View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Falcons Game Thread, 10/4/2015
Oline getting back to full strength is a good thing.
Drew Dougherty @DoughertyDrew 1m1 minute ago
"I'll be out there."- LT Duane Brown (hand) on if he'll play at Atlanta.
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 4m4 minutes ago
Brandon Brooks: "I'll be out there (against the Falcons)." #Texans
Wonder if Arian will be back. Would sure be nice to have our full complement of weapons against these guys.
The 1-2 Texans travel to Atlanta this Sunday for an early game with the 3-0 Falcons. The Texans got their first win last week defeating the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 19-9.
The Falcons won on the road last week beating the Dallas Cowboys 39-28.
TV = CBS (channel 11 local), noon CST, Sunday
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2015&wk=4) = Kevin Harlan, Rich Gannon
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Falcons by 6.5 to 7
Texans vs. Falcons will be viewed (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2015&wk=4) in all of Texas and most of the South minus Florida.
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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:
FOX (early) = NY Giants @ Buffalo -- Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston
FOX (late) = Green Bay @ San Francisco -- Joe Buck, Troy Aikman
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Prime Time:
TNF = Baltimore @ Pittsburgh, NFLN/CBS
SNF = Dallas @ New Orleans, NBC
MNF = Detroit @ Seattle, ESPN
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Bye weeks start this week with New England and Tennessee having the week off.
All sorts of moves going on...... Heard Kourtnei Brown is back ....
Bullough has been put on the 53.
Carlos Thompson and Mike Mohamed have been put on IR....
The Houston Texans Have Signed Brian Peters (http://www.scout.com/nfl/texans/story/1593487-texans-sign-linebacker-brian-peters)
The Houston Texans have signed free agent linebacker Brian Peters to the 53-man roster.
The Houston Texans have signed free agent Brian Peters to the 53-man roster. Peters went to Northwestern and spent time in Iowa Barnstormers and the Saskatchewan Roughriders for three years before landing with the Minnesota Vikings.
Peters spent time with the Vikings during training camp and appeared in four games racking up 8 tackles, two pass deflections and two interceptions.
There will be corresponding moves to add Peters.
Sounds like they're trying to do something about the STs...
Forgot to mention: for you early risers, there's a Sunday morning game this week @ 8:30 am CST from London - NY Jets vs. Miami on CBS.
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 15s16 seconds ago
Bill O'Brien: Lonnie Ballentine, Akeem Dent and Jonathan Grimes won't play
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 17s17 seconds ago
OB said Duane Brown & Arian Foster will be game time decisions.
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 2m2 minutes ago Dallas, TX
Arian Foster on potential of playing Sunday: "Progression is well. It feels great. I feel I've got a chance. It depends on how I feel."
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 1m1 minute ago
Probable for Texans: Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton, Ryan Mallett, Jadeveon Clowney, Johnathan Joseph, Eddie Pleasant, Xavier Su'a-Filo
nunusguy
10-02-2015, 05:49 PM
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL 1m1 minute ago
Probable for Texans: Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton, Ryan Mallett, Jadeveon Clowney, Johnathan Joseph, Eddie Pleasant, Xavier Su'a-Filo
The X-man is expected to suit up and be available ? That's good news. Wonder if he starts or the new guy at LG they just picked and who played vs TB plays instead ?
The X-man is expected to suit up and be available ? That's good news. Wonder if he starts or the new guy at LG they just picked and who played vs TB plays instead ?
Yep. First game this year that we'll be at full strength on the OL. Plus, we might have Foster back, at least in some capacity. Hopefully all of that equals a competitive output.
painekiller
10-02-2015, 09:38 PM
The X-man is expected to suit up and be available ? That's good news. Wonder if he starts or the new guy at LG they just picked and who played vs TB plays instead ?
the new guy looked far better than X-man has ever looked. I would go with him and use Xman for depth
Seeing reports that Foster is going to give it a go. Hopefully this helps.
Texan inactives: (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-inactives-for-Week-4-at-Atlanta/1c5a1aea-ae26-41c3-a0d5-88a155766f71)
Arian Foster, Duane Brown, and Brandon Brooks will return to the Texans starting lineup Sunday. Foster and Brown were considered gametime decisions but will play, according to the official inactives list released 90 minutes prior to kickoff.
The following Texans players will be inactive for Week 4 against Atlanta.
