View Full Version : Official Texans @ Dolphins Game Thread, 10/25/2015
Deepi Sidhu @DeepSlant 18s19 seconds ago
Cecil Shorts III, Kareem Jackson, and Benardrick McKinney will not play Sunday, per Bill O'Brien. #Texans
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 10s11 seconds ago
Cecil Shorts is out with a hamstring injury
Clowney is "day to day" (whatever that means).
The 2-4 Texans travel to Florida for the second week in a row to take on the 2-3 Miami Dolphins in an early game. The Texans are coming off a 31-20 road victory over the Jacksonville Jaguars while the Dolphins are coming off a 38-10 trouncing of the Tennessee Titans. The Dolphins DE Cameron Wake had 4 sacks in the game while QB Ryan Tannehill was 22/29 for 266 yards with 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 2 sacks and a 97.8 rating.
Texan QB Brian Hoyer was 24/36 for 293 yards with 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 1 sack and a 119.3 rating against the Jags.
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TV = CBS (channel 11 local), noon CST, Sunday
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2015&wk=7) = Spero Dedes, Solomon Wilcots
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Dolphins by 4 to 4.5
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
Early bird special on Yahoo (https://help.yahoo.com/kb/sports-news/SLN26708.html?impressions=true) = Buffalo @ Jacksonville, London, 8:30 am CST
FOX (early) = New Orleans @ Indianapolis -- Sam Rosen, John Lynch
FOX (late) = Dallas @ NY Giants -- Joe Buck, Troy Aikman
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Prime time:
TNF = Seattle @ San Francisco, NFLN/CBS
SNF = Philadelphia @ Carolina, NBC
MNF = Baltimore @ Arizona, ESPN
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Teams on bye: Chicago, Cincinnati, Denver and Green Bay
nunusguy
10-21-2015, 05:01 PM
Deepi Sidhu @DeepSlant 18s19 seconds ago
Cecil Shorts III, Kareem Jackson, and Benardrick McKinney will not play Sunday, per Bill O'Brien. #Texans
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 10s11 seconds ago
Cecil Shorts is out with a hamstring injury
Clowney is "day to day" (whatever that means).
So our top pick in 2015, Kevin Johnson, gets his first official start with Kareem out.
Bad news about Clowney. Sounds like he's out again. He was playing pretty good, against the run and he was getting some pressure on the QB, even though no sacks. Hope he gets back sometime this year.
Wonder about Xaviar if there's any chance he shows up at LG in South FLA this Sunday ?
So our top pick in 2015, Kevin Johnson, gets his first official start with Kareem out.
Bad news about Clowney. Sounds like he's out again. He was playing pretty good, against the run and he was getting some pressure on the QB, even though no sacks. Hope he gets back sometime this year.
Wonder about Xaviar if there's any chance he shows up at LG in South FLA this Sunday ?
Thinking that Johnson has started the last two games at CB and Kareem started at S. Could be wrong though.
nunusguy
10-21-2015, 10:04 PM
Thinking that Johnson has started the last two games at CB and Kareem started at S. Could be wrong though.
Really. I knew Kareem was playing some safety, but didn't know he was starting there ?
FWIW Texans depth chart shows him and Joseph as the starting corners, with no mention of him at either safety spot.
HPF Bob
10-22-2015, 03:21 AM
Bet the house, boys!
The Texans have never lost a regular-season game against Miami in their history.
Bet the house, boys!
The Texans have never lost a regular-season game against Miami in their history.
You just jinxed us...
Big Texas
10-24-2015, 08:11 AM
We have a tendency to make average QBs look fantastic. However, I have been really pleased with Kevin Johnson. He has had a few iffy plays but for the most part he looks better than Kareem. I don't know if it's the scheme or what but Kareem has been beaten a lot this year IMO.
Concerning the pass rush either Jacksonville is REALLY REALLY bad or Clowneys not ready to start. I'm still not sure yet. Maybe both.
We seemed to get more pressure and were more sound in our gap integrity against the run. Granted they didn't have their starting tailback playing.
This is a toss up game for me...inconsistent offense has the potential to play really well or really bad. And defense has just been bad to start games.
So we'll know by the end of the 1st qtr what team will show up. More importantly we will know who this team really is.
chuck
10-24-2015, 09:45 AM
Against Jacksonville I thought the Covington - Dunn combination was a lot more productive than the Wilfork - Crick combination.
Against Jacksonville I thought the Covington - Dunn combination was a lot more productive than the Wilfork - Crick combination.
Agree. The aging vet signings never seem to work out for them.
This is a somewhat pivotal game (and it sucks that a pivotal game is occurring in October). Win and the Texans can make things interesting again. Lose and the season changes: a shift to a grading session for the roster and coaches, focus on the draft, etc....
Oy.......
From Jabba:
Texans QB Ryan Mallett missed team charter and had to fly commercial to Dolphins game. I can imagine Bill OBrien reaction.
Texans scratch Brandon Brooks, Cecil Shorts, Kareem Jackson, Benardrick McKinney, Greg Mancz, Jeoffrey Pagan
Dolphins win the toss and defer.
Mumphrey has a nice run back on the kickoff.
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Texan's ball at their 42.
Hoyer's deep pass to Hop is too long, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster gets caught for loss of 2. 3rd and 12 coming up.
Hoyer's pass towards the flat knocked down, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Dolphins bring the punt back to about their 12. Dolphin's ball.
Dolphins ball at their 12.
Short pass to Miller goes for 1.
Pass to Landry gets a 1st down.
Miller goes up the gut for 13. Ball at the Dolphin 35.
Pass to Landry gets 5.
