Cushing Injured in Jets Game on MNF

[TheMatrix31]

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Son of a bitch.

[chuck]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4vFKOWCcAAsRKU.jpg

Son of a bitch.

That was a disgusting cheap shot. I don't understand why no one else seems to be upset about it.

[Nconroe]

Slauson ought to be fined for intentiomal cut block in knees from tthe rear.

The league should make that illegal if done on anyone anytime.

[TheMatrix31]

Looks like he's out for the year with a torn ACL.

I am so ****************ing sick of my players getting hurt on dirty ass plays from a-hole opponents.

I hope Slauson gets nailed for this. He intentionally went back and dove at Cushing's knee.

Tweet @nfl and @nflcommish to urge them to review this.

[WMH]

SR610: According to SR610's John McClain, Texans ILB Brian Cushing suffered a torn ACL Monday night and is done for the season. http://cbsloc.al/UBNhUm

[popanot]

Twitter:

Clay Matthews III - ‏@ClayMatthews52
Where is the NFL's protection on blocks below the waist like that on Cushing. Double standard!

[HPF Bob]

Twitter:

Bob Hulsey ‏@BobHulseyTX

@nflcommish Please review the hit on Brian Cushing that tore his ACL. No flag? No fine? No fair!

[popanot]

What do we do to replace Cush....??? I guess the options are:

1) Use what we have and hope Sharpton comes back, can stay healthy, and performs - Highly unlikely and unreliable, IMO.

2) Hope like hell Dobbins, etc can perform at a high level - Highly unlikely, IMO

3) Trade for a player - If there's ever a season to go all-in and make a trade this would be the one, IMO. I'd love to see them make a deal for a good ILB, and worse case, he'd be an upgrade to James for next year when Cushing hopefully returns. However, we all know Smith and Kubiak are fairly conservative and will likely play it safe and go sign a veteran FA ILB like Stephen Cooper or Barret Rudd for depth with the hope they find youth in a bottle.

4) Pilfer a Practice Squad - This is obviously a gamble since, well, you're getting an unproven player that's sitting on a PS. There must be a reason for that, right? If they decide to go this route, Josh Bynes w/BALT looks intriguing. He's on a 3-4 defensive team with major LB talent in front of him so maybe there's some real talent there and he'd be somewhat of a lower risk pickup than a PS ILB from another team.

http://auburn.scout.com/a.z?s=6&p=8&c=1&nid=2392584

Any other trade possibilities or PS players you can think of?? Man, this sucks!

[WMH]

Best case scenario, we won't get Sharpton back at full speed until after the bye week.

And yes, this really, really, sucks.

:(

[popanot]

Best case scenario, we won't get Sharpton back at full speed until after the bye week.Problem with Sharpton is he can't stay on the field. I think the team is fooling themselves if they really believe they can rely on him as an option.

[popanot]

Well, looks like the worst has happened. Torn ACL. Expect Kubes to officially announce it shortly.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/09/source-cushing-torn-acl-is-confirmed/related/

[WMH]

From LZ.

http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2012/10/here-are-the-texans-options-for-replacing-brian-cushing/

[HPF Bob]

Zeirlein's article is very good. I wouldn't mind dropping a second or a third on the right player. Remember we have the aging Bradie James as a place-holder opposite Cushing so we have a place for a good player in 2013 and beyond. We also have some excess in the offensive line and could see us offering, say, Caldwell and a fifth if a third seems too steep.

This is what top teams do. They fill holes while the window of opportunity is there. Let's not be cheap about this beyond what the salary cap limitations are.

[barrett]

Who are we trading the 3rd for?

[WMH]

Who are we trading the 3rd for?

That's the problem......

[barrett]

I know everyone thinks it's a great idea, but what team has an extra middle LB laying around (and why is he an extra). Who is going to deal a guy who is worth having in the middle of the season. Do the people suggesting it have a name in mind or is it just "unnamed but better than Dobbins and worth roughly a 2nd or 3rd guy who plays 34 ILB."

[painekiller]

I know everyone thinks it's a great idea, but what team has an extra middle LB laying around (and why is he an extra). Who is going to deal a guy who is worth having in the middle of the season. Do the people suggesting it have a name in mind or is it just "unnamed but better than Dobbins and worth roughly a 2nd or 3rd guy who plays 34 ILB."

