View Full Version : Official Texans @ Jaguars Game Thread, 10/18/2015
The 1-4 Texans travel to Jacksonville Sunday to take on the 1-4 Jaguars in an early game. The Jags are comng off a 38-31 road loss to the Tampa Bay Bucs. Against the Bucs, Jags QB Blake Bortles was 23/33 for 303 yards, 4 TD's, 1 INT and a rating of 125.4. He was sacked 6 times, however.
The Texans are coming off a 27-20 home loss to the Indianapolis Colts in a Thursday night game. The Texans will try to counter Bortles with JJ Watt who has been tough on Jag's QB's. Watt has 11.5 sacks in 8 games (http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/15044/j-j-watt-has-pounded-the-jaguars-and-qb-blake-bortles) against the Jaguars and 6 against Bortles in two meetings. QB Brian Hoyer is expected to start for the Texans.
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TV = CBS (channel 11 local), noon CST, Sunday
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2015&wk=6) = Tom McCarthy, Adam Archuleta (the "F" team)
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = pickem to Jags by 1.5
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
CBS (late) = San Diego @ Green Bay -- Jim Nantz, Phil Simms
FOX (late) = Carolina @ Seattle -- Sam Rosen, John Lynch
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Prime time:
TNF = Atlanta @ New Orleans, CBS/NFLN
SNF = New England @ Indianapolis, NBC
MNF = NY Giants @ Philadelphia
popanot
10-16-2015, 01:43 PM
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 17m17 minutes ago
Joe Haden and Tashaun Gibson out Sunday.
Jadeveon Clowney out Sunday.
DeMarcus Ware out Sunday.
Ugh... Clowney out. :(
Ugh... Clowney out. :(
That blows. JJ will likely get quadruple teamed now.....
Keith
10-16-2015, 11:54 PM
Clowney, sadly, is entering official bust zone, due to his injuries. Stinks.
As for Watt, he played better last season without Clowney, and has been routinely doubled and sometimes tripled, so I'm not sure how much Clowney's absence affect him on Sunday.
I think this defense overall, including Watt, just got a little too heady thinking they were better than they were. There's talent on the defense for sure, maybe less so at safety and linebacker, but I still believe there's a good D in there somewhere if these guys just stay in their lane and fulfill their roles. Playing the Jags is a good opportunity to start getting back on track.
popanot
10-17-2015, 02:46 PM
Quite a few pundits I follow the Twit say Clowney is actually playing pretty well and showing flashes of becoming a dominant player, although, it hasn't shown up in the sack column yet. With that being said, you still have to be consistently on the field and Clowney certainly hasn't done that yet. Bad thing is, we're quickly getting to that timeframe where you need to know what you have before that contract option kicks in.
On another note: JJ is now Questionable for the game due to illness.
nunusguy
10-17-2015, 09:59 PM
Quite a few pundits I follow the Twit say Clowney is actually playing pretty well and showing flashes of becoming a dominant player, although, it hasn't shown up in the sack column yet. With that being said, you still have to be consistently on the field and Clowney certainly hasn't done that yet. Bad thing is, we're quickly getting to that timeframe where you need to know what you have before that contract option kicks in.
On another note: JJ is now Questionable for the game due to illness.
Isn't there 2 years to go after this season before his rookie contract is up ?
Lots of late action on the Jags. Jags now favored by 2 to 3 - not a good sign.....
Gametime in about 12 minutes....
Supposed to be very windy in Jacksonville....
Warren
10-18-2015, 11:58 AM
Inactives:
Texans: LB Jadeveon Clowney, S Quintin Demps, WR Nate Washington, LB Brian Peters, G Greg Mancz, G Xavier Su’a-Filo, DL Jeoffrey Pagan
Jaguars: WR Marqise Lee, RB Bernard Pierce, S James Sample, RB TJ Yeldon, CB Nick Marshall, G Tyler Shatley, DE Chris Smith
Opening kickoff is downed in the end zone, touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Foster for 4.
Hoyer's pass to Shorts goes for nice gainer, ball at the Jag 46.
Foster gets caught for -2.
Pass to Hop down the sideline is broken up, inc. Brings up 3rd and 12.
Timeout Texans (#1).
Pass to Hop off the mark, inc. Texans to punt.