RB Jonathan Grimes
WR Chandler Worthy
ILB Akeem Dent
OLB Kourtnei Brown
S Lonnie Ballentine
C Greg Mancz
WR Jaelen Strong
Texans win the toss and defer. Falcons to receive the opening kickoff.
Falcons bring the kickoff back to their 29. Falcon's ball.
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Pass to Freeman gets 2.
Ryan's pass is tipped by Clowney, inc. Brings up 3rd and 8.
3rd down pass is off the mark, inc. Falcons have to punt.
Shorts brings the punt back to the Texan 30. Texan's ball.
Pass to Foster gets 15.
Foster for 2.
Foster for 3. Brings up 3rd and 5. Ball at midfield.
Pass to Hop pops up in the air and is INT'ed by the Falcons. Falcons ball at their 46.
Falcon's ball.
Freeman for 3.
Short pass to Jones gets 2 yards. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to White gets 4. Brings up 4th down and the Falcons will go for it.
Freeman gets the 1 yard for the 1st.
Freeman for 4.
Pass goes awry, inc. Brings up 3rd and 6.
Ryan pressured but hits Freeman and goes all the way to the Texan 16, 1st down.
Freeman gets loose for the TD.
Falcons 7, Texans 0
8:32 left in the 1st qtr.
Mumphrey brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan's 20.
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Texan's ball.
Blue for 2.
Blue for 9 and the 1st down.
Blue gets caught for -1.
Pass to Shorts too low, inc. Brings up 3rd and 11.
Pass to Polk only gets 5. Texans will have to punt.
Falcons fair catch the punt at their 28 yard line.
Falcon's ball at their 28.
5:58 left in the 1st qtr.
Freeman sweeps right and loses a couple. 2nd and 12 coming up.
Pass is batted in the air, inc but hand-to-the-face on Clowney = 5 yards and an auto 1st down. Ball at the Falcon 32.
Freeman gets squashed by Wilfork, fumbles but the Falcons recover, however, holding on the Falcons makes it 1st and 20.
Pass to Jones gets 10. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Ryan trips and Cushing fall on him for the sack, -5. Brings up 3rd and 15.
Jeez, illegal contact on KJ2 gives the Falcons a 1st down at their 33.
Pass to White gets 14, flag down.....PI on White, -10. Makes it 1st and 20.
Screen to Freeman gets 9. 2nd and 11 coming up.
Pass to Jones off the mark, inc. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Pass to Hankerson gets about 14 and the 1st down. Ball at the Falcon 48.
Pass to Jones gets 19.
Ryan pressured, gets it out to Freeman for about 2 yards.
Pass to Williams gets 9 and the 1st down.
End of the 1st qtr.
Falcon's ball at the Texan 23.
Flags presnap, false start Falcons, -5. 1st and 15 coming up.
Ryan is sacked by Cushing, but illegal hands to the face on Eddie Unpleasant makes it 1st and 10 at the Texan 23.
Freeman runs it in from 23 yards, TD.
Falcons 14, Texans 0
14:39 left in the half.
chuck
10-04-2015, 12:48 PM
You've got Mercilus trying to cover a running back, Bouye on Julio Jones, the DEs are just running around on the edges not affecting anything... I just don't understand anything that Crennell is doing here. I don't understand how a defense that has had so much attention paid to it can suck so hard.
This is a terrible organization, terrible owner, clueless GM, no quarterback, everyone knows that. But how can you add three first round picks to last year's defense yet be worse? I don't understand.
Big Texas
10-04-2015, 12:50 PM
You've got Mercilus trying to cover a running back, Bouye on Julio Jones, the DEs are just running around on the edges not affecting anything... I just don't understand anything that Crennell is doing here. I don't understand how a defense that has had so much attention paid to it can suck so hard.
This is a terrible organization, terrible owner, clueless GM, no quarterback, everyone knows that. But how can you add three first round picks to last year's defense yet be worse? I don't understand.
The talent is there...they are just being out schemed...
Mumphrey brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan 21.
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Texan's ball at their 21.
14:32 left in the half.
Pass to Hop off the mark, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster for no gain.
Pass to Graham off the mark, inc. Texans will have to punt.
Falcons bring the punt back to their 34 yard line.
Falcon's ball at their 34.
Pass over the middle goes inc.
Ryan's pass is tipped by Watt, inc. Brings up 3rd and 10.
Watt with the sack! Falcons have to punt.
Texans fair catch but a flag is down.....illegal formation on the Falcons adds 5 yards. Ball at the Texan 31.
Texan's ball at their 31.
