View Full Version : Official Texans @ Bengals Game Thread, 11/16/2015
Figured I'd go ahead and start on a thread on this....
The Bengals are 10.5 to 11.5 pt favorites (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php). Just a tad high I'd say but who knows..... Might be a blowout, might be an upset... Depends on which Texans team shows up.....
The Titans upset the Saints at the Superdome yesterday... All of a sudden the upcoming Saints game doesn't look so tough but the 2nd meeting with the Titans does look tougher...
Broncos gave no help falling to the Colts yesterday.....
HPF Bob
11-09-2015, 12:42 PM
Bengals and Texans both have extra time to prepare for this one but this definitely smells like a trap game for Cincy. That's about the only way Houston has a chance if the Bengals just aren't taking them seriously.
Would be funny as hell if the Texans decided to start T.J. Yates just to give Cincy flashbacks and mess with them.
barrett
11-09-2015, 09:12 PM
Bengals and Texans both have extra time to prepare for this one but this definitely smells like a trap game for Cincy. That's about the only way Houston has a chance if the Bengals just aren't taking them seriously.
Would be funny as hell if the Texans decided to start T.J. Yates just to give Cincy flashbacks and mess with them.
I think JJ Watt is probably giving Dalton flashbacks already. If not for the 2 playoff games we stomped him in, Dalton would be a top 10 QB with about $30 million more in guaranteed money.
I don't think we'll win this game because we are not good at football. But I don't think Cincinnati is 8-0 level good.
popanot
11-10-2015, 11:20 AM
Didn't realize this is a MNF game. We are going to get trounced. We always suck on national TV, let alone on the road against a really good team.
The 3-5 Texans travel to Cincinnati to take on the 8-0 Bengals this Monday night in a prime time affair. The Bengals are coming off Thursday night home win over the Browns 31-10 and thus will have extra rest for the contest.
The Texans, coming off their bye week, will have additional rest time and will need it as the they will be big underdogs. Walterfootball (http://walterfootball.com/nflpicks2015_10early.php) came up with this trend regarding undefeated teams, large spreads and prime time:
..............It sort of makes sense that teams laying two-plus touchdowns wouldn't show up, but that's a small sample size and doesn't apply to any squad this week. So, let's try a different approach:
On National TV: 9-3 ATS
Whoa, here we go. Undefeated teams might be lazy when being favored by a ton against poor opponents, but not if they're showcased in a prime-time affair. These teams have gotten up for the national stage, and predictably so. The three exceptions were the 2007 Patriots, who were favored by 23.5 over the Eagles and 20 at Baltimore, but didn't cover either; and the Colts, who battled rival New England in 2009. Every other occurrence covered, which bodes well for the Bengals on Monday night.
So, doesn't look good for the Texans to cover the spread much less win the game..... :/
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TV = ESPN, 7:30 pm, Monday, October 16
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2015&wk=10) = Mike Turico, John Gruden
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Bengals by 10 to 12
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Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
CBS (early) = Miami @ Philadelphia -- Kevin Harlan, Rich Gannon
CBS (late) = Kansas City @ Denver -- Greg Gumbel, Trent Green
FOX (early) = Dallas @ Tampa Bay -- Kevin Burkhardt, John Lynch
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Other prime time:
TNF = Buffalo @ New York Jets (NFLN)
SNF = Arizona @ Seattle (NBC)
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Teams on bye: Atlanta, Indianapolis, San Diego, San Francisco
I think no one is going with the Texans to win straight up tonight.... The ESPN "experts" (http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks) and everyone else (http://nflpickwatch.com/) are all onboard the Bengal bandwagon.... Yesterday, the Lions vs. GB were in similar position - underdog, big spread, etc... Jason LaCanfora actually picked the Lions to pull off the upset and got it right. I don't think anyone saw that coming....Would probably be asking the football gods too much for a "one mo' time"....
Against the spread, there are a few who like the Texans - Prediction Machine thinks the Bengals will win by 9. Also, some betting site that has a weekly interview on Sportsradio610 likes the Texans to cover....
In this video (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/video/texans-vs-bengals-preview-nfl-week-10-picks-v-29857/), one guy is leaning Texans, the other guy is leaning Bengals (ATS).
And in this video (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/video/monday-night-football-nfl-picks-will-undefeated-bengals-continue-their-streak-v-29969/), the "sharp" likes the Texans to cover the spread.....
