Your 2008 NFL Draft LIVE Thread! [Day Two]

[Keith]

Let's keep it going with Day Two discussion in this thread.

I gotta believe that running back and cornerback are going to get heavy consideration with the next couple picks. I've kinda had my eye on Kevin Smith.

[Roy P]

I'm looking at Carl Nicks (not going to happen after reaching for Duane Brown), Cliff Avril (doubtful with Shaun Thompson), Dre Moore, Andre Caldwell, Marcus Howard (see Avril), Jeremy Thompson, Jeremy Zuttah (see Nicks), Charles Godfrey, Quentin Demps, Antwaun Molden, and Tashard Choice.

I'd probably take Dre Moore (I've been saying that all along) but wouldn't mind Jeremy Thompson. However, the Texans are probably going to take Godfrey or Molden. That wouldn't be too bad, in my opinion.

[OldManBernie]

Day 2 starts off with a bang with 2 3rd round picks. I like Kevin Smith's running style and durability. I also kind of like Tashard Choice in the later rounds. Both backs fit the Texans' running style pretty well.

IMO, nobody really stands out from the CB class. It's a bit of a crapshoot between guys like Justin King, Charles Godfrey and Antwaun Molden. They're all good prospects, but who knows how they'll develop.

I think it's a good time to find a good pass rusher to compliment Mario. I like Chris Ellis with either picks in the 3rd round assuming he doesn't have any medical red flags.

Also, if he isn't picked by the time Texans pick, Dan Connor would be a great value pick.

[Roy P]

It's a bit of a crapshoot between guys like Justin King, Charles Godfrey and Antwaun Molden. They're all good prospects, but who knows how they'll develop.

I think it's a good time to find a good pass rusher to compliment Mario. I like Chris Ellis with either picks in the 3rd round assuming he doesn't have any medical red flags.

Also, if he isn't picked by the time Texans pick, Dan Connor would be a great value pick.

That's why I wanted to select a CB in the 1st round. It's a coin flip between Godfrey and Molden in my opinion with a slight edge to Godfrey. However, because there are two prospects, I'd hope to get one with my 2nd pick in the 3rd round @ #89.

Luckily, we have an extra 3rd round pick from the Ravens, so Jeremy Thompson is too tempting to let slide @ #79. If you put Thompson on the DL with TJ, Amobi, and Mario - we might not have to blitz and could play more Zone coverage.

I'm shocked that Connor is still on the board. Somebody is going to be VERY happy when they are able to draft him tomorrow. I'd guess St. Louis, Detroit, Atlanta, New England, Baltimore, Kansas City, or San Francisco is going to get a steal.

[OldManBernie]

That's why I wanted to select a CB in the 1st round. It's a coin flip between Godfrey and Molden in my opinion with a slight edge to Godfrey. However, because there are two prospects, I'd hope to get one with my 2nd pick in the 3rd round @ #89.

Luckily, we have an extra 3rd round pick from the Ravens, so Jeremy Thompson is too tempting to let slide @ #79. If you put Thompson on the DL with TJ, Amobi, and Mario - we might not have to blitz and could play more Zone coverage.

I'm shocked that Connor is still on the board. Somebody is going to be VERY happy when they are able to draft him tomorrow. I'd guess St. Louis, Detroit, Atlanta, New England, Baltimore, Kansas City, or San Francisco is going to get a steal.

It'd be great to have a front 4 that can put consistent pressure on the opposing QB or having another effective blitzer outside of DeMeco. I think that would automatically put us in the top half in passing defense, even with Reeves and Bennett at CB. Thompson strikes me as a situational pass rusher type, does he have every down potential?

[Roy P]

Thompson strikes me as a situational pass rusher type, does he have every down potential?

He is like the two guys that I really like (Cliff Avril and Marcus Howard) who can play OLB on 1st and 2nd down, then put his hand on the ground on 3rd down when we slide Mario or the other DE inside.
I'm talking about Chaun Thompson.

Are you talking about Jeremy? He's an every down DE.

[OldManBernie]

oh... I forgot to add, I would love to take a look at Frank Okam in the 3rd round. I know we have already drafted 2 DTs in the 1st round in the past, but his combination of size and athleticism doesn't come around very often. I think he has the versatility to play both 1 or 2-gap at the DT. Considering our LBs are a bit on the smallish side, it might be a good idea to have that big 2-gap guy that can engage 2 blockers at a time.

