Official Texans vs. Panthers Game Thread, 12/18/2011

[Keith]

Here we go...

[HPF Bob]

Can the Texans keep up their intensity without a playoff berth on the line and without their defensive coordinator on the sidelines? Will TJ Yates be able to score points without Andre Johnson in the lineup? Is Can Newton stoppable for four quarters?

After the game, the Texans could get help from the Broncos or the Chargers in their quest for a first-round bye.

[Arky]

Spread has dropped from Texans by 6.5 to mostly 4.5 (http://www.sbrforum.com/betting-odds/nfl-football/). Uh-oh.

Just get the W, boys...

[Blitzwood]

24-17 Texans....:cool:

[Nconroe]

Looking forward to an exciting game Texans win and watching two good rookie QB.

[Arky]

Texans win the toss and will receive.

Kick goes out of the endzone so Texans ball at their 20.

[Arky]

Foster for 1 or 2. Brings up 2nd and 9.

Oh jeez, Foster gains 6 and fumbles. Panthers ball at the Texan 26.

[Arky]

Williams goes left side for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.

Williams gets 1 and the 1st down.

Newton sacked by Barwin, -10! 2nd and 20 coming up.

Newton hits Smith in the endzone for the TD.

Panthers 7, Texans 0

12:07 left in the 1st quarter.

[Arky]

Demps downs the ensuing kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.

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Pitch to Tate going left loses 1. 2nd and 11 coming up.

Tate sweeps right for 6. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Dump off to Dreessen gets 8 and the 1st down.

Rollout pass to BJ good for 18.

Yates sacked for -2. 2nd and 12 coming up.

Dump off to BJ gets 5. 3rd and 7 coming up at the Panther 45.

Dump off to Tate only gets 4 so Texans to punt on 4th and 3.

Turk's punt goes out of bounds at the Panther 18.

[Arky]

Williams TFL -1 by Watt. Brings up 2nd and 11.

Pass to Smith gets 4. 3rd and 7 coming up.

Flags presnap. Delay of game on Panthers -5. 3rd and 12 coming up.

Newton's deep pass goes over everyone, inc. Panthers have to punt.

JJ brings the punt back to about the Texan 43.

[Arky]

Dump off to Vickers gets 1 yard. 2nd and 9 coming up.

Dump to Vickers goes for 17.

Tate for maybe 1 or 2. 2nd and 9 coming up.

Foster for 4. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Dump off to Foster only gets 3. Texans to go for the FG.

Rackers 49-yarder is off to the right, no good.

Score remains:

Panthers 7, Texans 0

2:32 left in the 1st quarter. Panthers ball at their 39.

[Nconroe]

Texans look a little flat, but crowd noise might get em going soon.

[Arky]

Flags presnap. False start Panthers -5. Makes it 1st and 15.

Newton sacked -1 yard. Mitchell/Watt on the sack. 2nd and 16 coming up.

Pass over the middle broken up GQ, inc. 3rd and 16 coming up.

Pass to Smith goes for 19 and the 1st down.

Flag on Panthers for too many men in the huddle -5. 1st and 15 coming up.

Stewart for 5. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Pass in the flat goes inc but roughing the passer on Cush gives 15 yards and 1st down. Ball at the Texan 32.

End of the 1st quarter.

[Arky]

Snap to Williams goes for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Newton scrambles for 4. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Pass is caught by Olsen down the sideline for 17 yards. 1st and goal Panthers at the Texan 8.

Williams sweeps left for no gain or -1. 2nd and goal coming up.

Dump off to Shockey goes for the TD.

Panthers 14, Texans 0

12:19 left in the half.

[HPF Bob]

Can the Texans keep up their intensity without a playoff berth on the line?

Apparently not. 14-0 hole.

[Arky]

Texans look a little flat, but crowd noise might get em going soon.

These guys need to put the gatorade down and grab some coffee!

[Arky]

Demps downs the ensuing kickoff in the endzone, touchback. Texans ball at their 20.

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Dump off to Foster goes for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Pass to is tipped, inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.

Pass is dropped by OD. Texans have to punt.

Punt is fielded at the Panther 42 but flag on the play. Holding on Panthers backs it up 10. Ball at the Panther 32. 11:32 left in the half.

