View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Seahawks Game Thread, 9/29/2013
The 2-1 Houston Texans host the Seattle Seahawks (3-0) this Sunday, noon at Reliant Stadium in a Week 4 matchup. Denver and Seattle are currently rated as the top teams in the NFL at the moment in many of the power rankings. Seattle is coming off a 45-17 victory over the Jags. The Texans are coming off a 30-9 loss to the Ravens and could right a few wrongs with a victory.
Bye weeks start this week with Green Bay and Carolina not playing.
TV = FOX (channel 26 local), noon Sunday
Announcers (http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2013&wk=4) = Chris Myers, Tim Ryan
The line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Seahawks by 2.5 to 3
HPF Bob
09-25-2013, 06:36 PM
Fortunately, Dallas is at San Diego for one of the late games so the Texans will probably get the early slot for most Texas viewers and then the late viewers will either see the Cowboys/Chargers or Broncos/Eagles.
cadams
09-26-2013, 09:03 AM
this website shows maps of what games are showing where every week. i think the coming week's games are updated on tuesday or wednesday every week.
both the texans and cowboys are being shown state wide.
http://506sports.com/nfl/
Nconroe
09-26-2013, 01:24 PM
It could be a close game as the line expects.
Seahawks haven't been real dominant on the road, including with Carolina in week 1 of this year.
Seahawks have been mostly a ground and pound team this year so, if we can stop their running game with our defense, and perhaps help us win the turnover battle then we got a chance.
Then if our offense can be consistent, no bad turnovers, keep out of negative plays against a very good defense, trying to be positive on this.
Seattle does have two good CB, so our passing will have to be very accurate and run some new groupings perhaps to get guys open.
ST, just make good tackles and should be ok.
This would be a good win to show Texans can play with the big boys.
popanot
09-27-2013, 09:09 AM
My brain tells me otherwise, but my gut tells me the Texans are going to win this game. I just have that feeling they're going to play a solid game and pull it out.
HPF Bob
09-27-2013, 11:05 AM
I have faith that the Seahawks are the extreme home/road Jeckyl/Hyde of the NFL. Whether that makes them vulnerable enough for the Texans to beat them is still an open question but I'd give the Texans no chance if the game were in Washington. The noon start is also going to seem like a 10 a.m. start for them. Makes sense to try to jump on them early while they are half asleep.
barrett
09-27-2013, 11:29 AM
I have faith that the Seahawks are the extreme home/road Jeckyl/Hyde of the NFL. Whether that makes them vulnerable enough for the Texans to beat them is still an open question but I'd give the Texans no chance if the game were in Washington. The noon start is also going to seem like a 10 a.m. start for them. Makes sense to try to jump on them early while they are half asleep.
A lot depends on Andre. We were lost after he bruised his calf (and only mostly lost before that).
HPF Bob
09-28-2013, 10:24 AM
C'mon Wade. Time to dial up the blitz packages.
SEATTLE Injury report
Max Unger C Arm Limited Participation in Practice Doubtful
Breno Giacomini T Knee Did Not Participate In Practice Doubtful
J.R. Sweezy G Back Full Participation in Practice Probable
On the Texans' report...
OT Duane Brown did not participate in practice and is listed as questionable.
CBs Johnathon Joseph and Kareen Jackson both listed as questionable.
WR Andre Johnson is listed as questionable.
There's a ton of guys listed as probable including Schaub, Foster, Daniels, Posey, Myers, Cushing and McCain.
Tim Dobbins is the only player declared OUT.
Saw a report that Andre was good to go.
What happened to Dobbins? Don't recall that one.
Texans win the toss and will receive. Martin downs the kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.
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Foster for 1.
Foster sweeps left for 16.
Schaub pressured has his pass batted down, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster for 2. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Schaub pressured throws inc. Texans have to punt.
Seahawks bring the punt back to their 29 yard line. Seahawks ball.
Deep pass to Rice is inc but they are going to get Joseph for PI. Places the ball at the Texan 37.
Lynch for 4.
