Official Texans @ Jaguars Game Thread, 11/27/2011

[Keith]

And so begins the Matt Leinart era... at least the 2011 era.

edit... Steve Mariucci on the NFL Net's "Bold Predictions" segment said that Leinart is getting over 300 yards passing today.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/09000d5d8247e518/Week-12-Bold-predictions

[HPF Bob]

Just manage the game and get the win. I'm not looking for Leinart to be a stat machine. I just want him to complete some throws early then let Foster and Tate do their thing.

[WMH]

Ten bucks says Kubes comes out slingin it.

[Arky]

Jags win the toss and will receive.

Hartmann's kickoff goes out of the endzone so Jags ball at their 20.

[Nconroe]

Defense.

Nice to see 3 and out

Yikes, in a hole on Fosters fumble

[Arky]

MJD sweeps right for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Pass in the flat is too high, inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.

Gabbert's pass is deflected by Watt, inc. Jags have to punt.

JJ fields the punt and steps out of bounds at the Texan 41.

[Keith]

J.J. Watt plays like a 10-yr vet. How awesome was that draft pick?

[Arky]

Rollout pass is complete to KW for about 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.

Oh no, Foster fumbles on the sweep right, Youboty picks it up and takes it to the house for a Jags TD. 38 yards.

Jags 7, Texans 0

13:38 left in the 1st quarter.

[Keith]

Good grief. Andre forced that fumble. Welcome back.

[Arky]

Nice return on the ensuing kickoff by McManis. Brings it back to the Texan 46.

Pass to Foster goes for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.

Short pass to OD complete but he gets tripped up and loses a yard. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Whoa, pass to Mason is almost INT'ed but inc. Texans have to punt.

Jags fair catch the punt at their 8 yard line.

[chuck]

Kubes is letting Leinart play. I like it. I don't want to get too far away from pounding the ball and I would expect to see Tate next series, but I like the approach.

[Nconroe]

Now really need defense .
Just stay calm, long way to go.

[WMH]

Kubes is letting Leinart play. I like it. I don't want to get too far away from pounding the ball and I would expect to see Tate next series, but I like the approach.

Totally agree. Not the start we needed, but we should hold our own against their O. Good time to tinker a bit.

[Arky]

MJD gets 18. 1st down Jags at their 26.

MJD for 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.

Gabbert pressured, pass sails inc. 3rd and 6 coming up.

Slant pass to Shorts is dropped, inc. Jags have to punt.

JJ brings the punt back to about the Texan 32. Texans ball. 10:14 left in the 1st quarter.

[Arky]

Foster for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Foster sweeps left for about 6. 3rd and 2 coming up.

Big run by Foster! 43 yards! 1st down at the Jags 16.

Dump off to Casey gets 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Tate up the gut for 8. Ball at the Jags 3, 1st and goal.

Foster for 1. 2nd and goal at the 2.

Foster for 1 more. 3rd and goal at the 1.

Foster leaps for the TD!

Texans 7, Jags 7

6:15 left in the 1st quarter.

[Arky]

Hartmann's kickoff goes out of the endzone. Jags ball at their 20.

MJD for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Dump off to MJD goes for 4. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Pass to Dillard in the flat gets about 6 and the 1st down.

Pitch to Karim, TFL'ed by Barwin -4. 2nd and 14 coming up.

Pass to Dillard is off the mark, inc. 3rd and 14 coming up.

Short pass to MJD goes for 5. Nice tackle by GQ. Jags have to punt.

Keo might've gotten a piece of the punt as it only travels 25 yards. Texans ball at their 41.

2:48 left in the 1st quarter.

[Arky]

Pass to AJ is good for 24 but they get AJ for PI. Makes it 1st and 20.

Pass is a little high to Dreessen, inc. Flags down. Offsetting penalties. Replay the down.

Tate gets about 2. 2nd and 18 coming up.

Dump off to Foster gets 6. 3rd and 12 coming up.

Dump to KW only gets 7 so Texans have to punt.

Hartmann's punt goes into the endzone so Jags ball at their 20.

[Arky]

MJD for 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.

End of the 1st quarter.

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MJD stood up by Cody for a gain of 1. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Dump of to MJD goes for 31. Ball at the Texan 43.

Pass to Shorts good for 23. Bal at the Texan 19.