[OldManBernie]

He is like the two guys that I really like (Cliff Avril and Marcus Howard) who can play OLB on 1st and 2nd down, then put his hand on the ground on 3rd down when we slide Mario or the other DE inside.

I don't know how good he'd be at run support on 1st and 2nd down. Did he play LB at all in college?

[Roy P]

I don't know how good he'd be at run support on 1st and 2nd down. Did he play LB at all in college?

I think we are getting confused between the OLB we have Chaun Thompson and the DE I want Jeremy Thompson.

[OldManBernie]

I think we are getting confused between the OLB we have Chaun Thompson and the DE I want Jeremy Thompson.

Yeah I got confused... It'd be a real plus if Chaun Thompson can be a good blitzing LB. I see he had 5 sacks in 2005.

How do you think Chris Ellis compares with Jeremy Thompson? I like Chris Ellis's numbers in college, and he looks like he has a good motor.

[Mike]

Let's keep it going with Day Two discussion in this thread.

I gotta believe that running back and cornerback are going to get heavy consideration with the next couple picks. I've kinda had my eye on Kevin Smith.

I think that CB will be one of them also. Sometime tomorrow we will get the RB, not sure if it will be in the third. Not sure if I am over not taking Mendenhall yet, but I'll hold judgement until after the dust settles and see what how the selections turn out.

Owen Daniels, Fred Bennett, Diles.. I'll give this regime slack.

[gunn]

Also, if he isn't picked by the time Texans pick, Dan Connor would be a great value pick.

I like your other possibilities, but put me down as "not a Dan Conner fan". I've never been impressed with the guy.

[Keith]

I gotta believe that running back and cornerback are going to get heavy consideration with the next couple picks. I've kinda had my eye on Kevin Smith.
Crapjackers. Lions traded up to take Smith with the first pick on Day Two. :mad:

[Keith]

Aw hell. And there goes Godfrey to the Panthers.

[popanot]

There goes my RB, Kevin Smith. Can't wait to see a gimp Chris Brown, a gimp Chris Taylor, a gimp grandpa Ahmad Green, a fat snail Dayne (yes, he'll probably end up on the roster knowing how the coaches - for some strange reason - love the guy), and a midget Darius Walker running behind this 'project' OL. Should be another a fun year for Schaub.

Oh well... Maybe the Texans will finally appease the Orangebloods and draft Charles.

[popanot]

There goes Charles to KC. Unbelievable how some teams see the value in having two good, young RBs on the roster while we just fill the position with fodder. Go ahead, give me the Broncos example and I'll tell you the last time they won a Superbowl they had a HOFer at RB. In addition, they're constantly looking for replacements. That should tell you the theory is flawed.

[Roy P]

How do you think Chris Ellis compares with Jeremy Thompson? I like Chris Ellis's numbers in college, and he looks like he has a good motor.

Ellis was originally a player that I would have put into the same catagory as Avril, Howard, and Chaun Thompson - just by looking at his height/weight/speed. Then when I saw him play, he looks lost. He doesn't have the instincts or football IQ that I want. So, he is off my draft board. I'll let somebody else overdraft him.

Jeremy Thompson has a motor, better size to play DE, is strong against the run, plays disciplined, and could develop into a better pass-rusher.

[popanot]

Texans coming up... Whatchathink, Roy???

[popanot]

Antwaun Molden - CB. Seems to be a pretty solid pick based on his measureables.

http://cle.scout.com/2/744348.html

[Warren]

Was at Toledo before transferring to Eastern Kentucky. Great athlete -- 23 reps and sub-4.4 40 at the combine -- long arms, can jump, solid tackler. Raw and may lack instincts..

[Warren]

According to popanot's link, he's more of a press guy than a zone corner. So far they're definitely sticking with guys that fit their systems.

[Roy P]

I'm looking at Carl Nicks (not going to happen after reaching for Duane Brown), Cliff Avril (doubtful with Shaun Thompson), Dre Moore, Andre Caldwell, Marcus Howard (see Avril), Jeremy Thompson, Jeremy Zuttah (see Nicks), Charles Godfrey, Quentin Demps, Antwaun Molden, and Tashard Choice.

I'd probably take Dre Moore (I've been saying that all along) but wouldn't mind Jeremy Thompson. However, the Texans are probably going to take Godfrey or Molden. That wouldn't be too bad, in my opinion.

Well Nicks was still available. I'd have loved a combo of Cason and Nicks with the first 2 picks.

Godfrey was off the board, so Molden was the BPCBA when we picked.