Lechler's punt is fair caught by the Jags.
Jags ball at their 11.
Pass to Robinson goes for 24 down the sideline.
Gerhart for 4.
Robinson gets about 3. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass to Thomas gets 2...... Jags going for it on 4th and 1.....
Bortles pass is tipped and INT'ed by KJ but holding on KJ gives the Jags 5 yards and a 1st down.
Pass to Thomas too hot to handle, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Grant for 1.
On 3rd and 9, Bortles pass is broken up by JJo, inc. Jags will have to punt.
Punt is downed at the Texan 1 or 2 yard line.
Texan's ball at their 1.
Pass to Shorts gets 10 or 11.
Foster nice run for about 16.
Foster for 3 but flag down.....holding on Brooks makes it 1st and 20.
Pass to Fido goes for 8.
Foster for about 3 but another flag is down....unnecessary roughness on the Jags, +15. Ball at the Texan 43.
Hoyer pressured, throws it away, inc but flag is down... holding on Newton backs it up 10. Makes it 1st and 20.
Polk gets 5.
Dumpoff to Polk only gets 2. Brings up 3rd and 13.
Umph, dumpoff to Foster gets about 12..... Texans going for it on 4th down....
Pass to Hop goes to the Jag 40 and the 1st down.
Polk for 4.
Foster runs for about 7 or 8 and the 1st down. Ball at the Jag 28.
Hoyer can't find a receiver and throws it over Fido out of bounds, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Hop goes for 9.
Foster for 2 and a 1st down.
Polk for 2 or 3.
Hoyer's pass is knocked down, inc. Brings up 3rd and 7.
Texans use another timeout (#2).
Pass over the middle to Foster goes for the TD! 14 yards.
Texans 7, Jags 0
1:36 left in the 1st qtr.
Jags bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 25.
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Jag's ball at their 25.
Bortles' pass is off the hands of Thomas, inc.
Pass to Robinson good for 21.
Robinson goes for 2.
Pass to Thomas goes to the Texan 38.
End of the 1st qtr.
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Bortles is sacked by Mercilus for loss of 7.
Dump off to Gerhart goes for 7. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Robinson inc but off sides on Watt makes it 3rd and 5.
Dump off to Gerhart gets the 1st down at the Texan 25.
Quick hitter to Robinson gets 8.
Gerhart gets 2 and the 1st down at the Texan 15.
Bortles under pressure gets off the pass but inc. 2nd and 10 coming up. KJ injured and limps off the field.
Gerhart for about 3.
Pass to Walters goes for 8 and tack on a facemask on KJ2 puts the ball a the Texan 4.
Gerhart for 2. 2nd and goal at the 2.
Pass to Robinson goes for the TD.
Texans 7, Jags 7
9:41 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff is downed by the Texans in the end zone, touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Pass to Shorts gets 18.
Nice catch by Hop goes for 16.
Polk rumbles for about 12. Ball at the Jag 34.
Pass over the middle to Strong gets 6. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Pass to Mumphrey is inc. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Hoyer's pass is incomplete but flag is down... off sides Jags gives the Texans a 1st down at the 24.
Foster sweeps left and gets stripped, but Lamm recovers it. 2nd and 11 coming up.
Hoyer's pass is tipped at the LOS and fall inc. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Hoyer hit as he throws, ball goes inc. Texans to go for the FG on 4th and 11.
Novak's 42-yarder is good.
Texans 10, Jags 7
6:38 left in the half.
The ensuing kickoff goes out of the end zone, touchback.
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Jag's ball at their 20.
Gerhart for 6.
Pass to Walters gets 4 and the 1st down.
Bortles deep pass too tall for Hurns, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Robinson for 3. Brings up 3rd and 7.
Pass to Thomas gets 9 and the 1st down. Ball at the Jag 43.
Robinson for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Bortles pressured, throws it away, inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Pass to Robinson broken up, inc. Jags will have to punt.
Punt is fair caught by the Texans.
3:04 left in the half.
Texan's ball at their 17.
Foster sweeps right for 8.
Oy, Hopkins had it and dropped it. Incomplete pass. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Texans use their last timeout with 2:11 left in the half.
Pass to Shorts gets the 1st down but flag is down... PI on the Graham makes it 3rd and 12 coming up.