Deep pass to Hop is broken up, inc.
Oh
My
God.
Foster fumbles and it's scooped up by the Falcons for a TD.
Falcons 21, Texans 0
12:24 left in the half.
Not an ideal start.
Astros on at 2......
Nconroe
10-04-2015, 12:59 PM
Watt is gonna have to play offense too.
Big Texas
10-04-2015, 01:07 PM
If that last play wasn't defensive holding ten I don't know what is...
Turnovers: Texans 2, Falcons 0
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The ensuing kickoff goes out of the end zone, touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Pass to Graham off his hands, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up. Washington injured on the play.
Foster sweeps right for 5. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to Mumphrey gets 9 and the 1st down.
Flags presnap, false start Graham, -5. Makes it 1st and 15.
Texans use a timeout to avoid the delay of game penalty.....
Foster for 2. Makes it 2nd and 13 coming up.
Pass to Hop gets 10. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass to Hop broken up, inc. Texans have to punt.
Punt rolls out of bounds at the Falcon 18.
Falcon's ball at their 18.
Freeman for no gain.
Freeman goes right side for 8. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Pass to Jones gets about 5 and the 1st down.
Freeman for about 1.
Pass to White gets 4. Brings up 3rd and 5.
Pass to Hankerson gets 6 and the 1st down.
Ryan's pass off the mark, inc.
Freeman wide open in the flat goes 43 yards to the Texan 12 yard line.
Ward for 7.
Ward gets 2. Brings up 3rd and 1 at the Texan 3 yard line.
Pass to Hankerson goes for the TD.
Falcons 28, Texans 0
3:11 left in the half.
Big Texas
10-04-2015, 01:18 PM
When was the last time we got beat down like this?
The ensuing kickoff goes out of the end zone, touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Pass to Fido is good for nice gainer but he fumbles and the Falcons recover at the Texan 48.
Falcon's ball at the Texan 47.
Freeman for no gain.
Ryan's pass is batted down by Watt, inc.
Pass to Hankerson gets 7. 4th and 3 coming up.
2 minute warning.
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Punt is downed by the Falcons at the Texan 2.
Texan's ball at their 2.
Pass to Mumphrey goes inc.
Pass to Mumphrey gets 13.
Pass to Foster gets 8. 1:12 left in the half.
Mallett goes deep but offsides on the Falcons yields a 1st down a the 28 yard line.
Pass to Hop gets 25.
Pass to Shorts is ruled inc.
Pass to Hop gets a 1st down at the Falcon 37.
Pass sails inc.... 2nd and 10 with 30 seconds left in the half.
Mallett's pass sails over the head of Mumphrey, inc.
Short pass to Foster only gets 2.... Texans will go for the long FG.
Novak's 53-yarder is off the mark, no good.
Falcons takeover on downs.
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Falcons kneel it.
Halftime.
Falcons 28, Texans 0
chuck
10-04-2015, 01:38 PM
In true Texans form they cut a terrible kicker and somehow end up with one who's even worse.
2nd half kickoff is downed in the end zone, touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Foster gets slung down by his face mask, +15.
Pass is off Foster's hands, inc.
Way to go Mumphrey.... catches the deep pass and pops the DB. Big gain. Ball at the Falcon 39.
Foster for 2.
Pass to Hop off the mark/broken up, inc. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Handoff to Foster gets 5. Texans going for it on 4th and 3.
Short pass to Foster behind him, inc. Ball turns over on downs....
Falcon's ball at their 32.
Freeman for 5.
Freeman sweeps left for 2. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Short pass over the middle to Hankerson goes all the way to the Texan 6.
Freeman runs it in for the TD.
Falcons 35, Texans 0
10:50 left in the 3rd qtr.
This be an ass whoopin'....
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Mumphrey brings the ensuing kickoff back to the 19.
Texan's ball at the 19.
Blue for 1.
Deep pass to Hop goes over everyone, inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Ball ricochets off Hop and caught by Polk for 7 yards. Texans to punt.
Falcons bring the punt back to their 30.
Big Texas
10-04-2015, 02:03 PM
Bill OBrien is gonna have to be honest about this shit....
I don't wanna hear that "we've got to be better" bullshit...
Call somebody out...