[bullrush]

Here is Mayocks thoughts of Molden

Antwaun Molden, Eastern Kentucky

6-0 3/4, 198

40 time: 4.39

Projected round: 2

Mayock: "If you take the measurables of [Dominique] Rodgers-Cromartie and Molden, they're almost identical. They're both small-school guys from the same conference [Ohio Valley]. Yet Cromartie is considered a top-15 pick and this kid isn't. Why? Cromartie played in the Senior Bowl and Molden didn't. But if you just look at the tapes, you'd say Molden was a better player.''

[Roy P]

I said that a few weeks ago. Molden also needs to be more of a football player and less of a "track guy" in pads.

[Roy P]

I can understand why Carl Nicks is sliding (character), but for the life of me, I can't figure out why Cliff Avril is still on the board.

Or WR Andre Caldwell and DT Dre Moore, for that matter.

[HPF Bob]

We're up.

(tick tick tick)

[bullrush]

Steve Slaton

[popanot]

Here we go...

Steve Slaton! Fogrgot about him... I'm starting to like this draft!

[HPF Bob]

Steve Slaton, RB, ...fast but fragile. This is the guy we got for the trade down.

[HPF Bob]

I think this is a good third-down back. I wouldn't make him a franchise back.:)

[popanot]

I would have preferred any of the RBs that went ahead of Slayton, but the guy is probably an upgrade over Walker and has the potential to turn into a homerun hitter.

[Roy P]

I was thinking we could wait on Tashard Choice or even later to get Thomas Brown or Jalen Parmele. Slaton is a 3rd down - change of pace back.

[Mike]

I think this is a good third-down back. I wouldn't make him a franchise back.:)

Beat me to it, but he IS a homerun threat. Not saying our line blew gaping holes last year, but "Ronnie" had some 15-25 yard runs where he was caught from behind or somone had an angle on him that someone with wheels would have taken it to the house.

[HPF Bob]

I think that's the key here. Slaton has the home run capability that most of the other backs don't and this is something our present roster collectively lacks. You can run a guy like Walker or Brown on the first two downs and turn to a guy like Slaton in the 3rd & 4-6 and see if he can bust a run or take a swing pass and get in space.

Remember all the fantasizing around here two years ago about Reggie Bush? Slaton does the same thing for a third-round price - maybe not as spectacularly as Bush but I think it's pretty obvious that Bush is a third-round talent with first-round hype.

If Slaton stays within himself, I think he'll be a great pick. If the Texans try to turn him into an everyday back, I think he'll be a disapppointment.

[Warren]

We'll see if Slaton runs as effectively inside as Brian Westbrook, a RB of comparable size, which would allow him to be more than a 3rd down/change-of-pace guy.

[gunn]

Slaton reminds me of a player like Clinton Portis when he was coming out of Miami.

[Vinny]

Let's keep it going with Day Two discussion in this thread.

I gotta believe that running back and cornerback are going to get heavy consideration with the next couple picks. I've kinda had my eye on Kevin Smith.all hail the swami...two of three ain't bad.

I think this is a good third-down back. I wouldn't make him a franchise back.:) a Chris Brown type selection with a bit more speed and quickness...good back to have in for screens and passing situations. Gibbs remembers how many big plays his last smallish quick rookie rb, Jerious Norwood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9HH3wywkc) had..

[chuck]

Well, the team gets the LT they wanted, a CB with excellent measurables and then Steve Slaton for free. Throw in a starting QB with the second round pick and this is looking like a pretty good draft from the outset.

[gunn]

Maybe Marcus Howard from Georgia here at #118 for the Texans.

[Roy P]

Dre Moore and Q. Demps are off the board.

I like Marcus Howard, DeMario Pressley, Bryan Kehl, Ben Moffitt, Paul Hubbard, Stanford Kegler, or Wesley Woodyard.

[OldManBernie]

Xavier Adibi, I've forgotten he was still on the board... great value pick!

[gunn]

Xavier Adibi, nice pick. I really like the value in the fourth

[HPF Bob]

Does our tradition of fourth-round steals continue? I think so.

Adibi was rated much higher awhile back but for a guy in the fourth, this is a great pick.

[Vinny]

Reminds some of former Florida State linebacker Michael Boulware, who was drafted and converted to strong safety by the Seahawks. He's improved his overall bulk, but despite good weight-room numbers, he has yet to translate that strength to the football field. http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/xavier-adibi?id=182

[HPF Bob]

Is there some reason our front office has a fetish for Virginia Tech players?