LZ's article mentions some names that could be candidates for a trade, with Tavares Gooden, ILB, 49′ers as the most interesting. Gooden is behind two pro bowl level starters, is on a one year contract, and according to LZ the 49ers might be interested if we offered a 3rd, but then again they might not be willing to trade their depth.

[WMH]

LZ's article mentions some names that could be candidates for a trade, with Tavares Gooden, ILB, 49′ers as the most interesting. Gooden is behind two pro bowl level starters, is on a one year contract, and according to LZ the 49ers might be interested if we offered a 3rd, but then again they might not be willing to trade their depth.

Just my opinion, but why would a team with Superbowl aspirations trade depth for future picks? I would think a trade partner, if that's the route to go, would come from the bottom quarter of the league.

[HPF Bob]

I did a little more digging last night regarding teams who might deal players and who they have and what they might want and, unfortunately, most of the guys who fit the descriptions are playing hurt right now which make them real iffy to deal.

Derrick Johnson of the Chiefs would be an excellent addition as he has really blossomed since KC went to a 3-4 and they moved him inside. Unfortunately, he's only in year two or a five-year deal and his guaranteed money is actually quite tame so he would be hard to pry loose even if the Chiefs are inclined to give up their season and Johnson might not fit under the cap.

I also looked at the Cowboys for any more guys who might have been in Phillips' system. No way the Cowboys part with Sean Lee and the other starting ILB is nicked plus I doubt Jerry Jones is anywhere close to throwing in the towel.

Barrett Ruud is out there unsigned so, if we trade, one thing we'd need to ask is whether that person is worth more than simply signing Ruud. I really don't want to risk expecting Sharpton to come back and be healthy. I'd rather find more depth somewhere.

[WMH]

Rudd being signed is about all you could expect of the street at this point. May continue to tinker/look for trades, but that's just not the NFL's thing. Not to mention, with our cap situation, its going to be a lower tiered guy anyway.

[nunusguy]

Derrick Johnson of the Chiefs would be an excellent addition as he has really blossomed since KC went to a 3-4 and they moved him inside. Unfortunately, he's only in year two or a five-year deal and his guaranteed money is actually quite tame so he would be hard to pry loose even if the Chiefs are inclined to give up their season and Johnson might not fit under the cap.


Signing a Derrick Johnson would put us right back into a Cushing-DeMeco type situation after this year when Cushing is back with the team and on the field.

[HPF Bob]

Signing a Derrick Johnson would put us right back into a Cushing-DeMeco type situation after this year when Cushing is back with the team and on the field.

No it doesn't. The other ILB for the Texans is Bradie James. Cushing-Johnson would not be a problem. The problem with Cushing-DeMeco was that DeMeco was a pure MLB and didn't adjust to being a 3-4 ILB.

[barrett]

No it doesn't. The other ILB for the Texans is Bradie James. Cushing-Johnson would not be a problem. The problem with Cushing-DeMeco was that DeMeco was a pure MLB and didn't adjust to being a 3-4 ILB.

I agree 100%. You can have 2 great 34 ILBs and maybe even pay two (the 49ers do). But when one of those guys is simply not a 34 LB (inside or outside), you are in a Demeco/Cushing situation.

I would have no problem with a deal for Derrick Johnson. I know he is a 3 down LB and an upgrade I'd pay for at this point.

But we saw Rudd in the preseason and I like Dobbins more (I actually like Dobbins more than James). Rudd as the 3rd ILB is fine, but I am not even convinced he is a real step up from Alexander.

And maybe Sharpton can't be counted on in a regular situation because of health, but this is not a regular situation. I'd rather have a few games of Sharpton if he is temporarily healthy, than someone off the scrap heap.

So basically, unless a guy like Johnson falls in our lap I think we are going forward with what we have, and probably more of Nolan/Demps/Keo/McCain/Harris?, or even Reed as a standing LB in Dime situations.

[Joshua]

No it doesn't. The other ILB for the Texans is Bradie James. Cushing-Johnson would not be a problem. The problem with Cushing-DeMeco was that DeMeco was a pure MLB and didn't adjust to being a 3-4 ILB.

