Official Texans @ Chiefs Game Thread, 10/20/2013

[Arky]

The 2-4 Texans travel up to Kansas City to take on the 6-0 Chiefs this Sunday afternoon. The Texans are coming off a 38-13 home loss to the St. Louis Rams. The Chiefs are coming off a 24-7 home win over Oakland. As of this writing, the Texans starting QB is still up in the air. The Chiefs defense has not allowed more than 17 points in a game so far.

TV = CBS (channel 11 local), Sunday, 3:25 CST

Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2013&wk=7) = Jim Nantz, Phil Simms

The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Chiefs by 6 to 7

[nunusguy]

This is another opportunity for the Texans to get back in the playoff hunt by way of winning the AFC South, but after the recent blowout losses and especially the one Sunday in Reliant vs a mediocre Rams team, the Texans have clearly lost their way, their will to win, or whatever language one chooses to use to describe their current funk.
But I hardly think KC in Arrowhead represents the challenge that a Brady & Pats in NE do, but at this point I'm not sure who Houston can beat, maybe nobody ?
So I expect Payton to beat Indy Sunday and a Texans win in KC means the game vs Indy 2 weeks later in Reliant after the Texans bye puts them right back in the hunt if they can beat Luck/Colts @ home.
OK, wishful thinking on may part (atleast the part about the Texans winning in KC Sunday), but the path is there to make our season relevant again.

[WMH]

Schaub is out.

Case is the man.

This should be interesting. Kinda wish the kid could kick it off against the Jags or something.

Oh well, according to local radio, he's the 2nd coming.

We. Shall. See.

@taniaganguli Wade Phillips drops another bomb. But a smaller one. D.J. Swearinger will start in place of Danieal Manning. #Texans

[Arky]

Schaub is out.

Case is the man.



Awesome. Wasn't really looking forward to this game. Now I am. :cool:

[HPF Bob]

If I were Keenum, I would guarantee a win. He's an UDFA QB making his first pro start with a team that is desperate for a confidence boost. He has nothing to lose. Even if he has to fake the swag, do it. He has to get his teammates to believe in him even if they already mouth the words. Humility right now is just going to get your run over. Act like beating the undefeated Chiefs in their own noisy crib is no big deal.

[barrett]

If I were Keenum, I would guarantee a win. He's an UDFA QB making his first pro start with a team that is desperate for a confidence boost. He has nothing to lose. Even if he has to fake the swag, do it. He has to get his teammates to believe in him even if they already mouth the words. Humility right now is just going to get your run over. Act like beating the undefeated Chiefs in their own noisy crib is no big deal.

I bet playing well would give his teammates even more confidence.

[WMH]

@richeisen: The last visiting QB to make his 1st career start in 1st career NFL game at Arrowhead was...no one. #GoodLuckCase

[Nconroe]

Well, if Case can play reasonable along with the rest of the team, Texans can win this game. Should be fun to watch the game.

[painekiller]

Awesome. Wasn't really looking forward to this game. Now I am. :cool:

That is my take also. I have been tied up during the last two games, and i DVRed them. I never watched either when the outcome became leaked to me.

I was going skip this one also, now I will watch it live. Want to the kid.

Not expecting us to win, I picked KC on the suicide thread, but I expect a shot of fun from Case. He has emotion and he shows it, Something this team needs on offense right now, IMO.

[Arky]

That is my take also. I have been tied up during the last two games, and i DVRed them. I never watched either when the outcome became leaked to me.

I was going skip this one also, now I will watch it live. Want to the kid.

Not expecting us to win, I picked KC on the suicide thread, but I expect a shot of fun from Case. He has emotion and he shows it, Something this team needs on offense right now, IMO.

Yeah, he's probably going to make some mistakes - just hope they aren't of the bonehead variety. We've seen too much of that the last 4 weeks (damn, that's a long time to go without a W). But I think we are all going to be entertained. I do believe we're going to see things from a Texan QB that we've never seen before....

I also liked Kubes comment when announcing Keenum as the starter: "I'm not putting him out there by himself" which kinda silenced those critical of the very tough situation Keenum is being put in. Nothing like being strongly tested right off the bat....

[nunusguy]

KC fans just broke the Seattles fans record for the loudest stadium in the country last week, and that record-breaking performance happened with a noon start but todays game in Arrowhead will be a late Sunday afternoon start, so the Arrowhead crowd gets 3 more hours of beer guzzling before Case Keenum takes the first snap of his life in a regular season NFL game, so it's gonna be loud and wild and crazy in Arrowhead today. Oh BTW, the Chiefs are unbeaten and feature one of the NFLs best defenses, so sorry but if you think Keenums got a chance in this game then you must be a U of H alum. On the other hand, what the hell, the Texans opportunity for a playoff berth this year is all but nonexistent at this point so what's the downside with playing him ? Not too much really.
And watching Kubiak's pressers this week, there's an unusual, an almost nonchalant attitude from the Texans' HC as if he's resigned to the games outcome and his own fate. It should be interesting, though most likely not too enjoyable for Texans' fans in the end.