I mean, we seem to focus on ACC guys and a few from the Big East. Do we scout the rest of the country? I'm just asking...

[HPF Bob]

Adibi sounds to me a lot like Ian Gold. Undersized but quick to the ball and good in coverage. Probably doesn't hold up well at the point of attack but a guy who can flow and make plays. With what Demeco does in the middle, I think he fits well in our defensive scheme.

[Vinny]

Adibi sounds to me a lot like Ian Gold. Undersized but quick to the ball and good in coverage. Probably doesn't hold up well at the point of attack but a guy who can flow and make plays. With what Demeco does in the middle, I think he fits well in our defensive scheme.

Sounds like our new Ray Rhodes look defense will be smallish quick guys swarming to the ball. Hope we can stop the run next year.

[TheMatrix31]

I don't like going with the VaTech or WVA people considering all the lack-of-character guys that have come from there (Vick's, etc), but hopefully they'll buck the trend of those losers in the NFL and actually be good guys for a change.

[chuck]

Well, we know that Adibi wasn't the best athlete on his team...

[Vinny]

Well, we know that Adibi wasn't the best athlete on his team...yeah, but he looks good in shorts.

[popanot]

Booty call in Minny! Sorry, Roy.

[Roy P]

Coming up at #151 would have been QB Josh Johnson if we had traded Sage.
I'm intrigued with RG Donald Thomas, DT DeMario Pressley, and DT Nick Hayden. However, the need for a DE to play opposite Mario might be too much to pass on. Brian Johnston, Chris Harrington, and Trevor Scott are valid considerations.

[Roy P]

I took Adibi off my board after he ran a 4.69. If I wanted a small, fast, swarmer to play coverage then Kegler or Woodyard would have been better options. It looks like we'll get to see Kegler twice a year when we play the Titans.

Booty will be starting in Minnesota next season.

[HPF Bob]

On the clock....tick tick tick.

[HPF Bob]

Frank Okam, DT, Longhorns!

Great value at this stage. Definite boom or bust guy.
Looked unstoppable his first two years, got his knee scoped I believe and has not been the same since. Great character. Hopes to be a doctor someday. He's a good gamble for this part of the draft. If somebody pushes him, he could be special again. Outstanding quickness for a big man.

[chuck]

On the clock....tick tick tick.

You got a lag in your radio feed? Frank Okam, DT, Texas.

This will make a lot of people very happy.

[Keith]

As a rotational player, Okam could prove to be very effective. The beef with him was that he lacked that non-stop motor. Maybe if he was used in rotation, his conditioning won't be such an issue.

This will be deemed as a good value pick, for sure. I like it, get some size in the middle. The Texans seemed to play a little small sometimes against the run, getting pushed up the middle. Maybe Okam fixes some of that.

[HPF Bob]

A lag in my ESPN draft ticker, to be more precise.

And note that we took the Texas guy only after the Broncos snagged the DT from Virginia Tech...

IIRC, Okam is from Alief. :D

[gunn]

Damn. Colts snag Marcus Howard.

[Keith]

Is there some reason our front office has a fetish for Virginia Tech players?

I mean, we seem to focus on ACC guys and a few from the Big East. Do we scout the rest of the country? I'm just asking... I missed this post.

I started another thread on this - The Strahm Theory (http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23).

[cadams]

anyone have thoughts on the texans going rb again in the 6th if thomas brown (uga) is still on the board? i like that kid.

[painekiller]

I am joining a little late. I will stay with todays moves so far.

I like the Molden pick. I might have been tempted to go Zuttah, but I believe we have the OL pieces in place and this would not be a big value.

Yes Slaton give you homerun ability, but he has to be able to get on the field. With Kubiak that means be a complete back. He will be asked top block and I have my doubts about him doing that. Also I forget the last time Kubiak used a 3rd down back, maybe that is because he does not use one. Unless Slaton become a KR, I do not see him helping much.

Adibi, a value pick, he was projected to be a 2nd rounder after the season. I liked the the kid from Kentucky as this kind of player better. And I would have been all over Choice, oh wait, be took Slaton already.

5th round, Okam? Did I just listen to an interview on the radio with Coach Franklin (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/04/15/texans-defensive-line-coach-talks-about-mario-and-more/#cont)?

In that interview he talks about the team is not looking for an anchor, they are looking for a sideline to sideline guy. So what is this pick? I would have been all over Ruebens, but he is still undrafted so what do I know. Maybe KUbiak and company can motivate Okam to become the player he was early in his college career.