[HPF Bob]

If they were any flatter, they'd be Kansas.

[chuck]

This is the first game I've seen in person and from this vantage point I can see that TJ, as much as I love him, makes a ton of rookie mistakes in missing open receivers. He's great at getting to his second read but not his third.

[Arky]

Newton's pass sails over the middle, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Sweep left to Stewart gets 7. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Pass is tipped at the LOS and goes inc. Panthers have to punt.

JJ brings the punt back to the Texan 22. Texans ball.

[Arky]

Tate sweeps left for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.

Tate for 3 and the 1st down.

Foster for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Pass to Vickers goes for 6 and the 1st down at the Texan 45.

Nice run Arian for 15.

Tate sweeps right for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Tate goes for nice gainer but holding W Smith brings it back. 2nd and 13 coming up.

Pass to OD is broken up, inc. 3rd and 13 coming up.

Oh jeminy, Yates is INT'ed and the Panthers brings it back to the Texan 48.

[Nconroe]

Come on defense. Need a turnover.

[Arky]

Williams TFL -2 by A Smith. 2nd and 12 coming up.

Newton is pressured and scrambles for 11. 3rd and 1 coming up.

Stewart gets 4 and the 1st down.

Dump to Smith gets 10 and the 1st down at the Texan 23.

Stewart up the gut for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Flags presnap. False start Panthers. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Dump to Naanee is complete for 8. Makes it 3rd and 2 at the Texan 15

2 minute warning.

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Stewart gets 4 and the 1st down.

Pass to Brockel gets 3.

Snap to Brockel on the gadget play goes for the TD.

Panthers 21, Texans 0

[Arky]

Demps brings the kickoff back to the Texan 28. Texans ball.

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48 seconds left in the half.

Pass to JJ goes inc but holding on Winston backs it up. 1st and 20 coming up.

Screen to Foster goes for 5. 2nd and 15 coming up.

Yates muffs the snap but Foster hops on the fumble. 3rd and 20 coming up.

Texans kneel it.

Halftime.

Panthers 21, Texans 0

[Nconroe]

Turovers did us in so far.

[HPF Bob]

Okay, Wade. We get it. You can have your raise.

[Arky]

Halftime stats:

Passing: Yates 10/14, 71 yards, 1 INT

Rushing: Foster 5/30, Tate 7/26, Yates 1/0

Receiving: Vickers 3/25, BJ 3/23, Foster 3/11

Tackles: Cush 6, Ryans 5, Cody/Manning/Barwin/Mitchell/Watt 2 each

Time of possession: Texans 14:27, Panthers 15:33

1st downs: Texans 6, Panthers 10

3rd down efficiency: Texans 1/5, Panthers 4/6

Red zone: Texans 0/0, Panthers 3/3

Penalties: Texans 3/35, Panthers 6/35

Total yards: Texans 125, Panthers 145

Turnovers: Texans 2, Panthers 0

[HPF Bob]

We're not the only team stinking it up so far. The Packers are scoreless at halftime. The Giants are getting blown out by the Redskins and it took the Titans an entire half to get a lead on the Colts.

[Arky]

Carolina has been in this situation many times this year and teams came back on them to win though I'm not sure the Texans can come back from 21. The Panthers will need to turn it over themselves to help let the Texans back in the game.....

[Arky]

Rackers 2nd half kickoff is downed in the endzone. Panthers ball at their 20.

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Williams for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Dump off to Olsen loses 3. 3rd and 13 coming up.

Dump off to Stewart only goes for 4. Panthers have to punt.

Nice return by JJ brings the ball back to the Panther 35. 42 yards!

[Arky]

Foster for 5. A Panther (Godfrey) injured on the play. Injury timeout.

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On 2nd and 5, Foster cruises for 18. 1st down.

Foster for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Yates rolls out and can't find a receiver and throws it away. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Dump off to Walter goes inc. Texans to go for the FG.

Rackers 26-yarder is good.

Panthers 21, Texans 3

11:07 left in the 3rd quarter.

[Arky]

Panthers bring the kickoff back to their 18.

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Pressure makes Newton throw high and inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Watt with the TFL -1. 3rd and 10 coming up.