[HPF Bob]

C'mon, Texans. Do it for Bum.

[Nconroe]

Some interesting stats

Texans are top ranked defense giving up 251 yds/game
Chiefs defense is ranked fifth giving up 303 yds/game.

Texans offense is seventh gaing 391 yds/game
Chiefs offense is 21st rank at 320 yds/game( about)

Texans are committing 7.7 penalties a game.
Chiegs have 7 penalties a game.

Texans are -12 on turnovers, what is really hurting them.
Chiefs are +12 on turnovers what really helping them win.

Pretty sure Chiefs have more sacks than Texans(need to double chk)
Chiefs ranked first in sacks with 30 for 194 yards.
Texans ranked 21 with 14 sacks for 79 yards.

Chiefs have scored almost half their 25 points per game on defense and special teams.

So looks like a key , big surprise, is winning turnover battle and O-line protecting our QB.

Two more hours, a few surprising scores already.

[Arky]

Bullock's kickoff is downed in the endzone. Chiefs ball at their 20.

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Pass to Bowe broken up by JJo, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Charles for 3. 3rd and 7 coming up.

Flags presnap, false start Chiefs. Makes it 3rd and 12 coming up.

Pass to Bowe gets 7 so Chiefs have to punt.

Punt is downed by the Chiefs at the Texan 43. Texans ball.

[Arky]

Foster for no gain.

Foster for 11 and a 1st down.

Screen to AJ gets 10.

Oy, Graham wide open inside the 5 can't make the catch, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Foster for no gain. 3rd and 10 coming up.

Pass to AJ gets 10 and the 1st down.

Flags presnap. Offsides D Brown -5. Makes it 1st and 15 coming up.

Foster for no gain. 2nd and 15 coming up.

Keenum pressured, throws it away, inc. 3rd and 15 coming up.

Tate for loss of 1. Texans to go for the FG.

Bullock's 48-yarder is good.

Texans 3, Chiefs 0

8:12 left in the 1st quarter.

[barrett]

I actually like the draw call there. If we stop turning the ball over and go ultra conservative we might be the Chiefs. Either way I want us to actually make a team beat our defense instead of letting the opposing offense off the hook like we have for a month straight.

[Arky]

Chiefs bring the ensuing kickoff back to about their 18. Chiefs ball.

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Charles for maybe 1.

Smith's pass is too long for Bowe, inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.

Pass to Bowe goes for 21 and the 1st down at the Chiefs 40.

End around to McCluster goes for 2.

Screen to McCluster goes about 4 but roughing the QB on Crick adds 15. Ball at the Texans 38.

Charles dances for 14.

Pass to Sherman gets 9. Ball at the Texan 15.

Charles for 1 and the 1st down.

McCluster for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Pass to Fasano complete to the 1 yard line. 1st and goal for the Chiefs.

Charles punches it in for the TD.

Chiefs 7, Texans 3

2:43 left in the 1st quarter.

[BigBull]

The Texans continue to suck on defense in the red zone.

[Arky]

Martin brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan 19. Texans ball.

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Tate for about 3.

Short pass to Posey goes for 42! Ball at the Chiefs 36.

Tate for about 4.

Tate for 3 more. 3rd and 3 coming up.

End of the 1st quarter.

[Arky]

The Texans continue to suck on defense in the red zone.

They kinda sucked the whole length of the field..... :)

[BigBull]

They kinda sucked the whole length of the field..... :)

lol very true

[Arky]

On 3rd and 3, deep pass to Hopkins is good for the TD. Flag on Chiefs is declined. 29 yards.

Texans 10, Chiefs 7

14:54 left in the half.

[chuck]

This just goes to show how incredibly clueless the Texans' leadership is. I was already pissed watching Derrick Johnson play (as always happens when I watch the Chiefs) and now we discover that these morons have been hiding a competent quarterback.

[barrett]

Something was clearly wrong with Schaub (mental, physical, or both). He has not pushed the ball down the field since late last season. Today we switched to probably the weakest armed QB in the NFL and have gone deep twice already.

Go Coogs.

[popanot]

Well, Keenum's going to finally keep us in the game and our D is going to blow it.

[Arky]

Chiefs bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 22. Chiefs ball.

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Pass over the middle to Fasano goes inc.

Charles for 11 and a 1st down.

Smith pressured, throws inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Deep pass to Charles sails out of bounds, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.

Short pass to Sherman is dropped, inc. Chiefs have to punt.

Martin makes some bad decisions with the punt and gets tackled at the Texan 10. Texans ball. 13:38 left in the half.