Lynch for 3. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Wilson pressured throws inc. Seahawks to try a 48-yard FG.
Hauschka's FG is good.
Seahawks 3, Texans 0
11:11 left in the 1st quarter.
chuck
09-29-2013, 12:14 PM
Players drafted before Richard Sherman:
Brandon Harris
Roc Charmichael
Shiloh Keo
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 12:16 PM
Come on Texans.
Martin brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan 19. Texans ball.
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Screen to AJ goes for 12.
Tate for 11.
Tate for 1.
Pass to Graham goes all the way to the Seahawk 40, 1st down.
Pass to AJ complete at the Seahawk 23, 1st down.
Foster for about 2.
Tate for 3. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass is tipped about 4 times and is INT'ed by the Seahawks. Seahawks ball at their 9. 6:22 left in the 1st quarter.
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 12:23 PM
Crap, questionable throw in coverage, bobbled and int when looked like a for sure score. Maybe defense gets it right back.
Lynch for 3 or 4.... Flag down.....Holding on Seahawks, places the ball at the Seahawk 5, 1st and 14.
Flags presnap, offsides Seahawks, 1/2 the distance. 1st and 17 coming up.
Lynch busts out for the 43 yard gain.
Turbin gets 7.
Turbin TFL'ed by Watt. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Wilson sacked by Smith! Seahawks have to punt.
Seahawks down the punt at the Texan 10. 2:47 left in the 1st quarter.
Foster runs for no gain.
Dumpoff pass to Foster goes for about 31 up the sideline.
Pass to AJ good to the Seahawk 43, 1st down.
Foster for no gain.
Pass to Graham goes for 12. Ball at the Seahawk 31.
End of the 1st quarter.
Schaub hits Graham over the middle for the TD! 31 yards.
Texans 7, Seahawks 3
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 12:38 PM
Nice pass protection by OL on TD pass to Garrett Graham, nice drive.
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 12:41 PM
Man, how did Texans not recover fumble on kickoff. Hope we start making the turnovers.
Seahawks bring the ensuing kickoff back and fumble!! Seahawks recover, however. Seahawks ball at their 24.
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Lynch for 4.
Pass to G Tate goes for 6 and the 1st down.
Wilson caught behind the LOS by Mercilus for no gain.
Flags down.....Offsides on Watt makes it 2nd and 5 coming up.
Wilson's short pass to G Tate goes for 1. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Wilson's pass is broken up by JJo, inc. Seahawks have to punt.
Punt goes into the endzone, Texans ball at their 20.
Schaub's pass to OD goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster for 2. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Pass to AJ goes for 10 and a 1st down.
Screen to Foster goes to the Texan 45, 1st down.
Tate gets loose for 22 yards.
Tate for 3. 8:20 left in the half.
Screen to Tate only gets about 1 or 2. 3rd and 6 coming up.
What a catch! OD stretches out for a catch at the Seahawk 7.
Foster for 2. 2nd and goal from the 5.
Leak out pass to Foster goes for the TD!
Texans 14, Seahawks 3
6:11 left in the half.
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 12:55 PM
Ok, just need this to continue for four quarters please.
Seahawks down the ensuing kickoff in their endzone, touchback. Seahawks ball at their 20.
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Fumble!!!!!! Texans recover! Lynch fumbles from a Cushing tackle. Texans ball at the Seahawk 19.
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Pass to AJ near the goal line sails inc.
Foster shoots through the line for 6. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Dink pass to Graham over the middle goes to the 5. 1st and goal.
Schaub pressured throws inc. 2nd and goal coming up.
Foster for maybe 1. 3rd and goal from the 4 coming up.
Schaub can't find a receiver and throws it away, inc. Texans to go for the FG.
Bullock's 22-yarder is good.
Texans 17, Seahawks 3
3:51 left in the half.
Seahawks down the ensuing kickoff in the endzone. Seahawks ball at their 20.
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Screen to Lynch goes for big gainer. 24 yards.
Lynch goes for 7.
Seahawks rush for 1. 3rd and 2 coming up. Ball at the Texan 48.
