View Full Version : Official Texans @ Saints Fake Game Thread, 8/25/2012
Nconroe
08-24-2012, 05:03 PM
Sounds like Cushing still out.
Should be a really good test for defense and offense.
HPF Bob
08-24-2012, 05:24 PM
I can even see the Texans losing this game and not being too worried about it. The Saints will have an interesting strategy trying to account for the upcoming suspensions so it will be hard to know how they'll be. I could see the Texans pulling their big names out of the lineup at halftime even though this is the game that is supposed to be the dress rehearsal for the starters.
How long do you want to play guys like Foster, AJ and Schaub on turf when the game really means nothing and staying healthy is the most important thing?
painekiller
08-24-2012, 06:45 PM
I can even see the Texans losing this game and not being too worried about it. The Saints will have an interesting strategy trying to account for the upcoming suspensions so it will be hard to know how they'll be. I could see the Texans pulling their big names out of the lineup at halftime even though this is the game that is supposed to be the dress rehearsal for the starters.
How long do you want to play guys like Foster, AJ and Schaub on turf when the game really means nothing and staying healthy is the most important thing?
I see the starters coming out to start the 3rd quarter. Kubiak want to simulate a real game, and coming out in the 3rd quarter is something I can see him wanting to be practiced. He has already moved the daily practice to noon to simulate the noon kickoffs on most Sundays.
I am just glad we don't have to subject ourselves to Joel Myers.....
Game is on CBS this evening.
I am just glad we don't have to subject ourselves to Joel Myers.....
Game is on CBS this evening.
Eheh, after listening to Chris Berman and Trent Dilfer the other night, I'm OK with Joel Myers. Berman/Dilfer - those two together - oy. Myer's thing is he's a rental announcer from California hired by the Texans so he's not always on top of things. Since ABC (Ch 13) is not normally an NFL channel (like FOX and CBS), I don't think he gets a lot of help from the production department...
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Looks like there's a one hour pregame show on CBS prior to kickoff, I assume about the Texans....
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This game probably won't feature much of the "new Texans" since the starters will be playing for much of the game. Thursday's game against Minnesota should feature more of the 3rd and 4th string - the bubble guys...
barrett
08-25-2012, 12:14 PM
I hate preseason football because it is semi-pro, homer announcers. It is one of the best things about the NFL, national announcers for every game. They aren't all great but at least they aren't rooting for a team. I hate announcers rooting for a team (even my team). If I want whining about officials I will do it myself.
Well, well, well... Ian Eagle and Phil Simms...
Kickoff in a few......
Must be a national game...
Saints kickoff and drive it out of the endzone. Texans ball at the 20.
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Pass to OD goes for 16.
Pass to AJ gets 11.
TE screen to Graham gets about 7.
Tate hits the left side for about 7 and a 1st down. Ball at the Saints 38.
Tate get about 7 up the middle. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Schaub's pass to AJ broken up, inc.
Pass to AJ over the middle inc, but it looks like the Saints interfered. Yep, 1st and 10 at the Saints 27.
Schaub hits Graham for big gainer inside the 5. Ball at the 1.
Tate pushes it in for the TD!
Texans 7, Saints 0
11:03 left in the 1st quarter.
Warren
08-25-2012, 07:14 PM
Nice play by Newton on that drive.
barrett
08-25-2012, 07:15 PM
That's how you play offense.
Also, doesn't look like dreesen will be missed much.
Big Texas
08-25-2012, 07:17 PM
After that all I need to see is a three and out...or a couple sacks...no injuries and I am satisfied...Newton looked pretty solid.
Saints bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 19.
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Dumpoff to Thomas gets about 9.
Deep pass to Henderson inc. KJ right there with him.... 3rd and 1 coming up.
Ivory hits it up the middle but stumbles and GQ nails him causing a fumble. Texans recover! Ball at the Saints 40.
Keith
08-25-2012, 07:21 PM
Wow, Glover Quin with the hit.
...after Kareem when step for step with Henderson.