On 2nd and 5, Miller gets 6 on the sweep left but flag is down. Offsides penalty on Clowney is declined for the 1st down.
Pass to Matthews goes 53 yards for the TD.
Dolphins 7, Texans 0
10:57 left in the 1st qtr.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Foster for 1.
Foster caught in the backfield for a loss of 4. 3rd and 13 coming up.
Pass to Strong along the sideline goes inc. Texans will have to punt.
Punt is fair caught at the Dolphin 28.
Dolphin's ball at their 28.
Miller for no gain.
Screen to Landry goes for 9+. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Gray gets stopped short of the 1st down.....Dolphins will punt on 4th down.
Punt hits a Dolphin about the 10 yard line.
Texan's ball at their 10.
Pass to Hop is dropped/broken up, inc.
Dumpoff to Foster gets 7. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass to Hop down the sideline goes inc. Texans will have to punt.
Lechler's punt doesn't go very far. Dolphin's ball near midfield.
Dolphin's ball at midfield.
Pass to Landry goes all the way for the TD. Lots of missed tackles along the way.
Dolphins 14, Texans 0
6:45 left in the 1st qtr.
sinnister
10-25-2015, 12:33 PM
I had hoped we would draft Jarvis Landry. We drafted the great XSF. Oh well.
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 12:34 PM
And there you have it. If you wondered which team we were, you have found out now.
Raining hard.
The ensuing kickoff goes out of the end zone, touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Polk for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Polk gets caught for a loss of 4.
On 3rd and 14, Hoyer's pass to Mumphrey is off the mark, inc. Hands to the face penalty on the Texans is declined. Texans to punt.
Punt is brought back to the Texan 44.
Dolphin's ball at the Texan 45.
Miller goes up the gut for 29.
Miller for 3. 2nd and 7 at the Texan 14 coming up.
Miller for 4 more. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass to Landry goes for the TD. 10 yards.
Dolphins 21, Texans 0
3:03 left in the 1st qtr.
lol.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Pass to Foster on the sideline goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster gets maybe 2.
Pass to Graham is dropped, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Punt is fielded and actually loses yardage. Ball ends up at the Dolphin 17.
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 12:53 PM
We look like a high school team playing an NFL team.
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 12:54 PM
Its been screens, draws, and quick passes...all designed to take advantage of undiscipline pass rushers
Dolphin's ball at their 17.
Miller goes left for 8.
Miller goes up the gut for 5 or 6.
Tannehill scrambles up the middle for 3.
Pass to Matthews gets 10 and the 1st down.
End of the 1st qtr.
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Rush goes for 2.
Screen to Miller goes all the way for the TD. 54 yards.
Dolphins 28, Texans 0
14:10 left in the half.
Total yards:
Dolphins 275
Texans 0
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The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Hoyer can't find a receiver and throws it away, inc.
Whhheeeeeeeeeee, Fido can't hang on to the pass and gives it up for a pick 6.
Dolphins 35, Texans 0
13:56 left in the half.
sinnister
10-25-2015, 01:01 PM
On a brighter note, my fantasy team looks great since I started Tannehill.
Keith
10-25-2015, 01:02 PM
Sure glad O'Brien bought those extra years punting the QB position for two seasons.
Mumphrey brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan 23.
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Texan's ball at their 23.
Foster for 4.
Hoyer's hand is hit as he passes and the ball falls loose but Hoyer recovers it. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Hoyer's pass to Washington off the mark, inc. Texans have to punt.
Dolphins don't get much on the punt return.
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 01:08 PM
No pressure...
Dbs consistently in the wrong spot...
Offense looks pathetic...
Recipe for someone getting fired...
Dolphin's ball at their 26.
12:17 left in the half.
Miller for 2.
Pass to Matthews gets 12 and the 1st down.
Miller gets 7.
Landry sweeps right for 3 and the 1st down.
Tannehill pressured can't find a receiver and throws it away, inc. but flag on the Texans for illegal holding = 5 yards and an auto 1st down.
Miller sweeps right for about 5. Ball at the Texan 39.
Tannehill is sacked by Simon but flag is down....illegal shift on the Dolphins is declined. Brings up 3rd and 13.
Screen to Miller comes up short but flag is down..... Ref says, "no foul".... Dolphins have to punt.... Way to go defense!
Punt goes into the end zone but flag is down....illegal formation on the Dolphins will be tacked on.
Sure glad O'Brien bought those extra years punting the QB position for two seasons.
This game has very little to do with the QB position.
Texan's ball at their 25.
Hoyer's pass is deflected, inc.
Pass to Washington gets 10 and a 1st down.
Foster slips down for no gain.
Pass to Hop goes for 10.
Foster sweeps left for 3.
Pass to Hopkins gets about 13. Ball at the Dolphin 44.
Hoyer pressured throws it in the direction of Polk but inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster gets 11 on the delay.
Pass towards Mumphrey goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Polk gets 2 or 3. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Pass to Washington goes to the Dolphin 16, 1st down.
Short pass to Graham is dropped.
Pass over the middle to Graham is too high, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Hoyer sacked but flag is down.... looks like offsides Dolphins, 5 yards. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Foster for 3. Texans going for it on 4th and 2.
Timeout Dolphins with 3:36 left in the half.
Pass to Grimes broken up, inc. Dolphins takeover on downs.
Dolphins at their 9.
Miller for 6.
Miller goes all the way. 85 yards.
Extra point is no good.
Dolphins 41, Texans 0
2:47 left in the half.
On a brighter note, my fantasy team looks great since I started Tannehill.
I've got Tannehill AND Miller going against this mess of a D.
Mumphrey brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan 18.
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Texan's ball at their 18.