2 minute warning.
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Lynch is stopped short of the 1st down. Seahawks to punt.
Martin fair catches at the Texan 9 yard line. Texans ball.
Foster for about 4. Timeout Seahawks with 1:07 left in the half.
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On 2nd and 6, Foster gets about 2. 3rd and 4 coming up. Seahawks burn another timeout.
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Pass to Graham over his head but PI on the Seahawks gives an auto 1st down. Ball at the Texan 25.
Schaub's pass to Martin goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster gets loose for about 15. Ball at the Texan 40, 44 seconds left in the half.
Pass to OD gets 11. 38 seconds left.
Pass to OD gets 8. Texans use a timeout with 30 seconds left.
On 2nd and 2, deep pass to Hopkins is too long, inc. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Pass to AJ gets the 1st down at the Seahawk 30. 23 seconds left.
Schaub pressured, throws inc. 2nd and 10 coming up with 18 seconds left in the half.
Pass to Graham only gets a yard. 10 seconds left. A couple of Seahawks injured on the play. Injury timeout.
On 3rd and 9, Foster rushes for about 5. Timeout Texans to set up the FG attempt.
Bullock's 42-yarder is good but flags are down..... Seahawks had 12 men on the field. Penalty is declined, kick is good.
Texans 20, Seahawks 3
1 second left in the half.
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Squibby kickoff is downed by the Seahawks.
Halftime.
Halftime stats:
Passing: Schaub 17/27, 226 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT
Rushing: Foster 14/58, Tate 5/40
Receiving: Graham 5/69, AJ 5/66, Foster 3/50, OD 3/40, Tate 1/1
Tackles: Cushing 6, Watt 4, A Smith/KJ/Reed/Mercilus 2 each
Time of possession: Texans 18:31, Seahawks 11:29
1st downs: Texans 19, Seahawks 4
3rd down efficiency: Texans 4/8, Seahawks 0/4
Red zone: Texans 1/3, Seahawks 0/0
Total yards: Texans 324, Seahawks 88
Penalties: Texans 2/38, Seahawks 3/17
Turnovers: Texans 1, Seahawks 2
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 01:40 PM
Second half hope our pass rush keeps Seahawks passing game under control. First half Texans did really good both sides of the ball.
Keith
09-29-2013, 01:47 PM
On 3rd and 9, Foster rushes for about 5. Timeout Texans to set up the FG attempt.
Bullock's 42-yarder is good but flags are down..... Seahawks had 12 men on the field. Penalty is declined, kick is good.
Texans 20, Seahawks 3
Ok, I promise myself not to nitpick individual playcalls, but this one just is a headscratcher. But the Texans seem to turtle their offense in key moments like this 3rd down before the half. Run on 3rd and 9?
Seahawks bring the 2nd half kickoff back to their 25. Seahawks ball.
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Mercilus and Smith sack Wilson! Loss of 6.
Flags presnap. Offsides Seahawks -5. Brings up 2nd and 21.
Screen to Lynch gets 8. 3rd and 13 coming up.
Wilson can't find a receiver and has to scramble for 1. Seahawks have to punt.
Martin fields the punt and is tackled at the Texan 26. Penalty on Pleasant for unsportsmanlike, 1/2 the distance. Texans take over at their own 13.
Ok, I promise myself not to nitpick individual playcalls, but this one just is a headscratcher. But the Texans seem to turtle their offense in key moments like this 3rd down before the half. Run on 3rd and 9?
Makes the FG shorter?
Schaub's pass to OD is good for 21.
Foster dances for 6. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Foster for 3. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Foster to the Seahawk 47, 1st down.
Down goes Schaub, loss of 2. 2nd and 12 coming up.
Foster caught for loss of 3. 3rd and 15 coming up.
Schaub's pass is off the mark, inc. but Seahawks offsides +5 makes it 3rd and 10 coming up.
Schaub's pass to Foster goes inc. - a little behind him but he should have had it. Texans have to punt.