[chuck]

When I watch Case I don't see a weak arm, I see decisiveness.

[popanot]

This just goes to show how incredibly clueless the Texans' leadership is. I was already pissed watching Derrick Johnson play (as always happens when I watch the Chiefs) and now we discover that these morons have been hiding a competent quarterback.They still have a moron ST coach and an idiot KR/PR.

[barrett]

Great job catching a punt inside the 10 and then getting to the 12, only to turn around and run back inside the 5. I think we should hire 1 coach who does nothing but focus on special teams so that our guys know better than to do this.

[barrett]

When I watch Case I don't see a weak arm, I see decisiveness.

You can see both. Manning doesn't have much arm left and dissects people. Schaub got away with a weak arm for years before it got weaker and he stopped being decisive.

I am thrilled with the change and love Case as a UH alum. It doesn't mean I don't notice he has no arm.

[barrett]

I like how we've been almost all shotgun. Coach to the player rather than the other way around. Surprising from our staff.

[Arky]

Tate twirls for about 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.

Tate for about 2 more. 3rd and 1 coming up.

Tate gets 3 and the 1st down.

Tate for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

G Jones for 4. 3rd and 1 coming up.

Slant to AJ goes all the way to the Chiefs 43, 1st down.

Timeout Texans....

[popanot]

Wow, Kubiak is even animated today.

[barrett]

That hold is on Tate. He needs to keep that play inside.

[chuck]

I think we should hire 1 coach who does nothing but focus on special teams so that our guys know better than to do this.

Better yet, let's hire two!

Houston you have a problem. That's cute. I've never seen that before. Little prick.

[Arky]

On 1st and 10, Tate gets about 5 but flag on Texans for holding, -10. Makes it 1st and 20 coming up.

Pass to Hopkins gets 12.

Tate gets about 5. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Keenum pressured, throws inc over the middle to Graham. Texans are going to punt.

Punt is downed by Mack at the 3 yard line. Chiefs ball.

7:31 left in the half.

[chuck]

I don't even know who the hell Mack is.

[Nconroe]

Did you guys complain about Duane Brown already having 2 penalties.

[chuck]

Did you guys complain about Duane Brown already having 2 penalties.

No. Nor did we complain about an egregiously missed PI call on Graham. But I will if you'd like.

[popanot]

What the hell D?!?! Can you please stop one of these 3rd downs?!?!

[barrett]

No. Nor did we complain about an egregiously missed PI call on Graham. But I will if you'd like.

We have the worst group ever at drawing PI and the worst defensive group ever at getting called for it.

[Arky]

Flags presnap, offsides Chiefs 1/2 the distance. Makes it 1st and 11.

Charles for about 1.

Pass to Fasano gets 4. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Timeout KC......

On 3rd and 5, pass to Bowe goes for 16 and the 1st down.

Screen to Charles gets 9. 2nd and 1 coming up. Ball at the Chiefs 34.

Charles gets 3 and the 1st down.

Davis for 2.

Pass to McGrath goes for 1. 3rd and 7 coming up.

Pass to Avery gets 11 and the 1st down.

Charles gets 6.

Pass to Avery gets big gainer. 17 yards. Ball at the Texan 25.

2 minute warning.

[BigBull]

McCain is killing our defense. I can't believe they don't have a better option for 3rd cb.

[chuck]

We have the worst group ever at drawing PI and the worst defensive group ever at getting called for it.

I was watching the Cowboys earlier and noticed how at virtually every incompletion they'd jump up and act like they'd been brutally violated by a horde of Mongols. Sadly it often worked.

[popanot]

McCain is killing our defense. I can't believe they don't have a better option for 3rd cb.Doesn't look like anyone is playing well on D to me.

[Arky]

Charles for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Screen to Charles gets about 6 and the 1st down at the Texan 14.

Pass to Bowe gets 9. 2nd and 1 coming up at the Texan 5. Timeout Chiefs. 1:03 left in the half.

Smith pressured, throws inc. 3rd and 1 coming up.

Smith runs it in untouched.

Chiefs 14, Texans 10

56 seconds left in the half.

[chuck]

McCain is killing our defense. I can't believe they don't have a better option for 3rd cb.

He's bad. But for me the fact that the entire line backing corps is invisible, especially the OLBs, is worse.

[popanot]

Nice defense there. Let them drive 99 yards and eat up the clock. WTH! :mad:

[barrett]

We've now gotten so bad on redzone defense that we give up walk in TDs on broken plays where the offense doesn't even know what they are doing.

[BigBull]

My question is when does Wade start getting some heat for lack of a pass rush and horrible red zone defense?

[popanot]

I missed the start of the game. Do we get the ball to start the 2nd half?

[chuck]

I missed the start of the game. Do we get the ball to start the 2nd half?

Yes. The Texans won and deferred.