Foster for 11.
Hop catches the pass and fights for the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 40.
2 minute warning.
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Hoyer sacked but flag is down.....ref says "no flag". Loss of 7. 2nd and 17 coming up.
Hoyer sacked again. 3rd and 25 coming up.
Hoyer sacked and stripped but the Texans fall on it. Texans will punt on 4th and 31.
Dolphins bring the punt back to their 35. Flag on the Texans for running out of bounds. Dolphins make the Texans kick it again. 1:16 left in the half. 4th and 36.
Landry brings the punt back into Texan territory but flag is down....holding on the Dolphins will tacked on.
chuck
10-25-2015, 01:45 PM
This is a disgusting ****************ing team owned by a disgusting ****************ing bigot and I am no longer a fan of this fraudulent pile of shit. You guys have fun.
Dolphins ball at their 26.
Pass to Cameron gets a 1st down. Flag on Bouye is declined.
Deep pass to Parker goes for 35 but flag is down....both teams, offsetting. Replay 1st down.
Clowney with the sack of Tannehill. 2nd and 23 coming up.
Gray is caught for a loss of 2.
Halftime.
Dolphins 41, Texans 0
This is a disgusting ****************ing team owned by a disgusting ****************ing bigot and I am no longer a fan of this fraudulent pile of shit. You guys have fun.
See you next week!
Dolphins bring the 2nd half kickoff back to the 25.
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Dolphin's ball at their 25.
Miller(?) for no gain.
Williams loses 1. Brings up 3rd and 11.
Gray only gets 4 so Dolphins have to punt.
Mumphrey brings the punt back to about the Texan 23.
chuck
10-25-2015, 02:03 PM
See you next week!
No, seriously, **************** this team.
Keith
10-25-2015, 02:09 PM
No, seriously, **************** this team.
Wait, the Dolphins aren't done ***************ing with them yet.
Texan's ball at their 23.
Foster dances for about 3.
Foster for 1. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Washington good for the 1st down at the Texan 38.
Foster gets 1.
Short pass is dropped by Hop, inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Timeout Texans with 10:42 left in the 3rd qtr.
Hoyer's pass over Hop, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Charles James gets his 3rd tackle on ST on the punt.
Dolphin's ball at their 20.
Watt with the sack. Brings up 2nd and 21.
Man, poor tackling allows the runner to get 20.
Fumble!! Texans recover a the Dolphin 30.
barrett
10-25-2015, 02:14 PM
I don't know if our effort or our talent is worse. This team continues to get under a very low bar.
I can only take comfort in knowing that Bob McNair is being embarassed.
Texan's at the Dolphin 31.
Pass to Washington low and inc.
Pass to Foster goes for 21. Ball at the Dolphin 10.
Foster for 3.
Pass to Foster goes for the TD.
Extra point is no good.
Dolphins 41, Texans 6
8:13 left in the 3rd qtr.
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 02:16 PM
As a coach myself, I understand that anybody can be on the wrong end of a blowout. So I'm not too concerned about a blowout. I'm more concerned about the lack of adjustments from week to week and the lack of development by our young talent.
Plain and simple Romeo needs to be handed his walking papers and the offensive coordinator needs to lose his playcalling duties. Neither has shown any ability to get better...
Breast cancer? Is that a problem? Geez, I wasn't aware.....
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Dolphins bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 25.
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Dolphin's ball at their 25.
Gray for 15.
Gray for no gain.
Watt gets the sack. Loss of 9.
On 3rd and 19, run only gets about 4 but flag is down..... Holding on the Dolphins is declined. Dolphins have to punt.
Punt goes out of bounds at the Texan 18.
barrett
10-25-2015, 02:24 PM
As a coach myself, I understand that anybody can be on the wrong end of a blowout. So I'm not too concerned about a blowout. I'm more concerned about the lack of adjustments from week to week and the lack of development by our young talent.
Plain and simple Romeo needs to be handed his walking papers and the offensive coordinator needs to lose his playcalling duties. Neither has shown any ability to get better...
Why would you put the blame on both coordinators and not the HC?
Hearing the announcers remind everyone that we're still only 1 game back of the Colts is a sad truth of the South.
7 wins could get you a home playoff pummeling.
barrett
10-25-2015, 02:27 PM
Hearing the announcers remind everyone that we're still only 1 game back of the Colts is a sad truth of the South.
7 wins could get you a home playoff pummeling.
We may not win 7 games in the next 2 seasons.
Texan's ball at their 18.
Pass to Washington gets 23.
Pass to Washington gets 9.
Pass to Foster goes for 26.
Pass to Hop gets nearly 10 but he fumbles but Graham falls on it. 2nd and 1 coming up.
Foster for about 4 and the 1st down at the Dolphin 10.
Blue for 4. 2nd and goal at the 6.
Blue for 1. 3rd and goal at the 5.
Flags presnap.....neutral zone infraction on Suh, 1/2 the distance. Ball at the 2.
Foster slides into the end zone for the TD.
Dolphins 41, Texans 13
chuck
10-25-2015, 02:31 PM
I can only take comfort in knowing that Bob McNair is being embarassed.
Dafuq makes you think this? The only thing I know of that embarrasses that asshole is his baldness. He now wears a baseball hat. In his idiotic universe being totally bald because of chemo is worse than having ridiculous looking male pattern baldness.
chuck
10-25-2015, 02:32 PM
Why would you put the blame on both coordinators and not the HC?
I'm happy sending all three home.
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 02:36 PM
Why would you put the blame on both coordinators and not the HC?
Is he calling the plays? I do believe he deserves a part of the blame. But I am not of the belief that because he has HC next to his name that he is always to blame.