Punt is touched by a Texan at the Seahawk 20. Seahawk's ball.
chuck
09-29-2013, 02:00 PM
Ok, I promise myself not to nitpick individual playcalls, but this one just is a headscratcher. But the Texans seem to turtle their offense in key moments like this 3rd down before the half. Run on 3rd and 9?
I thought that was unquestionably the right call for the reason Arky gives. You've got ten seconds. Take the three and get the hell out of there.
Wilson pressured throws inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Lynch stopped for loss of 1. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Pass to Rice gets 11 and the 1st down.
Screen to Z Miller goes for about 7.
Wilson scrambles for 2. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Lynch caught in the backfield for no gain. Seahawks have to punt on 4th and 1.
Martin fair catches at the Texan 17. Texans ball.
Tate powers for about 4.
Oy, Tate fumbles and the Seahawks recover. Seahawks ball at the Texan 21.
Wilson's pass is tipped and sails inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Rice off the mark, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Wilson pressured throws inc. Seahawks to go for the FG.
Hauschka's 39-yarder is good.
Texans 20, Seahawks 6
3:54 left in the 3rd quarter.
Martin brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Texan 20. Texans ball.
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Dumpoff pass to Foster gets about 11 and the 1st down.
Dumpoff to Foster gets about 2.
Foster runs for about 10 and a 1st down.
Foster caught in the backfield for loss of 2.
Schaub's pass to Martin at the sideline goes inc. 3rd and 12 coming up. Ball at the Texans 44.
Pass to OD gets 6. Texans have to punt.
Lechler's punt is fielded by Tate and he steps out of bounds at the 3. Penalty on Seahawks for holding, 1/2 the distance. Seahawks ball at their 2.
Wilson fumbles the snap but covers it up. Loss of 1.
End of the 3rd quarter.
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 02:30 PM
Cushing out with a concussion. That changes our defense.
Lucky we had offnsive pass interference on Seattle in endzone.
On 2nd and 11, short pass to Coleman gets 4. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Deep pass to Baldwin along the sideline is initially ruled inc. Seahawks challenge that it was a catch.....
Play is ruled a catch. Seahawks ball and a 1st down at their 29.
Wilson scrambles for nice gainer. 25 yards.
Lynch for 4.
Lynch for 17 and a 1st down. Ball at the Texan 25.
Wilson's pass into the endzone is complete for the TD but the receiver pushed off. Places the ball at the Texan 35, 1st and 20.
Deep pass to G Tate sails inc. 2nd and 20 coming up.
Wilson scrambles for 13. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Pass to Baldwin is complete at the Texan 14, 1st down.
Flags presnap. Offsides Seahawk -5. 1st and 15 coming up.
Wilson is sacked! Mercilus and Watt on the sack. 2nd and 24 coming up.
Wilson keeps it and sweeps left for 11. 3rd and 13 coming up.
Pass to Tate gets about 10..... 4th and 2 coming up. Seahawks to go for it.
Wilson scrambles for 4. 1st and goal Seahawks at the 3 yard line.
Pitch out to Lynch sweeping left gets the easy TD.
Texans 20, Seahawks 13.
7:43 left in the 4th quarter.
Keith
09-29-2013, 02:37 PM
Oy, Tate fumbles and the Seahawks recover. Seahawks ball at the Texan 21.
This one play really negates a lot of the good things Tate has been doing this season.
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 02:39 PM
Yep, we need a few points and a time consuming drive here.
That didn't happen.
Let's go defense.
Martin downs the ensuing kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.
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Pass to AJ goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Down goes Schaub. Loss of 9. 3rd and 19 coming up.
Short pass to Martin gets 5. Texans have to punt.
G Tate brings the punt back to the Texan 47. Seahawks ball with 6:18 left in the game.
Wilson pressured throws inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Lynch for 1 or 2. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Hey, hey, hey..... Wilson's pass is INT'ed by JJo! Texans ball!
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 02:48 PM
Yes, good int for JJo.
Now look for ground and pound by Texans.
Texans ball at their 43.