Just kidding. The Chiefs won and took the ball.

[Arky]

The ensuing kickoff goes out of the endzone, touchback. Texans ball at their 20.

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Tate for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.

Tate for about 10 and the 1st down. Texans call timeout. 13 seconds left in the half.

Pass to Jean goes for 10. 8 seconds left.

Pass to Jean gets 10 more. Ball at the Chiefs 41 with 1 seconds left.

Timeout Texans.

Keenum's hail Mary in the endzone is almost caught but falls inc.

End of the half.

Chiefs 14, Texans 10

[nunusguy]

Don't know 'bout the rest of the game, but at the half, couldn't ask more of Keenum.

[Big Texas]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Keenum looks good...especially since he is going up against the best defense in the league...

So even if we lose (do to a defense that plays good on two out every three plays). Does Shaub get his job back?

[Nconroe]

Case Keenum more than met my expectations so far. No turnovers, no sacks, good play. Now defense has to pick it up.

Btw. Keenum's arm didn't look to weak on toss to the end zone.

I would hope Kubiak sticks with Keenum if this continues.

[Arky]

Halftime stats:

Passing: Keenum 8/12, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT's

Rushing: Tate 11/49, Foster 4/11, Jones 1/4

Receiving: AJ 3/47, Posey 1/42, Hopkins 2/41, Jean 2/21

Tackles: KJ 4, Mays/Swearinger 3 each, E Reed/Cushing/Sharpton/Keo/Mercilus 2 each

Time of possession: Texans 14:46, Chiefs 15:14

1st downs: Texans 10, Chiefs 13

3rd down efficiency: Texans 4/6, Chiefs 4/6

Red zone: Texans 0/0, Chiefs 2/2

Total yards: Texans 215, Chiefs 185

Penalties: Texans 3/30, Chiefs 2/6

Turnovers: Texans 0, Chiefs 0

[painekiller]

Case Keenum more than met my expectations so far. No turnovers, no sacks, good play. Now defense has to pick it up.

Btw. Keenum's arm didn't look to weak on toss to the end zone.

I would hope Kubiak sticks with Keenum if this continues.

I agree, let it ride.

[Arky]

2nd half kickoff goes out of the endzone, touchback. Texans ball at their 20.

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Keenum can't find a receiver and scrambles for 8 or 9.

Tate gets 2 and the 1st down.

Tate gets caught for loss of 2. Tate injured on the play. Oh boy, no Cierre Wood. Injury timeout.

[nunusguy]

Oh no, Tate's down.

[BigBull]

Looks like glassman Tate maybe hurt. Can it get any worse for our rbs.

[Nconroe]

Ohoh, Foster already out with Hammy. Now Tate hurt. Wood inactive.

So FB Ben Jones now our RB? Who else? Four wide.

Still no PI.

[Arky]

On 2nd and 11, pass to AJ goes inc. 3rd and 11 coming up.

Pass goes inc but flags on Chiefs for offsides makes it 3rd and 6 coming up.

Keenum gets sacked. Texans to punt on 4th and 11.

McCluster brings the punt back to the Chiefs 18. Chiefs ball.

[popanot]

Unbelievable!! We get a penalty for going below the knees at Alex Smith and they just did it to Keenum and we get no call. :mad:

[Arky]

Charles for 1.

Woohoo! Charles fumbles and KJ recovers! Texans ball at the Chiefs 28!

[barrett]

Is that the first off schedule play we've seen a QB make in two years since Yates scrambled as a rookie?

[chuck]

Is that the first off schedule play we've seen a QB make in two years since Yates scrambled as a rookie?

The more I see of Keenum the more irresponsible Kubiak and Smith become.

[Arky]

Pass to Graham goes all the way to the 1! 1st and goal at the 1. Timeout Texans.

Keenum keeps for 1/2 yard. 2nd and goal from the 1.

Jones tackled for loss of 2. 3rd and goal from the 3.

Pass to Hopkins gets broken up, inc. Texans to go for the FG.

Bullock's 21-yarder is good.

Chiefs 14, Texans 13

9:24 left in the 3rd quarter.

[BigBull]

The more I see of Keenum the more irresponsible Kubiak and Smith become.

Where is the like button for this?:D

[popanot]

Can we get a frickin call in this game? The guy clearly grabbed Hopkins.

[nunusguy]

Wow, another good throw by Keenum, thought for sure Hopkins could come down with that for 6.

[Big Texas]

I guess pass interference just doesn't get called anymore unless you are Kareem jackson

[barrett]

The more I see of Keenum the more irresponsible Kubiak and Smith become.

There is not a team in the NFL that would have gone to the UDFA coming off a playoff season. Maybe a few teams pull the plug a week or two earlier and that's on Kubs, but Smith gets no blame for that (and plenty of credit for signing him).