Newton scrambles for 17 and the 1st down.

Flags presnap. Illegal formation offense -5. Makes it 1st and 15.

Newton's deep pass goes inc. 2nd and 15 coming up.

Nice breakup on the pass by DeMeco, inc. 3rd and 15 coming up.

Shovel pass only gets 2 or 3 so Panthers have to punt.

JJ step out of bounds at the 21 on the punt but flag on the play. Illegal block in the back on Dobbins. 1/2 the distance to the goal line. Texans ball at their 11.

[barrett]

Absolutely garbage call.

[Arky]

Dump off to Vickers gets 3 or 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.

Dump off to Tate gets about 8 plus roughing on the tackle. Also, Tate with a facemask offsets it. 2nd and 6 again.

Pass to BJ is behind him, inc. 3rd and 6 coming up.

Pass to KW gets 5. Officials measure and it's a first down. Carolina challenges the spot......

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Ruling on the field stands.

Oh man, pass to wide open OD is short and inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Pass to Dreessen gets 12 and a 1st down.

Foster for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.

Pass to OD complete to the Panther 43. 17 yards.

Screen to Foster goes for 25. Ball at the Panther 18.

Foster sweeps left for 3 but holding on Dreessen brings it back. 1st and 20 coming up.

Pass to OD good for 12. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Pass in the endzone to Dreessen just off his hands, inc. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Texans use a timeout.

[Arky]

On 3rd and 8, pass to BJ is short and inc. Rackers on for the FG.

34-yarder is good.

Panthers 21, Texans 6

2:53 left in the 3rd quarter.

[Arky]

Panthers down the ensuing kickoff in the endzone. Panthers ball at their 20.

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Newton pressured throws inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

2nd down pass in the flat goes inc. Makes it 3rd and 10 coming up.

Newton's deep pass down the sideline is inc. Panthers have to punt.

JJ brings the punt back to about the Texan 31.

[HPF Bob]

Texans needed to think four-down territory on those last two drives. They are running very well but then they are abandoning the run when they get into FG range and settling for FGs instead of running it in for six.

[Arky]

Yates scrambles up the gut for 15.

Foster sweeps left for 7. A Panther (C Johnson) is down on the play. Injury timeout.

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Foster hits the right side for 22. Another Panther (Pugh) shaken up. Ball at the Panther 24.

Yates hits KW down the sideline for the TD but it is penalized cause KW got pushed out of bounds. Loss of 5.

Dump to Foster loses more as he slips. 2nd and 16 coming up.

Pass to KW good for the 1st down at the Panther 11.

End of the 3rd quarter.

[Arky]

Texans needed to think four-down territory on those last two drives. They are running very well but then they are abandoning the run when they get into FG range and settling for FGs instead of running it in for six.

I think so, too. I get the feeling they could just keep gashing away with the run....

[Nconroe]

Ok, getting interesting now.

[Arky]

Foster for 6. 2nd and 4 coming up.

Foster gets 5 and the 1st down. 1st and goal at the 1.

Foster for the TD!

Panthers 21, Texans 13

13:48 left in the game.

[Arky]

Panthers down the ensuing kickoff in their endzone. Panthers ball at the 20.

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Wow, looks like the Colts might beat the Titans. 20-6 with 8 minutes left.

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Williams for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Newton scrambles for 13 on a keeper, 1st down.

Williams for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Williams for 1. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Pass to Naanee is complete for 9 and the 1st down at midfield.

Throwback pass to Shockey gets 25.

Williams goes right up the gut for the TD. 24 yards.

Panthers 28, Texans 13

9:54 left in the game.

[barrett]

Watch the replay of that TD and tell me where demeco is going and what he sees.

[Arky]

Nice return by Demps on the kickoff - brings it back to the Texan 44.

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Pass to JJ good for big gain. 22 yards.

Dump to Foster goes to the 10 yard line. 1st and goal at the 10.

Foster for 3. 2nd and goal at the 7.

Yates pressured, scrambles out of bounds, loss of 2.

Yates tosses it to a Panther in the endzone. INT. Panthers ball at the Texan 3.

[Arky]

Williams (?) for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Stewart for 2. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Newton keeps for 8 and the 1st down.