Foster gets in a scrum for 6 yards. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Foster for 4 and a 1st down.
Foster for about 5. A little over 3 minutes left in the game.
Foster for maybe 2. Timeout Seahawks. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Oy, Schaub's pass is complete to Sherman for a patented pick 6.
Texans 20, Seahawks 20
2:40 left in the game.
Joshua
09-29-2013, 02:52 PM
Great play by the D to get the ball back, but that last offensive possession is why I'm basically convinced we'll never win it all with Schaub. Desperately needing to answer with a drive of our own, Schaub goes 3 and out and gives up a completely avoidable sack because his fear of playing tackle football greatly exceeds his desire to win football games.
Joshua
09-29-2013, 02:52 PM
And then he does that.
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 02:53 PM
What did Matt Schaub just do? Bad, bad , and that really hurts a good game up to there by Schaub. Geez. Very upsetting behavior by Schaub.
Well, gotta score here.
Martin downs the ensuing kickoff in the endzone, touchback. Texans ball at their 20.
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Pass to AJ good for 17.
Pass to AJ good for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
2 minute warning.
Foster for no gain. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Timeout Texans.
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Pass to OD goes for short gain and the 1st down.
Down goes Schaub and so do some flags..... Illegal formation on Texans is declined. 2nd and 20 coming up.
Pass to Hopkins goes for about 15. 3rd and 5 coming up. 34 seconds left in the game.
Timeout Seahawks (2nd). Both teams have 1 timeout left.
Schaub's pass is batted away inc. 4th down coming up. 28 seconds left. Texans to punt.
G Tate fair catches the punt at the Seahawk 11.
Seahawks kneel it.
We're going to overtime.....
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 03:05 PM
Turnovers mostly by Schaub are killing us.
Texans to receive on OT.
Texans win the toss in OT and will receive.
Total yards: Texans 443, Seahawks 225
1st downs: Texans 26, Seahawks 11
And yet we're headed to OT....
Martin downs the OT kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.
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Foster for maybe 2.
Pass to AJ goes for about 13 and a 1st down.
Dump off pass to G Jones gets 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Checkdown to Foster gets 5. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Pass to AJ off the mark, inc. Texans to punt.
Lechler's punt goes into the endzone. Seahawks ball at their 20.
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 03:14 PM
Oh boy, did we need sack by Reed. Need a stop. FG either side wins.
Short pass to Lynch gets about 10 but flag on Sharpton for horsecollar. Places the ball at the Seahawk 48.
Reed with the sack! Makes it 2nd and 20 coming up.
Pass to the back is off the mark, inc. 3rd and 20 coming up.
Wilson scrambles for about 15. Seahawks have to punt.
Martin fair catches about the Texan 12 1/2 yard line. Texans ball.
Schaub's pass is tipped and sails inc. 2nd and 10 coming up. 10:24 left in OT.
Pass to Hopkins gets about 11 and the 1st down at the Texan 24.
Foster changes direction to avoid a loss and ends up with no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to AJ gets 6. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Pass to AJ goes inc but PI on the Seahawks gives the Texans an auto 1st down at their 49.
Down goes Schaub. Loss of 9. 2nd and 19 coming up.
Schaub's pass is batted down inc. 3rd and 19 coming up.
Schaub pressured scrambles for 5. Texans to punt.
Lechler's punt is fielded about the 6 yard line and tackled there. Flag down..... Pleasant ran out of bounds on the punt.... Rekick 4th down....
G Tate brings the punt all the way back to the 31 yard line. Seahawks ball.
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 03:26 PM
We have some bad tackling on that punt reurn.
Russell Wilson can sure run
Man, penalties killong us now.
Seattle on Texans 33. Yiles.
Lynch goes left side for about 6. A little over 6 minutes left in OT.
Wilson scrambles for the 1st down at the Seahawk 44.
Lynch loses 2. TFL by Watt. 2nd and 12 coming up.
Pass is complete to Baldwin for about 6. KJ penalized for body slamming the receiver. 15 yards. Places the ball at the Texan 36.
