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If QB RGIII from Bayloor is available in the second round of this next draft, would you give up a second for him?
Joshua
10-19-2011, 04:29 PM
I haven't watched RGIII closely enough to have a specific opinion on him, but I have absolutely no problem with us spending a high draft pick on a QB. In fact, I would welcome it.
HPF Bob
10-19-2011, 04:31 PM
No. He has better throwing mechanics than Vince Young but he's essentially Vince Young. His game doesn't translate to the NFL. By the fifth round, I *might* consider him depending on how his combine/pro day appearances go.
painekiller
10-19-2011, 07:48 PM
He is listed as 6-3 and 210lbs, for an NFL QB a little on the small side. Yes I know there are exceptions to the rule, but I am not looking for a QB playing in a gimmick offense.
As Joshua said, I would welcome an early QB in this draft, but not sure if this is the right guy.
Blitzwood
10-19-2011, 11:30 PM
No. He has better throwing mechanics than Vince Young but he's essentially Vince Young. His game doesn't translate to the NFL. By the fifth round, I *might* consider him depending on how his combine/pro day appearances go.
Where have I heard this before.....oh yea, when Cam Newton was being evaluated.
He's not stinking it up after all in Carolina, I've seen this kid play, he's legit.
While I would lean more Blitz's way than Bob's, I don't see this kid being available in the 2nd. Too many QB needy teams out there, plus, I think the kid can flat out play. Better/more accurate than VY, with lesser talent around him, IMO.
Our draft will hinge on our success this year. We win the division, Kubiak stays and gets an extension. Schaub is tied to him, and will likely receive the same extension.
We lose, new regime will likely want "their" QB, so there's really no telling what would/could happen. Could end up picking 1 mid 1st. With the new salary structure, not as big of a deal to draft a QB of the future and let him sit while Schaub plays out his contract.
Just my opinion.
HPF Bob
10-20-2011, 12:07 AM
Where have I heard this before.....oh yea, when Cam Newton was being evaluated.
He's not stinking it up after all in Carolina, I've seen this kid play, he's legit.
Not so much here but on other boards, I was saying that Newton had excellent throwing mechanics and a tight spiral, something I never saw from Young or Tebow. What I questioned about Newton was his maturity. Is he the sort of kid that's not going to read defenses or not going to stay out of trouble? But I had no questions about his physical skills.
I haven't watched a lot of Baylor games but I haven't been wowed by Griffin's passing skills. What makes him exceptional is his legs. I will say, however, that his completion percentage has been exceptional this year but Vince also led the NCAA in completion pct. in his junior year.
Thanks gents, I appreciate your comments.
If Kubs doesn't turn this team around, and I mean start winning again by beating the Titans, We will be in another dismal 3 year rebuilding cycle, after he is gone. I don't know if I could take that. But then, what's the alternative?
Kubs is trying to turn the playcallin over to the OC and just control the game, but this one is not a Baby Shanny, and I don't think he is taking to it very well.
chuck
10-20-2011, 03:31 PM
If Kubs doesn't turn this team around, and I mean start winning again by beating the Titans, We will be in another dismal 3 year rebuilding cycle, after he is gone.
I don't agree at all. There is more than enough talent on the roster to where a competent head coach could come aboard and win immediately. There's not Super Bowl talent (yet), but there is definitely playoff talent.
Joshua
10-20-2011, 04:13 PM
Agree with Chuck. I see no reason why a new coach would need 3 years to whip this team into shape. If this is the case, someone needs to call Harbaugh in SF and tell him to slow down. He's 2 years and 10 games ahead of schedule.
barrett
10-20-2011, 06:01 PM
I don't agree at all. There is more than enough talent on the roster to where a competent head coach could come aboard and win immediately. There's not Super Bowl talent (yet), but there is definitely playoff talent.
Absolutely. Go watch the talentless niners and tell me there is such a thing as a 3 year rebuilding process in the NFL. Nobody is that far from winning. Only bad coaching can lead to prolonged losing in today's NFL.
barrett
10-20-2011, 06:04 PM
No. He has better throwing mechanics than Vince Young but he's essentially Vince Young. His game doesn't translate to the NFL. By the fifth round, I *might* consider him depending on how his combine/pro day appearances go.
He has little in common with young other than race. He is undersized but a fantastic passer. Nobody throws a deep ball half as well in college football. Also one if the most accurate passers in the NCAA (total opposite of young).
chuck
10-20-2011, 08:04 PM
Absolutely. Go watch the talentless niners and tell me there is such a thing as a 3 year rebuilding process in the NFL. Nobody is that far from winning. Only bad coaching can lead to prolonged losing in today's NFL.
Bad ownership can do that, too, definitely. I like the Niners, and I like the Lions, too, for that matter, but I feel like the Texans are better, much better, up and down the roster. You know I'd love to say so if I thought different, but there it is. I mean, Alex Smith? Are you joking?