Stewart for 2 or 3. Timeout Texans. 5:12 left in the game.

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Pass to Smith goes for big gain, 22 yards. Timeout Texans, last one.

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Stewart for 11.

Stewart for no gain.

Williams sweeps left for 8. 3rd and 2 coming up.

Newton for 3 and the 1st down.

Williams for 3.

2 minute warning.

[Nconroe]

Too bad, looks like we are down to a learning experience.

[barrett]

Ugly effort today. 3 turnovers, bad hold/fg miss, tons of penalties, bad tackling, and head scratching play calling in the redzone all day. A team effort in giving this one away.

[Arky]

Williams for 3. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Williams for 5 or 6 and the 1st down.

Panthers kneeling it out.

Final score:

Panthers 28, Texans 13

Glad we got the let-down game out of the way.... :rolleyes:

[Fonz the Boss]

They needed to get humbled before the playoffs

[HPF Bob]

Somewhere in Vegas there is some poor slob who bet the Christmas bonus on the Colts, Chiefs and Panthers and is celebrating like crazy.

There's also some poor slob who bet the Christmas bonus on the Packers, Texans and Titans (what could possibly go wrong?) and is now trying to figure out how to lie to his wife.

This week also makes you wonder if somebody from the players union says "okay, this is the week we make our money..."

[Arky]

They needed to get humbled before the playoffs

Yep, might be the best thing to happen but I didn't like seeing TJ moving backwards...

[barrett]

I don't think it's ever a good thing to lose. And there isn't any logic that says there is. Only excuses say losing is good. We stunk today. We need to be better next week.

[nunusguy]

Yates really looked like a rookie today, the whole team came out flat, and then we have 3 turnovers and they have none so we give ourselves no chance to win this game. NP because everybody has a bad day, even the Packers.
And it's also games like this one when one realizes just how ineffective our offense is without our starting QB and Andre.

[Arky]

I don't think it's ever a good thing to lose. And there isn't any logic that says there is. Only excuses say losing is good. We stunk today. We need to be better next week.

Getting humbled can be turned into a good thing. It could and should force the team to get their heads out of their butts and refocus and take care of business the next two games. Unfortunate that it took a loss to get there....

[barrett]

Getting humbled can be turned into a good thing. It could and should force the team to get their heads out of the butts and refocus and take care of business the next two games. Unfortunate that it took a loss to get there....

To get where? If we win today it's a 8 game winning streak and our heads were never in our butts. How is it better to lose to possibly get back to where we would already be if we had won?

Winning games is good and losing them is bad. Very simple.

[Arky]

To get where? If we win today it's a 8 game winning streak and our heads were never in our butts. How is it better to lose to possibly get back to where we would already be if we had won?

Winning games is good and losing them is bad. Very simple.

barrett, I hate to break it to you but 16-0 doesn't happen all that much. One can learn from losing just as much as they can from winning. It's a young team that hasn't been here before. They're not a well-oiled winning machine with no flaws...Things that force you to get better and being the best you can be are progress. If you can't wrap your mind around that, then I have nothing further to say.

I don't like it when they lose either but ultimately, I have no control over it..

[barrett]

I didn't say we need to go 16-0. I also didn't say you can't learn from a loss. I said we stunk and we need to play better next week.

Winning is always better than losing. It's not rocket science and trying to pretend a loss is good after the fact is foolish. I sure didn't hear you before noon saying, "boy we need to lose this one as a learning experience."

[chuck]

And it's also games like this one when one realizes just how ineffective our offense is without our starting QB and Andre.

This is the first game where I felt that the offense was seriously compromised by not having Andre.

Winning is always good; losing is always bad. But I could very definitely envision a scenario where a very poor game like this followed very quickly by a shot at redemption might ultimately give this team a chance to profit.

John McClain, someone I never expect to go to Oslo to receive a Nobel Prize, said something thought provoking after the game. He said that he thought that a young team (the Texans) benefited from playing the first week of the playoffs whereas an older team definitely benefits from a week off. Having home field the second week of the playoffs is very valuable obviously, but I can see his point.

[barrett]

The bye gets you a step closer to the superbowl, but a 1st round game us probably our best chance at a win. Not sure how likely the superbowl is so I would not be heartbroken by a shot at the jets or bengals instead of the steelers/ravens/patriots in round 2.

