with 3:09 left in the half.
McCoy runs to the 12 yard line. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Taylor's pass into the endzone goes inc. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Taylor keeps up the gut for the 1st down at the 6 yard line. 1st and goal.
2 minute warning.
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McCoy sweeps right for maybe 1. 2nd and goal coming up.
Direct snap to McCoy goes to the 2. 3rd and goal coming up.
Bills use a timeout.
Pass to Woods goes for the TD.
Bills 21, Texans 13
30 seconds left in the half.
Bills are playing smart and just about everything is working.... Texans gotta have some turnovers in the 2nd half...
Big Texas
12-06-2015, 01:24 PM
Our defense has had to make up for a poor offense for most of this season. Let's see if it can work the other way around.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Texans kneel it.
Halftime.
Bills 21, Texans 13
barrett
12-06-2015, 01:26 PM
I understand holding could get called on every play, but on the long pass to Watkins, Watt gets held around the throat in headlock fashion. It amazes me that the best and most visible player in the game gets mugged by no name OL and the league puts up with it. I guess they truly don't want anyone successfully playing defense.
HPF Bob
12-06-2015, 01:33 PM
I can't blame KJ's pass defense even though the Bills are keying on him. He's just missing on these passes. He's right there with the receiver.
Simon, OTOH, is being exposed. When the Texans flip and put Clowney on that side, he stops those sweeps but Simon is just too slow and not wrapping up.
They're also doubling and triple-teaming Watt to great effect. We need somebody else to be explosive.
nunusguy
12-06-2015, 01:36 PM
But on the plus side Polk and Grimes are both really running sell, including YAC. Wonder what took Obrien so long to give them more reps over Blue ?
The 2nd half kickoff is brought back to the 16 yard line.
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Bills' ball at their 16.
McCoy for 4.
McCoy for 3. Brings up 3rd and 3.
Taylor pressured, throws too long downfield, inc. Bills will have to punt.
Punt rolls to the Texan 31.5 yard line.
Texan's ball at their 32.
Pass to Washington gets 7.
Hunt for 6 and the 1st down.
Screen to Hunt goes for no gain. A Bill (Gilmore) shaken up on the play. Injury timeout.
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Really need a shutout from the defense in the 2nd half.....
On 2nd and 10, pass to Washington gets 6. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Hoyer's pass too high for Washington, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Punt is downed at the Bill 4 yard line.
Bills' ball at their 5.
Pass to Clay gets 5.
McCoy goes left for 4. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Taylor keeps for the 1 and the 1st down.
Pass to Watkins goes for big gain but holding on the Bills brings it back. Makes it 1st and 18.
Pass to Hogan goes inc. 2nd and 18 coming up.
Pass to Woods is caught but out of bounds so inc. 3rd and 18 coming up.
Pass to Gillislee gets 5. Bills will have to punt.
Punt is fair caught by Mumphrey at the Texan 44.
Texan's ball at their 43.
Polk for about 5.
Oy, deep pass to Washington is broken up, inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Nice catch by Shorts for a 1st down at the Bills 37.
Grimes for maybe 1. Flag is down....chop block on Griffin, -15. Makes it 1st and 25 at the Texan 49.
Hoyer sacked at the Texan 40. 2nd and 33 coming up.
Grimes for about 4. Brings up 3rd and 29.
Screen to Shorts goes to the Bill 44. Texans will punt on 4th and 18.
Lechler's punt is caught by C James at the Bills 9 yard line.
Bills' ball at their 9.
4:03 left in the 3rd qtr.
Gillislee for 1.
Taylor keeps for no gain.
On 3rd and 10, jeez, deep pass to Watkins goes for 52. Ball at the Texan 38.
Gillislee for 4.
Gillislee for almost 2. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Pass into the endzone is inc. Bills will go for the 50-yard FG.
FG hit the upright, no good.
Score remains:
Bills 21, Texans 13
31 seconds left in the 3rd qtr.
Texan's ball at their 40.
Polk for no gain.
End of the 3rd qtr.
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On 2nd and 10, pass to Shorts goes inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Hop gets 10 and the 1st down at midfield.
Hoyer pressured, throws it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Blue gets almost 5.