[barrett]

Wow, another good throw by Keenum, thought for sure Hopkins could come down with that for 6.

That throw was way inside when it should have been outside. Only Hopkins effort gave him a chance.

[chuck]

There is not a team in the NFL that would have gone to the UDFA coming off a playoff season. Maybe a few teams pull the plug a week or two earlier and that's on Kubs, but Smith gets no blame for that (and plenty of credit for signing him).

I'm thinking more of Schaub's contract than the timing of going with Keenum.

And there's another former Texan to embarrass the Texans' special teams.

[barrett]

Can these refs kill us any worse? The guy is running full speed down the middle of the field and enters his slide in the middle of the tackle and its a penalty?

[Nconroe]

That call on Swearinger is highly debateable too.

Now Cushing might be hurt.

[barrett]

I'm thinking more of Schaub's contract than the timing of going with Keenum.

And there's another former Texan to embarrass the Texans' special teams.

I'm all in with you then. That was a terrible move (and clearly about panic on the eve of the season).

[Arky]

Chiefs bring the kickoff all the way back to the Texan 46.

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Smith scrambles for big gain and roughness on Swearinger places the ball at the Texan 10.

Sherman for 4.

Short pass to Sherman gets 1. Cushing injured. Injury timeout. 3rd and goal at the Texan 6.

Charles stopped at the 4. Chiefs to go for the FG.

Succop's 22-yarder is good.

Chiefs 17, Texans 13

6:07 left in the 3rd quarter.

[chuck]

I'm all in with you then. That was a terrible move (and clearly about panic on the eve of the season).

In fact, I'll credit Kubiak for going with Keenum today when Yates was the more cautious, Texan, Kubiakian option.

[nunusguy]

That throw was way inside when it should have been outside. Only Hopkins effort gave him a chance.
OK maybe it wasn't a real good throw, but Hopkins had both hands on it and
he should have had the ball.
In the meantime Cushing is down, doesn't look good.

[popanot]

I'm getting so sick of this league. The inconsistency of the calls on the field along with the fact the D can't do squat anymore without getting a flag. Yet, the offense take guys out at the knees and do whatever the hell they want. I'm sick to my stomach right now.

[barrett]

The season officially enters throw away territory if Cushing is done for the year. I mean fire the coach before the bye week, bury starters on IR, play young guys, and play for draft position.

[barrett]

OK maybe it wasn't a real good throw, but Hopkins had both hands on it and
he should have had the ball.
In the meantime Cushing is down, doesn't look good.

He almost made a play on a front shoulder fade. It was a great effort.

[BigBull]

Case for president!

[barrett]

If I can just watch Case Keenum run around for the next 10 games I'll be happy.

[Arky]

Thank goodness the ensuing kickoff goes out of the endzone, touchback. Texans ball at their 20.

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Keenum buys 5 minutes and hits AJ deep for a big gainer. 42 yards.

Dumpoff to Tate goes for no gain.

Keenum can't find a receiver and grounds the pass, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.

Pass to Graham only gets 9...... Texans to go for the FG.

Bullock's 47-yarder is good.

Chiefs 17, Texans 16

4:21 left in the 3rd quarter.

[Nconroe]

Quite a game. Even Bullock hitting FG now. Another turnover would be sweet.

[barrett]

Watching the replay I am trying to decide if Keo or Reed looked worse on the 3rd and 21 pickup.

[Arky]

Chiefs bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 13. Chiefs ball.

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Short pass to Charles goes all the way to the Chief 34. 21 yards.

Flags presnap. False start Chiefs. 1st and 15 coming up.

Smith is sacked by Mitchell. Makes it 2nd and 21 coming up.

Charles for no gain. 3rd and 21 coming up.

Damn, short pass to McCluster goes for big gainer. B Reed saves the TD. Ball at the Texan 34.

Charles for 6.

Charles goes all the way to the Texan 10. 1st and goal.

Davis goes left for 3.

End of the 3rd quarter.

[nunusguy]

Does Cushing make that play on Charles if he's in there, who knows ?
Charles is a much harder runner than i realized, I thought he was basically
all speed & moves.

[TheMatrix31]

I think I have to be done with football for the foreseeable future. The same ****************ing knee on the same ****************ing guy got blown out on ANOTHER dirty low block. Meanwhile you've got this pussified, bullshit league that coddles offensive players and offers no protection for defensive players.

This is a joke. I feel today the same way I felt while watching Lakers/Kings Game 6 in 2002. This is the day the music died for me in the NFL. I can no longer truly take it seriously. It's the beginning of the end.

[painekiller]

I'm sold on Case, and ILB now is a bigger priority in the draft.

Fire Coach Joe tonight

[Arky]

On 2nd and goal from the 7, Smith's pass to Fasano just short of the goal line. Chiefs challenging that he crossed the goal line......

Play stands as called. 3rd and goal from about the 6-inch line.....