Most disappointing part of this game to me has been the terrible play of our Oline, with the defensive PLAYCALLING making a strong case...
chuck
10-04-2015, 02:13 PM
I don't think the OL play cracks the top ten of horrible things going on. Offensively the quarterback play is as bad as I have ever seen in the NFL. I have seen guys play more scared and I have seen guys who simply don't have the arm or the brain, but I have never seen someone so consistently inaccurate. He's not inaccurate because he's always being hurried, he's inaccurate because he sucks.
All I know is BOB has had two drafts and so far they are as bad as any of Kubiak's drafts. Or worse. This year both the offense and the defense have regressed. As have special teams.
I am officially off the BOBwagon, which sucks for me because he's not going anywhere.
Falcon's ball at their 30.
Freeman for 2.
Ward goes for 9 and a 1st down.
Ward loses 1 yards but flag on the Falcons (holding?) backs it up 10. 1st and 20 coming up.
Ward for maybe 1.
Short pass to Ward goes for 18. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Flags presnap... False start Falcons, -5. Makes it 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Hankerson gets 15 but a flag is down....Holding on Eddie Unpleasant is declined. Mercilus shaken up on the play.... 1st down Falcons at the Texan 40.
Ward goes up the gut for 14. Roughness on Eddie Unpleasant adds 15. Ball at the Texan 13..
Ward for loss of 1.
Ward sweeps left for 7. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Ward punches it in for the TD.
Falcons 42, Texans 0
2:56 left in the 3rd qtr.
chuck
10-04-2015, 02:21 PM
I have never seen a backup quarterback come into a blowout to spell the star and play for more than a quarter. This is historically bad for an NFL team.
Big Texas
10-04-2015, 02:27 PM
I don't think the OL play cracks the top ten of horrible things going on. Offensively the quarterback play is as bad as I have ever seen in the NFL. I have seen guys play more scared and I have seen guys who simply don't have the arm or the brain, but I have never seen someone so consistently inaccurate. He's not inaccurate because he's always being hurried, he's inaccurate because he sucks.
All I know is BOB has had two drafts and so far they are as bad as any of Kubiak's drafts. Or worse. This year both the offense and the defense have regressed. As have special teams.
I am officially off the BOBwagon, which sucks for me because he's not going anywhere.
I completely agree... Mallet would be my number three. Consider though that we lead the league in DROPPED passes...***just as I say that Hoyer's first pass is dropped*** On top of that no one is getting open including HOPKINS. He throws the ball high and its bouncing off their hands into the air for an interception. So he throws low and starts bouncing the ball off the ground. You would think they would be used to his velocity by now.
This is not to diminish his inaccurate passes. Yes, he has some definite accuracy issues...
Overall, the blame goes everywhere. OLINE just stands out to me...they were getting blown up almost every play and opening NO holes all game.
The ensuing kickoff is downed in the end zone, touchback.
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Texan's ball at their 20.
Pass over the middle is dropped by Shorts, inc.
Pass to Hop good for 16.
Pass to Fido gets 4.
Flat pass to Shorts gets 10. Ball at midfield.
Pass to Polk gets 11.
Pass to Mumphrey gets 8.
Polk rushes for 11. Ball at the Falcon 14.
End of the 3rd qtr.
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1st and 10 Texans at the Falcon 14.
Pass to Hop in the end zone is inc.
Polk gets 9, nice run. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Pass to Fido in the end zone good for the TD.
Falcons 42, Texans 7
14:22 left in the game.
Falcons down the ensuing kickoff in the endzone, touchback.
Falcon's ball at their 20.
Renfree in at QB.
Ward loses 3.
Ward gains 2. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Ward gets 2. Falcons have to punt with 12:09 left in the game.
Shorts fields the punt and runs west for no gain. Ball at Texan 25.
sinnister
10-04-2015, 02:37 PM
This is terrible. I don't even know where to begin. I can't wait for John Harris to put a "good spin" on this one.
Texan's ball at their 25.
Hoyer's pass goes out of bounds, inc.
Hoyer's pass off the hands of Polk, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Shorts gets 13 and the 1st down.
Deep pass to Shorts sails, inc.
Deep pass to Hop goes out of bounds, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
My gosh, screen works for the 1st down.
Blue for 6. About 10:30 left in the game.
Deep pass to Shorts goes for 42 - ball at the Falcon 1 yard line.
Blue stopped short of the goal....very close but no cigar. 2nd and goal coming up.
Polk punches it in for the TD.
Falcons 42, Texans 14
9:09 left in the game.
Falcons fair catch the ensuing poochy kickoff.
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Falcon's ball at their 24.
Ward loses 1.