Lynch for 3.
Lynch for 5 or 6. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Timeout Seahawks.
Wilson's pass is broken up, inc. Seahawks to go for the game-winning FG.
Hauschka's 45-yarder is good.
Final Score:
Seahawks 23, Texans 20
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 03:36 PM
Ok, do we have a QB controversy?
Keith
09-29-2013, 03:41 PM
Ok, do we have a QB controversy?
Probably not, but today was the first time I had hoped for Yates to be under center when Schaub was able to. Immediately after the pick 6, the QB would have been Yates for me.
Huge brain fart from Schaub today.
HPF Bob
09-29-2013, 03:54 PM
As much as I want to dump on Schaub, the major problem was the offensive line. People are figuring out that all we do, even on third and long, is dink and dunk passes because we have no confidence in our line.
Secondly, Pleasant should be cut. Two major ST mistakes in one game = waiver wire.
I swear Matt Schaub is the only quarterback in the league they allow to take head shots on a regular basis without ever throwing a flag. There were two obvious ones I saw, including the one where the Seahawk defender went to the hospital.
Whether it's cheap-shotted, kicked in the nuts or anything else, the Texans never retaliate. Never.
chuck
09-29-2013, 03:54 PM
Probably not, but today was the first time I had hoped for Yates to be under center when Schaub was able to. Immediately after the pick 6, the QB would have been Yates for me.
Huge brain fart from Schaub today.
Nothing will change until Kubiak's gone and I don't see Bob firing that idiot as long as the Texans keep raking in money.
Big Texas
09-29-2013, 04:01 PM
We can give the whole politically correct response all we want to...but the truth of he matter is all we had to do was run the clock out and we win and Shaub damn near threw a pass with his eyes closed...then he damn near threw another one in overtime...not to mention the redzone pick he threw early on...consistent critical ill timed mistakes by your offensive captain....he needs to go...NOW...no more incomplete games
barrett
09-29-2013, 04:01 PM
Nothing will change until Kubiak's gone and I don't see Bob firing that idiot as long as the Texans keep raking in money.
If that is true Kubiak needs to go. I've seen nothing that would convince me we would hold onto Schaub no matter what. We have had no problem replacing guys. Especially since I think Rick Smith would be the ultimate decision maker on that.
Either way we lost last week giving up 236 yards and lost this week giving up 270 (with an extra two OT possessions). When you can play that kind of defense against what are supposed to be good offenses and superbowl contenders, you should not be losing. The number one responsibility for your offense in that situation is to hold onto the ball and Tate and Schaub blew it. We could have kneeled down the 4th quarter and won. Ridiculous.
chuck
09-29-2013, 04:07 PM
The team should be 4-0 and they should not have played a close game.
barrett
09-29-2013, 04:11 PM
The team should be 4-0 and they should not have played a close game.
Are they that much more talented than the rest of the NFL that they should be the only untested team in the league and should blow out Baltimore and Seattle? With Matt Schaub at QB? Really? And what stands in the way of that?
Joshua
09-29-2013, 04:15 PM
As much as I want to dump on Schaub, the major problem was the offensive line. People are figuring out that all we do, even on third and long, is dink and dunk passes because we have no confidence in our line.
Secondly, Pleasant should be cut. Two major ST mistakes in one game = waiver wire.
I swear Matt Schaub is the only quarterback in the league they allow to take head shots on a regular basis without ever throwing a flag. There were two obvious ones I saw, including the one where the Seahawk defender went to the hospital.
Whether it's cheap-shotted, kicked in the nuts or anything else, the Texans never retaliate. Never.
Didnt Seattle just beat us with an ever bigger piecemeal o-line than Ours? Isn't denver trotting out backups at multiple spots on the offensive line?
If you're waiting on the day that our o-line is good and healthy for 16 weeks, our running game is firing on all cylinders and none of our RBs ever turns it over, we have 2 lockdown corners and a better pass rush from our OLBs and whatever else you think this team needs to get over the hump, I'll save you 3 hours every Sunday. That day is never coming. Nobody has that. In fact, take out the QB, and I'm not sure there's a better roster in football (anyone you like more, setting aside the QB?). Nobody has all the pieces. How you cover up your inevitable deficiencies is good QB play. Trying to patch up everything else is simply shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.