BTW I have been impressed with the Titans draft so far.

[HPF Bob]

Our other bonus pick from the trade down is about 15-20 minutes away.

And, yes, I'd love a sleeper RB although I'm guessing WR depth or a big ugly for this pick.

[painekiller]

Maybe a DE?

[cadams]

Our other bonus pick from the trade down is about 15-20 minutes away.

And, yes, I'd love a sleeper RB although I'm guessing WR depth or a big ugly for this pick.

same here on the rb, obviously. as for wr depth, i would be happy if they went through the entire draft without taking a wr. we have 4 that i feel comfortable with. AJ getting injured last season may end up being a long term blessing given that it allowed some of our others to get some solid experience.

[HPF Bob]

Thomas Brown just went to the Falcons.

We're on the clock...

[HPF Bob]

Dominique Barber, S, Minnesota. :confused:

[HPF Bob]

The skinny: Marion Barber III's brother. Good athlete who doesn't translate into a good playmaker. Not the hitter to be a SS but good in coverage and occasional blitzer. Special teams prospect. Has blocked kicks.

[painekiller]

The skinny: Marion Barber III's brother. Good athlete who doesn't translate into a good playmaker. Not the hitter to be a SS but good in coverage and occasional blitzer. Special teams prospect. Has blocked kicks.

Has a motivational issue. He has the talent but has not been consistent with his play.

I am seeing a pattern here that is concerning, we are drafting some guys that have to be pushed to be the better than they are. I hope we do not get to much deeper into that pattern. I would would rather have a high instinct, high motor guy then a guy with all the tools and no drive.

[painekiller]

Has a motivational issue. He has the talent but has not been consistent with his play.

I am seeing a pattern here that is concerning, we are drafting some guys that have to be pushed to be the better than they are. I hope we do not get to much deeper into that pattern. I would would rather have a high instinct, high motor guy then a guy with all the tools and no drive.

Found this line on the espn bio Barber also blocked three kicks during his Gophers career.

Special Teams stand out.

[Keith]

Re: the pattern... I think it smacks more of the GM making the picks moreso than the head coach.

That said... Kubiak has drafted a kid he has had some personal connection with late in the draft in each of the last two years (David Anderson, Kasey Studdard). Either Kubiak is somehow tied to the Barber family (Dominique's dad was a Jet), or this last pick will be the one.

[cadams]

also, anyone picked in the 6th or 7th rounds will have issues that are concerns. if they didnt they wouldnt be last until the 6th or 7th rounds.

[HPF Bob]

I'm thinking the next pick will be the "Bronco connection" guy.

Ali Highsmith and Chauncey Washington are still on the board. That's a little surprising.

[machoneil]

Cmon, we need a punter!

[nunusguy]

Has a motivational issue. He has the talent but has not been consistent with his play.

I am seeing a pattern here that is concerning, we are drafting some guys that have to be pushed to be the better than they are. I hope we do not get to much deeper into that pattern. I would would rather have a high instinct, high motor guy then a guy with all the tools and no drive.
So given the choice between a Chris Long and a Mario williams, you'd take
Long ? Just wondering ?

[HPF Bob]

Andre Woodson goes to the Giants. Think J-Lo (Jared Lorenzen, another UK alum) is worried?

[281]

my day 2 thoughts-

antwuan molden - i've heard about this guy for quite some time, and i like what he brings to the table physically. as much as i wanted mike jenkins, i'm fine with molden. sounds like a good kid... he's had a rough past, so i'm sure he can handle what comes his way.

steve slaton - absolutely perfect complimentary back in the zbs. sure, he's extremely undersized, but our regime won't put him under the same workload that ended domanick davis' career. he's easily the fastest back we've ever had, and he has decent hands... this guy is going to be KILLER on screens. i LOVE this pick.

xavier adibi - this guy was a beast for the hokies. he's not exactly fluid, but he's very intense and could very well be starting alongside demeco a year or two from now. this pick fills a desperate need at linebacker, also.

frank okam - this guy has a world of potential; it's up to franklin to get it out of him. i'm sure he's gonna be in the rotation as a rookie to take the load off of tj, and he has the potential to take his job in a year or two, also. his size and run stopping abilities are what we need next to amobi.

dominique barber - honestly, i can't say much about this pick because i haven't seen a lick out of him. hopefully he's somewhere near as intense as his brother. he's most likely going to be a special teamer down the line, and strictly for depth.