Ward gains 1. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Ward gets 12 on the delay.
Ward for 3.
Ward for 3 more. Makes it 3rd and 4 coming up.
Ward for no gain. Falcons will have to punt with about 5 minutes left in the game.
Shorts fields the punt and runs out of bounds about the Texan 26.
Holding on the Falcons adds 10 yards to the previous punt.
Texan's ball at their 36.
Pass to Hop gets 18. Ball at the Falcon 46.
Pass to Hop goes to the Falcon 20.
Pass to Hop in the end zone is inc....
Hoyer's pass goes inc in the end zone.... 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Hop gets 12 at the 8 yard line. 1st and goal.
Pass to Shorts good for the TD.
Falcons 42, Texans 21
3:01 left in the game.
The ensuing kickoff goes out of the end zone, touchback.
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Falcon's ball at their 20.
Flags presnap, false start Falcons, -5. 1st and 15 coming up.
Ward goes left for 5.
Renfree boots for a loss of 4. (Texans out of timeouts)
Ward for a couple. Falcons will have to punt.
2 minute warning.
Shorts returns the punt to about the Texan 48.
Texan's ball at their 49.
Deep pass to Hop is broken up, inc.
Pass to Graham gets 6. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Pass to Hop goes to the Falcon 20 yard line.
Pass into the end zone is inc. 2nd and 10 coming up with 43 seconds left in the game.
Pass over the middle goes inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Hop goes for 11. 1st and goal at the 9.
Pass into the endzone broken up, inc.
Hoyer gets sacked. Loss of 8. 3rd and goal coming up.
Pass to Hop is a TD but will likely get overturned because Hop went out of bounds and came back in....
Ruling is an incomplete pass. 4th and goal with 1 second left in the game.
Shorts takes the pass and fumbles - Falcons pick up the ball and score a TD.
Extra point is kneeled (no good).
Final score:
Falcons 48, Texans 21
nunusguy
10-04-2015, 03:47 PM
I didn't think we'd have another game as bad as the Chiefs game this year, but this was worse, far worse. Team wasn't ready, had no focus, coachs obviously wern't ready and didn't adequately prepare the team. What a stinker.
Hey all is not lost, we had an X-man sighting out there in the 4th quarter. Have no idea what to expect Thursday night ? I guess Hoyer will be starting ?
barrett
10-04-2015, 03:51 PM
We won't beat the Colts with Hasselback.
This team is an embarrassment. O'Brien is an embarrassment for thinking he could enter a season with these QBs.
Kyle Shanahan took our lunch money all day. It makes me think the problem has never been our dumb coaches, especially since everyone has success when they get away from our broken franchise (Capers, Fangio, Shanahan, Kubiak).
nunusguy
10-04-2015, 04:01 PM
So Barrett, your conclusion is that the whole franchise is simply snakebit and its hopeless to think they could ever be a success ?
chuck
10-04-2015, 04:02 PM
Ben Tate, Earl Mitchell, Darryl Sharpton, Garrett Graham, Brooks Reed, Brandon Harris, Rashad Carmichael, DeVier Posey , Brandon Brooks, Ben Jones, Keshawn Martin, Jared Crick, D.J. Swearinger, Brennan Williams, Sam Montgomery, Trevardo Williams, Xavier Su'a-Filo, C. J. Fiedorowicz, Louis Nix III, Tom Savage, Benardrick McKinney, Jaelen Strong.
That, friends, is a list of the Texans' second through fourth round draft picks since 2010. If you are looking for a place to start in trying to understand why the Texans are as bad as they are this is as good a place as any.
chuck
10-04-2015, 04:04 PM
Today reminded me of some of the Capers era games where it seemed like the other team was playing a totally different sport.
barrett
10-04-2015, 04:56 PM
So Barrett, your conclusion is that the whole franchise is simply snakebit and its hopeless to think they could ever be a success ?
I don't think snake bit has anything to do with it. Snake bit implies bad luck. Like Chuck's list shows, this is about incompetence not bad luck. I think it starts from the top down. McNair is awful. The comments on Foster this year were maybe the worst owner comments I've ever seen. His Brady/Watt cell phone comments were almost as stupid. He is a rube who likes being in the owner's club. I don't think he really cares too much what happens on the field as long as he isn't embarrassed (today was a bad day for him). He has been beyond worthless at hiring people and at (not) firing people. McNair's two GM hires are Smith and Casserly.