Keith
08-25-2012, 07:23 PM
Man, squint a little bit on that catch, and Lestar Jean sure looked like Angry Dre.
Pass to Casey in the flat gets 5.
Foster got caught in the backfield for -3 but flag on the play. Holding Texans. Do-over makes it 2nd and 15.
Pass to Jean gets about 16 yards. Flag on the Saints DB for not letting go of Jean and the ball. 1/2 the distance. Ball at the 13 of the Saints.
Tate caught in the backfield for a loss. Ball at the Saints 19. 2nd and 16.
Dumpoff to Tate goes for 9. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Pass to K Martin over the middle goes for the TD!
Texans 14, Saints 0
7:11 left in the 1st quarter.
Keith
08-25-2012, 07:25 PM
Too bad these fake games don't count.
I don't care if it is the middle of the 1st quarter. Sit these guys RIGHT NOW.
I am assuming/hoping Marciano is telling Bullock to kick short. 2 in a row failed to make the end zone.
Big Texas
08-25-2012, 07:32 PM
One more defensive stop and I am satisfied...lets stay healthy...
Roby brings the ensuing kickoff back to Saints 35 - nice return.
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Ingram for 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Brees hits Moore over the middle for big gainer. Ball at the Texan 48.
Pass to Henderson gets 14.
Pass to Colston get about 10, 1st down.
Ingram for 4 or 5. Ball at the Texan 20.
Pass to Moore in the endzone is good for the TD. Flag on KJ for PI is declined.
Texans 14, Saints 7
4:03 left in the 1st quarter.
Big Texas
08-25-2012, 07:37 PM
Lets see how the defense responds...
Oh no, Trindon fumbles the kickoff, the Saints pick it up and score.....
Texans 14, Saints 14
3:54 left in the 1st quarter.
chuck
08-25-2012, 07:39 PM
Man, squint a little bit on that catch, and Lestar Jean sure looked like Angry Dre.
The way he went up for the ball I thought the same thing.
I'm going to let someone else open the Pandora's box of complaints regarding our favorite cornerback. The last time I did that during an exhibition game barrett got mad at me.
chuck
08-25-2012, 07:40 PM
He wasn't even hit very hard.
Big Texas
08-25-2012, 07:41 PM
Wow...I feel bad for Trindon...
Holliday downs the kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.
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Foster for 4 on the left side.
Foster busts one for about 18 or 19, 1st down.
Schaub hits AJ at the Saints 40, 1st down.
Dumpoff to Forsett gets 14.
Forsett gets about 5 tough yards on the left side. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Schaub is sacked - flag also down...... Holding on Texans is declined. Makes it 3rd and long (12).
Dumpoff to Martin is stripped from him... Saints recover at their 26.
Warren
08-25-2012, 07:49 PM
I'm going to let someone else open the Pandora's box of complaints regarding our favorite cornerback. The last time I did that during an exhibition game barrett got mad at me.I actually thought he looked improved, even on that play. At least he was aggressively contesting the catch instead of hanging on for dear life. Hey, we take what we can get.
Dumpoff to Thomas in the flat goes nowhere. 2nd and 10 coming up.
End of 1st quarter.
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On 2nd and 10, pass to Graham broken up by GQ. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Graham over the middle goes for 29 yards. Ball at the Texan 45.
Ivory gets 5 on the right side.
Ingram up the middle for about 4. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Dumpoff to Collins gets about 3 and the 1st down.
Pass over the middle to Graham is inc. but PI on Bradie James places the ball at the Texan 11.
Ingram gets about 1 yard. 2nd and 9 coming up from the 10 yard line.
Pass in flat is inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Dumpoff to Cadet gets about 6. On 4th and 3, Saints will go for the FG.
Hartley's 22-yarder is good.
Saints 17, Texans 14
11:24 left in the half.
chuck
08-25-2012, 07:55 PM
I actually thought he looked improved, even on that play. At least he was aggressively contesting the catch instead of hanging on for dear life. Hey, we take what we can get.