I don't agree at all. There is more than enough talent on the roster to where a competent head coach could come aboard and win immediately. There's not Super Bowl talent (yet), but there is definitely playoff talent.
Hello Chuck, how is the climate where you are? Warm & sunny I would wager. Always nice to hear again from a friendly enemy.
You know as well as I do that a new coach will also bring his broom. Who would you suggest for head coach? One who would keep the WCO, but probably opt for a new QB, #2WR, & blocking FB. Probably some of the OLinemen would be out of work or relegated to backup.
It is more than time for McNair to change his mindset, and go for some of the high profile FAs to augment a team that is 85% there.
But more than likely McNair will go the easy route and just elevate Wade, who is an excellent DC, but not a viable HC.
HPF Bob
10-22-2011, 05:55 PM
There's no question in my mind that if Kubiak is fired in the next 15 months, Wade Phillips will be named the next head coach. One thing we know about McNair is that he's not a creative thinker. He's going to do the most predictable move and that's going to be promoting Phillips. Don't get your hopes up for anyone else.
nunusguy
10-22-2011, 10:20 PM
There's no question in my mind that if Kubiak is fired in the next 15 months, Wade Phillips will be named the next head coach. One thing we know about McNair is that he's not a creative thinker. He's going to do the most predictable move and that's going to be promoting Phillips. Don't get your hopes up for anyone else.
I sorta thought that getting the HC job if Kubiak was fired was a condition of employment that Wade insisted upon before he agreed to take the DC job ?
barrett
10-22-2011, 11:37 PM
I hope Wade doesn't want the job. At some point you'd like to think he would figure out what he is and what he isn't, no matter how many owners keep being convinced by his great coordinator performances that the head coaching failures don't count.
Of course, he has won more Cowboys playoff games than all the other cowboys coaches combined in the last 15 years.
edo783
10-23-2011, 12:00 AM
A man has ta know his limitations ........ and HC is Wades. Big mistake to go that route. Not sure Kubes isn't in then same boat .... but, together they may make it work.
chuck
10-23-2011, 01:17 AM
Hello Chuck, how is the climate where you are? Warm & sunny I would wager. Always nice to hear again from a friendly enemy.
You and I aren't enemies, not as far as I'm concerned. We're all friends here despite the various and inevitable disagreements.
If the team loses two more games before the bye - a definite possibility - I'll start looking seriously into replacement coaches, not because anyone cares what I think but simply to daydream a bit. In something of an about-face I think my current inclination would be to go young and relatively unknown. But smart. I wonder what it would be like to have an intelligent head coach.
I would be happy to upgrade Schaub and Jacoby but I firmly believe the team (when healthy) can win with both. As much as I loved Vonta I am perfectly happy with Casey at TE for reasons that have been discussed here previously. No, he is not the bulldozer blocker that one might wish for but he causes so many problems for defenses that I think that one tradeoff is more than made up for by his versatility.
Yes, it is warm here and lately anyway unusually sunny. November and December are by far the rainiest months here in my immediate area and the rains usually pick up as November approaches. So far it's been relatively dry with more sunny days than I'd expect. Today was spectacularly sunny. I could see distant clouds on the other side of the continental divide (where the climate patters are totally different) and some thunderheads well out to sea, but here it was beautiful. I can tell that the dry season is approaching because the humidity is often surprisingly low during the day. Any of you who lives in Houston or has spent any time there will know exactly how this feels. When I say surprisingly low I mean like 70% or 75% rather than 90%. But the difference is immediately palpable. You'll get some days like that in October in Houston but more often they pile up in November. It's not cool during the day. It's never cool during the day at sea level here. But you can stand around outside and not sweat through your shirt in five minutes. Hell, it might take ten or fifteen. The nights are beautiful. I imagine now it's low seventies, low humidity. Clear skies, lots of stars. I practically never use air conditioning because my house is reasonably open and well ventilated but I very recently quit being a total idiot and covered (and extended) the perfectly ample back patio, put down some nice tile, built an outdoor kitchen along one side, bought a particularly nice outdoor sofa set and a dining table. So I'm planning to spend the great majority of my time out there going forward.
TheMatrix31
10-23-2011, 06:03 AM
I would much rather spend a higher pick on a WR or safety.
As is plain as day, our WR corps is absolutely nothing without Andre, and is causing us to lose games.
Nconroe
10-23-2011, 11:02 PM
well, you might be right on WR or S, but for me if best player available early is OL, a guard or tackle, I'd be happy to strngthen our OL for when we get against the really tough teams as Baltimore who seem to just run right over us and get way to much pressure on the QB.
You and I aren't enemies, not as far as I'm concerned. We're all friends here despite the various and inevitable disagreements.
If the team loses two more games before the bye - a definite possibility - I'll start looking seriously into replacement coaches, not because anyone cares what I think but simply to daydream a bit. In something of an about-face I think my current inclination would be to go young and relatively unknown. But smart. I wonder what it would be like to have an intelligent head coach.