[Arky]

I didn't say we need to go 16-0. I also didn't say you can't learn from a loss. I said we stunk and we need to play better next week."

And I never said losing was a good thing. That was your interpretation.

Barry Warner just called this a "good loss" on the radio. Say what you will about Warner but I know where he's coming from ...

[chuck]

The bye gets you a step closer to the superbowl, but a 1st round game us probably our best chance at a win. Not sure how likely the superbowl is so I would not be heartbroken by a shot at the jets or bengals instead of the steelers/ravens/patriots in round 2.

I feel like this team is not currently good enough to beat the Ravens, Steelers or the Patriots so I'm hoping that putting sixty minutes on tape that demonstrates exactly why they're not and then giving them what amounts to an immediate opportunity to go out and correct the many mistakes they'll see will end up being a benefit.

Maybe this ugly loss will snap them out of their reverie. If what we saw today is really, ultimately who they are then we'll experience a loss in week one against the Jets or whoever and reconvene next year.

All that said, Cam Newton is no joke. I'll take playing against Luck for the next decade rather than trying to play that guy.

[barrett]

And I never said losing was a good thing. That was your interpretation.

When you said it was the best thing that could happen I just jumped to conclusions.

[Arky]

When you said it was the best thing that could happen I just jumped to conclusions.

Ya, I said "might be the best thing" meaning, if they learn from it and get better, then it's good for everyone.

[barrett]

But it's never the best thing to lose. It might be a learning experience, but nothing says a team can't learn after a win. The whole goal is to win and if you learn so you can win later, all you've done is taken the long route to where you already would have been, winning.

I hope we come back better and more focused but I am
Not going to spin it like its good we played like crap today.

[Arky]

But it's never the best thing to lose. It might be a learning experience, but nothing says a team can't learn after a win. The whole goal is to win and if you learn so you can win later, all you've done is taken the long route to where you already would have been, winning.

I hope we come back better and more focused but I am
Not going to spin it like its good we played like crap today.

Yes, they did play like crap today. But, again, who is spinning it that playing like crap is a good thing? Play like crap and you lose.

[edo783]

Yes, they did play like crap today. But, again, who is spinning it that playing like crap is a good thing? Play like crap and you lose.

And the crap play today gives the coaches a chance to light a backside fire that COULD help in the playoffs. Bet this takes a little starch out of their shirts and they play better Thursday.

[HPF Bob]

Well, the chicken salad/applesauce outlook is that, right now, I'd rather have a crappy loss than a win with another major injury.

[Keith]

He's great at getting to his second read but not his third.Wait, what? There's a second read??

Signed,
David Carr

[Keith]

Jeremy Shockey questions the Texans' patriotism...
Shockey says he saw "about 10 players" who didn't do the traditional gesture when the anthem is played, and he told some of them how he felt during Carolina's 28-13 victory.

"I was pretty upset in the way they weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," Shockey said. "This is America and you should at least give respect to America."

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Shockey-rips-Texans-for-anthem-etiquette-2410816.php

[barrett]

Shockey talking about showing respect is awesome.

[popanot]

TJ was bound to have a game like this. I don't think anyone should be shocked by it. Hell, even Schaub was prone to have a WTF moment or 2 each game. What's shocking to me is our D did nothing when it absolutely had to to stop the Panthers when they knew exactly what was coming. In addition, our RBs have got to stop giving up costly fumbles at the most inopportune times.

The only 'good' thing you can hope for out of this game is TJ continuing to learn and Foster/Tate being reminded to hold on to the damn ball. Nothing good came out of it defensively. These guys were embarrassed by the Panthers trick plays and misdirection and basically got manhandled with the exception of the 3rd Qtr. If anything, it shows that the interim DC might be in over his head and they need Wade back ASAP.

[HPF Bob]

"I was pretty upset in the way they weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," Shockey said. "This is America and you should at least give respect to America."

They were just trying not to make Houston's sizable illegal alien population feel less uncomfortable. We know how playing our anthem and saluting our flag upsets some of them.