Charles stopped short! Chiefs to go for it on 4th down.....

Smith's pass is caught but out of bounds! Texans takeover at the 1!

[nunusguy]

Texans D matched the Chiefs GL stand, now Keenum is gonna have to stand on the GL with that crowd going nutz and make a play.

[barrett]

At least a fired coach likely means a new ST coach too. I can't imagine anyone taking this job and agreeing to keep him.

[Nconroe]

Nice, no excellent, goal line stand. Hold on.

[chuck]

I think I have to be done with football for the foreseeable future. The same ****************ing knee on the same ****************ing guy got blown out on ANOTHER dirty low block. Meanwhile you've got this pussified, bullshit league that coddles offensive players and offers no protection for defensive players.

This is a joke. I feel today the same way I felt while watching Lakers/Kings Game 6 in 2002. This is the day the music died for me in the NFL. I can no longer truly take it seriously. It's the beginning of the end.

That's about when I quit watching he NBA, too. I bet I haven't watched ten games since then. I used to watch hundreds.

I'm not there with the NFL yet but I wouldn't begrudge another for it.

[Arky]

Keenum's pass to Graham off the mark, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Pass to Hopkins goes for big gainer. Ball at the Texan 36.

Pass to AJ goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Keenum scrambles for 1. 3rd and 9 coming up.

Keenum gets sacked. Texans have to punt.

McCluster brings the punt back to the Chiefs 40 but flag on the play..... Holding on Chiefs backs it up.... Ball is placed at the Chiefs 8. 11:28 left in the game.

[chuck]

Marciano is 100% on McNair. A new coach wouldn't have any say in it. Not that it matters since Case is obviously going to save Kubiak's ass.

[Arky]

Smith is sacked by Watt! Loss of 3.

Pass to McCluster goes for 10. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Smith's pass is batted down by Watt, inc. Chiefs have to punt.

Martin fair catches at the Texan 41. Texans ball. 9:37 left in the game.

[nunusguy]

Marciano is 100% on McNair. A new coach wouldn't have any say in it. Not that it matters since Case is obviously going to save Kubiak's ass.
Did I just hear the Chuckster call this game, can I bank that ?

[barrett]

Marciano is 100% on McNair. A new coach wouldn't have any say in it. Not that it matters since Case is obviously going to save Kubiak's ass.

I know it's on McNair, but I think a staff reset could finally take it out of his hands.

Stuff like that is also why I don't want an owner involved in any way in football decisions.

[BigBull]

Just imagine what Case can do with two whole weeks of practice with the first team offense.

[Arky]

Tate for no gain.

Keenum pressured throws a completed pass for 2 yards. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Timeout Texans.......

On 3rd and 8, Keenum under heavy pressure, fumbles but Texans recover. Texans will have to punt.

McCluster brings the punt back to the about the Chiefs 47. Chiefs ball.

[Nconroe]

Well, I'm gonna think positive and hope special teams makes a big play.

[nunusguy]

GDammit, I can't believe the coverage let him get outside again on that punt return !

[WMH]

Braman needs to go.

[BigBull]

I seen enough of McCain bouncing off runners.

[painekiller]

I seen enough of McCain bouncing off runners.

you beat me to it , me too,

[Arky]

Pass goes to Texan 40.

Charles for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Pass to Fasano gets 4. 3rd and 4 coming up. Watt injured on the play. Believe he got the wind knocked out of him....

Pass is INT'ed by Keo! Texans ball at their 22 with 5:47 left in the game. Play under review.....

[painekiller]

keo for the pick

[nunusguy]

"KO" Keo strikes again !

[chuck]

I wasn't really calling this game, just noting that Keenum is going to produce far more than Schaub and that over the remainder of the year that should be enough.

I do not believe it. Keo.

[chuck]

But f it, sure, we're going to win this one.

[Nconroe]

Pretty good interception by Keo. We got a chance.

Well, now need another stop by defense.

[Joshua]

I'm sold on Case, and ILB now is a bigger priority in the draft.

Fire Coach Joe tonight

Come on, PK, you're better than that. You've already decided to forego a QB in a potentially deep QB draft because an undrafted QB has played 3 quarters, which resulted in 1 TD?

Look, i hope Case is the real deal, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[barrett]

Keenum has played very well but he has really struggled to identify blitzers. A couple of weeks of reps should hopefully help with that.

[Arky]

Ruling on the field stands as called. Texans ball.

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Tate for 1.

Screen to Tate goes for 5. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Keenum gets sacked. Texans have to punt.

Chiefs field the punt and run out of bounds at their 34. Chiefs ball with 4:04 left in the game.

[BigBull]

I've seen enough of Ed Reed also.

[barrett]

Fassano blindsided McCain there on that 3rd down conversion. Absolutely blew him up on a pick play and no penalty.