Rick Smith is the common denominator in Chuck's list and has been almost as bad in free agency and extensions. He's put a pair of 1st round picks and tons of FA money in our secondary and they are gasoline on a fire. We have drafted half a dozen edge rushers in the first 2 rounds and let the only good ones walk (Barwin and Mario) while whiffing on the rest (Reed, Mercilous, Clowney).
And Bill O'Brien actually had the thought, "Yeah, it's a good idea to enter the year with Mallett and Hoyer", and Smith and McNair signed off on it.
sinnister
10-04-2015, 06:03 PM
I just reviewed all the drafts the Texans have had since inception. It's time for a new GM. No other way to say it.
nunusguy
10-04-2015, 07:46 PM
I don't think snake bit has anything to do with it. Snake bit implies bad luck. Like Chuck's list shows, this is about incompetence not bad luck. I think it starts from the top down. McNair is awful. The comments on Foster this year were maybe the worst owner comments I've ever seen. His Brady/Watt cell phone comments were almost as stupid. He is a rube who likes being in the owner's club. I don't think he really cares too much what happens on the field as long as he isn't embarrassed (today was a bad day for him). He has been beyond worthless at hiring people and at (not) firing people. McNair's two GM hires are Smith and Casserly.
Rick Smith is the common denominator in Chuck's list and has been almost as bad in free agency and extensions. He's put a pair of 1st round picks and tons of FA money in our secondary and they are gasoline on a fire. We have drafted half a dozen edge rushers in the first 2 rounds and let the only good ones walk (Barwin and Mario) while whiffing on the rest (Reed, Mercilous, Clowney).
And Bill O'Brien actually had the thought, "Yeah, it's a good idea to enter the year with Mallett and Hoyer", and Smith and McNair signed off on it.
Snakbit does imply unlucky but also doomed for failure. Almost like a bookyman factor at work. But how are we that much different than say Indy, except they had the incredibly good fortune not once but twice to have both Pyeton Manning and Andy Luck in the Drafts the 2 years they held the first overall. pick. And I don't think McNare is a rube, because he's a self-made billionaire. Maybe he's not polhished but he's educated and successful in the business world. If you've read the mans biography, you know he cut a deal with the slickers and their lawyers at Enron to make his first bill when he sold them his cogfneration energy business. Now he may know little about football, I don't argue that but that it makes him an equal to most of the NFL owners.
Now you may have maybe put your finger on something when you mentioned his decision to retain Smith this long.
So where are we now moving forward ? Do you think he should rid himself of both Smith and O'Brien or just replace his GM ?
The next move will be to jettison Smith and give more power to OB. Don't agree that it's the right move, but I can see that happening.
chuck
10-04-2015, 09:12 PM
I think they should shitcan Smith and bring in a real GM to manage the draft, free agency, the cap, etc. If they give BOB Belichick type power (terrible idea and completely undeserved) they should also give him an incredibly short leash.
But none of this matters because Smith is going nowhere. When he canned Kubiak he told everyone that he thought Smith had been doing an OUTSTANDING job. You can't argue with that sort of delusion.
barrett
10-04-2015, 09:44 PM
Snakbit does imply unlucky but also doomed for failure. Almost like a bookyman factor at work. But how are we that much different than say Indy, except they had the incredibly good fortune not once but twice to have both Pyeton Manning and Andy Luck in the Drafts the 2 years they held the first overall. pick. And I don't think McNare is a rube, because he's a self-made billionaire. Maybe he's not polhished but he's educated and successful in the business world. If you've read the mans biography, you know he cut a deal with the slickers and their lawyers at Enron to make his first bill when he sold them his cogfneration energy business. Now he may know little about football, I don't argue that but that it makes him an equal to most of the NFL owners.
Now you may have maybe put your finger on something when you mentioned his decision to retain Smith this long.
So where are we now moving forward ? Do you think he should rid himself of both Smith and O'Brien or just replace his GM ?
Rube was the wrong word. Bad word choice on my part. McNair is definitely 1000Xs the business mind I'll ever be.
Outdated might be a better word choice. To come out and bash Arian Foster after an injury was the worst owner move I can think of. It shows how out of touch he is. And while I don't think he is racist, I think Foster being outspoken AND young AND a vegan AND black played into how he was treated by McNair. The generational divide is just so big between McNair and the players. It is just as big for many owners, but they keep their mouths shut in public.
Saying you're not surprised is a truly bizarre thing to do after your star offensive player gets hurt. A statement like that can have no possible positive effect. Who wants to play for an owner like that.