2 minute warning.
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Deep pass to Hop is short and inc but flag is down.... PI on Hop is declined.... Texans to punt.
Jags bring the punt back to the Texan 44 but flag is down....Roughness on the Jags backs it up 15.
Jag's ball at their 40.
Pass to Walters gets 2.
Pass to Thomas gets 3. 3rd and 5 coming up with 1:21 left in the half.
Bortles scrambles for the 1st down at the Texan 48.
Pass over the middle to Thomas goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Bortles scrambles again for 11 and a 1st down. Jags use a timeout (#1) with 49 seconds left in the half.
Bortles pressured but still completes a pass for 5 to Walters. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Flags presnap..... previous play under review.... play stands.... 40 seconds left in the half. Jags have 1 timeout left.
Pass over the middle to Walters gets nice gain.
Shovel pass to Gerhart goes to the Texan 10. 17 seconds left in the half. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Pass is INT'ed by Hal! Texan's ball at their 2!
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Texans kneel it.
Halftime.
Appreciate the gift Bortles. Not sure what he was looking at.
Jags to receive the 2nd half kickoff.
Jags bring the kickoff back to almost their 25.
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Jag's ball at their 25.
Robinson for no gain.
Late flip by Bortles gets 5 yards. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Bortles pressured, throws it away, inc. Jags will have to punt.
Mumphrey brings the punt back to the Texan 25.
Texan's ball at their 25.
Dump off to Foster gets 15.
Foster for almost 6.
Foster gets 3+.... Makes it 3rd and inches.
Hoyer sneaks it for the 1st down. Ball at the Jag 49.
Foster gets tripped up but gains 1.
Pass over the middle to Polk goes inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Flip pass to Foster only gets about 6. Texans will punt on 4th and 4.
Punt goes into the end zone, touchback.
Jag's ball at their 20.
Gerhart for 5.
Gerhart for 1 or 2. Brings up 3rd and 3.
Pass to Hurns goes for the 1st down at the Texan 46.
Deep pass to Robinson off the mark, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Gerhart goes left for 3.
On 3rd and 7, Bortles pass is blocked by Watt. Jags will have to punt.
Punt goes into the end zone, touchback.
Keith
10-18-2015, 02:11 PM
Missing Kareem, JJo, Benardrick... of course no Clowney all game. Really testing the depth of the defense here. Good thing the Jaguars have no running game.
Texan's ball at their 20.
Foster for 3.
Hoyer is smothered for a sack. Brings up 3rd and 13.
Pass to Hop goes for about 16 and the 1st down.
Polk for 4.
Pass to Shorts just goes for 3. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass to Mumphrey gets 4 or 5 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 46.
Foster for 2.
Pass to Shorts off the mark, inc. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Pass to Hop gets close to the 1st down...... measurement in progress.....4th and inches.... Texans going for it on 4th down...
Foster caught in the backfield for a loss. Jags takeover on downs.
Jag's ball at their 48.
Pass to Robinson goes for 22. Ball at the Texan 30.
Bortles pressured, throws it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Gerhart for 1. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Pass over the middle to a wide open Thomas goes for the TD. 29 yards.
Flags on the extra point.... Texans have too many men on the field, 5 yards.
Extra point is good.
Jags 14, Texans 10
5 seconds left in the 3rd qtr.
Keith
10-18-2015, 02:22 PM
JJo was back in. TD Jags anyway.
The ensuing kickoff is brought back by Mumphrey to the Texan 19.
End of the 3rd qtr.
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Texan's ball at their 19.
Pass to Hop gets 14.
Foster bottled up loses 3.
Foster catches the pass and makes some nifty moves to get the 1st down.
Whoa, nice catch by Hop but flag is down....holding on the Jags is declined. Ball at the Jag 28. 32 yards on the play. Bradley throws the challenge flag (completed catch?).......
Play stands - completed pass.
Foster goes right for almost 5.
Hoyer scrambles for the 1st down but is nailed and flags are thrown..... flag on Jags for roughness....1/2 the distance places the ball at the Jag 9 yard line.
Mallett in.
Foster for no gain.
Hoyer back in.
Hoyer can't find a receiver and throws out of the back of the end zone, inc. 3rd and goal from the 9.
Hoyer hits Hop for the TD!