Joshua
09-29-2013, 04:18 PM
If that is true Kubiak needs to go. I've seen nothing that would convince me we would hold onto Schaub no matter what. We have had no problem replacing guys. Especially since I think Rick Smith would be the ultimate decision maker on that.
Either way we lost last week giving up 236 yards and lost this week giving up 270 (with an extra two OT possessions). When you can play that kind of defense against what are supposed to be good offenses and superbowl contenders, you should not be losing. The number one responsibility for your offense in that situation is to hold onto the ball and Tate and Schaub blew it. We could have kneeled down the 4th quarter and won. Ridiculous.
Complete speculation but i don't think Schaub is treated like the rest of them. Because Kubiak is the supposed QB guru, i think this is the one position Smith defers almost exclusively to Kubiak. I base this on his 2 contracts and his complete lack of competition during his tenure here. Nobody else has had the luxuries Schaub has. I attribute this to Kubiak, but again, that's a guess.
barrett
09-29-2013, 04:29 PM
Complete speculation but i don't think Schaub is treated like the rest of them. Because Kubiak is the supposed QB guru, i think this is the one position Smith defers almost exclusively to Kubiak. I base this on his 2 contracts and his complete lack of competition during his tenure here. Nobody else has had the luxuries Schaub has. I attribute this to Kubiak, but again, that's a guess.
That could be. I would guess that if it is true then Kubiak is reaching a point where he needs to stop protecting or go down with the ship.
But I am not convinced that is how it is. Nobody ever brings in competition for their QB. You either replace your QB or you don't. You bring in competition and you setup a lame duck TB situation where you are cutting your QB's legs off. If Kubiak is protecting him I would guess it is just about his QB rep, since nobody creates 'competition' at QB on purpose. As for the 2 contracts, one was the initial one, and that was a good one. We wanted a guy to get us to the playoffs and replace David Carr. We obviously didn't want to bottom out and go high draft pick. Schaub was a good QB for a team looking to grow, he just didn't grow with the rest of the team. He is what he is. We got great mileage out of him for the talent and what it cost us. The 2nd contract was the bad one. We were clearly not sold on him and didn't extend him early and then got cold feet the day before the season and locked him up last year. A mistake, but Schaub's absence in the 2011 playoffs left the slight possibility hanging in the air we could do it with him. Strangely Schaub's injury got him a free pass and a lot of money that he never sees if he is healthy and spitting the bit in 2011.
chuck
09-29-2013, 04:36 PM
No one brings in competition for their quarterback? How the hell did Wilson and Kaepernick come to be starters?
barrett
09-29-2013, 04:43 PM
No one brings in competition for their quarterback? How the hell did Wilson and Kaepernick come to be starters?
Who did they replace?
Seattle drafted one guy and signed another. They got two guys to compete and once one had the job they got rid of the other. They did not bring in competition for the established guy.
In SF Smith was never Harbaugh's guy. He inherited him, tried to replace him and struck out (manning), and then replaced him. And again, as soon as they made the switch they got Smith out of town because nobody actually wants competition at QB.
When a guy is an established starter you replace him or you don't (or you go Greg Schiano and half replace him and ruin his ability to play QB for your team because the whole team knows you don't want him). And we should have replaced ours. Not replacing him cost us a season (the last of AJ being AJ?), and might cost a whole bunch of people there job.
Joshua
09-29-2013, 04:49 PM
Who did they replace?
Seattle drafted one guy and signed another. They got two guys to compete and once one had the job they got rid of the other. They did not bring in competition for the established guy.
In SF Smith was never Harbaugh's guy. He inherited him, tried to replace him and struck out (manning), and then replaced him. And again, as soon as they made the switch they got Smith out of town because nobody actually wants competition at QB.