He's right there with the receiver every time but his ball awareness is zero.
barrett
08-25-2012, 07:57 PM
I wouldn't say he looked better. I'd say he looked like a cb against the saints. Moore beat Joseph on the same drive. We are 4 drives in and brees hasn't been touched yet. Nobody can cover those guys if brees is clean.
Eheh, Holliday with the redemption return.... 62 yards on the kickoff return - punishes the kicker for trying to tackle him....:p
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Ball is at the Saints 37.
Schaub's pass nearly INT'ed... but inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster is caught in the backfield -2. 3rd and 12 coming up.
Pass to AJ broken up, inc. Texans to punt.
Punt is downed at the Saints 1 yard line by McManis. Saints ball. 10:09 left in the half.
Nconroe
08-25-2012, 07:59 PM
Nice return by Holliday. No more Texans turnovers please. How is our defense gonna stop Saints?
Big Texas
08-25-2012, 08:03 PM
Lets not get too bent outta shape...no cody, watt , or cushing...
barrett
08-25-2012, 08:04 PM
The right side of the OL is a problem. It is apparently harder to invent guys in our system then it looked. Hopefully we see improvement over time.
Dumpoff to Graham in the flat gets 11, 1st down.
Pass in the flat is complete and then stripped by the Texans! Manning recovers! Texans ball at the Saints 10.
9:35 left in the half.
chuck
08-25-2012, 08:09 PM
That was a bad call. I'll take it but it was not correct.
barrett
08-25-2012, 08:09 PM
Lets not get too bent outta shape...no cody, watt , or cushing...
I'm not expecting us to dominate the saints, but we have not TOUCHED brees. Not good for a defense built on team pass rush.
Foster for about 4 tough yards.
Foster punches it in from the 6!
Texans 21, Saints 17
8:55 left in the half.
barrett
08-25-2012, 08:10 PM
Big difference when we run right.
chuck
08-25-2012, 08:10 PM
I'm not expecting us to dominate the saints, but we have not TOUCHED brees. Not good for a defense built on team pass rush.
I was hoping to see something out of the OLBs.
chuck
08-25-2012, 08:13 PM
To hell with it, let's just run left.
Cadet brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Saints 23.
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Thomas up the middle for 8.
Ingram for -1 or -2. Nice play by A Smith. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Pass to Colston broken up by GQ. Saints have to punt.
Holliday kinda fumbles the punt out of bounds at the Texan 33. Texans ball.
Oh no, K Martin on the end around gets hit and fumbles. Saints recover. Saints ball at the Texan 28.
Deep pass to Graham is nearly INT'ed by Demps, but inc.
Dumpoff to Henderson gets 7. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass in the endzone is inc. to Graham. James on the coverage. Saints going for it on 4th and 3.
Timeout Saints......
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On 4th and 3, pass in the flat is broken up by Demps. Texans ball at their own 21.
Nconroe
08-25-2012, 08:23 PM
Hope AJ and Meyers not hurt bad. Graham doing good at TE.
Foster caught in the backfield -2. 2nd and 12 coming up.
Pass to G Graham goes for 44 yards. Attaway to hang onto the ball....
From the Saints 37, dumpoff to Casey gets about 3.
Pass to OD is complete for 10 but flag in the play. Offsides Saints is declined.
On 1st and 10, pitch to Foster going left gets 3 or 4. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Dumpoff to Foster gets back to the LOS. Schaub under heavy pressure....
Timeout Texans......
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On 3rd and 7, look like the Saints are offsides... Yep, makes it 3rd and 2 coming up.
Foster only gets 1. 4th and 1 coming up. Texans decide to go for the FG.
Bullocks's 33-yarder is good.
Texans 24, Saints 17
2:08 left in the half.
chuck
08-25-2012, 08:28 PM
The Saints do not respect the Texans' run game and nor should they. That's a concern.
Saints bring the ensuing kickoff back to their 23. Saints ball. Nice tackle, Keo.