Karim for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Pass to Lewis goes to the Texan 3 yard line. 1st and goal.

MJD for no gain.

TD pass to Lewis is dropped, inc. 3rd and goal at the 3.

Pass is over the head of the receiver, inc. Jags to go for the FG.

Scobee's 21-yarder is good.

Jags 10, Texans 7

10:44 left in the half.

[Keith]

Leinart needs to pass to a WR. The Jaguars aren't giving him much respect downfield, and they're really clogging the middle.

Kubes, where is the bootleg?

[Arky]

Kickoff goes out of the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.

Foster for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Foster for 7. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Dump off to Foster goes nowhere. Texans have to punt.

Punt is returned to the Jags 28. Jags ball.

[barrett]

I told you guys. You can call downfield plays but it is still up to the QB whether he pulls the trigger or checks down. Schaub was hitting more big plays than ever this year even if he threw it less overall.

Leinhart has 7 completions today for 32 yards.

[Arky]

MJD for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Gabbert pressured, can't find a receiver and throws it away. 3rd and 7 coming up.

Gabbert is sacked by Barwin! Jags have to punt.

Nice return by JJ, 42 yards! Texans ball at the Jags 26.

[Arky]

Dump off to Foster gets 6. 2nd and 4 coming up.

Pass to Dreessen goes for the TD! 20 yards.

Texans 14, Jags 10

6:24 left in the half.

Whew, that's a little better....

[chuck]

I told you guys. You can call downfield plays but it is still up to the QB whether he pulls the trigger or checks down. Schaub was hitting more big plays than ever this year even if he threw it less overall.

Leinhart has 7 completions today for 32 yards.

The guy hasn't played in three years. Give him a little time. That TD throw while not a deep ball was an NFL quality throw.

[Keith]

It was under pressure, too. That was going to be a bootleg it seemed.

Hopefully it gives Leinart the confidence he needs. Surprised there haven't been more short passes designed for Andre called yet. Need to work off his rust too.

[barrett]

It was a great throw. I still think without stretching it vertically we will be in trouble against a good team. I hope we make him stretch it even though we can win without it today.

[Joshua]

I told you guys. You can call downfield plays but it is still up to the QB whether he pulls the trigger or checks down. Schaub was hitting more big plays than ever this year even if he threw it less overall.

Leinhart has 7 completions today for 32 yards.

Barrett, you're one of the more incisive posters around who rarely jumps to conclusions or posts out of emotion. This post is fairly out of character for you. Surprised to see you claiming vindication after basically a quarter and a half. You're better than that.

[Arky]

Jags bring the kickoff back to their 24, fumble, but recover their fumble.

Gabbert's pass is batted down. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Pass too high for Lewis, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.

Pass is picked off by JJo! Nice return on the INT. Texans ball at the Jags 34.

[barrett]

Look how close Jax was to the LOS on a 3rd and 9.

[Arky]

Dump off to Foster is dropped. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Foster for 1. Makes it 3rd and 9.

Dump off to Foster loses 2. Texans to try the long FG.

Rackers 53-yarder is good!

Texans 17, Jags 10

4:13 left in the half.

[chuck]

Look how close Jax was to the LOS on a 3rd and 9.

Andre said that Jacksonville is dropping two safeties very deep and that the dump offs over the middle are absolutely open and that they are the correct read and response to what the defense is doing.

[WMH]

Our D better wakeTFU.

[barrett]

Barrett, you're one of the more incisive posters around who rarely jumps to conclusions or posts out of emotion. This post is fairly out of character for you. Surprised to see you claiming vindication after basically a quarter and a half. You're better than that.

He was this guy for his whole NFL and college career. He looks identical now. He's checked it down every time he had a choice. That's not comfort, it's just who he is. Not based on a quarter and a half but based on a career of evidence.

[barrett]

Andre said that Jacksonville is dropping two safeties very deep and that the dump offs over the middle are absolutely open and that they are the correct read and response to what the defense is doing.

On 3rd and 9 they had 10 guys within 7 yards of the LOS on the snap with one high safety. No fear.

[Arky]

Karim brings the ensuing kickoff back to the Jags 32.

MJD goes right side for 29 yards.

Dump off to Lewis goes for 2. Nice tackle GQ. 2nd and 8 coming up at the Texan 37.