I think no one is going with the Texans to win straight up tonight.... The ESPN "experts" (http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks) and everyone else (http://nflpickwatch.com/) are all onboard the Bengal bandwagon.... Yesterday, the Lions vs. GB were in similar position - underdog, big spread, etc... Jason LaCanfora actually picked the Lions to pull off the upset and got it right. I don't think anyone saw that coming....Would probably be asking the football gods too much for a "one mo' time"....
Against the spread, there are a few who like the Texans - Prediction Machine thinks the Bengals will win by 9. Also, some betting site that has a weekly interview on Sportsradio610 likes the Texans to cover....
In this video (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/video/texans-vs-bengals-preview-nfl-week-10-picks-v-29857/), one guy is leaning Texans, the other guy is leaning Bengals (ATS).
And in this video (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/video/monday-night-football-nfl-picks-will-undefeated-bengals-continue-their-streak-v-29969/), the "sharp" likes the Texans to cover the spread.....
My glass is usually half full, so I'll go with the any given Sunday mantra until kick off. My hope is that the game is entertaining enough for me to want to stay up and watch the 4th quarter.........
Sad place to be, but that's about where I'm at this year.
Texans win the toss and defer. Bengals to receive.
Bengals bring the kickoff back to their 21.
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Bengals ball at their 21.
Hill for a couple, flag down..... holding on Bengals, -10. Makes it 1st and 20 coming up.
Pass to Jones gets about 16.
Pass to Green gets 6 or 7 and the 1st down.
Pass to Green in the flat gets 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Flags presnap..... Offsides Bengals, -5. Makes it 2nd and 10 coming up.
Hill for 5 or 6. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Dalton pressured, throws it short, inc. Bengals will have to punt.
Mumph brings the punt back to the Texan 22.
Texans ball at their 22.
Pass to Hop is caught out of bounds, inc. Hop gets called for PI.....Makes it 1st and 20.
Blue for 4 yards. 2nd and 16 coming up.
Pass to Griffin is dropped, inc. 3rd and 16 coming up.
Handoff to Grimes gets 9. Texans have to punt.
Bengals return the punt to about their 24.
Big Texas
11-16-2015, 07:43 PM
Wait to start off the first possession with a drop and offensive pass interference.
Big Texas
11-16-2015, 07:48 PM
Defense is playing there asses off...offense needs to step it up.
Bengals ball at their 24.
Eeesh, deep ball to Jones draws the PI on KJo. 29 yards on the penalty.
Dalton scrambles for 7.
Hill caught for a loss of 1.
Flags presnap. False start Bengals, -5. Makes it 3rd and 9 coming up at the Texans 46.
Dalton pressured, throws it away, inc. Bengals have to punt.
Mumph fair catches at the Texan 17.
Big Texas
11-16-2015, 07:54 PM
Offense still sucks...they should just stop running...or pass to set up the run
Texans ball at their 17.
8:30 left in the 1st qtr.
Blue for 4.
Blue caught for a loss of 2. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Hoyer sacked at the 10 yard line. Texans will have to punt.
Jones brings the punt back all the way to the Texan 30 or so but a flag is down.....Offsetting penalties... replay the down....
Jones brings the punt back to about the Bengal 48.
HPF Bob
11-16-2015, 07:58 PM
Four penalties already, one dropped pass, one sack.
Same old Texans.
Bengals ball at their 49.
Bernard for 3.
Pass to Green gets 20. Ball at the Texan 28.
Pass to Eifert gets 14.
End around sniffed out by Mercilus. Loss of 8. 2nd and 18 coming up.
Flat pass to Bernard only gets 1. 3rd and 17 coming up.
Bengals use a timeout with 2:31 left in the 1st qtr.
Screen pass only gets about 6..... Bengals will go for the FG.
Nugent's 32-yarder is good but flag is down.... holding on Bengals backs it up 10 yards. Rekick.
Nugent's 42-yarder is good.
Bengals 3, Texans 0
1:28 left in the 1st qtr.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the Texan 22.
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Texan's ball at their 22.
Checkdown to Blue gets 9.
Pass to Shorts kinda low but shoulda been caught, inc. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Blue gets about 3 and the 1st down.