[Keith]

Andre Woodson goes to the Giants. Think J-Lo (Jared Lorenzen, another UK alum) is worried?
All I know is that David Carr should be at least. :p

[281]

Andre Woodson goes to the Giants. Think J-Lo (Jared Lorenzen, another UK alum) is worried?

hopefully he ends up putting carr out of a job, but i doubt it. he reeks of a practice squad project.

[BizidyDizidy]

hopefully he ends up putting carr out of a job, but i doubt it. he reeks of a practice squad project.

While Carr just plain reeks.

[281]

While Carr just plain reeks.

haha, yup. that's a nice way to put it, honestly.

[HPF Bob]

Finally! The Seventh round is here! Instead of fussing about how long the first round takes, the NFL needs to look at how long the sixth round takes. :p

Let's get on to Mr. Irrelevant!

Gee, I've gone from "Football Zygote" all the way to "Drafted Rookie" in one weekend. :cool:

[HPF Bob]

One thing ya gotta say about the Texans...

They had a better weekend than the Astros or Rockets. By default.

[HPF Bob]

Here's your list of Virginia Tech players still left on the board:

Barry Booker DT 6-3, 285
Vince Hall ILB 5-11, 232
Josh Hyman WR 5-11, 194
Roland Minor CB 6-0, 203
DJ Parker S 5-11, 192

[HPF Bob]

Here we go...our last pick.:)

[HPF Bob]

Alex Brink, QB, Washington St. At least he won't cost a Brink's truck...

[Warren]

Smart, good decision maker but skinny with average physical ability.

[nunusguy]

Decent athlete...Nice throwing mechanics with a quick delivery...Adequate mobility to escape pressure and make plays with his feet...Tough and durable...Very smart and understands the game...Hard worker...Team Leader...Has a lot of experience.

Weaknesses:
Size and bulk are merely average...Doesn't have a real strong arm..Will press and force throws...Holds the ball too long..Is inconsistent with his accuracy...Struggles when pressured...Has some minor footwork and technique flaws...Limited upside.

Notes:
Was a four-year starter in the Pac-10...Holds the Cougars career marks in passing yards and touchdowns....Battle tested vet but his intangibles are more impressive than his physical tools...At most he will profile as a backup or #3 at the next level.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/alexbrink.html
*********
Kubiaks personal project.

[painekiller]

So given the choice between a Chris Long and a Mario williams, you'd take
Long ? Just wondering ?

Coming out of college? Yes, I had Long as a can't miss, and I had Mario as a work in progress, who needs to be pushed.

[Roy P]

Guys who haven't been picked that might make Undrafted FA.
LB Ben Moffitt
LB Wesley Woodyard
WR Darius Reynaud
S Michael Grant
DT Keilen Dykes
CB Darnell Terrell
RB BenJarvis Green-Ellis
S Derrick Doggett
S Dowayne Davis
CB Marcus Walker
LB Steve Octavien

[popanot]

I thought we got an extra 3rd and 6th for our trade down. I only see one pick in the 6th. what happened?

[BizidyDizidy]

I thought we got an extra 3rd and 6th for our trade down. I only see one pick in the 6th. what happened?

We got a new center.

[Warren]

To Denver for Chris Myers.

[popanot]

oh yeah. thx

[Mike]

I don't like going with the VaTech or WVA people considering all the lack-of-character guys that have come from there (Vick's, etc), but hopefully they'll buck the trend of those losers in the NFL and actually be good guys for a change.

Go to any D1 school and there are athletes with issues and problems. It happens when you get 100 athletes with ego and some freedom. If these guys have had any serious issues, we would not take them.

Andre Davis is from VT and is one of the nicest players I've ever met and a card carrying Christian. He really got ruined going to VT. :cool:

Besides Pacman, what other Mountaineer comes to mind as a troublemaker? How many Bonghorns have been busted for the hippy lettuce and lifting TV's? What about the the Sooner guys who were in trouble? Better not take any OU players. Talib is a pothead, cross off KU. Michigan, Forget them troublemakers...Ohio State..Not after what happened with Clarett.
Alabama.. cheating skallywags...

[Warren]

Besides Pacman, what other Mountaineer comes to mind as a troublemaker?Chris Henry. I agree with you, though.

[Mike]

Glad you got my point and we did not have to revisit the Chris Long to the Raider debate. :-)

Let's add Rich Rodriguez and Bob Thuggins as poor influences on the WVU campus.