Texans 17, Jags 14
11:20 left in the game.
The ensuing kickoff is a touchback.
Jag's ball at their 20.
Robinson for 3.
Robinson for about 4. Brings up 3rd and 3.
Pass to Hurns is complete for the 1st down but holding on the Jags = -10. Makes it 3rd and 13 coming up.
Bortles pass is off the mark, inc. Jags will have to punt. 9:36 left in the game.
Shorts brings the punt back to the Jag 47.
Texan's ball at the Jag 46.
Pass to Hop goes to the Jag 33.
Foster goes up the gut for 4.
Pass to Mumphrey gets a couple.... flag is down....ref says, "no flag". Brings up 3rd and 3.
Gimme, gimme, well placed pass to Hop down the side line goes for the TD. 26 yards.
Texans 24, Jags 14
8:07 left in the game.
Jags bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 26.
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Jag's ball at their 26.
Pick 6 Andre Hal! 31 yards!
Texans 31, Jags 14
7:55 left in the game.
Jags down the ensuing kickoff in the end zone, touchback.
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Jag's ball at their 20.
Pass to Robinson gets 7. Ballentine and Robinson both injured on the play.... Ballentine's injury looks like a shin break....eeesh.
On 2nd and 3, pass to Robinson gets the 1st down at the Jag 36.
Bortles pressured, gets the pass out for a gain of 15.
Pass to Walters gets a nice gainer. Ball at the Texan 29.
Pass to Hurns broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Hurns near the goal line off the mark, inc.
Pass to Thomas inc but flags are down....roughing the passer on Watt gives the Jags 1/2 the distance. Places the ball at the Texan 16.
Bortles scrambles for 7.
Pass to Walters goes to the 2 but unnecessary roughness on Eddie Unpleasant makes it 1/2 the distance. 1st and goal at the 1.
Bortles sacked by Mercilus. Loss of 5.
Flags presnap. False start Jags, -5. 2nd and goal at the 11.
Bortles pass over the middle goes inc. 3rd and goal at the 11.
Pass into the end zone is broken up, inc. Jags going for it on 4th and goal.
Pass to Hurns in the end zone good for the TD.
Extra point no good.
Texans 31, Jags 20
4:32 left in the game.
Jags do the onside kick and recover but flags are down.....offside Jags so re-kick....
Timeout Texans (#1).
Onside kick goes out of bounds... Texans will take the ball where it went out of bounds.
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Texan's ball at the Jag 40.
Polk for 1.
Jags use a timeout. (1 left)
Flags presnap. False start Texans makes it 2nd and 14.
Polk powers for 9 yards. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Polk for no gain. Jags use their last timeout with 3:39 left in the game.
On 4th and 6, Novak will attempt a 54-yarder.
Novak fields the snap and punts it ..... Punt goes into the end zone, touchback.
Jag's ball at their 20.
Pass to Walters goes all the way to midfield.
Pass to Lewis gets 8.
Dump off to Robinson gets 3.
Bortles pass is over everyone, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up with 2:18 left in the game.
Pass to Robinson goes for 8.
2 minute warning.
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Bortles is sacked by Simon.
On 4th down, Bortles scrambles for the 1st down at the Texan 28.
Pass goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Lewis broken up, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up with 1:09 left in the game.
Pass is INT'ed by Bouye at the 14 yard line.
Texan's ball at their 14.
Texans kneeling it.
Final score:
Texans 31, Jags 20
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Nice win, way better than a loss.....
barrett
10-18-2015, 03:32 PM
I guess the only thing to say is at least we're not Jaguars fans.
Seriously, everyone but Hopkins and Mercilus played awful and we still win by double digits on the road. Jacksonville really shouldn't have a franchise.
And as bad as Hoyer/Mallett are this game makes me glad we passed on Bortles.
HPF Bob
10-18-2015, 03:56 PM
I'd say Andre Hal had a good game. We have a great record within the state of Florida which gets another test next week. Don't think this says anything except we're either the second or third best team in the AFC Suck.
Is it blasphemy to root for the Colts tonight? I hate the friggin' Patriots.
Hopkins now has 726 receiving yards, #1 in the NFL and 88 yards ahead of Julio.....
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I thought Foster is starting to look more like Foster. He seems to be getting better each game.....