[chuck]

I'm trying to figure out that last time out.

[Arky]

Charles for 1.

Charles for 4. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Pass is complete to Bowe for 14 yards. Offsides on E Reed is declined. 1st down.

Charles for 1.

On 2nd and 9, pass to Avery gets 5. 3rd and 4 coming up.

2 minute warning, Texans out of timeouts.

[popanot]

I'm trying to figure out that last time out.Just awful.

[barrett]

I just went back and watched it again and am in shock there was no offensive PI. Fassano actually lowers his shoulder on the play and decleats McCain. All right in front of the official.

[BigBull]

McCain made a play. I'm in shock.

[Arky]

On 3rd and 4, Smith's pass is broken up, inc. Chiefs have to punt.

Chiefs down the punt at the Texan 10. Texans ball with 1:46 left in the game.

[barrett]

Keenum is starting to fade backwards out of the pocket in anticipation of pressure.

[Arky]

Keenum's pass to Graham is broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Oh no, Keenum sacked and stripped, fumbles, Chiefs recover. Chiefs ball at the Texan 1. Chiefs kneeling it out.

Final Score:

Chiefs 17, Texans 16

[Nconroe]

Ok, pretty good effort Case.

[barrett]

Great effort from Keenum. He made me care again after determining I wouldn't care the rest of the season. And I already can't wait to see him again. If Schaub is given the job back I'll be heartbroken.

[popanot]

I'm baffled by the calls on our last 3 or 4 offensive series. Of course, the OL and blocking sucked, but it seemed like Kubiak ran a lot of stuff that left Keenum exposed.

[chuck]

Leaving Newton one on one with anyone is mind bending stupidity, with Hali it's just criminal.

[BigBull]

I think Kubiak mismanaged his timeouts and play calling at the end was bad.

[chuck]

I think Kubiak mismanaged his timeouts and play calling at the end was bad.

Andy Reid threw the ball twice, three times maybe on that last series when the Texans had no time outs. Yet he is 500000 times smarter than palm licker.

[Arky]

Case did good. Needs to work on his pocket awareness but loved the performance overall.

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Jamaal Charles is one cheap-shotting SOB.....

[painekiller]

Come on, PK, you're better than that. You've already decided to forego a QB in a potentially deep QB draft because an undrafted QB has played 3 quarters, which resulted in 1 TD?

Look, i hope Case is the real deal, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I'm not saying not to take a QB, just not one in the 1st.

[barrett]

It's interesting to criticize play calling when we basically have no idea what the plays were. I don't think we ever saw the routes the last few series since Keenum was getting buried. If I could criticize anything coaching wise it would be the lack of audibles we call. Or kicking a FG on the goal line.

But if Case fails to see where the blitz is coming from, fails to get the ball out, and the OL blocks nobody, that is not a play call issue. On many of those plays they just brought more guys than we had blockers. That will happen when you have no RBs and cannot run the ball to keep a team honest (the other huge coaching error, how do you not have a 3rd RB when Foster enters the game dinged). Plus your QB has no reps with the WRs and no established connection that would allow them to break off routes or go hot. Not to mention the world's loudest stadium.

I just think we got beat today because we are not a very good football team.

[nunusguy]

Congrats to Keenum on his NFL debut, he exceeded any expectations I had for him in this game by a huge, huge margin.

[BigBull]

Congrats to Keenum on his NFL debut, he exceeded any expectations I had for him in this game by a huge, huge margin.

So does Keenum get another start or does Kubiak go back to Schaub after the bye week.

[Joshua]

I'm not saying not to take a QB, just not one in the 1st.

Really? After 1 game which we lost and only scored 16 points in and you're convinced that Case is good enough to win a Super Bowl? After this game, you're convinced the entire league misjudged Case? I mean, maybe so, but the odds are very long.

Let's not forget that just a couple years ago a rookie QB started his first game on the road against a pretty good team. He threw for 300 yards and 2 TDs and won the game. His name was T.J. Yates.

[nunusguy]

So does Keenum get another start or does Kubiak go back to Schaub after the bye week.
Keenum certainly gets my vote to be the starter in the Texans' next game.

[WMH]

@JayGlazer: Just got a text from Brian Cushing. Tough man! Broke his leg & tore his LCL, out for year. Says he will kill his rehab & come back stronger

[chuck]

Really? After 1 game which we lost and only scored 16 points in and you're convinced that Case is good enough to win a Super Bowl? After this game, you're convinced the entire league misjudged Case? I mean, maybe so, but the odds are very long.

Let's not forget that just a couple years ago a rookie QB started his first game on the road against a pretty good team. He threw for 300 yards and 2 TDs and won the game. His name was T.J. Yates.