Pass to Hop over the middle broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Shorts gets 1. Hard hit on Shorts. 3rd and 9 coming up.
End of the 1st qtr.
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On 3rd and 9, pass to Washington goes to the Bengal 45, 1st down.
Pass to Fido goes to the Bengal 21. Adam Jones shaken up on the play. Injury timeout.
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Hoyer scrambles all the way to the 5. 1st and goal.
Blue to the 1. 2nd and goal.
Blue caught for a loss of 3. 3rd and goal.
Pass to Hop in the endzone a little off the mark, inc. Texans to go for the FG.
Novak's 22-yarder is good.
Texans 3, Bengals 3
12:16 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the Bengal 18.
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Bengal's ball at their 18.
Dalton keeps for 11 yards right up the gut.
Dalton caught for loss of 2 (sack?)... 2nd and 11 coming up.
Dalton tries to scramble up the gut again but Dunn snags him... 3rd and 9 coming up.
Pass to Green inc but flag is down.... Holding on KJo.... auto 1st down at the Bengal 35.
Hill caught in the backfield by Charles James... loss of 3.
Pass to Jones gets 13 and the 1st down.
Deep pass to Jones sails out of bounds, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Screen to Hewitt gets about 7. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Bernard goes right for 5 and the 1st down at the Texan 41.
Oy, pass is popped up in the air and nearly INT'ed by C James but falls inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Bengals use a timeout with 7:35 left in the half.
On 2nd and 10, deep pass to Burkhead is too long, inc. Brings up 3rd and 10.
Checkdown to Bernard goes for the 1st down at the Texan 27.
Bernard for 6.
Bernard for no gain. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Pass to Eifert broken up by Pleasant, inc. Bengals to go for the FG.
Nugent's 39-yarder is good.
Bengals 6, Texans 3
5:26 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the 27 by Mumph.
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Texan's ball at their 27.
Polk for 1.
Pass to Griffin gets 7. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Pass to Washington broken up, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Bengals bring the punt back to the 25 yard line.
Bengals ball at their 25.
3:48 left in the half. A turnover would be kinda nice right along here......
Hill goes left for 1.
Checkdown to Hill gets 3. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Checkdown to Bernard gets 8 and the 1st down. Ball at the Bengal 38.
Flags presnap.... 12 men on the Texans makes it 1st and 5.
2 minute warning.
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Ball at the Bengal 43.
Dalton can't find a receiver and scrambles to the Texan 46 for a 1st down.
Finally, holding on Bengals, -10. Makes it 1st and 20.
Bernard for about 4 on the delay.
Deep pass to Jones sails inc. 3rd and 16 coming up.
Dalton pressured, throws it away, inc. Bengals will have to punt with 41seconds left in the half.
Punt goes out of bounds at the Texans 29.
Texan's ball at their 29.
Checkdown to Grimes goes to the Texan 41. Timeout Texans with 23 seconds left in the half.
Hoyer can't find a receiver and throws it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Hop a little off the mark, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Grimes for 3. Bengals use a timeout with 6 seconds left in the half to make the Texans punt.
Texans going for it....Hoyer does the hail mary but it is INT'ed by the Bengals in the endzone. Time expires. Nice chunk by Hoyer....about 68 yards...
Halftime.
Bengals 6, Texans 3
Didn't think he had that chunk in him. Didn't work, but at least it was an effort.
This is the D I expected to see this season. At least for the 1st half. They're likely gassed now since the inept O can't sustain a drive, but at least we saw a sliver.
Didn't think he had that chunk in him. Didn't work, but at least it was an effort.
This is the D I expected to see this season. At least for the 1st half. They're likely gassed now since the inept O can't sustain a drive, but at least we saw a sliver.
The defense should have plenty left.... they've been on vacation for 9 weeks.... ;)
The 2nd half kickoff is brought back by Mumph to the Texan 14.
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Texan's ball at their 14.
Pass to Hop gets 13.
Blue goes for 2 or 3. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Hoyer sacked for a loss of 2.
Pass to Shorts over the middle good for the 1st down at the Texan 40.
Grimes for 14. Ball in Bengal territory.
Grimes for 1 or 2.
Quick pass to Hop gets 4 at the sideline. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Eeesh, pass to Washington off the mark, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Lechler's punt goes into the endzone, touchback.
Bengal's ball at their 20.