Then the unsolicited and public attack on Brady. Even loudmouthed Irsay only took shots from the shadows. Why would you ever put a target on your franchise like that? The Patriots will probably put half a hundred on us and we'll be lucky if they don't look for excuses to cut block Watt all game. The last thing JJ needs is someone putting more attention on him.
And as for your question about what separates him from the Colts, I agree it is little more than luck/Luck. But it doesn't make me feel better to think our franchise is run by an unlucky Jim Irsay.
nunusguy
10-05-2015, 07:38 AM
Rube was the wrong word. Bad word choice on my part. McNair is definitely 1000Xs the business mind I'll ever be.
Outdated might be a better word choice. To come out and bash Arian Foster after an injury was the worst owner move I can think of. It shows how out of touch he is. And while I don't think he is racist, I think Foster being outspoken AND young AND a vegan AND black played into how he was treated by McNair. The generational divide is just so big between McNair and the players. It is just as big for many owners, but they keep their mouths shut in public.
Saying you're not surprised is a truly bizarre thing to do after your star offensive player gets hurt. A statement like that can have no possible positive effect. Who wants to play for an owner like that.
Then the unsolicited and public attack on Brady. Even loudmouthed Irsay only took shots from the shadows. Why would you ever put a target on your franchise like that? The Patriots will probably put half a hundred on us and we'll be lucky if they don't look for excuses to cut block Watt all game. The last thing JJ needs is someone putting more attention on him.
And as for your question about what separates him from the Colts, I agree it is little more than luck/Luck. But it doesn't make me feel better to think our franchise is run by an unlucky Jim Irsay.
Well said. And I really agree with you about McNairs comments on Brady. That was really stupid and uncalled for.
Anyway we are just one game out of first place in our division. Honestly I don't have any idea what's gonna happen Thursday night when the Colts are in town. Hey hope springs eternal as they say. I'm actually looking forward to the game because I don't know who will show up ? I guess OBrien will start Hoyer, but then he may pull him before the game is half over ? I really want to like O'Brien and I do like him, but he's looking shaky with some of these snap decisions.
barrett
10-05-2015, 08:04 AM
Well said. And I really agree with you about McNairs comments on Brady. That was really stupid and uncalled for.
Anyway we are just one game out of first place in our division. Honestly I don't have any idea what's gonna happen Thursday night when the Colts are in town. Hey hope springs eternal as they say. I'm actually looking forward to the game because I don't know who will show up ? I guess OBrien will start Hoyer, but then he may pull him before the game is half over ? I really want to like O'Brien and I do like him, but he's looking shaky with some of these snap decisions.
I also think very highly of O'Brien. That is being tested right now. We've been unprepared twice this year in ways that make me doubt a little his gameday coaching chops after a year that made me a huge believer. And his total lack of a QB plan makes me think he's no better than Smith as a personnel guy. Smith has actually been worse partnering with O'Brien in the draft than he was with Kubiak.
So I still think O'Brien is a good/possibly great NFL coach. He still hasn't made a move that kills his future because he has avoided making any moves at QB. But I feel like he should have bottomed us out last year rather than this year. People would have accepted getting rid of the vets, clearing the cap, and winning 4 games last year. I think doing it this year is going backwards.
popanot
10-05-2015, 09:41 AM
The Direct TV McNair will jettison Smith, never give OB/HC full control, and hire the most qualified and available personnel man from either Seattle or Green Bay. If that's not an option, DTV McNair will try to lure Howie Roseman from Philadelphia. But unfortunately, I'm convinced we have Cable McNair and will be stuck with Smith for a long time or will make the wrong move - again.
Foo'ball Fool
10-05-2015, 09:58 AM
Popanot, that's kinda funny.
My 2 cents here: there's a saying: a fish stinks from the head down. Rick Smith is the head.
One other thing. Arky, others have said it, but thanks for doing the play-by-play here each week. I know it had to be tough to stick with it yesterday. I couldn't watch anymore when it became 35-0.
popanot
10-05-2015, 10:08 AM
Other than the colossally inept QB play, the overall team speed is severely lacking and is extremely noticeable on the field. That's goes for almost every position. And last year's record was a bit misleading, IMO. The 9 wins last year were to teams with a combined record of 43-101. The only teams they beat either had a rookie QB, a crappy QB (one of which is likely now our starter), or Joe Flacco (who arguably could be lumped into the crappy QB category).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Houston_Texans_season
I know Drew Brees is old and looks to have lost it some, but if I'm the Texans, I'm hoping like hell the Saints purge their cap and I'm making a run at him along with drafting a QB high. You have got to fire that draft bullet sooner or later regardless of risk.
chuck
10-05-2015, 11:21 AM
Cable McNair. Awesome.