I do believe that he does not always let us in on the inner workings of the team. Yes, he (or whomever REALLY had the last say so on our QB debacle) should take some blame.
However, this team has been WAY worse than Hoyer. These coordinators get off the hook way too often.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Dolphin's ball at their 20.
Screen to Williams goes for 8.
Screen to 80? gets sniffed out. Loss of 3.
On 3rd and 5, Willams gets about 7 but holding on the Dolphins backs it up 10. Replay 3rd down. 3rd and 13 coming up.
End of the 3rd qtr.
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Pass to Gray comes up short of the 1st down. Dolphins to punt.
Mumphrey brings the punt back to the Texan 37.
barrett
10-25-2015, 02:43 PM
Is he calling the plays? I do believe he deserves a part of the blame. But I am not of the belief that because he has HC next to his name that he is always to blame.
I do believe that he does not always let us in on the inner workings of the team. Yes, he (or whomever REALLY had the last say so on our QB debacle) should take some blame.
However, this team has been WAY worse than Hoyer. These coordinators get off the hook way too often.
The HC is always most responsible among the coaching staff. BOB has total control of his staff. He hired them. He leads them and directs and approves the game plan. Their failure is his failure.
And I cannot imagine why anybody would think he did not have all the say on the QB position. He personally acquired former players and declared them his guys. Then he juggled them every time they played like the terrible QBs they are. You can let responsibility for this debacle of a franchise run up hill from O'Brien since Smith works with BOB on personnel and McNair hired them both, but it is dumb to make scape goats of the coordinators.
Texan's ball at their 37.
14:04 left in the game.
Screen to Foster gets about 5.
Dump off the Polk gets 6 and the 1st down.
Pass over the middle to Polk gets 7.
Polk powers for about 6 and the 1st down.
Hoyer's pass is picked but it was a free play.... Offsides Dolphins makes it 1st and 5 Texans.
Pass to Graham off the mark, inc.
Pass to Washington too tall, inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to Washington gets 7 or 8 and the 1st down at the Dolphin 27.
Pass to Washington goes for the TD. 27 yards.
Dolphins 41, Texans 20
11:27 left in the game.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Dolphin's ball at their 20.
Pass goes inc but flag on Clowney for roughing the passer, 15 yards.
Gray sweeps right for 2.
Screen goes for about 5 but flag is down.... holding on Dolphins, -10. Brings up 2nd and 18.
Pass to Jennings goes for 23 and the 1st down.
Pass to Cameron goes for 11.
Gray for 1. Ball at the Texan 38.
Gray for 3. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Tannehill's pass is inc. Dolphins going for the 53 yard FG.
FG is good.
Dolphins 44, Texans 20
7:41 left in the game.
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 03:02 PM
The HC is always most responsible among the coaching staff. BOB has total control of his staff. He hired them. He leads them and directs and approves the game plan. Their failure is his failure.
And I cannot imagine why anybody would think he did not have all the say on the QB position. He personally acquired former players and declared them his guys. Then he juggled them every time they played like the terrible QBs they are. You can let responsibility for this debacle of a franchise run up hill from O'Brien since Smith works with BOB on personnel and McNair hired them both, but it is dumb to make scape goats of the coordinators.
That's your opinion. But the truth of the matter is that no one but the necessary personnel knows who has total control on this team. We only know what they tell us.
Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Bill doesn't deserve SOME of the blame. But to blame him for it ALL is foolish and ignorant. He doesn't call any plays and he's not on the field. If anything he needs to hold somebody accountable and make some adjustments...
But yes coordinators should be held accounts as well...they are not exempt
chuck
10-25-2015, 03:09 PM
No one is blaming BOB for ALL of the team's problems, just pointing out that he is in fact the head coach.
barrett
10-25-2015, 03:09 PM
That's your opinion. But the truth of the matter is that no one but the necessary personnel knows who has total control on this team. We only know what they tell us.
Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Bill doesn't deserve SOME of the blame. But to blame him for it ALL is foolish and ignorant. He doesn't call any plays and he's not on the field. If anything he needs to hold somebody accountable and make some adjustments...
But yes coordinators should be held accounts as well...they are not exempt
What are you talking about? We don't know who is in charge? The HC is in charge on Sunday. End of story.
This is O'Brien's team. (Just like O'Brien is the one with Arian Foster pointlessly on the field to get hurt at the end of a blowout loss as I type).
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Pass to Washington gets 22.
Flags presnap....offsides Dolphins makes it 1st and 5.
Hoyer's pass is batted down, inc.
Blue for 2. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Timeout Texans.
Pass to Hop gets about 8 and the 1st down.
Pass to Foster is dropped. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster rushes for about 11 and the 1st down. Under 6 minutes left in the game.
Pass to Mumph gets 16, offsides Dolphins is declined. Ball at the Dolphin 18.
Foster for 5.
Pass over the middle towards Washington sails inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to Hop gets the 1st down at the Dolphin 5. 1st and goal.
Pass to Washington is not handled, inc. Foster injured on the play....
On 2nd and goal, pass to Washington goes for the TD.
2 pt conversion fails.
Dolphins 44, Texans 26
4 minutes left in the game.
And there goes Foster's Achilles.
Just freaking great.
chuck
10-25-2015, 03:20 PM
(Just like O'Brien is the one with Arian Foster pointlessly on the field to get hurt at the end of a blowout loss as I type).
That was pretty good, huh? Very Texan. BOB fits right in to the unending line of Texan HC dickwits.
Texans try the onside kick but it is recovered by the Dolphins.
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Moore in at QB
Rush goes for 8. Ball at the Texan 37.
Gray for 16.