10:47 left in the 3rd qtr.
Hill goes up the gut for 15 but flag is down....illegal formation on the Bengals, -5. Makes it 1st and 15.
Dalton's deep pass is INT'ed by JJo! Texan's ball at their 29.
Texan's ball at their 29.
Blue for 3.
Pass over the middle to Hop goes to the Texan 46, 1st down.
Dumpoff to Shorts just gets 1.
Pass to Shorts is broken up, inc. Brings up 3rd and 9.
Texans use a timeout (#1) with 7:59 left in the 3rd qtr.
Pass to Griffin broken up, inc but a flag is down....illegal hands on Bengals = 5 yards and an auto 1st down. Ball at the Bengal 47.
Blue for 2.
Pass to Fido gets about 6.... 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pitch to Grimes going left goes for no gain. Texans to punt....
Delay of game on the Texans, -5.
Bengals fair catch the punt at their 9 yard line.
Bengal's ball at their 9.
Hill for 5.
Hill for 5 more and the 1st down.
Hill for 2.
Checkdown to Hill gets about 4.
Dalton sacked by Covington! Bengals will have to punt.
Mumph lets the punt roll to the Texan 21.
Texan's ball at their 21.
TJ Yates in at QB - Hoyer looks to have a concussion.....
Oy, just a little short, TJ....TJ's pass off the mark, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Polk for 2 or 3. Brings up 3rd and 8.
Nice pass to Griffin goes for 15. Tack on roughing the passer, 15 yards. Ball ends up at the Bengal 47.
Nice run by Polk .... goes to the Bengal 34.
Polk caught for a loss of 3.
End of the 3rd qtr.
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On 2nd and 13, TJ misses Washington over the middle, inc. 3rd and 13 coming up.
Pass to Griffin gets 15 and the 1st down at the Bengal 22.
Yates' pass is deflected, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Whoohoo! Yates pass to Hop in the endzone is good for the TD!
Play under review.....Confirmed TD...
Texans 10, Bengals 6
14:20 left in the game.
barrett
11-16-2015, 09:48 PM
If the Bengals lose this game, then TJ Yates might get a job by whatever team is playing Cincinnati that week.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back to the Bengal's 12 yard line.
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Bengal's ball at their 12.
Pass to Sanu good for 5.
Bernard for 4. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Dalton's pass to Eifert off the mark, inc. Bengals will have to punt.
Mumph fair catches at the Texan 39.
12:53 left in the game.
Texan's ball at their 39.
Deep pass to Hop is broken up, inc.
Pass to Hop gets 4 yards in the flat. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Hop over the middle broken up, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Punt is brought back to the Bengal 21.
12:03 left in the game.
Bengal's ball at their 22.
Flags presnap....false start Bengals, -5. Makes it 1st and 15.
Screen is sniffed out by McKinney, loss of 3.
On 2nd and 18, pass is broken up by Hal, nearly an INT.
Checkdown to Bernard misfires, inc. Bengals will have to punt.
Punt goes out of bounds at the Texan 38.
10:49 left in the game.
Need some more points, fellas....
Texan's ball at their 38.
Blue for 4.
Blue loses 1 or 2. Brings up 3rd and 7.
Yates pressured, throws it away, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Lechler's punt is downed at the Bengal 4 yard line.
9:03 left in the game.
Bengal's ball at their 4 yard line.
Bernard for about 8.
Bernard for about 5 and the 1st down.
Pass to Eifert gets 6.
Pass to Eifert over the middle is dropped, inc. Makes it 3rd and 4 coming up.
Pass is broken up by JJo along the sideline. Bengals will have to punt.
Punt is downed by the Bengals around the 35-36 yard line of the Texans.
barrett
11-16-2015, 10:13 PM
We've still got plenty of time to blow this game, but I love that we are at staying aggressive with Yates. Even if we lose on a Yates turnover, at least we aren't going into a shell and hoping 10 points holds up.
6:56 left in the game.
Texans ball at their 36.
Pass to Washington gets 11 or 12.
Blue for 1. Ball at midfield.
Yates is sacked for a loss of about 7 or 8. Brings up 3rd and 17.
Grimes runs for about 7. Texans will have to punt.
Bengals bring the punt back to their 19 yard line.
Nconroe
11-16-2015, 10:18 PM
Go defense. It is exciting.