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Winning the turnover battle 3-0 certainly helped..... for a while there, we were on pace to break our own record for fewest takeaways in a year....
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Miami is up next and had a win today over the Titans 38-10 thanks to two Mariota INT's and two Mariota lost fumbles. Tannehill himself had two INTs. The game is in Miami and is very winnable - Miami has never beaten the Texans....
The march to .500 continues...... ;)
Keith
10-18-2015, 05:08 PM
I'm awesome at quoting myself.As for Watt, he played better last season without Clowney, and has been routinely doubled and sometimes tripled, so I'm not sure how much Clowney's absence affect him on Sunday.
Anyone notice how much more Watt moved around the line with Clowney out? Left side, right side... I think he moved more today than he did in the first five games combined. And I liked it. Watt obviously was struggling the further away he was from when he took IVs, but he was harder to contain for the offense when he moved around.
Crennel needs to keep this in mind if and when Clowney returns this season. Not quite sure Crennel is figuring out how to maximize the pieces he has on defense. Adding Clowney should make a defense more dynamic, not less dynamic.
popanot
10-18-2015, 05:27 PM
Isn't there 2 years to go after this season before his rookie contract is up ?Yes. And if the next 2 years go like the first 2, where will we be as far as extending? If it's that bad the answer would be not to extend, but I'd prefer to see some good progress from here on so we know for sure if we have a player or not.
Early line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) has the Dolphins as a 4.5 to 5 pt favorite next week....
nunusguy
10-19-2015, 07:56 AM
Yesterdays OLine started with Duane Brown @ LT and Ben Jones @ center, so that's no change, but here's where it gets interesting - Newt moved from RT to RG and new guy FA Chris Clark replaced Newt @ RT, regular RG Brandon Brooks started @ LG where they've been playing newly acquired FA Obay Aboushi. So looks like that was all about plugging somebody in at LG and don't know what happened to Aboushi ? I'm wondering if 2nd round pick in 2014 LG Xavior Sui-Ofila is ever gonna get on the field again this year ?
Oline only gave up 1 sack and the teams rushed for 95 yards yesterday, so it was a so-so day for the Oline stat-wise.
If we could get that kind of output from Hoyer each week, we might actually be competitive.
But, if Hoyer was able to produce that kind of output each week, this might not be his 8th team in 6 years.......
Maybe some where in the middle? :rolleyes:
Definitely didn't see anything from Bortles to make we desire a swap for him a Clowney. He made some really stupid decisions, and likely cost his team a W. We have enough of that here already.
Good to see Foster with a little step here and there. He has a knack for finding space where there isn't any.
Keith
10-19-2015, 11:06 AM
Definitely didn't see anything from Bortles to make we desire a swap for him a Clowney. He made some really stupid decisions, and likely cost his team a W. We have enough of that here already.
Bortles looked like a turd, but don't underestimate how crappy his tutelage has been in Jacksonville. Could be homerism, but I think O'Brien has better success with Bortles. Who was the last young QB the Jags ever matriculated? And do the Jags have any running game whatsoever, much less someone as talented as Arian Foster to help?
The Jags are in year 2 of developing their rookie QB, and they'll be in year 3 when the Texans will likely be starting over in 2016. And that extra time makes a difference... Bortles TD-INT ratio has flipped since his rookie year, from 11:17 to 13:7 after yesterday.
And I'll just leave this here:
Games played
Clowney - 9
Bortles - 20
Point isn't about Bortles specifically. The point is the Texans completely ignored the QB position when taking Clowney in the 2014 draft when they should have taken their favorite QB before the 4th round. Bortles is imperfect. His passing accuracy seems to be his biggest failing. But yeah, I'd rather have Year 2 Bortles than Year 2 Clowney.
barrett
10-19-2015, 01:21 PM
Bortles looked like a turd, but don't underestimate how crappy his tutelage has been in Jacksonville. Could be homerism, but I think O'Brien has better success with Bortles. Who was the last young QB the Jags ever matriculated? And do the Jags have any running game whatsoever, much less someone as talented as Arian Foster to help?
The Jags are in year 2 of developing their rookie QB, and they'll be in year 3 when the Texans will likely be starting over in 2016. And that extra time makes a difference... Bortles TD-INT ratio has flipped since his rookie year, from 11:17 to 13:7 after yesterday.