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Pass to Graham goes for huge gainer down the sideline but flag is down. 57 yards. Flags on both teams. 15-yarder against the Texans is the penalty enforced so Saints ball at their 38 wiping out the big play.
Pass in the flat to Thomas goes for 10. 1:47 left in the half.
Pass to Colston goes for 18.
Brees scrambles for 10 or 11, 1st down. Ball at the Texan 24.
Flags presnap. False start Saints -5. Makes it 1st and 15 at the Texans 29. 10 second runoff against the Saints. 46 seconds left in the half.
Brees nearly sacked by Mitchell but gets it off and inc. 2nd and 15 coming up.
Thomas gets 15 on the screen, 1st down. Ball at the Texan 14.
Pass to Moore gets 5. Saints use their last timeout with 21 seconds left. Ball is at the Texan 9.
Pass to Graham in the endzone is complete for the TD.
Texans 24, Saints 24
15 seconds left in the half.
Man, wouldn't this be a good time for some Holliday magic?
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Nope, Holliday downs the kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.
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Texans kneel it.
Halftime
Texans 24, Saints 24
Big Texas
08-25-2012, 08:49 PM
Manning got caught looking in the backfield...he was in excellent position...looks like the offense outplayed the defense...granted we were missing three starters on defense...
Abbreviated halftime stats:
Schaub = 15/18, 194 yards, 1 TD
Foster = 8 rushes, 32 yards
G Graham = 3 catches, 77 yds.
AJ = 2 catches, 30 yds.
OD = 2 catches, 26 yds.
Jean = 1 catch, 19 yds.
K Martin = 2 catches, 12 yds., 1 TD
KJ = 4 tackles
Joseph, GQ and M Alexander = 3 tackles each
Fumbles lost = Texans 3, Saints 2
Total yards = Texans 233, Saints 224
1st downs = Texans 15, Saints 14
TOP = Texans 17:32, Saints 12:28
barrett
08-25-2012, 08:54 PM
The Saints do not respect the Texans' run game and nor should they. That's a concern.
Part of it is we really don't want to run foster and kind of don't want to run Tate. Regular season we would have 20 carries in a half like that. Not that it hurt us much offensively. We gouged them constantly and finished in the redzone.
Kubiak told 610 that Andre Johnson had the wind knocked out of him. Myers wasn't feeling well pre-game. #Texans -- Tania Ganguli (@taniaganguli)
Saints take the 2nd half kickoff and return it to their 23.
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Chase Daniel in at QB.
Flags presnap. 12 men on the field on the Saints -5, 1st and 15.
Pass to Camarillo goes for 8.
Pass to Camarillo comes up short, inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Pass to Higgins complete for the 1st down.
Ivory dances for big gainer. 20 yards. Ball at the Texan 43.
Ivory for 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Screen to Cadet gets about 10 and the 1st down. Ball is at the Texan 30.
Ivory for maybe 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Pass to Camarillo complete for the 1st down.
Ivory for 7. Ball at the Texan 11.
Ivory gets 2 on the left side. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Ivory gets 3 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 6.
Swing pass too high, inc. 2nd and goal from the 6.
Daniel's pass over the middle is broken up, inc. 3rd and goal coming up.
Daniel, pressured, throws it inc. Saints to go for the FG.
Hartley's 24-yarder is good.
Saints 27, Texans 24
9:17 left in the 3rd quarter.
Big Texas
08-25-2012, 09:06 PM
Question coming in was can our offense keep up with high scoring teams...and so far so good....
chuck
08-25-2012, 09:06 PM
Kubiak told 610 that Andre Johnson had the wind knocked out of him. Myers wasn't feeling well pre-game. #Texans -- Tania Ganguli (@taniaganguli)
Hey, anybody else like muffuletta? #Tasty @johnmcclain
chuck
08-25-2012, 09:09 PM
Part of it is we really don't want to run foster and kind of don't want to run Tate. Regular season we would have 20 carries in a half like that. Not that it hurt us much offensively. We gouged them constantly and finished in the redzone.