4:48 left in the game.
Bengal's ball at their 19.
Pass over the middle to Eifert is dropped, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Watt gets the sack! Loss of 8. 3rd and 18 coming up.
Pass to Green gets the 1st down at the Bengal 37.
Checkdown to Bernard goes to the Texan 48.
2 minute warning.
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Pass to Eifert gets 6.
Pass to Jones gets 5. Bengals use a timeout with 1:26 left in the game.
Dalton is sacked by Simon! Loss of 5.
Dumpoff to Bernard get about 5.... Makes it 3rd and 6 coming up. 54 seconds left in the game.
Pass is broken up by KJo! Incomplete. Brings up 4th and 6.
Pass to Green is caught for the 1st down then fumbled! Recovered by the Texans! Play is under review...... Looks like a catch and fumble to me....
Nconroe
11-16-2015, 10:25 PM
Wow. Nice forced fumble by Johnson.
40 seconds left in the game.
Play stands! Texans ball! Nice play KJo and Demps!
Bengals use their last timeout on 2nd and 11.
Texans kneel it!
Final score:
Texans 10, Bengals 6
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So proud of these guys..... Attaway, Texans!
barrett
11-16-2015, 10:29 PM
I think JJ Watt is probably giving Dalton flashbacks already. If not for the 2 playoff games we stomped him in, Dalton would be a top 10 QB with about $30 million more in guaranteed money.
I don't think we'll win this game because we are not good at football. But I don't think Cincinnati is 8-0 level good.
I was right that we own Dalton. I was wrong that we would get beat. I didn't account for TJ Yates.
Big Texas
11-16-2015, 10:29 PM
3 things I've learned that I already knew about this defense...LOL
1. The defense is better without Clowney
2. KJohnson is better than KJack
3. Charles James is better than expected
chuck
11-16-2015, 10:46 PM
3 things I've learned that I already knew about this defense...LOL
1. The defense is better without Clowney
2. KJohnson is better than KJack
3. Charles James is better than expected
All true. James is a real football player who makes a positive difference all over the field. And we know who didn't want him initially. My thoughts on Rick Smith are well known (and not too divergent from the consensus) but BOB is obviously no genius with personnel decisions.
It is incredible that the Texans (or any other team) can win with 80 yards rushing and its "feature" back averaging fewer than two yards per carry.
Frankly, it's amazing any time the Texans win, period. I would say that at this point in the season it's amazing for the Texans to knock off a previously undefeated team but let's be serious, we're talking about the Bengals. And the Bengals suddenly found themselves confronting the indomitable TJ YATES.
barrett
11-16-2015, 10:52 PM
Mercilous is much better than Clowney. It's been obvious in every game Clowney didn't play. If Clowney wasn't a 1st round pick he'd be gone already because his play does not justify him having a job, let alone starting.
Honestly, he may drag down the rest of the D. Football is an emotional sport, especially defense. These guys really convince themselves they are going to war together (they are not by the way). When a guy is getting playing time who doesn't deserve it, it messes with the emotions of the team. You can't go out and play for each other when a guy is getting special treatment. That's what happened with Kaepernick in SF the last few weeks.
chuck
11-16-2015, 10:57 PM
Mercilous is much better than Clowney. It's been obvious in every game Clowney didn't play. If Clowney wasn't a 1st round pick he'd be gone already because his play does not justify him having a job, let alone starting.
Honestly, he may drag down the rest of the D. Football is an emotional sport, especially defense. These guys really convince themselves they are going to war together (they are not by the way). When a guy is getting playing time who doesn't deserve it, it messes with the emotions of the team. You can't go out and play for each other when a guy is getting special treatment. That's what happened with Kaepernick in SF the last few weeks.
You are advocating dismissing a first overall pick. Incredible. And what's even more incredible, you may not be wrong.
Good thing they nailed it with Sua-Filo; takes the sting out of missing on the number one overall (again).
barrett
11-16-2015, 11:05 PM
You are advocating dismissing a first overall pick. Incredible. And what's even more incredible, you may not be wrong.
Good thing they nailed it with Sua-Filo; takes the sting out of missing on the number one overall (again).
I'm not saying cut him, I'm saying if there were no names on the back of the jerseys he'd already be cut.
We can't cut him because of what we spent on him, so instead we will force him into the lineup and try to pretend we didn't screw up.