On 3rd and 6, pass to Washington off the mark, inc. Texans to punt.
Bills fair catch the punt at their 14 yard line. Late flag.......penalty on Prosch adds 5 yards at the end of the play.
Bills' ball at their 19.
13:20 left in the game.
Taylor sacked by Clowney! Loss of 8. Brings up 2nd and 18.
Screen to Clay gets about 8. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Woo, pass to Clay is dropped. Bills will have to punt.
Mumph doesn't catch the punt and it rolls all the way to the Texan 17.
Big Texas
12-06-2015, 02:24 PM
This team is content on killing themselves. So many opportunities. So little production by the offense.
chuck
12-06-2015, 02:24 PM
Mind boggling special teams dickstepping all game today.
Texan's ball at their 17.
11:58 left in the game. Really need some points this drive...
Pass to Hop goes for 23.
Polk for no gain.
Polk for about 9. Brings up 3rd and 1.
Pass to Hop goes all the way to the Bills 22, 1st down.
Polk for 3.
Pass in the endzone to Hop goes for the TD! Texans going for 2.....
Grimes punches it in for the 2 points!
Texans 21, Bills 21
9:12 left in the game.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to about the Bills 24.
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Bills' ball at their 24.
Pass to Woods gets 17.
McCoy for no gain.
McCoy for 5. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Watt with the sack! Flags are down.... holding on both teams offset, replay the down.
On 3rd and 5, pass is nearly INT'ed by KJo but inc. Bills will have to punt.
Mumph catches the punt around the Texan 19.
Texan's ball at their 20 with 6:43 left in the game.
Hunt sweeps right for like 6 but holding on Fido backs it up. Makes it 1st and 20.
Polk for 6. Brings up 2nd and 14.
Man, deep pass to Washington goes inc but flag is down....illegal formation on the Texans is declined. Brings up 3rd and 14.
Grimes carries for 2. (??) Texans will have to punt.
Thigpen brings the punt back to the Bill 40 but a flag is down....add 5 for Blue being ineligible downfield.....
Bills' ball at their 45.
McCoy for 1.
McCoy for 4. Brings up 3rd and 5 with about 4 minutes left in the game.
Pass is deflected inc but Hal. Bills have to punt.
Man, punt goes out bounds at the Texan 6.
Texan's ball at their 6.
Pass to Griffin broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Polk for 4. Brings up 3rd and 6.
Pass to Shorts is broken up, inc. Shorts got hammered. Texans will have to punt with 2:47 left in the game.
Thigpen brings it a long way back but flag is down.... holding on Bills, whew.... Places the ball at the Bills' 35.
Bills' ball at their 35.
Taylor keep for a couple but holding on the Bills backs it up 10 yards. Makes it 1st and 20.
Pass to Hogan gets 12. 2nd and 8 coming up.
McCoy carries all the way to the Texan 43, 1st down.
Gillislee for 3.
2 minute warning.
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Both teams have all timeouts.
On 2nd and 7, pass over the middle to Clay goes for the TD. 40 yards.
Point after is missed.
Bills 27, Texan 21
1:53 left in the game.
Big Texas
12-06-2015, 02:58 PM
Just keep giving us chances...defense looks pathetic
Big Texas
12-06-2015, 03:00 PM
The true Hoyer stands talk
Hmmm, 2 minute drive time....
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Pass to Washington is broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Hop too low and inc. Brings up 3rd and 10.
Oh my goodness, Hoyer's throw off the mark, Shorts was open. Texans going for it on 4th down.....
Timeout Texans (#1).
Pass to Shorts is broken up, inc. Ball turns over on downs.
Bills ball at the Texan 20.
McCoy goes left for no gain.
McCoy for no gain. Texans use their final timeout.
On 3rd and 10, Taylor keeps for 2. Bills will go for the FG.
37 seconds left in the game.
Carpenter's 36-yarder is good.
Bills 30, Texans 21
popanot
12-06-2015, 03:10 PM
Defense was awful, Nate Washington is trash and for the life of me I don't understand how he plays over any other WR on the roster, and Hoyer was, well, Hoyer. They had opportunities, but no one made a big play when they needed one.