Pass to Dillard goes for 3. 3rd and 5 coming up.

2 minute warning.

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Gabbert is sacked by Barwin -2! Makes it 4th and 8. Scobee on for the 55 yard FG....

FG is no good...

Score remains:

Texans 17, Jags 10

[Joshua]

He was this guy for his whole NFL and college career. He looks identical now. He's checked it down every time he had a choice. That's not comfort, it's just who he is. Not based on a quarter and a half but based on a career of evidence.

Isn't his whole nfl career something like 17 starts with this being his first in 3 years? That's a pretty small sample size.

Look, you very well may be right and i'm under no illusions that we have the second coming of tom brady. However, let the guy shake some rust off before burying him.

[Arky]

Texans ball at their 45.

Leinart pressured dumps the pass, inc. Leinart hurt on the play. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Timeout Texans with 1:41 left in the half.

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TJ Yates in.

Foster for 10.

On 1st and 10, pass to OD gets 5.

Pass to JJ gets 10.

Yates fumbles the snap and chunks it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Pass to OD goes all the way to the Jags 6 yard line. 41 seconds left in the half.

Yates can't find a receiver and chunks it out of the endzone. They get Yates for intentional grounding, 10 second runoff. 1st and goal from the 16.

Foster for no gain.

Yates spikes it with 6 seconds left in the half.

Rackers is on for the FG and makes good on a 33-yarder.

Texans 20, Jags 10

2 seconds left in the half.

[WMH]

Unfreakingbelieveable........:mad::(:eek:

[Keith]

I'm on the T.J. Yates bandwagon. Who's with me?

[chuck]

I wonder if Yates will look downfield. Maybe Casey after Yates goes down.

[Arky]

Kickoff is downed by Demps....

Halftime.

Score remains:

Texans 20, Jags 10

[HPF Bob]

Greetings from the Austin Sam's Boat

Well, we spotted the Jags a 7-0 lead and have since dominated, 20-3.

Obviously, the worry is over the QB position but Yates showed a lot of moxie in his short appearance. Expect us to run a lot and shorten the game in the second half. If the defense can keep Gary Coleman from running wild on them the second half, I think we can hold onto that 10-pt lead.

We just need to keep from having to ask Yates to make plays for us and we ought to be okay.

[Arky]

Halftime stats:

Passing: Leinart 10/13, 57 yards, 1 TD..... Yates 3/6, 39 yards

Rushing: Foster 12/62, Tate 2/10

Receiving: OD 3/28, Foster 5/18, KW 2/15

Tackles: Barwin 4, Cush/GQ 3 each, Cody/Ryans/Allen/Jamison/Watt 2 each

Time of possession: Texans 14:57, Jags 15:03

3rd down efficiency: Texans 2/7, Jags 2/9

Red zone: Texans 1/2, Jags 0/1

Total yards: Texans 168, Jags 144

Penalties: Texans 2/20, Jags 0/0

Turnovers: Texans 1, Jags 2

[chuck]

I'm on the T.J. Yates bandwagon. Who's with me?

Why the hell not? I was already on the Leinart bandwagon. How much more delusional can I get?

[HPF Bob]

Incidentally, since when is it intentional grounding to chuck one into the end zone seats? I thought you could do that regardless of whether you are in the tackle box as long as the throw reached the line of scrimmage.

[barrett]

Andre said that Jacksonville is dropping two safeties very deep and that the dump offs over the middle are absolutely open and that they are the correct read and response to what the defense is doing.

I can jump on the unknown band wagon easier than I could get behind what I knew about leinhart. The lack of knowledge makes it easier to be delusional.

[chuck]

I can jump on the unknown band wagon easier than I could get behind what I knew about leinhart. The lack of knowledge makes it easier to be delusional.

Kubes says Leinart is done for the day. Kevin Harlin doesn't know it but now you do.

[Arky]

2nd half kickoff goes out of the endzone so Texans ball at their 20.

Foster for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.

Pass to OD is broken up, inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.

Pass to AJ goes inc. Texans have to punt.

Jags bring the punt back to their 30. Flag down on the play. Illegal block in back on Jags backs the ball up to the Jag 20.

[Keith]

rumor - broken collarbone for Leinart.

Owen Daniels will QB if Yates can't finish.