The biggest problem with Demeco was his contract. Same with Winston. Both were solid starters, good teammates and even team leaders (more Demeco here than Winston). If they had been on the books at $1 mill each, I have no doubt both would still be here. While Demeco is a better fit in a 4-3 than a 3-4, he was not such a liability that this was why he was shipped off. I don't think anybody thinks we upgraded with Brady James. It's just that Brady James cost about 1/8 of what Demeco was going to cost.

[HPF Bob]

Good point, Joshua. Ryans wasn't giving us the production that matched his salary. Not sure that James is either but he's not costing as much.

[Warren]

The biggest problem with Demeco was his contract. Same with Winston. Both were solid starters, good teammates and even team leaders (more Demeco here than Winston). If they had been on the books at $1 mill each, I have no doubt both would still be here. While Demeco is a better fit in a 4-3 than a 3-4, he was not such a liability that this was why he was shipped off. I don't think anybody thinks we upgraded with Brady James. It's just that Brady James cost about 1/8 of what Demeco was going to cost.Yeah, DeMeco signed the big contract after the 2009 season when he was a Pro Bowler and an every-down player. Last season, though, he was no longer part of the nickel defense and Sharpton had cut in on his snaps early in the year. With his cap number he just wasn't the same value, especially for a team squeezing to get under the cap, so they opted to try to get by with the significantly cheaper James/Sharpton combination.

[TheMatrix31]

Any word on whether this son of a bitch dirty punk thug Matt Slauson will be punished for his transgressions by the NFL?

[barrett]

The NFL wasn't going to do anything since he plays defense, and Cushing is the only tough guy we have who might have done something on the field. So Slauson gets to take a cheap shot and face no repercussions of any kind.

[today]

If after a few games we can't fill the hole that Cushing left, I like the idea of trading a pick for LB help before the Week 8 deadline. How much cap room do we have?

[chuck]

Any word on whether this son of a bitch dirty punk thug Matt Slauson will be punished for his transgressions by the NFL?

He was hit with a staggering $10,000 fine. That'll teach him.

[HPF Bob]

I think the $10K fine was the NFL's way of saying "it was a blatant cheap shot that deserved to be fined but it was technically legal because it was done near the line of scrimmage and Cushing was not engaged with another player". You can argue (as some on boards have) whether that was technically a hit from behind but it's obvious that Cushing could not have seen it coming.

[Joshua]

FWIW, Steve McKinney was on 1560 the other morning and was asked about the hit and he basically said that he didn't see anything wrong with it and it was something he has done countless times. While it sucks for Cushing, it's legal, most OL are coached to do it, and that's just football.

Probably doesn't help that we're about the last team that can complain about cut blocking either.

[Arky]

Ya, I think the worst thing was that Cushings foot was planted right when the hit began..... just really bad timing...

[nunusguy]

No it doesn't. The other ILB for the Texans is Bradie James. Cushing-Johnson would not be a problem. The problem with Cushing-DeMeco was that DeMeco was a pure MLB and didn't adjust to being a 3-4 ILB.
Only one non-OLB in Wade's defense remains on the field in nickel situations and therefor only one of them is an "every-down" player which means having a lot invested/big contract in both DJ & Cushing wouldn't be feasible (cap wise) just as it wasn't with both DeMeco & Cushing on the roster. If it was "money was no object", we would certainly still have DeMeco along with Cushing, but as a part-time player, Demeco was a luxury we just couldn't afford while James isn't that expensive as a part-timer.

[HPF Bob]

But DJ's salary averages $3M/yr over the remaining years which isn't that bad plus we might want to let Cushing's knee heal next year by not demanding he be on the field so much. Anyway, I don't think the Chiefs do this deal unless they are really ready to pull the plug on this year and start trading away assets. They're starting Brady Quinn for Matt Cassel this week but I don't think that's a sign they are giving up yet.

[barrett]

Plus I've seen nothing that says Wade's system prevents a 2nd ILB from being on the field in passing downs. It is just a matter of who is the best guy to defend the pass in obvious passing situations. Logically it is your 4 best pass rushers, your best 6 DBs, and a MLB who can cover/zone a bit. But not always. This year Cushing has been less in coverage and actually blitzes a fair amount or spies and then rushes when he determines the spy is not needed.