I was thinking that the Saints were not biting on the boot at all. If the Texans can't run the ball effectively (and the jury is out on whether this line can produce yardage) it obviously disrupts the offense completely.
barrett
08-25-2012, 09:12 PM
I was thinking that the Saints were not biting on the boot at all. If the Texans can't run the ball effectively (and the jury is out on whether this line can produce yardage) it obviously disrupts the offense completely.
Like I said, we had an unwillingness to run it that was tied to it being a preseason game. They did everything possible to avoid putting the ball in fosters hands. The early bootlegs worked perfectly before it was obvious we didn't want our backs carrying the ball.
chuck
08-25-2012, 09:19 PM
Like I said, we had an unwillingness to run it that was tied to it being a preseason game. They did everything possible to avoid putting the ball in fosters hands. The early bootlegs worked perfectly before it was obvious we didn't want our backs carrying the ball.
The Texans didn't run the ball well because they didn't want to?
Upman D Hunter brings the squibby kickoff back to the Texan 25.
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TJ in at QB.
Yates' pass is complete over the middle to Casey for about 15.
Forsett goes left for 6 or 7.
Grimes gets about 5 on the right, 1st down. Ball in Saints territory.
Pass to Iglesias ruled inc. 2nd and 10 coming up. Flags down. Illegal touching (receiver stepped out of bounds). Do-over makes it 1st and 15.
Forsett gets 6 on the left side.
TJ is sacked. Makes it 3rd and 15.
Draw to Grimes gets about 9 or 10 so Texans have to punt.
Punt rolls into the endzone. Saints ball at their 20.
chuck
08-25-2012, 09:22 PM
Punt the ball out of bounds goddamit.
barrett
08-25-2012, 09:27 PM
The Texans didn't run the ball well because they didn't want to?
Foster ran for 4 ypc and a TD in a 230 yard 24 point half for the offense. I'll leave it at that and let new Orleans "disrespect" our running game.
Ivory for 4.
Pass to Hall complete for 5. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Pass is thrown inc but flags everywhere..... Holding Saints, PI Texans, replay the down.
Banyard gets 3 and the 1st down.
Pass to Morgan goes for big gainer. Ball in Texan territory.
Hall for 3 yards.
Pass to Higgins gets 5. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Pass down the sideline too high, inc. Saints to punt on 4th and 2.
Saints down the punt at the Texan 10.
chuck
08-25-2012, 09:31 PM
Foster ran for 4 ypc and a TD in a 230 yard 24 point half for the offense. I'll leave it at that and let new Orleans "disrespect" our running game.
I said quite correctly that the Saints do not respect the team's running game, not that they 'disrespect' it. You may not appreciate the difference but for the benefit of those that do please do not misquote me.
Forsett for 1 or 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
TJ sacked. 3rd and 15 coming up.
Delay to Grimes only gets about 4. Texans to punt. 15 seconds left in the 3rd quarter.
Punt is not fielded and rolls all the way to the Saints 28. Saints ball.
barrett
08-25-2012, 09:36 PM
I said quite correctly that the Saints do not respect the team's running game, not that they 'disrespect' it. You may not appreciate the difference but for the benefit of those that do please do not misquote me.
From Dictionary.com...
dis·re·spect /ˌdɪsrɪˈspɛkt/ Show Spelled[dis-ri-spekt] Show IPA
noun
1. lack of respect; discourtesy; rudeness.
The very first meaning of disrespect is lack of respect. For example, if I said I lacked respect for the meaning of your above post, that is the same as if I disrespected your post.
Start of 4th quarter.
Banyard rushes for 26 on the right side but flag is down..... Holding on Saints brings it back... Makes it 1st and 15.
Screen on the left doesn't get much, -2. 2nd and 17 coming up.
Daniel scrambles for 4. 3rd and 13 coming up.
Pass is broken up by Ball (!), inc... Saints have to punt.
Punt goes out of bounds at the Texan 40.
I see Chuck and Barrett are ready for the season....