[Arky]

MJD for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

MJD for 1. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Pass to Lewis gets 6 and the 1st down.

Pass to Hill gets 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Owens TFL -1. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Pass to Karim is dropped. Jags have to punt.

JJ is tackled at the Texan 22 on the punt.

[barrett]

Let's take the kid gloves off and see if our season is over.

[Arky]

Tate goes for 11.

Tate for 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.

Tate for 2. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Yates pressured, chunks it away, inc. Texans have to punt. 8:46 left in the 3rd quarter.

Punt goes out of bounds at the Jags 24. Jags ball.

[barrett]

Nope. Kubs wants to win this thing 20-10.

[chuck]

Nope. Kubs wants to win this thing 20-10.

Connor Barwin doesn't.

[Arky]

Barwin with sack #3! Loss of 10. 2nd and 20 coming up.

Watt/Jamison sack Gabbert again! Loss of 6. Makes it 3rd and 26. (I think they got the Texans for roughing the passer) At any rate, Jags have a 1st and 10 at their 23.

MJD for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Flags presnap. False start Jags -5. Makes 2nd and 10 coming up.

Dump off to MJD goes for 27 yards, ball at midfield, 1st down.

Owens TFL'ed for -1. Makes it 2nd and 11.

Dump off to Owens gets 6. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Gabbert is sacked by Reed -1. Jags have to punt.

JJ fair catches the punt at the Texan 8.

[Nconroe]

Keep those sacks coming. Lousy roghing call.

[chuck]

WTF was that call?

[Arky]

Whoa, Foster fumbles but D Brown jumps on it. Loss of 4. Makes it 2nd and 14.

Pass to OD gets 3. Makes it 3rd and 11.

Foster for 5 so Texans have to punt.

Hartmann's punt rolls all the way to the Jags 32/33. Jags ball.

[Big Texas]

So I guess Kubiak is hoping that the defense will win this game.

I understand, but if you keep dropping these 3 and outs, its only so long before the Jags offense gets going and our defense gets tired.

[Nconroe]

Special teams has been fairly good today all aroundm

[Arky]

Gabbert's pass to Thomas goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

MJD gets 7. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Pass to Lewis is inc. Jags have to punt.

JJ is tackled at the Texan 18 on the punt.

[Arky]

Pass to AJ good for 14.

Foster TFL'ed -3. 2nd and 13 coming up.

Pass to AJ goes for 8. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Yates scrambles for 4. Texans have to punt.

End of the 3rd quarter.

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False start Texans on the punt backs it up 5.

Jags return the punt back to their 17. Flag on the play. Texan player went out of bounds on the punt. Jags get 5 yards tacked on, puts the ball at about their 22.

[Arky]

14:50 left in the game.

MJD for about 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.

Gabbert's pass is tipped by Cody, inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.

Flags presnap. False start Jags. Makes it 3rd and 14 coming up.

Gabbert can't find a receiver and runs out of bounds for a gain of 1. Jags have to punt.

Nice return by JJ. Brings the ball back to the Jags 38. 23 yards on the return.

[Arky]

Foster for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Foster for -1. 3rd and 9 coming up.

Pass to OD is broken up. Texans have to punt.

Punt is downed by Mister Alexander about the Jags 1 or 2 yard line. Alexander shaken up on the play. Jags ball.

[Arky]

MJD up the gut for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.

MJD for 1 and the 1st down.

MJD for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.

Pass to Thomas is broken up by GQ but they're going to get GQ for PI, 1st down.

Gabbert is sacked by Watt! Loss of 9, ball at the Jags 17.

Pass is complete to Hill for 2. 3rd and 15 coming up.

Pass to Lewis is low and inc. Jags have to punt.

JJ brings the punt back to the Texan 32. 9:12 left in the game.

[Arky]

Foster loses 1. 2nd and 11 coming up.

Foster for no gain. How about some Tate, here? A Jag is injured on the play.

On 3rd and 11, Foster gets 3. Texans have to punt. 7:34 left in the game.

Hartmann shanks it. 23 yard punt. Flag on the play. Holding on Jags backs it up 10. Jags ball at their 33.

[Arky]

McCown is in at QB for the Jags.

Pass to Thomas gets 6. 2nd and 4 coming up.

Pass to the receiver is inc but they're going to get KJ for PI. 1st and 10 at the Texan 38.