Well hell.
Let's go Steelers.
chuck
12-06-2015, 03:11 PM
This was basically a must-win game. I don't understand their leaving Simon alone on the edge in the first half, and I don't understand why Hoyer rarely looked to Nuke when he had him in one on one coverage, especially in that crucial series.
Big Texas
12-06-2015, 03:15 PM
I keep setting myself up to believe and hope that Hoyer would be more than who he truly is..."an overachieving backup"...He had a number of chances to step up to the plate...but he over threw, under threw, and fell apart when the team needed him...I counted at least 4 deep balls to open receivers and he couldn't complete the pass...
Well can 9-7 get us in...there's no way we beat NE...
The ensuing kickoff goes out of the endzone, touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20 with 33 seconds left in the game.
Pass to Shorts gets 10.
Pass to Griffin goes to about the Texan 45. A Bill (Brooks) injured on the play.... 19 seconds left.
Short pass to Grimes gets 4. 14 seconds left.
Hoyer's pass off the mark, inc. 9 seconds left.
On 3rd and 6, pass to Shorts goes to the Bills 28. 3 seconds left.
Pass into the endzone is INT'ed.
Time expires.
Final score:
Bills 30, Texans 21
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Hoyer inaccurate when it counted... Missed opportunities all over. Of course the Colts will lose tonight....
chuck
12-06-2015, 03:31 PM
I don't have any illusions about who or what Yates is but I'm sorry to say that the offense looks more lively when he's out there. Hoyer just brings so little.
I don't have any illusions about who or what Yates is but I'm sorry to say that the offense looks more lively when he's out there. Hoyer just brings so little.
Don't know that TJ is going to complete 60% of his passes and 3 TD'S. Dude was on the couch until week 10 for a reason.
D read too many headlines and didn't come ready to play. Especially in the 1st half. Didn't really care for the personnel groupings either.
And the atrocious ST came back today....
barrett
12-06-2015, 09:06 PM
I keep setting myself up to believe and hope that Hoyer would be more than who he truly is..."an overachieving backup"...He had a number of chances to step up to the plate...but he over threw, under threw, and fell apart when the team needed him...I counted at least 4 deep balls to open receivers and he couldn't complete the pass...
Well can 9-7 get us in...there's no way we beat NE...
I agree with all of this except the overachieving part. Hoyer has never had results and is just a coach's favorite type. Any coach or GM giving him a job should have one themselves.
Chuck, I am proud to say I was not bothered at any point today. They almost made me care again after last week, but not quite. This is a broken team, and rooting for them to win enough 9-7 games to get trounced in the playoffs is pointless. We are just pretending when we have Hoyer to Washington at key moments. I enjoyed the Katy-Manvel game at NRG far more then this one. It was nice seeing excellence on that field.
chuck
12-06-2015, 09:43 PM
Chuck, I am proud to say I was not bothered at any point today.
Good for you. You're ahead of me on that front. Although I did leave the house after the game and had a pleasant enough afternoon whereas in the past I would have stayed at home and tortured myself with the postgame show where crazed rednecks call in and complain about everything they can think of, not unlike me on this board.
And anyway at least Keith saw a spike in traffic today.
Glad to see you two realize that this is entertainment. If it gets to the point that it's not, find something else to do.
Personally, I would like to have the playoffs, even if we're a 9-7 team that will get schlacked. It's another game that matters to me. Most likely scenario now would be a Division title, which means a home game and even better entertainment. Good stuff as far as I'm concerned.
We should never be to the point to where we are counting on Hoyer to win a game. That ain't him. He's a game manager and needs support from his WR's to catch balls that hit their hands, and decent showings from the D and ST. Didn't get that from the D in the 1st half, didn't get it all from the ST. That equals an L.
chuck
12-06-2015, 10:11 PM
Glad to see you two realize that this is entertainment.
Now, let's not get crazy here.
Glad to see you two realize that this is entertainment. If it gets to the point that it's not, find something else to do.
Personally, I would like to have the playoffs, even if we're a 9-7 team that will get schlacked. It's another game that matters to me. Most likely scenario now would be a Division title, which means a home game and even better entertainment. Good stuff as far as I'm concerned.