That is why on passing downs I actually think we could actually get away with mixing in a standing Brooks Reed in the middle the rest of the year. He is definitely not a MLB, but if 5 are coming, why not. To avoid tendencies he can still occasionally drop into zone blitz coverage (as can Barwin a tiny bit), so you could still bring a DB for confusion's sake. But if it comes down to Brady James/Dobbins/Ruud not covering a RB/TE or Brooks Reed being an obvious 5th pass rusher, I'd go with Reed.

[Keith]

I think that's an especially interesting idea re: Reed with the pass-happy Packers in town this weekend. They're miserable at running the ball, and teams are having a field day getting to Aaron Rodgers this season.

[nunusguy]

But DJ's salary averages $3M/yr over the remaining years which isn't that bad plus we might want to let Cushing's knee heal next year by not demanding he be on the field so much. Anyway, I don't think the Chiefs do this deal unless they are really ready to pull the plug on this year and start trading away assets. They're starting Brady Quinn for Matt Cassel this week but I don't think that's a sign they are giving up yet.
I got to see a couple of the Chiefs games last year and Johnson was outstanding, actually I thought he was the best ILB in the AFC last year (yes, that includes Cushing). But if we could get him at a discount, for modest money that wouldn't be DeMeco ballpark money then perhaps a deal would be feasible if the Chiefs were interested ? BTW, DJ very soon will be 30 so he's 2 years older than DeMeco - another reason not to invest too much in him.

[today]

But DJ's salary averages $3M/yr

We don't have enough cap room to absorb $3m do we?

[HPF Bob]

After the restructuring was done on Schaub, who knows? There probably isn't cap room but there always seems to be a way to make this stuff work. The Patriots never seem to have trouble bringing in a veteran when they need one.

[today]

Chiefs lost again today, their season is just about over. Make the call Rick!

[Warren]

Any word on Sharpton? The three-week window for him to start practicing opened this week, and when (or if) he starts practicing they'll have three weeks to decide whether to activate him or put him on IR. Kubiak said after the Jets game that Sharpton wasn't ready to come back as of that point.

[WMH]

Any word on Sharpton? The three-week window for him to start practicing opened this week, and when (or if) he starts practicing they'll have three weeks to decide whether to activate him or put him on IR. Kubiak said after the Jets game that Sharpton wasn't ready to come back as of that point.

Best case is after the bye. Worst case is.....

Kubiak hasn't sounded real optimistic when he's been asked.

[painekiller]

Kubiak hasn't sounded real optimistic when he's been asked.

It's sounding more like he is IR bound. That is a tough injury to come back from and his set back that he had right before training camp appears to be more serious then were lead to believe when it happened.

[painekiller]

It's sounding more like he is IR bound. That is a tough injury to come back from and his set back that he had right before training camp appears to be more serious then were lead to believe when it happened.

Seems I was wrong about this one as well as the many other things I am wrong about.

from Alan Burge
Here's what Kubiak had to say:

(on ILB Darryl Sharpton’s status) “I thought it was next week (when he could come off PUP), because I’ll be honest with you, I wasn’t even thinking about it because I knew he wasn’t ready to come back this week. He could have practiced this week just like (LB Terrell) Suggs in Baltimore. He’s in the same situation, but he’s not ready. He’s very close. He’s working with our trainers and running very, very well. But he is not ready to go on the field with the rest of the players yet. I don’t know. He’s got another week next week so we’ll see where we’re at in a couple weeks here.” - houstontexans.com

[WMH]

Yep, that's a bit more optimistic. Sure would be nice to have him as another option, IF, he can go full speed.

[HPF Bob]

The bye week could be very helpful for Sharpton because if he's not ready this week, he'll have two weeks before the next time we'll need him.

[nunusguy]

With Cushing on the sidelines again in todays game, apparently he's still not had his surgery ?

[painekiller]

With Cushing on the sidelines again in todays game, apparently he's still not had his surgery ?

During the Monday press conference, when Kubiak annoinced Cush was out for the season, Kubiak stated that Cushing would be having the surgery after a 2 week wait for the swelling to subside.

So I expect him to have his surgery this week or next.

[Warren]

Sharpton should return to practice next week (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/11/ilb-darryl-sharpton-expects-to-practice-next-week/).