:)
chuck
08-25-2012, 09:42 PM
From Dictionary.com...
dis·re·spect /ˌdɪsrɪˈspɛkt/ Show Spelled[dis-ri-spekt] Show IPA
noun
1. lack of respect; discourtesy; rudeness.
The very first meaning of disrespect is lack of respect. For example, if I said I lacked respect for the meaning of your above post, that is the same as if I disrespected your post.
You initially misquoted me employing as a verb a word I had not used and now you try to justify it by relaying a definition of that word as a noun.
As I said, in deference to anyone who knows and cares about language please do not misquote me.
chuck
08-25-2012, 09:46 PM
I see Chuck and Barrett are ready for the season....
Well, it IS the third game so I'd like to think we're getting our wind back. But I'm planning on being a prick for only about the first quarter Thursday.
Pass to G Graham goes for 20.
Dumpoff to Forsett gets 11.
Grimes for 2.
TJ's pass is batted down, inc. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Timeout Texans....
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On 3rd and 8, TJ is sacked again. Texans to go for the 53 yard FG.
Graham knocks it in, good!
Texans 27, Saints 27
10:43 left in the game.
barrett
08-25-2012, 09:50 PM
Well, it IS the third game so I'd like to think we're getting our wind back. But I'm planning on being a prick for only about the first quarter Thursday.
Yes, chuck, your concern is clearly for language on this one.
From dictionary.com...
verb (used with object)
1.****to regard or treat without respect; regard or treat with contempt or rudeness.
There is no way you can say they showed no respect but did not disrespect.
But it's clearly not about language. The texans offense showed no respect for the saints defense tonight. And the backside defensive end staying home twice on completed passes did not so much as slow the texans.
Parks brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Saints 25. Saints ball.
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Cadet up the middle for almost 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Daniel is smoked by Mercilus for the sack! 3rd and 13 coming up.
Daniel scrambles up the middle 14 yards and gets the 1st down.
Quick pass to Morgan gets about 5.
Banyard rushes for 5 and the 1st down.
Flags down on the play. Holding on the Saints makes it 1st and 20.
Dumpoff to Cadet gets 16. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Banyard gets the 4 and a 1st down. Ball at the Texan 42.
Cadet gets 8 more. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Cadet for 3 and the 1st down.
barrett
08-25-2012, 09:53 PM
And I agree we should let some up and comers argue on Thursday night.
barrett
08-25-2012, 09:54 PM
By the way, Yates looks bad.
Rush for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Deep pass over the middle is inc but PI on Carmichael places the ball at the Texan 9.
Banyard for 4. 2nd and goal from the 5.
Banyard for 1. 3rd and goal from the 4.
Pass to Morgan in the endzone is good for the TD.
Play is under review......
Play stands.
Saints 34, Texans 27
3:38 left in the game.
The ensuing kickoff goes out of the endzone so Texans ball at their 20.
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TJ's pass in the flat is inc.
TJ is stripped of the ball but S Smith recovers for the Texans. Brings up 3rd and 19.
TJ is sacked again. Texans to punt.
Punt is returned by the Saints to the Texan 38. Saints ball.
Rush up the middle goes for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Screen to Hall goes for about 2. 3rd and 7 coming up.
3rd down screen pass falls inc.
2 minute warning.......
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On 4th and 7, Saints to go for the FG.
Hartley's 53-yarder is no good.
Score remains:
Saints 34, Texans 27
1:55 left in the game.
Texans ball at their 43.
Pass goes for 6.
Pass to Grimes goes for 11 more.
Yates' pass is off the mark, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up. 1:09 left in the game.
Yates can't find a receiver and throws it inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Iglesias gets 8. 4th and 2 coming up.
Pass to BJ off his hands, inc. Saints ball at their 31.
Saints kneeling it.
Final score:
Saints 34, Texans 27
By the way, Yates looks bad.
The whole 2nd team didn't play well.
barrett
08-25-2012, 11:33 PM
The whole 2nd team didn't play well.