We should never be to the point to where we are counting on Hoyer to win a game. That ain't him. He's a game manager and needs support from his WR's to catch balls that hit their hands, and decent showings from the D and ST. Didn't get that from the D in the 1st half, didn't get it all from the ST. That equals an L.
Yeah, me too. I'd much rather see my team in the playoffs than not in the playoffs. One more (two more? three more?) game(s) is bonus entertainment....
nunusguy
12-07-2015, 07:04 AM
Well can 9-7 get us in...there's no way we beat NE...
Philly beat them in NE yesterday, and Philly is not good this year. Trouble is it was NEs 2nd straight loss which means we'd have to be the team which hands them their 3rd straight loss to win this upcoming game. The Pats do have a ton of injuries and Gronk is out again next week. After Pitt beat Indy by five TDs last night, we've still got a shot. Hey something to play for this weekend - we've got a shot, and more that than just on paper. We are 6-6 as is Indy.
popanot
12-07-2015, 08:43 AM
Philly beat them in NE yesterday, and Philly is not good this year.Not saying we can't beat NE, but Philly beat them on a 100yd Pick-6 and 2 Special Teams TD's. I can't remember the last time our ST's won a game for us or even had a big part in a W. It will definitely be a tough game, and hopefully the D will show up again. Every game at this point is pretty much a must-win.
nunusguy
12-07-2015, 01:50 PM
Listening to local Sports talk radio this morning when several callers blamed yesterdays loss on O'Briend & RAC, saying they were out coached by Ryan and his staff. I don't buy it. For quite a few years we had a guy like Sammy Watkins, a freak athletic WR who on a couple plays in a game could make the difference between a win or loss that day.
chuck
12-07-2015, 04:36 PM
Listening to local Sports talk radio this morning when several callers blamed yesterdays loss on O'Briend & RAC, saying they were out coached by Ryan and his staff. I don't buy it. For quite a few years we had a guy like Sammy Watkins, a freak athletic WR who on a couple plays in a game could make the difference between a win or loss that day.
I think the Texans do have a guy like Sammy Watkins, they just don't have anyone who can get him the ball. Also, their running backs are much better than the Texans' running backs.
I do think that there was an element of being outcoached in the first quarter. But at least they made some adjustments.
HPF Bob
12-07-2015, 05:30 PM
Listening to local Sports talk radio this morning when several callers blamed yesterdays loss on O'Briend & RAC, saying they were out coached by Ryan and his staff. I don't buy it. For quite a few years we had a guy like Sammy Watkins, a freak athletic WR who on a couple plays in a game could make the difference between a win or loss that day.
I think they were outcoached. The first-half plan was clearly a) isolate the RB on Simon (51) and test Kevin Johnson (30). We didn't adjust to that soon enough. And the Bills definitely had the right play call on the winning touchdown.
Our 3 bugaboos that show up when we lose returned again: a) too many penalties, b) special teams failures, c) too many dropped passes. It was amazing we were still tied late in the game despite all that.
barrett
12-07-2015, 09:09 PM
It is on O'Brien to the degree that he makes personnel decisions. When you are counting on Hoyer, Washington, Shorts, Grimes and Polk as key 4th quarter guys, you shouldn't be winning games at all.
nunusguy
12-07-2015, 10:04 PM
I think the Texans do have a guy like Sammy Watkins, they just don't have anyone who can get him the ball. Also, their running backs are much better than the Texans' running backs.
I do think that there was an element of being outcoached in the first quarter. But at least they made some adjustments.
Hopkins is a talented receiver but with certain limitations, since he's not the athletic freak that Watkins is or that Andre Johnson was 6 or 7 years ago.
The best of team defenses will lose some battles against elite skill position
athletes that will result in game losses now and then.
nunusguy
12-07-2015, 10:11 PM
It is on O'Brien to the degree that he makes personnel decisions. When you are counting on Hoyer, Washington, Shorts, Grimes and Polk as key 4th quarter guys, you shouldn't be winning games at all.
Yea you are certainly right there because to a large extent it's probably on O'Brien that he's only got mediocre talent at key positions, especially at QB.
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