The Sua-Filo/Carr decision is somehow worse than drafting the worst #1 overall ever. Those are two franchise killing decisions in the same weekend by a guy who is still employed and making decisions for us.
barrett
11-16-2015, 11:06 PM
And even though I know that about Smith and McNair, and I know our franchise is doomed while those two remain, a game like tonight has me caring again what happens in the next 7 weeks.
barrett
11-16-2015, 11:09 PM
And one final comment, it was a good weekend for backup QBs in the city of Houston. Go Coogs!
Nconroe
11-16-2015, 11:15 PM
Seems we got no. 1 draft pick right this year.
And our record tied with Colts, so who knows , maybe Texans have turned the corner. Defense looks very good.
chuck
11-16-2015, 11:15 PM
And even though I know that about Smith and McNair, and I know our franchise is doomed while those two remain, a game like tonight has me caring again what happens in the next 7 weeks.
Dude.
The funny thing is the team will make a run at the playoffs. They might well win the division. And if they don't they could quite possibly find themselves in the wild card hunt. The Texans could very well be a playoff team this year. (Let that sink in for a second...)
And once the year's over the team will resolve the conflict between BOB and Smith. And anyone who's payed attention to the Texans for more than fifteen minutes knows who's going to win that skirmish.
So 2016 will come around with no quarterback, no running back, fk, I'm not going to go into the team's deficiencies, we all know them - but no quarterback and no head coach. The Texans are going to go into 2016 with no quarterback and no head coach.
HPF Bob
11-16-2015, 11:51 PM
For the record, it was Quentin Demps that forced the game-clinching funble and then dove back to make the recovery. K-John just was there to wrap up the receiver.
We were actually getting stops on 3rd down tonight (the broadcasters kept bringing that up) and I attribute that to K-Jack not being on the field. Now if we can find an upgrade for Eddie Unpleasant, we might finish a game with less than 10 penalties and 10 blown coverages.
But, overall, you have to say the T.J. Yates jinx bit Cincy again. The Steelers should be calling Smith shortly. If they would toss Landry Jones into the deal, I would be ecstatic.
There is speculation that the concussion protocol observer is the one who yanked Hoyer from the game, not somebody on the Texans and you could see Hoyer arguing with the assistant coaches that he was fine as he was walking off the field. There was nothing after that last possession that suggested Hoyer was any more loopy than he usually is.
Which brings us to another discussion - would the concussion protocol observer do that if it were Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers? Or were the Texans simply dissed again by the NFL as Houston QBs are the most abused quarterbacks in the league, from Carr to Schaub to Hoyer without ever drawing flags for the hits they take.
I know exactly what Belichick would do if Brady were removed like that - he'd bring Garofolo back into the locker room and make them switch jerseys so Brady could still play.
barrett
11-17-2015, 12:08 AM
That concussion observer might be the true MVP tonight.
chuck
11-17-2015, 02:29 AM
LOL at Bob getting indignant over a perceived (by him) slight in a Texans win. Fme, he's worse than I am.
AND he's a federal employee. So if there was ever any confusion now there's none. Bob is a ludicrous hypocrite.
Oye, Berto, como se siente ser un payaso tan risible, cha? K bulto ere mopri, webao.
nunusguy
11-17-2015, 07:29 AM
LOL at Bob getting indignant over a perceived (by him) slight in a Texans win. Fme, he's worse than I am.
AND he's a federal employee. So if there was ever any confusion now there's none. Bob is a ludicrous hypocrite.
Oye, Berto, como se siente ser un payaso tan risible, cha? K bulto ere mopri, webao.
C'mon now the Chuckster should be giving it up for those Rick Smith Drafts this morning. That great defensive effort and performance last night was led by this years top 2 picks, Kevin Johnson and Bernard McKinney. And the X-man not only started last nights game, I think he may have taken every snap at LG. And even TE Fido caught a couple passes.
I'm thrilled that we still have a 2015 season because I thought it was all over before last night in Cinci. Of course Indy will still probably win the division again, but after last night I'm given us a punchers chance. We got something to root for now and another big game Sunday when the Jets come to town. First place Houston Texans !
Just an all around fine effort by defense. Demps knocking the ball out of AJ Green's hands and then diving for the fumble showed some want-to that has been sorely missing.