Agreed.
The middle of the defense looked bad with Cody, Cushing, and Watt out. I think Wade's penetrating defense needs a BIG bad man at MLB to clean up the gaps. Brady James is not that man. I was also disappointed I didn't see more of Dobbins. He seems to be the stoutest against the run after Cushing. We also don't swarm to the ball the same without Cushing.
The OLBs got no pressure. We are still a team/effort sack team as opposed to superior pass rushing talent. Hopefully Mercilous changes that. If he flashes big potential, I don't mind letting Barwin go at a later date. I love him, but he is an effort guy who will want to be paid like a double digit sack guy because our defense makes him look good. We already have a great effort guy to go opposite our pass rusher in Reed. 2nd contracts might have to be sparing.
The Right side of the OL struggled in the run and pass game. Foster sprung almost every time he went left though. At least the stretch to the Left is the one that matters most for our bootleg and passing game. All of the WRs looked great with the exception of Martin's fumbles. Jean really impressed. I bet it gets harder and harder for Walter to find snaps. Walter will become something of a way to play with other teams regarding tendencies. I noticed the motioned him in on one play action. The defense read it as a dead run give away. This may be the best way to get AJ deep. Who cares if our #2 WR is a blocker.
I am not worried about the run game. Everyone passes way more in the preseason. There is just so much more work to be done with the pass game and you are not really trying to win. When it counts I have no doubts about Tate or Foster.
Grimes showed up on ST. We might need to keep 4 RBs. Holliday is dangerous for everyone, friend and foe alike. He fumbled from bad mechanics (ball in wrong hand) and from generally being a soft little guy. Then he dropped a punt and avoided fielding another in traffic. He is not real confident catching it. Even his PR TD was halfway because he could not decide what to do with it and a few defenders stopped. He is just shaky on punts and kicks go out the back of the endzone.
HPF Bob
08-26-2012, 01:02 AM
Watched the game on DVR after it actually happened. A lot of youthful mistakes but the big problem I saw was that NO dominated both lines during the second half. The o-line and the d-line both looked helpless against the Saints.
I'm not disappointed by the loss (heck, I pretty much predicted it back at the beginning of the thread) and I think it was smart to take out the starters at halftime. It looks like the coaches will have a lot to chew on during cut-down time, not all of it good.
nunusguy
08-26-2012, 08:08 AM
the big problem I saw was that NO dominated both lines during the second half. The o-line and the d-line both looked helpless against the Saints.
That bothers me, especially since it's the second straight week it happened because the 49ers also won the LOS on both sides of the ball. The absence of Watt & Cody is a factor, but at the very least it shows how little depth we've got vs other contenders.
I dunno, but did we give the wrong back the big contract, because Tate still looks like a better pure runner than Foster to me even though Arian is more proficient on the cutbacks and a better pass receiver. And look at the swarm of capable backs the Saints have, sometimes it just doesn't seem to make good business sense to pay a single back big bucks ? Count your lucky stars Arian, and sorry about that MJ-D but I kinda agree with your owner.
And Holliday doesn't look to be such a slam-dunk to make the 53-man roster this morning does he ?
barrett
08-26-2012, 08:27 AM
That bothers me, especially since it's the second straight week it happened because the 49ers also won the LOS on both sides of the ball. The absence of Watt & Cody is a factor, but at the very least it shows how little depth we've got vs other contenders.
I dunno, but did we give the wrong back the big contract, because Tate still looks like a better pure runner than Foster to me even though Arian is more proficient on the cutbacks and a better pass receiver. And look at the swarm of capable backs the Saints have, sometimes it just doesn't seem to make good business sense to pay a single back big bucks ? Count your lucky stars Arian, and sorry about that MJ-D but I kinda agree with your owner.
And Holliday doesn't look to be such a slam-dunk to make the 53-man roster this morning does he ?
I don't think it's close between Foster and Tate.
Foster is clearly better in short yardage, passing game, blitz pickup, big plays, making guys miss, and it goes on...