[nunusguy]

They were just trying not to make Houston's sizable illegal alien population feel less uncomfortable. We know how playing our anthem and saluting our flag upsets some of them.
You might be right because the way things are going it may soon be politically incorrect to demonstrate patriotic sentiments when the national anthem is played, unless of course it's the Mexican national anthem.

[Joshua]

I'm wondering if T.J. is hurt more than the team is telling. He was listed as probable for the game with a right elbow injury. Not sure what the injury is, but, to me, the entire game plan looked like a team trying to cover up a QB who's arm isn't right. Very run heavy with virtually no strikes downfield.

[nunusguy]

I'm wondering if T.J. is hurt more than the team is telling. He was listed as probable for the game with a right elbow injury. Not sure what the injury is, but, to me, the entire game plan looked like a team trying to cover up a QB who's arm isn't right. Very run heavy with virtually no strikes downfield.
You might be on to something because we saw him throw the ball downfield not just to Andre but to Jacoby. The long-ball to Jacoby was the first play of the Cinci game which he dropped. And I know Andre was quoted as saying that TJ actually had a preference for throwing the deep ball.

[popanot]

I'm wondering if T.J. is hurt more than the team is telling. He was listed as probable for the game with a right elbow injury. Not sure what the injury is, but, to me, the entire game plan looked like a team trying to cover up a QB who's arm isn't right. Very run heavy with virtually no strikes downfield.Might be that he just has a sore arm from the increased reps he's seeing in practice and in games. I didn't notice any less zip on the ball. As for the run, Carolina came into the game with one of the worst run defenses in the league, so I don't find it too shocking that they went with a heavy dose of Foster and Tate. The run was working for the most part. Wish they would've used the run more in the redzone.

[NBT]

Hell, it wasn't any big mystery, Carolina's gameplan was to shut down the run on 1st & second down, and then drop the LB'ers way back in zone on 3rd down, so they could trap T.J. Terrible into throwing into coverage. And he obliged them bigtime! What pissed me off was that Kubiak should have known this was going to happen, and do his own gameplanning accordingly. Kubiak says it wasn't a trap game, but you can make your own conclusions. :mad:

[Nconroe]

You realize we had 358 yds offense to 318 for Carolina. About 150 yds on ground, but due to turovers giving up field position we were playing from behind.

Then 3rd down conversions weren't happening to stop our scoring chances

Seven wins in a row is a pretty good accomplishment.

I might be wrong but I think we had like 36 passes to 25 runs so we didn't really have two runs for one pass.

Another part of problem was penalties making it long distance on third down including that one weird play where Walters got knocked out of bounds then caught the ball for first down on 10 that got brought back for a 5 yard penalty on about 45.

Then while it was a bad day for TJ perhaps, we are 3 wins out of 4 games without Schaub. I guess Chicago and Colts would love that with their backup QB.

[Blitzwood]

You might be right because the way things are going it may soon be politically incorrect to demonstrate patriotic sentiments when the national anthem is played, unless of course it's the Mexican national anthem.

They were just trying not to make Houston's sizable illegal alien population feel less uncomfortable. We know how playing our anthem and saluting our flag upsets some of them.

????? WTF ???



Did I miss something, When did this become a Biggot Forum??

How in the Hell is it the Mexicans fault that some Texans' Players didn't salute during the National Anthem again??

Turn down your FAUX NEWS,

Explain that Again for me........

Because I'm sure plenty of us are listening now.

[Arky]

????? WTF ???




Meh, they're just being snarky.... No hate....

[Blitzwood]

Meh, they're just being snarky.... No hate....

They should have been more worried about the Mexican (Rivera) , with all of 4 wins this season, marching his team up the field and scoring on our supposed #1 rank 'good ole boy' defense... at home.

And if our running game can't get going against the Panthers, at home, then we have no real chance in the playoffs.

[Arky]

They should have been more worried about the Mexican (Rivera) , with all of 4 wins this season, marching his team up the field and scoring on our supposed #1 rank 'good ole boy' defense... at home.

And if our running game can't get going against the Panthers, at home, then we have no real chance in the playoffs.

Yep, the Cracker Sack defense had a bad day..

;)

[chuck]

Cracker Sack

That is awesome.

[NBT]

Well, let's just see if they can crack Orlavsky's cracker tonight! And that RB of theirs too.