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If you watch the replay of the deep pass INT by JJo, you'll see Demps in the area, KJo arriving shortly and then Cushing is the next player to show up....
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I had my doubts, but McKinney is starting to look like a keeper...
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Loved TJ's guts for taking over the offense with minimum training but got to admit some of his passes had me a little nervous..... Hoping that Hoyer's concussion is a misdiagnosis and he will be ready to go against the Jets....
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Early bird (http://www.footballlocks.com/nfl_odds.shtml) line has the Jets as 2.5 pt favorites over the Texans.
HPF Bob
11-17-2015, 10:33 AM
Not sure how my employment became part of the discussion or why it is relevant. Technically, I'm a contractor who works for the federal government so I guess I could be labelled a psuedofed. I didn't want to be one but it's the place God led me to after a year's unemployment.
Yo soy el humilde servidor de mi Salvador por lo que, naturalmente, se me acusa de ser un hipócrita y necio , así como mi Salvador fue a la gente de su tiempo.
I was happy with 2 things:
I wanted to stay up and watch the 4th quarter.
The D played as I thought they would this year.
Hope both trends continue for the last 7 games.
chuck
11-17-2015, 03:11 PM
And even TE Fido caught a couple passes.
I had to go to Wikipedia to look up what the hell a Tight End is.
Nconroe
11-18-2015, 03:45 AM
I was happy with 2 things:
I wanted to stay up and watch the 4th quarter.
The D played as I thought they would this year.
Hope both trends continue for the last 7 games.
My next wish is to see the Oline play up to my expectations.
My next wish is to see the Oline play up to my expectations.
That's a pretty good one. Also think the RB's are making them look crappier than they are. One thing that made Foster special was his vision and ability to see the cutback lanes. Don't think our current guys do that with much consistency. When a RB runs straight into a pile, easy to blame OL for lack of a hole. When a RB bounces thru a cutback, easy to give too much credit to the OL.
nunusguy
11-18-2015, 07:50 AM
That's a pretty good one. Also think the RB's are making them look crappier than they are. One thing that made Foster special was his vision and ability to see the cutback lanes. Don't think our current guys do that with much consistency. When a RB runs straight into a pile, easy to blame OL for lack of a hole. When a RB bounces thru a cutback, easy to give too much credit to the OL.
Maybe Blue is a better blocker on blitz pickup than Grimes or Polk because I can't think of another reason why he gets more snaps than they do ? Polk and Grimes both hit the hole with more authority and quickness than Blue.
As far as the OLine, I'm anxious to see if Su'a-Filo can show some improvement this weekend vs the Jets over Monday nights game when he took every offensive snap at LG. He screwed up on some plays, but he had some solid plays when he looked like an NFL offensive lineman.
popanot
11-18-2015, 11:02 AM
I don't know why Blue gets any snaps at all. He's done nothing to merit starting and getting the majority of the snaps. He hits the hole weaker than Steve Urkel. I'd probably be OK with Polk/Grimes as the main guys for now, but I'm surprised the Texans haven't worked out someone like Dri Archer to try to infuse some speed into the offensive backfield. Not saying he, or someone like him, is the complete answer, but some speed from time to time would be nice.
I know I just mentioned adding speed, but I'd like to see Strong get on the field some. Other than Hopkins, we are getting nothing from the other guys (speed, catches, production, etc, etc) so why not add some height and maybe someone who can go up and get a pass or two? Sooner or later teams are going to shut down Hopkins, then what? Try something different whether it's only 10-15 snaps a game.
I don't know why Blue gets any snaps at all. He's done nothing to merit starting and getting the majority of the snaps. He hits the hole weaker than Steve Urkel. I'd probably be OK with Polk/Grimes as the main guys for now, but I'm surprised the Texans haven't worked out someone like Dri Archer to try to infuse some speed into the offensive backfield. Not saying he, or someone like him, is the complete answer, but some speed from time to time would be nice.
I know I just mentioned adding speed, but I'd like to see Strong get on the field some. Other than Hopkins, we are getting nothing from the other guys (speed, catches, production, etc, etc) so why not add some height and maybe someone who can go up and get a pass or two? Sooner or later teams are going to shut down Hopkins, then what? Try something different whether it's only 10-15 snaps a game.