And I'll just leave this here:
Games played
Clowney - 9
Bortles - 20
Point isn't about Bortles specifically. The point is the Texans completely ignored the QB position when taking Clowney in the 2014 draft when they should have taken their favorite QB before the 4th round. Bortles is imperfect. His passing accuracy seems to be his biggest failing. But yeah, I'd rather have Year 2 Bortles than Year 2 Clowney.
I'd rather have unnamed QB in year 2 than Clowney (Carr, Bridgewater, even Manziel). But Bortles is awful. He had 3 INTs yesterday plus 1 cancelled by a bogus penalty, a few others thrown to defenders and dropped, and about 4 passes he just lofted up into play as some kind of cross between a throw away and an attempt at a pass. That is more than bad tutelage. He was a workout warrior who looked good in shorts and never belonged in the 1st round. O'Brien may have worked miracles here with Fitzpatrick, Mallett, Savage, and Hoyer, but even the great BOB could not make chicken salad out of Bortles.
Bortles looked like a turd, but don't underestimate how crappy his tutelage has been in Jacksonville. Could be homerism, but I think O'Brien has better success with Bortles. Who was the last young QB the Jags ever matriculated? And do the Jags have any running game whatsoever, much less someone as talented as Arian Foster to help?
The Jags are in year 2 of developing their rookie QB, and they'll be in year 3 when the Texans will likely be starting over in 2016. And that extra time makes a difference... Bortles TD-INT ratio has flipped since his rookie year, from 11:17 to 13:7 after yesterday.
And I'll just leave this here:
Games played
Clowney - 9
Bortles - 20
Point isn't about Bortles specifically. The point is the Texans completely ignored the QB position when taking Clowney in the 2014 draft when they should have taken their favorite QB before the 4th round. Bortles is imperfect. His passing accuracy seems to be his biggest failing. But yeah, I'd rather have Year 2 Bortles than Year 2 Clowney.
Understand your point of view, but don't agree with it. I don't think you pick a top end QB just because. Clowney was (allegedly) a once in a blue moon prospect. He has shown some flashes of his physical ability when he's played. He's had some pretty crappy luck, none of which could have been known at draft time. He's basically a rookie. If he can ever stay healthy, an that's obviously a big IF, he has the potential to be a stud.
Don't get me wrong, it sucks not having a franchise QB. This is a QB driven league, and until we fall into one, its going to be a scramble. But so far, the only potential miss I've seen from OB's QB crop from the last couple of drafts might be Carr, and that's the best of whats available. The rest look mediocre, guys that will hang in the league for a couple of years and eventually get a coach fired.
Keith
10-19-2015, 03:57 PM
FWIW, I keep using Bortles in these posts since he was the first QB taken when Clowney was picked, and the Texans were rumored to have interest in Bortles in a trade down scenario that never materialized. Personally, I was in favor of Bridgewater in the first round of all the QBs available.
I don't think you pick a top end QB just because.The David Carr vs. Julius Peppers and the Vince Young vs. Mario Williams debates definitely support that. In both of those scenarios the DE was better than the top QB taken, and the selections of Carr and Young arguably set both franchises back years.
But 2014 is different from 2002 and 2006, and even if you didn't like the first QB selected, the reality is this:
This is a QB driven league
Kinda like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, at the base of the NFL version of this pyramid is a franchise QB. Sucks you need a QB to win in this league, but with all of the rule changes to promote offense, this is more true now than it even was in 2002 and 2006.
The rest look mediocre, guys that will hang in the league for a couple of years and eventually get a coach fired.Mallett and Hoyer are doing a fine job helping O'Brien inch closer to being fired, especially if the solution in 2016 is still to use the draft to find the QB needed to be successful.
Mallett and Hoyer are doing a fine job helping O'Brien inch closer to being fired, especially if the solution in 2016 is still to use the draft to find the QB needed to be successful.
Whether or not he did it consciously, O'Brien has added a couple of years to his coaching window in Houston by not reaching for a QB the last 2 drafts. He's plea to ownership "I haven't found my QB yet." Now, assuming he picks one up in the '16 draft, he's on the clock. He's got another 2-3 years to either win, or find the hot seat. We all know that our owner is a painfully patient man, so there is no reason to assume that won't be how it will play out.