Tate is about equal as a between the 20s 1st down runner. Those are not that hard to find.
I will base my happiness with his contract on his destruction of the AFC North in two playoff games where both teams knew they were getting Arian and could do nothing about it.
nunusguy
08-26-2012, 09:41 AM
I don't think it's close between Foster and Tate.
Foster is clearly better in short yardage, passing game, blitz pickup, big plays, making guys miss, and it goes on...
Tate is about equal as a between the 20s 1st down runner. Those are not that hard to find.
I will base my happiness with his contract on his destruction of the AFC North in two playoff games where both teams knew they were getting Arian and could do nothing about it.
OK I concede I somewhat exaggerated, but try this hypothetical: instead of re-upping Foster with the huge contract, we extend Tate who is 2 years younger than Foster with a contract that's only a fraction of what Foster got, keep both Winston and Briesel which of course would keep our OLine fully intact, and trade Foster for a player(s) and/or Draft picks ?
Two different styles of RB. Tate is a power runner, a bruiser... Foster tries to avoid contact. Both very effective at what they do.
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Too many "Grahams" in last nights game.
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Oy, TJ. He was rotten. In all fairness, the OL should be partly to blame but TJ was holding on to the ball too long and staring down receivers. Where was the check down guy when he was taking all those sacks (5)?
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As has been mentioned, their backups were better than our backups. Texans still have improvements to be made and coaching-up to do.
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It's bad luck to win all your pre-season games....
Joe Joe
08-26-2012, 12:50 PM
I don't think it's close between Foster and Tate.
Foster is clearly better in short yardage, passing game, blitz pickup, big plays, making guys miss, and it goes on...
Tate is about equal as a between the 20s 1st down runner. Those are not that hard to find.
I will base my happiness with his contract on his destruction of the AFC North in two playoff games where both teams knew they were getting Arian and could do nothing about it.
I would agree with most except on Tate's rushing between the 20's. Tate was pretty awesome between the 20's and it is hard to find RBs that are that good inside the 20's. He averaged 3.3 yds after contact last season for third best among NFL RBs. It will be interesting to see if Tate continues to be a dominant between the 20's rusher. Tate does not have a well rounded game, but was pretty good in red zone last night so hopefully he has added that to his game.
Tate is probably one of the least well rounded backs I've seen. He is a fast, strong, one cut RB and that is about it. Luckily, those are the biggest needs in Texans system. He'll never be Foster, but there is a very short list of RBs that I'd rather have as backup for Foster.
barrett
08-26-2012, 01:01 PM
I would agree with most except on Tate's rushing between the 20's. Tate was pretty awesome between the 20's and it is hard to find RBs that are that good inside the 20's. He averaged 3.3 yds after contact last season for third best among NFL RBs. It will be interesting to see if Tate continues to be a dominant between the 20's rusher. Tate does not have a well rounded game, but was pretty good in red zone last night so hopefully he has added that to his game.
Tate is probably one of the least well rounded backs I've seen. He is a fast, strong, one cut RB and that is about it. Luckily, those are the biggest needs in Texans system. He'll never be Foster, but there is a very short list of RBs that I'd rather have as backup for Foster.
I agree and it's what I was trying to say. Tate is a great runner in between the 20s but has so far struggled in short yardage and in all passing situations. He is also not the game breaker foster is.
Foster got a very reasonable contract that is smaller than guys he outproduces.
Joe Joe
08-26-2012, 02:08 PM
I agree and it's what I was trying to say. Tate is a great runner in between the 20s but has so far struggled in short yardage and in all passing situations. He is also not the game breaker foster is.
Foster got a very reasonable contract that is smaller than guys he outproduces.
Texans are lucky to have these two for two more seasons.
Nconroe
08-27-2012, 12:40 PM
I thought Schaub looked really good this last preseason game.
But TJ not so good. TJ looked better the first preseason game.
I'm still not sure if they will keep 2 or three QB on 53 man roster.
Seems they could go with experience of Beck and put Case on PS?
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