Gray caught by Watt for loss of 4. 2nd and 14 coming up.
Pass to Jennings goes to the 10 yard line, 1st down.
2 minute warning.
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Dolphins kneeling it out.
Final score:
Dolphins 44, Texans 26
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 03:22 PM
My last name is not O'Brien, and I could give 2 shits of a damn about him. And I am not going to sit here and defend the man...LOL.
I am just pointing out that for those of us who are one track minded, this blowout, this team, is where it is because of a lot more than him...it's easy and lazy to put all the blame on one person. As long as we continue to do so we'll be in this situation...
chuck
10-25-2015, 03:24 PM
Absolutely disgusting. The Dolphins are a shit team. To get embarrassed by a shit team should be a wake up call. But as long as eighty thousand necks show up every other week McSenile will keep laughing.
Just how bad will it get before people wake up?
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 03:25 PM
And yes that was a pretty dumb move to leave Foster in knowing his history of injuries. But that was a pretty freak ass injury. No one even touched him.
That was pretty good, huh? Very Texan. BOB fits right in to the unending line of Texan HC dickwits.
Thought you left?
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 03:28 PM
Absolutely disgusting. The Dolphins are a shit team. To get embarrassed by a shit team should be a wake up call. But as long as eighty thousand necks show up every other week McSenile will keep laughing.
Just how bad will it get before people wake up?
That's what we do...that's who we are. Since the Kubiak days, we have played down to the level of our opponent...maybe we need to scrap all players from the Kubiak era.
sinnister
10-25-2015, 03:42 PM
Lets not forget Rick Smith. If I were McNair, I would look over to him and say "You're fired"!!!
barrett
10-25-2015, 03:44 PM
My last name is not O'Brien, and I could give 2 shits of a damn about him. And I am not going to sit here and defend the man...LOL.
I am just pointing out that for those of us who are one track minded, this blowout, this team, is where it is because of a lot more than him...it's easy and lazy to put all the blame on one person. As long as we continue to do so we'll be in this situation...
Who blamed only O'Brien? They can all get in line behind McNair for blame.
Also, it makes no difference what any of us do, we'll still be in this situation.
It's the nature of Houston sports (save for a couple of Rocket championships) for as long as I can remember and that goes back to the early 60's.....
Today was a golden opportunity to make something of the season, gain ground on the Colts (who lost) and turn this thing around. What do the Texans do? They fall flat on their faces.....not a close game loss, not a competitive loss, just a complete no-fight 1st round knockout...
nunusguy
10-25-2015, 03:49 PM
Absolutely disgusting. The Dolphins are a shit team. To get embarrassed by a shit team should be a wake up call. But as long as eighty thousand necks show up every other week McSenile will keep laughing.
Just how bad will it get before people wake up?
Wake up and do what, come back next week and watch them play again just as you do every week?
Amazing, but we are still only a game out of first place - yep the Colts lost again today.
sinnister
10-25-2015, 03:51 PM
The AFC South is a complete joke. That's all I can say.
Nconroe
10-25-2015, 03:53 PM
I guess plenty blame all around, but whoever was main force behind getting these two QB this year deserves most of blame for my vote.
But I will be back every week.
Nconroe
10-25-2015, 03:58 PM
The AFC South is a complete joke. That's all I can say.
Yeah, last year was NFC South, this year's it's AFC South.
hey, if someone has free tickets I might take em.
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 04:07 PM
I think last years success (relatively speaking) kind of screwed us...
Here me out...just my opinion
I believe the original plan was to clean house. But the relative success blinded us. We started to believe that maybe we could win with trash. BOB probably drank a little of the koolaid as well. So instead of following through Mission "remove all reminents of the Kubiak era"...we began mission "put a bandaid on a broke leg"...as a result we brought back scrubs and BOB started looking for his game manager...
Here we are realizing that our OLINE sucks, JJ can't just do what he wants, Cushing talks more than he walks, Arian is as injury prone as ever (no one touched him) and can't be relied on, and game managers don't last in this NFL...
So I'm pushing for us to get back to the original plan...
sinnister
10-25-2015, 04:23 PM
I think last years success (relatively speaking) kind of screwed us...
Here me out...just my opinion
I believe the original plan was to clean house. But the relative success blinded us. We started to believe that maybe we could win with trash. BOB probably drank a little of the koolaid as well. So instead of following through Mission "remove all reminents of the Kubiak era"...we began mission "put a bandaid on a broke leg"...as a result we brought back scrubs and BOB started looking for his game manager...
Here we are realizing that our OLINE sucks, JJ can't just do what he wants, Cushing talks more than he walks, Arian is as injury prone as ever (no one touched him) and can't be relied on, and game managers don't last in this NFL...
So I'm pushing for us to get back to the original plan...
I think BOB is blinded a lot by New England. Tom Brady fixes a lot of problems on offense, and makes things easier for the defense as well. I think BOB thinks we can get by with an OL thats not great, subbing WR and RBs each week, and everything will be ok with the right game manager......only problem is that we don't have Brady.
barrett
10-25-2015, 04:42 PM
I think last years success (relatively speaking) kind of screwed us...
Here me out...just my opinion
I believe the original plan was to clean house. But the relative success blinded us. We started to believe that maybe we could win with trash. BOB probably drank a little of the koolaid as well. So instead of following through Mission "remove all reminents of the Kubiak era"...we began mission "put a bandaid on a broke leg"...as a result we brought back scrubs and BOB started looking for his game manager...
Here we are realizing that our OLINE sucks, JJ can't just do what he wants, Cushing talks more than he walks, Arian is as injury prone as ever (no one touched him) and can't be relied on, and game managers don't last in this NFL...