Capers - Clock started ticking from day 1 after they drafted Carr. Carr cratered, Capers toast.
Kubiak - Clock started ticking after they traded for Schaub. Schaub cratered, Kubiak.
OB - TBD.
Once they "commit" to a QB, time starts running. Why would they not delay as much as they can?
Keith
10-19-2015, 04:37 PM
O'Brien has added a couple of years to his coaching window in Houston by not reaching for a QB the last 2 drafts. Speculation. Ever patient, McNair's history suggests he gives his head coaches at least four seasons. So O'Brien only has 2 years from whatever point he picks a QB then? Huh?
He's plea to ownership "I haven't found my QB yet."O'Brien has in fact said the opposite. Remember his rant in training camp?
Now, assuming he picks one up in the '16 draft, he's on the clock. He's got another 2-3 years to either win, or find the hot seat. He's probably had this same 4-5 year window since he hired. Problem now is his rookie QB better produce by year 2 (i.e. 2017!!) rather than be entering 2016 with a rookie of his choosing going into his third year.
O'Brien has a better chance resetting his hot seat clock with a new GM, thereby placing the blame on the talent selection. It'd be a good play since he took the crap inherited from Kubiak to go 9-7 with four different QBs.
Speculation. Ever patient, McNair's history suggests he gives his head coaches at least four seasons. So O'Brien only has 2 years from whatever point he picks a QB then? Huh?
O'Brien has in fact said the opposite. Remember his rant in training camp?
He's probably had this same 4-5 year window since he hired. Problem now is his rookie QB better produce by year 2 (i.e. 2017!!) rather than be entering 2016 with a rookie of his choosing going into his third year.
O'Brien has a better chance resetting his hot seat clock with a new GM, thereby placing the blame on the talent selection. It'd be a good play since he took the crap inherited from Kubiak to go 9-7 with four different QBs.
I'm not crafty enough to do your quotes like that. That's nifty.
I said that if he doesn't win, his seat will start getting hot 2 years after QB hitch. That's my opinion.
I don't put alot of stock into anything he says to the media. What's he supposed so say? "I'm not a real big fan of either of these guys, but its the best of the scrap heap so we'll see what happens."
Don't see a new GM being an issue, in either direction. If Smith gets canned, O'Brien is just as likely to get more power than we are to get a decent GM.
I'm not crafty enough to do your quotes like that. That's nifty.....
That's just "quote tags".
Use "quote" and "/quote" - with both surrounded by brackets. Use "(/quote)" to end a quote and start your text. Use "(quote)" to start the other person's text again and "(/quote)" to end it. But use brackets instead of the parenthesis... And then hit the "edit" button if you mess it up....;)
Hope that makes sense.
barrett
10-19-2015, 09:31 PM
Once they "commit" to a QB, time starts running. Why would they not delay as much as they can?
Because they wanted to win football games?
I think the way O'Brien played it is not a terrible way to stay employed in the short/medium term, but he probably didn't need to worry about that with McNair anyways. Going through two full offseasons without addressing the QB position is about as smart as running the swinging gate on a fake punt and then snapping the ball when you fail to get the alignment you need.
Forget Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater vs Clowney. Maybe our guys loved the hype on Clowney. But what about Carr vs Su'a Filo? These idiots could have taken a chance on a competent QB and a price that does not lock you into the guy for years, and instead they took a guard. Even if the QB sucks and the guard can play that's stupid. When you don't have a QB you buy as many lottery tickets as you can.
Instead under O'Brien we have looked at the unquestioned most important position on the field for two years, and invested the following, a comp 4th. That is either incompetence through arrogance or incompetence through stupidity.
chuck
10-19-2015, 10:06 PM
Ah thank we hayav three outSTANding quatabacks awn the rostah.
Forget Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater vs Clowney. Maybe our guys loved the hype on Clowney. But what about Carr vs Su'a Filo? These idiots could have taken a chance on a competent QB and a price that does not lock you into the guy for years, and instead they took a guard. Even if the QB sucks and the guard can play that's stupid. When you don't have a QB you buy as many lottery tickets as you can.
Now this is definitely a head scratcher. Only thing I can think of is that it was political based on the history with David, which is the stupidest thing to do.
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