I was wondering last night which Texans player I would trade for Brees straight up right now. There aren't many that would not be on that list. Which is sad because Brees is 50 years old and throws like Jeff Bagwell.
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O'Brien: "Brian (Hoyer) did a good job, but being on a short week, it's important to stay with Ryan right now."
Keith
10-05-2015, 01:58 PM
Play at safety has been terrible. I would have expected better from Rahim Moore, and the team basically has a street FA giving them quality snaps. Missing Mike Mohammed has been a tragedy.
Also, and I haven't rewatched the video and hopefully never will, but it seemed to me Vince Wilfork was pulled after being ineffective against the zone scheme blocking. This after mostly three games of providing less than the expected impact we thought he'd have before the season. Ahman Green, Ed Reed ...now Vince Wilfork? Yeesh, please no.
As for Mallett vs. Hoyer Thursday, meh. Just as Mallett was fool's gold racking up yards in Week 1 garbage time, Hoyer was doing the same in Week 4 garbage time yesterday. O'Brien just has to go with his gut on this since it'll be his job on the line anyway. If he wants Mallett out there to save the season, then so be it.
Clearly, this team is going nowhere without a QB, and it seems obvious to all that the 2016 starter is not on this roster already, very disappointing.
barrett
10-05-2015, 02:24 PM
Cable McNair. Awesome.
I was wondering last night which Texans player I would trade for Brees straight up right now. There aren't many that would not be on that list. Which is sad because Brees is 50 years old and throws like Jeff Bagwell.
He all of a sudden has a weaker arm than Peyton Mannning. I can't believe he agreed to play yesterday. Their season is already lost and can't be salvaged. If I was Brees I would have been resting up for my 2016 employer.
And I would probably trade 52 of our 53 man roster for old and mostly used up Drew Brees.
chuck
10-05-2015, 02:35 PM
And I would probably trade 52 of our 53 man roster for old and mostly used up Drew Brees.
That's pretty much exactly where I ended up.
Safeties, BAD! ILBs, invisible. I was thinking during the game yesterday that it would be better if RAC simply invented a new defense that does not employ ILBs. I am dead serious. They do nothing, they add nothing, they contribute nothing. Get them off the field. What do you want to replace them? Doesn't matter. DL, OLB, CB, S, hell, put a TE or two out there and see if you can confuse someone. They don't do anything on offense anyway.
Clearly, this team is going nowhere without a QB, and it seems obvious to all that the 2016 starter is not on this roster already, very disappointing.
This squad has way more problems than just QB. Not saying that isn't a big issue, but its certainly not the only one.
barrett
10-05-2015, 02:51 PM
I actually though Cushing made more individual plays than he has since before the injury. He may have been a part of blowing lots of plays too, but at least he showed he is capable of making a few still.
I also think Hopkins was mugged all game. We seriously must draw the fewest PI/holding calls in the NFL, while surrendering the most. Our guys just don't draw flags. I also got a laugh out of the drive where we got a pair of questionable hands to face calls against us while Julio Jones reached out 5 feet at the top of the route to throw a CB off him by the face. I didn't have it in me to complain yesterday because we were so bad it didn't matter, but it does get old being constantly kicked around by the officials.
The tackling effort on the last rushing TD was maybe the worst moment in Texans history.
And JJ Watt needs to suspend all pre-packaged celebrations. They are bad enough from players on winning teams currently winning the game. But saluting after a TFL in a game you give up 49 points is weak. He makes too many plays to still celebrate every one like a ST who made a punt coverage tackle.
popanot
10-05-2015, 03:05 PM
If we lose this week to the Colts I'm ready to throw in the towel and go full blown suck-mode for the top pick. Which as of right now, looks to be Goff if we go QB (but alas, we'd probably go DE). Just wish I could come up with a good Goff mantra 'ala Suck for Luck... Only thing I can think of at the moment is kinda dirty.
HPF Bob
10-05-2015, 08:41 PM
They could be worse. They could be the Texas Longhorns.
Seriously, both looked so bad as to be comical. The worst guy on the field yesterday was Arian Foster. Couldn't run. Couldn't catch. Couldn't hold onto the ball.
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