So I'm pushing for us to get back to the original plan...
The biggest problem with that is Hoyer has never been anything close to a game manager. He is neither accurate nor safe with the ball. He is at his best when throwing the ball down field and making the 55% that he completes count. He is like Ryan Fitzpatrick with less arm and less mobility.
HPF Bob
10-25-2015, 05:01 PM
What concerns me is that this is four games already this season where we not only lost but looked like a high school team in the process. Three games now (KC, ATL, MIA) where we were literally blown out in the first half and one game (IND) where we lost to a 40-year-old QB who was under the weather while committing nearly every stupid mistake a team could make.
THAT, friends, is a lack of preparation and THAT goes on the coaches - 1000%. If 2/3rds of your games are EMBARRASSING losses, not just losses, THAT goes on the coaches - 1000%.
Romeo and the entire defensive staff should be fired and if O'Brien won't do it, fire him too.
That's not to exonerate the front office or the offense but you have to start somewhere.
Should've kept Wade as DC.
Games likely would have been more fun to watch even with an inept O.
nunusguy
10-25-2015, 05:24 PM
Romeo and the entire defensive staff should be fired and if O'Brien won't do it, fire him too.
We know McNair won't fire O'Briene because he's got a 5 year contract plus what it cost the owner to buy out his Penn State contract.
Now they might fire Romeo. There is some talent on the defense, but very little on offense and of course with no hope in sight at QB, the offense has got a long, long ways to go.
sinnister
10-25-2015, 06:07 PM
Anyone have any thoughts about next years Qb. Will it be someone on the roster, someone we draft, or a free agent?
The AFC South is a complete joke. That's all I can say.
It's likely going to get even messier.
#Colts next 3 games:
-- at 5-0 Carolina
-- vs. 6-0 Denver
-- at 6-1 Atlanta.
Big Texas
10-25-2015, 08:58 PM
It's likely going to get even messier.
#Colts next 3 games:
-- at 5-0 Carolina
-- vs. 6-0 Denver
-- at 6-1 Atlanta.
We should be in 1st place at the end of all that. BUT we are not taking advantage of this opportunity and I can't see a change in sight less we make a major change this week.
We should be in 1st place at the end of all that. BUT we are not taking advantage of this opportunity and I can't see a change in sight less we make a major change this week.
Yep, but at this point I'm not really sure what changes would be a positive for this season. About the only one that comes to mind would be to give Vrabel a shot at DC. Play calling on O may change, but not sure if it would be publicized, so we would't know. There's few difference makers on the street, so the core group isn't changing.
popanot
10-25-2015, 09:33 PM
If Mallett is still on the team after tomorrow it will tell me all I need to know about OB, Smith and McNut - especially OB. I will lose a large amount of respect and patience with OB if he does nothing with Mallett. I don't give a flying flip at this point who the starting QB is or which schlep they sign off the street as the backup. Go sign Ponder, Tebow, or hell, Vinny Testeverde for all I care, but the first message OB needs to send to this wussy-fied team is, we may suck, but we won't tolerate some dumbass malcontent.
sinnister
10-25-2015, 09:48 PM
If Mallett is still on the team after tomorrow it will tell me all I need to know about OB, Smith and McNut - especially OB. I will lose a large amount of respect and patience with OB if he does nothing with Mallett. I don't give a flying flip at this point who the starting QB is or which schlep they sign off the street as the backup. Go sign Ponder, Tebow, or hell, Vinny Testeverde for all I care, but the first message OB needs to send to this wussy-fied team is, we may suck, but we won't tolerate some dumbass malcontent.
Vinny Testeverde is 51, but he might be a significant improvement.
chuck
10-25-2015, 10:37 PM
Thought you left?
A question mark is used at the end of an interrogative sentence, neck. Learn English.
Also, I declared that I am giving up on this team. It's years too late, sure. But I am not necessarily going to quit posting here. I mean, Keith may finally come to his senses and pull a Sweeney leaving Bob in charge who would most likely ban me just on principle, which I would mostly understand.
So as a recovering Texans fan posting here I may come across even more obnoxious than usual.
barrett
10-25-2015, 11:49 PM
A question mark is used at the end of an interrogative sentence, neck. Learn English.
Also, I declared that I am giving up on this team. It's years too late, sure. But I am not necessarily going to quit posting here. I mean, Keith may finally come to his senses and pull a Sweeney leaving Bob in charge who would most likely ban me just on principle, which I would mostly understand.
So as a recovering Texans fan posting here I may come across even more obnoxious than usual.
At this point I don't think you could be too negative for the situation. This franchise is actually worse than your most doom and gloom post of the last decade.
Keith
10-26-2015, 12:33 AM
Yep, but at this point I'm not really sure what changes would be a positive for this season. About the only one that comes to mind would be to give Vrabel a shot at DC. Play calling on O may change, but not sure if it would be publicized, so we would't know. There's few difference makers on the street, so the core group isn't changing.
Promote Vrabel to head coach. A similar promotion seems to be working in Miami where they made Dan Campbell HC from being TE coach, and he has less coaching experience than Vrabel.
sinnister
10-26-2015, 12:58 AM
Promote Vrabel to head coach. A similar promotion seems to be working in Miami where they made Dan Campbell HC from being TE coach, and he has less coaching experience than Vrabel.
I would like to see Vrabel as a coach. I think he would toughen up this team.
nunusguy
10-26-2015, 07:44 AM
At this point I don't think you could be too negative for the situation. This franchise is actually worse than your most doom and gloom post of the last decade.
C'mon man, what are you talking about ? O'Brien has got this team in the thick of it - in second place, only 1 game out of the division lead with over half the season to go yet.