Pass to Hill good for 5.

Pass to MJD in the flat goes inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.

McCown scrambles for 7 and the 1st down.

MJD for 2 or 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Dump off to Karim gets 4. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Pass to Dillard too high, inc. Jags to go for the FG.

Scobee's 35 yarder is good.

Texans 20, Jags 13

4:15 left in the game.

[Nconroe]

Let's get some first downs here. Down to defense.

[Arky]

McManis downs the ensuing kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.

Foster for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.

Screen pass to Foster only gets 1. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Dump off to Foster just gets 5. Texans have to punt.

Thomas catches the punt and is downed at the Jag 27.

3:04 left in the game.

[Arky]

Pass to Thomas good for 5.

McCown can't find a receiver and chunks it out of bounds. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Pass to Dillard goes for 21. Ball at the Texan 48.

Dump off to Karim loses 4. 2nd and 14 coming up.

2 minute warning.

[barrett]

Quinn has been awesome today.

[Arky]

Barwin with the sack! Loss of 13.

On 3rd and 27 pass to Lewis is caught for 25.

4th down pass goes inc! Texans takeover on downs.

Texans kneel it, Jags use their last timeout.

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Texans finish kneeling it out.

Final score:

Texans 20, Jags 13

Man, what a mess is in store for the 8-3 Texans....

[Nconroe]

Whew. Lotta injuries.

[HPF Bob]

Bittersweet win. Earliest we've ever been to eight wins, that's for sure. But we're in a rough patch at our quarterback and you can see how well the running game works without the threat of a pass.

I doubt Yates has been fed much of the playbook or had many reps so let's see what his learning curve is like. I thought Yates was just slow reacting in several situations and could be much better once his brain gets used to the speed of the game.

Let's at least acknowledge what a change it is to rely on the defense to win a game instead of what it was like last year. But we definitely need to get Yates used to some bootlegs and play actions before next week.

[NBT]

I thought T.J. for being a rookie, and not having had many reps, did pretty well

[painekiller]

I thought T.J. for being a rookie, and not having had many reps, did pretty well

I agree with NBT and Bob. I think Yates looked better throwing downfield, but I think Kubiak did not call any bootlegs for him other than the one in the endzone. IMO Kubiak just wanted to run the clock out. That almost cost us when the Jags made the QB move.

I Like Yates, but I do not see him winning in the playoffs yet either. If Leinart is out for any amount of time then go sign Jeff Garcia and get him into the meetings and on the practice field now.

[WMH]

IMO Kubiak just wanted to run the clock out. That almost cost us when the Jags made the QB move.

Kubiak more or less said that in his post game. Wanted to make sure Yates came out "clean". Can't say I blame him with the luck we've had this year.....

GEEZ.

[chuck]

I keep holding up San Diego as an example of who the Texans might play in the first round. I guess I should quit doing that.

[HPF Bob]

You gotta believe in St. Timothy The Inaccurate. He actually had a decent game throwing but it was others who made the big plays in OT for the most part. The funny thing is he won at Florida with superior talent and, in Denver, he's winning with inferior talent which is actually more fascinating.

[barrett]

QB is the only position that gets judged almost solely by wins and losses. You never here a DL with no sacks get talked up because he "just wins." You never here a Defense that can't stop anyone get talked up because the offense won a shootout (even if the D got a goalline stand in the end). Everybody but the QB gets judged by how they play. The QB gets too much blame when they lose and too much credit when they win.

Mark Sanchez was that guy the last two years. They won with defense and a running game in spite of him. This year they put more on him and lost more. Vince Young was that guy before. Remember when he was magical and the team just played harder/better when he was in? Except when they didn't.

Tebow is quarterbacking a team that gives up 10 ppg. There are about 50 NFL QBs that would win when the Defense gives up 10 ppg. Leinhart/Yates can win in those circumstances. That defense is winning in spite of him. In games they finished this year that team scored more with Orton that Tebow. They just started playing Defense and running the ball (a John Fox trademark and something they hadn't done the last year and a half). Von Miller is the unquestioned MVP of that team.

[NBT]

rumor - broken collarbone for Leinart.

Owen Daniels will QB if Yates can't finish.

I thought it would be James Casey if Yates went down (perish the thought(.