I think it's wildly premature to be thinking about who's going to do what next year. I also think that Case certainly deserves to start or at the very least should start for the rest of this year and I'd like to think that nine games hence we'll have a better idea of what Case is all about and how urgently the team needs another quarterback.

[WMH]

I think it's wildly premature to be thinking about who's going to do what next year. I also think that Case certainly deserves to start or at the very least should start for the rest of this year and I'd like to think that nine games hence we'll have a better idea of what Case is all about and how urgently the team needs another quarterback.

Definitely agree with this. Wait, did I just really agree with Chuck? Wow...

I'm happy I was wrong about Case. I saw 7-8 plays that he made that Schaub couldn't. That's a lot. I don't see how Kubiak could go back to Schaub, at least for now. Give him two weeks of work, especially hot reads..... Give him a healthy Arian and see what happens.

We're the longest of longshots anyway, why not?

[Arky]

Beat the Colts twice, Jags twice and Titans one more time and go 6-0 in the division..... Maybe even a 9-7 gets it done. Tough but not impossible.

New England will be scary but it is a home game. Denver in Week 16 may be in "coast mode"....

[nunusguy]

@JayGlazer: Just got a text from Brian Cushing. Tough man! Broke his leg & tore his LCL, out for year. Says he will kill his rehab & come back stronger
I'm just glad he got paid, got another contract before this shix happened. In a worst case scenario, he's got his family including his son who's he's obviously nutz about and he's got some big bucs in his account.

[painekiller]

Really? After 1 game which we lost and only scored 16 points in and you're convinced that Case is good enough to win a Super Bowl? After this game, you're convinced the entire league misjudged Case? I mean, maybe so, but the odds are very long.

Let's not forget that just a couple years ago a rookie QB started his first game on the road against a pretty good team. He threw for 300 yards and 2 TDs and won the game. His name was T.J. Yates.

I'm saying I like watching this kid play. He is fun to watch, he has charisma and he is a winner. I'm not arguing that he is a raw prospect and needs a lot of development. And I am also not saying that he is a Super Bowl quality QB. But this coming draft class of QBs is not impressing me yet. I know they are deep, and there is a few bright stars, but I have yet to find a QB I take at 10 that is likely to be available at 10. And right now we pick around 10 if the season ends now.

This all said, after the bye week, this team has a much easier schedule on paper, and I expect them to recover. Schaub does give you a better shot today to win, but I would still go with Case for the immediate future.

[painekiller]

I'm happy I was wrong about Case. I saw 7-8 plays that he made that Schaub couldn't. That's a lot.

This is what I saw and loved about this kid.

[barrett]

I think it's wildly premature to be thinking about who's going to do what next year. I also think that Case certainly deserves to start or at the very least should start for the rest of this year and I'd like to think that nine games hence we'll have a better idea of what Case is all about and how urgently the team needs another quarterback.

Agree %100. I don't think he is the QB of the future despite a strong affection for him. However, I would love to be proved wrong, and if Kubiak is not going to start him and give him a chance to prove me wrong, Kubiak deserves to fired yesterday. You start him for 9 weeks and then you know what you need to know going into the offseason. And then even if you draft a QB #1 overall, you give him Case a chance to keep the job early before he likely becomes a very good backup QB.

[Joshua]

Agree that Case should be the starter going forward. I'm just not sold quite yet. He needs to do more than outplay 2013 Schaub to declare the QB decision settled going forward.

Plus, someone has to be the pessimistic old crank. Usually that's Chuck but he's turned into a little ray of sunshine.:D

[chuck]

WMH, barrett and chuck join hands and sing Kumbaya.

I sure hope the team starts winning so we can all go back to being annoyed with each other again.

[chuck]

And Joshua joins the group adding tenor harmony.

[barrett]

WMH, barrett and chuck join hands and sing Kumbaya.

I sure hope the team starts winning so we can all go back to being annoyed with each other again.

It's funny. The only thing this board has ever agreed on 100% is we hate these guys when they lose.

I am personally very happy because I cut all ties with this season and am blindly optimistic our next coach will be the new Bill Walsh crossed with Bellichik and our next QB will be the next Tom Brady to combat Luck's Manning impression.

[cadams]

Case Keenum was solid in his NFL debut, a 17-16 loss at Kansas City, but he didn’t change coach Gary Kubiak’s mind about the starting position.

“Matt’s our starting quarterback,” Kubiak said of the veteran Schaub. “Case played this week.”

Kubiak said he would re-evaulate the position during the Texans’ bye week.

Keenum went 15-of-25 for 271 yards and a touchdown in his debut. His quarterback rating of 110.6 was higher than any of Schaub’s this season.

“Players responded well to Case,” Kubiak said. “They were very confident with him, and it came from the week of practice.”

Schaub sat Sunday’s game with a foot/ankle injury.

“Matt and (backup) T.J. (Yates) did a good job helping prepare Case to get ready to play,” Kubiak said.