You are too defeatist - you get lemons, make lemonade.
sinnister
10-26-2015, 10:03 AM
There are so many holes on this team. On offense, we are in dire need of a Qb, 2 Rbs, an explosive Wr, 2 to 3 TEs, and probably 3 OL. On defense, we are in need of a Nt, De, and DL depth, 2 ILBs, 2 OLBs(1 for depth), 2 Safties, and at least another corner. So, if we can land a super haul next year of 20 draft picks, and hit on each one, we are right back in the middle of the super bowl race.
HPF Bob
10-26-2015, 12:40 PM
Keith may finally come to his senses and pull a Sweeney leaving Bob in charge who would most likely ban me just on principle, which I would mostly understand.
You imply that leaving me in charge = coming to one's senses but I would disagree. I have enough headaches with AstrosDaily. And, I wouldn't ban you if you aren't going all Hetero Doxy on us.
Part of me wishes I could run away to some other country and disconnect myself from America (other than their sports) but I'm now tethered to a job with the federal government and I'm not desperate enough to take a job as Ambassador to Libya. Yet. ;)
Keith
10-26-2015, 02:51 PM
There are obviously no quick fixes to a decade's worth of mostly poor personnel decisions, but there is one thing the Texans can do defensively to save themselves at least a TD per game... and that is for the front seven to read and react to the screen plays.
Crennel has given Watt some leeway to freelance out there, and this worked very well in 2014 when Watt should have been MVP of the league. This year, however, offenses have figured out that the Texans defense only cares about pursuit which leaves them very vulnerable to players getting the football out in space, ESPECIALLY when the LBs and safeties are slow and severely lacking NFL-caliber talent.
Take advantage of the speed Watt and Clowney (and, ahem, you too Mercilus) to remove the screen game from opposing offenses, and this D likely goes back to looking like a bend-but-don't-break defense loaded with first rounders.
sinnister
10-26-2015, 06:51 PM
Another thing would be to tighten the coverage. Give Watt and Clowney a chance to make a play and eliminate all the quick throws. Also, always rush at least 5 players. Mercilus isn't much use, so at least let him use his speed to get after the qb, and maybe get a few cleanup sacks. I would line Clowney on Watts side, Mercilus on the other, and do a lot of praying. Maybe hire a full time chaplain.
Pertinent to earlier discussion, article from Jason LaCanfora....
Inside Football: Time for heads to roll in Houston, but not Bill O'Brien's (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25353636/inside-football-time-for-heads-to-roll-in-houston-but-not-bill-obriens)
Status quo won't cut it for the Houston Texans. Something has to give.
This team has been pounded into submission far too frequently. It has reached epidemic proportions on both sides of the ball.
Sunday's dumpster fire of a loss to the Dolphins -- punctuated by Arian Foster tearing his Achilles -- was just the latest embarrassment in a season full of them. Where to start? From Ryan Mallett sleeping through his workday after losing his starting job to the quick hook for Brian Hoyer not even three-full quarters into Week 1, to the bizarre in-game quarterback shuffling, to Mallett missing the team charter to Miami, to the defense that can neither pressure nor cover nor tackle, to the offense that can do nothing consistently other then throw balls up for grabs for DeAndre Hopkins, nothing has gone right in Houston.
This franchise is broken right now. And I can't imagine change is not on the horizon. Some smaller changes now, perhaps, and certainly greater ones yet after the season.
This was a mini-playoff game at Miami, a chance for Houston to salvage a horrible start to the season by finding a way to get to 3-4. What the Texans conspired to do instead can not really be quantified as football.
It was horrific, really. Like if Alabama played a mediocre high school team. Miami -- a middling outfit at best -- led 41-0 at the half and racked up like 450 yards in the process. The Dolphins had a yardage advantage of 275-4 at one point. Miami -- ridiculed for the past three years or so for having zero big-play pop in its offense -- was ripping off 50-yard chunk plays at will.
This was a collective failure of spirit, discipline, effort, pride, the degree of which is rarely seen in the NFL. This was one team playing its guts out and the other gassing up the bus to the plane. Hopefully someone managed to escort Mallett from the locker room on to the right flight and all, although cutting him in South Beach may have actually be more apropos.
Drastic changes this soon in the season rarely elicit much response, though these same Dolphins would offer a contrarian view on that at this point. And Bill O'Brien, as much as he's made a meal of this season, isn't going anywhere. He's the most influential figure in this organization and he's got a ton of money still due to him.
More at link...
There are obviously no quick fixes to a decade's worth of mostly poor personnel decisions, but there is one thing the Texans can do defensively to save themselves at least a TD per game... and that is for the front seven to read and react to the screen plays.
Crennel has given Watt some leeway to freelance out there, and this worked very well in 2014 when Watt should have been MVP of the league. This year, however, offenses have figured out that the Texans defense only cares about pursuit which leaves them very vulnerable to players getting the football out in space, ESPECIALLY when the LBs and safeties are slow and severely lacking NFL-caliber talent.
Take advantage of the speed Watt and Clowney (and, ahem, you too Mercilus) to remove the screen game from opposing offenses, and this D likely goes back to looking like a bend-but-don't-break defense loaded with first rounders.
Saw one play yesterday where Clowney sniffed out a WR screen. Unfortunately the other 10+ worked like a charm, but that 1 was a pretty good play.
A "local" outlook:
Houston Texans Are Failing At All Levels of the Organization (http://www.scout.com/nfl/texans/story/1603334-texans-are-not-good-fit-houston)
Patrick Starr
Fire Rick Smith?
Fire Romeo Crennel?
Fire Bill O達rien?