When a guy is an established starter you replace him or you don't (or you go Greg Schiano and half replace him and ruin his ability to play QB for your team because the whole team knows you don't want him).
You're right that Smith was Harbaugh's guy but you're greatly underselling how that went down. Smith was coming off a 13-3 season and an appearance in the NFC championship game and was the highest rated passer in the NFL when he got hurt. You're a good poster who prides himself on being reasonable and relying on the facts (a good natured dig after your minor scuffle here last week), so let's deal with what actually happened. Benching Smith at that time was huge.
popanot
09-29-2013, 04:52 PM
Problem is the season isn't at a critical stage yet and Schaub does just well enough to where it's almost impossible to take him out. However, there is no doubt Schaub's skills have declined considerably. He is no threat to run (obviously), no threat to hit the deep ball, rarely leads his receivers to where they can get YAC, and, who doesn't cringe every time he throws a sideline pattern now? He has no zip on his passes at all. Top that off with his mind-numbing bonehead play(s) of the game and this is what you get. Nothing will change until the season is lost or Schaub gets hurt.
barrett
09-29-2013, 04:58 PM
You're right that Smith was Harbaugh's guy but you're greatly underselling how that went down. Smith was coming off a 13-3 season and an appearance in the NFC championship game and was the highest rated passer in the NFL when he got hurt. You're a good poster who prides himself on being reasonable and relying on the facts (a good natured dig after your minor scuffle here last week), so let's deal with what actually happened. Benching Smith at that time was huge.
It was. Sorry I undersold it as it wasn't my intention. I wasn't talking about the situation being small. When Harbaugh did that it was shocking, took huge balls, a bigger ego, and was potentially smart or maybe (still to this point) really stupid.
My point wasn't about the decision, it was about the fact that Harbaugh was clearly NEVER sold on Smith. They won that first year with running game and defense. Then they tried to replace him and couldn't. Then Harbaugh bold face lied and said they didn't. Then Smith actually played really well and Harbaugh still replaced him. And then got rid of him. It was clear in retrospect (no matter how shocking it was at the time) that Harbaugh never wanted Smith. When he drafted Kaepernick, Smith was terrible and had never played a down for Harbaugh.
It was definitely not a case of Smith being Harbaugh's QB and then Harbaugh went out and spent a 2nd round pick on a guy who could challenge him for the job. That doesn't happen in the NFL. You keep your QB until you don't believe in him and then you replace him and get rid of him as quick as possible. Kubiak/Smith should have reached this point with Schaub. But I sincerely hope another average year from Schaub gets him replaced, not brought back with competition.
barrett
09-29-2013, 05:01 PM
Problem is the season isn't at a critical stage yet and Schaub does just well enough to where it's almost impossible to take him out. However, there is no doubt Schaub's skills have declined considerably. He is no threat to run (obviously), no threat to hit the deep ball, rarely leads his receivers to where they can get YAC, and, who doesn't cringe every time he throws a sideline pattern now? He has no zip on his passes at all. Top that off with his mind-numbing bonehead play(s) of the game and this is what you get. Nothing will change until the season is lost or Schaub gets hurt.
So sad and so true. I actually hoped at the start of the last 2 seasons for us to tank so we would see changes at HC/QB somewhere else that matters.
Ok, do we have a QB controversy?
You have to have something in waiting to have a controversy. We do not have that.
Nconroe
09-29-2013, 05:59 PM
Could be but we aren't sure. Yates and Keenum may not have got us to up 20-3 at halftime today, but they likely wouldn't have lobbed a pick six to opposing CB three games in a row either.
Seems to be 3 threads debating how Schaub needs to go when.
nunusguy
10-01-2013, 06:20 PM
If you think you had a bad Sunday watching the Texans, try sitting in a Sports Bar in Montana with a full house of SeaHawk fans while yelling for the Texans as they dominted the game for 3 quarters then ended up losing in OT. That was a humbling experience.
Talked to my wife on the phone back in Houston and she said the town is ready to lynch Schaub. How many pic 6s for him since joining the Texans ? Three just this year, right ?
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