I think Blue is best when he manages to find a hole and get a head of steam going - it just doesn't happen often enough due to mostly his poor vision and OL problems. Arian was so good at spotting a logjam and bouncing outside or diving into a "minihole" to salvage something out of the run. I agree Polk and Grimes are better suited for the current state of affairs.....
One other thing that has been on my mind lately is how much our QB's, all three who've seen action, go "Hop-hunting". Hopkins is currently #1 in the NFL with 124 targets. That's almost 14 targets/game.... He's good and deserves his share of looks but goodness, spread the ball around a little.... Griffin and Fido had 8 targets (5 catches) in the Cincinnati game so, maybe they're trying......
I am/was a fan of the Kubiakian rollout - having the QB sprint out left or right of the pocket to get clear passing lanes.... For a smallish guy like Hoyer who has good legs, wish they would do this a few more times per game..... As long as the DE is sealed, it's a great way to beat pressure....
Good thoughts on pass pro. Didn't really think about that, but I'd guess that's a factor.
Definitely agree on the speed factor. As gimmicky as it sounds, I wouldn't hate the idea of throwing Charles James back there on a sweep or two.
HPF Bob
11-18-2015, 02:54 PM
I noticed when the Texans had a hail mary situation before the half that Strong was not out there. I hope he was on the inactive list, otherwise that was dumb not sending him out there. The Bengals have a lot of fast corners so perhaps O'Brien wanted fast receivers to run against them.
I noticed a lot more Kubiak-style play calls once Yates got into the game - bootlegs and rollouts. Remember Yates ran the WCO in college and much of his pro career was in WCO offenses. Any Texans with 2+ years experience would already know what he was going to run.
I'm curious who is taking first-team snaps during this short practice week.
popanot
11-19-2015, 07:21 AM
I am/was a fan of the Kubiakian rollout - having the QB sprint out left or right of the pocket to get clear passing lanes.... For a smallish guy like Hoyer who has good legs, wish they would do this a few more times per game..... As long as the DE is sealed, it's a great way to beat pressure....Totally agree with this. During the game and after seeing Hoyer get crushed in the pocket multiple times, I was barking to myself "How about trying a freaking rollout or two??!!". Those Kubiak misdirection boots and TE screens over the middle used to just kill overly aggressive defenses. I'm not sure why OB doesn't run more of that stuff considering the injuries and overall lack of talent at the skill positions we currently have on O.
barrett
11-19-2015, 08:00 AM
It's funny to see people pining for Kubiak's offense.
Hopefully we aren't all wishing Ryan Fitzpatrick was our QB this Sunday.
nunusguy
11-19-2015, 09:10 AM
It's funny to see people pining for Kubiak's offense.
Hopefully we aren't all wishing Ryan Fitzpatrick was our QB this Sunday.
Saying you like Hoyer better than Fitzy ?
HPF Bob
11-19-2015, 10:08 AM
It's funny to see people pining for Kubiak's offense.
Isn't it? Ask the folks in Denver how well it's going up there.
barrett
11-19-2015, 10:38 AM
Saying you like Hoyer better than Fitzy ?
I absolutely do not. I just hope Sunday isn't a day I am prompted to wish I had Fitzpatrick.
nunusguy
11-19-2015, 10:48 AM
I absolutely do not. I just hope Sunday isn't a day I am prompted to wish I had Fitzpatrick.
Me neither. I just wish O'Brien would have kept him and not gone thru all of these gyrations and the drama and wasted energy/focus with Hoyer & Mallet that the taem and city have over the last year or so.
popanot
11-19-2015, 01:08 PM
I don't think anyone's "pining" for Kubiak's complete offense. Just certain elements of it from time to time. How many times did Hoyer get hurried, crushed, or move up right into a sack standing in the pocket? Roll out or run some misdirection pass plays (no, not run plays - LOL) once in awhile.
As for it not working Denver, is anyone surprised? Kubiak isn't running his offense, he's running some funky hybrid of it because of a weak-armed, slower-than-Schuab, over the hill HOF QB that he's paying his respect to. I doubt Osweiler is the answer, but it will be interesting to see if/how Kubiak changes up that offense and if they can get it going. Personally, I felt the league caught up to Kubiak's offense, but it might have been more due to crappy QB play. There's no denying, when it's on, it's an efficient and effective offense. Flacco and Forsett did pretty well with in BALT.
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