At this point the Houston Texans are bad for the city of Houston and, for the second time in seven weeks, they were outclassed on the field. Looking at those two games, they were completely manhandled by the Atlanta Falcons and Miami Dolphins. The Texans put up a big zero while being outscored 69-0 combined in the first halves of those games.
The bigger concern is how things have spiraled downward for the Texans on the field. Missed tackles, zero production from he offense (when it counts), and a team that sometimes appears disinterested are the red flags that continue to get bigger week to week.
The Texans beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers due to a kicker missing multiple field goals and beat a Jacksonville Jaguars team who could possibly be worse than the Texans. No film review will help the Texans correct this; the only thing that will help change what is going on is someone being made an example of, but "who?" is the real question.
At this point it doesn稚 matter who because the structure of the Texans is the issue. Rick Smith is required to find the players who Bill O達rien wants to on his team. The 53-man roster is constructed by O達rien with input from his coaches. If the Texans should have moved on from Smith, the time to do so was when the Gary Kubiak regime was scrapped. It wasn稚 done then and now Smith is attached to the O達rien era more than ever.
O達rien chose to attach himself to Brian Hoyer when free agency started, then decided to keep the quarterback competition a day to day question mark all the way through the 3rd week of the preseason. Then, after deciding Hoyer was the guy, O'Brien pulled the plug on him three quarters later in week one, switching to Ryan Mallett. Mallett's awful last three starts along with today's missing of the team flight to Miami more than likely have left him positioned with no way out of the O達rien doghouse.
The reality is that until the structure of the Texans changes, it will not improve. Let the coaches coach and have a general manager help construct the team and ultimately have the final say in personnel. O達rien has complete control of the 53-man roster and these are his guys on his roster but the production is not there. The Texans continue to be out-coached and outclassed between the white lines.
More at link.....
Here comes the power struggle....
From Brian Smith's twitter
O'Brien tried and wanted to cut Mallett on Saturday after he missed team plane. GM Rick Smith wouldn't allow it and overruled #Texans' coach
popanot
10-26-2015, 10:16 PM
Here comes the power struggle....
From Brian Smith's twitter
O'Brien tried and wanted to cut Mallett on Saturday after he missed team plane. GM Rick Smith wouldn't allow it and overruled #Texans' coachSmith should be fired along with Mallett. That is absolutely ridiculous a GM overrules a coach on cutting loose a freaking useless, backup malcontent. I can understand it if it is a key player making millions under a longterm contract, but a crappy backup under a 1-yr contrct??. WTH could Smith possibly be thinking here? If you're going to make a complete asswipe move like this and undermine the HC, then just fire him. I'm really beginning to depise this organization with Smith at the helm.
sinnister
10-26-2015, 11:50 PM
I am hoping this is Rick Smith's farewell season.
Smith should be fired along with Mallett. That is absolutely ridiculous a GM overrules a coach on cutting loose a freaking useless, backup malcontent. I can understand it if it is a key player making millions under a longterm contract, but a crappy backup under a 1-yr contrct??. WTH could Smith possibly be thinking here? If you're going to make a complete asswipe move like this and undermine the HC, then just fire him. I'm really beginning to depise this organization with Smith at the helm.
Sorta agree. If OB was in the heat of the moment and. Rick talked him off the ledge, I'd be ok with it. You can't go into a game with your punter as the QB2.
The real tell will be if Mallett survives today. If he does, Rick wins. If he doesn't, they compromised for the sake of the team on game day.
Regardless, it's never good when stuff like this is leaked to the media. We shouldn't even know about it. Drama is always bad, but especially bad for a struggling squad.
popanot
10-27-2015, 08:17 AM
I haven't read the article because I refuse to register at chron.com just to get "insider" access to read some hack sports article. But yes, timing is key here. If this went down before the Miami game, then I can understand Smith overruling OB and hopefully it gets corrected today. But if it went down after the game, then they might as well fire OB because, IMO, it totally undermines his authority in the locker room. How I see this playing out is, if Mallett remains on the roster, I can see a scenario where OB flags him as Inactive from here on and brings up Dysert (or signs someone else) at the expense of a currently rostered player. And that's unfortunate because it impacts OB's authority as well as another player who doesn't deserve to get cut just because the idiot, inept GM wants to make a power play for a useless player.
HPF Bob
10-27-2015, 09:50 AM
FWIW, Mallett is not on a 1-year contract. Cutting Mallett now, if I read the cap details right, takes his 2-yr deal and puts it against this year's cap but then there's nothing against next year's cap, saving $3.5 million in 2016. $1.75 million of the contract is guaranteed which is all 2015 money.
Frankly, cutting Mallett does not fix the problem nor does it send the right message. it's not going to light a fire under these players. I suspect O'Brien has overused his profanity-laced tirades and the players have begun tuning it out.
popanot
10-27-2015, 11:39 AM
Frankly, cutting Mallett does not fix the problem nor does it send the right message. it's not going to light a fire under these players. I suspect O'Brien has overused his profanity-laced tirades and the players have begun tuning it out.Texans disagree. It solves one problem... Getting a pouty, malcontent, dumbass off the roster. Texans aren't out any big money so I'm glad they did it.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet ｷ 5m5 minutes ago
The #Texans informed QB Ryan Mallett of his release, as @McClain_on_NFL said. They'll sign/trade for a veteran to back up Brian Hoyer
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli ｷ 23m23 minutes ago
The #Texans have released Ryan Mallett and are working to bring back T.J. Yates as their backup quarterback.
barrett
10-27-2015, 11:46 AM
I'm thinking I might go over to Reliant and ask for a QB tryout. I need to exercise more anyways so it is a win/win for all parties.
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