I would be happy to upgrade Schaub and Jacoby but I firmly believe the team (when healthy) can win with both. As much as I loved Vonta I am perfectly happy with Casey at TE for reasons that have been discussed here previously. No, he is not the bulldozer blocker that one might wish for but he causes so many problems for defenses that I think that one tradeoff is more than made up for by his versatility.
Yes, it is warm here and lately anyway unusually sunny. November and December are by far the rainiest months here in my immediate area and the rains usually pick up as November approaches. So far it's been relatively dry with more sunny days than I'd expect. Today was spectacularly sunny. I could see distant clouds on the other side of the continental divide (where the climate patters are totally different) and some thunderheads well out to sea, but here it was beautiful. I can tell that the dry season is approaching because the humidity is often surprisingly low during the day. Any of you who lives in Houston or has spent any time there will know exactly how this feels. When I say surprisingly low I mean like 70% or 75% rather than 90%. But the difference is immediately palpable. You'll get some days like that in October in Houston but more often they pile up in November. It's not cool during the day. It's never cool during the day at sea level here. But you can stand around outside and not sweat through your shirt in five minutes. Hell, it might take ten or fifteen. The nights are beautiful. I imagine now it's low seventies, low humidity. Clear skies, lots of stars. I practically never use air conditioning because my house is reasonably open and well ventilated but I very recently quit being a total idiot and covered (and extended) the perfectly ample back patio, put down some nice tile, built an outdoor kitchen along one side, bought a particularly nice outdoor sofa set and a dining table. So I'm planning to spend the great majority of my time out there going forward.
Unfortunate choice of words on my part, we sometimes agree to dissagree on things. But that is what a message board is for, after all.
Glad to hear you are enjoying the sunshine. It has been awfully dry around Texas this year.
After winning handily in Tennessee this past Sunday, and AJ and Casey will probably be ready, I am a lot more optimistic. However J'ville surprised me by not allowing a first down against Baltimore until the 3rd quarter Monday night.
Warren
10-26-2011, 06:32 PM
To me Griffin looks closer to 6-0/200 than 6-3/210, so it'll be interesting to see what his combine measurements are when he does come out. I don't think his talk about trying to make the 2012 Olympic track team will help his draft status; NFL teams consider QB to be a full time job so he's probably going to have to make a decision. His passing numbers (ratio-wise, not totals) are generally better than Kevin Kolb's UH stats in the same or a very similar Art Briles offense. Kolb did have better yards per completion (13.45 to 12.29) and per attempt (8.28 to 8.25) which suggests that Griffin's ridiculous completion percentage benefits from his going more to the shorter routes.
Maybe my maroon bias is showing, but I think Ryan Tannehill would be a great fit in Kubiak's offense. He'd be tough on the bootlegs the Texans love to run.
barrett
10-27-2011, 09:32 AM
Kubiak spoke very highly of Tannehill the other day on the radio. Not necessarily about him as a player, but as a person. I think his skill set fits our offense well, and I think Kubiak would be intrigued by how raw he is at QB. I honestly think teaching QBs in one of the things Kubs does best. I would not mind a day 3 pick on him. I'm not really sure where he projects right now.
Griffin is not a very fluid player for how fast he is. Looks like more of a straight line speed guy. But he has plenty of athletic tools, solid accuracy and arm, and one of the most beautiful deep balls you will find. I have watched Baylor twice this year and both times he has dropped deep balls into very small windows. Many guys cannot get the ball to turn over in flight, but he drops it right on their head. His size and injury concerns would make me very nervous though. Size and build wise he is like Michael Vick without the escapability. I don't see how he could hold up to the punishment unless he got Peyton Manning good at throwing it away.
painekiller
10-27-2011, 11:19 AM
Kubiak spoke very highly of Tannehill the other day on the radio. Not necessarily about him as a player, but as a person. I think his skill set fits our offense well, and I think Kubiak would be intrigued by how raw he is at QB. I honestly think teaching QBs in one of the things Kubs does best. I would not mind a day 3 pick on him. I'm not really sure where he projects right now.
Draftsite,com has Griffin going with in the 3rd round at 69, and Tannehill also in the 3rd at 73.
And CBSSports.com has Tannehill as the 20th best player in the draft and Griffin as the 21st. That is best players overall not just QBs. So where they go is still any ones guess.
barrett
10-27-2011, 07:28 PM
Tannehill would not be a bad value with our late 3rd, but a lot depends on what our other needs are. It is hard to justify a backup QB in round 3 when we will likely have half a dozen spots that could be upgraded that will actually see the field in non-injury situations. Oddly, I'd feel better about a round 1 QB who we saw as a clear upgrade in the future than I would about a mid round pick that may never play (dave ragone style).
I like Texas A&M, but I'm not much of a fan of Mike Sherman. Tannehill looks OK though.
Joe Joe
11-07-2011, 03:24 PM
I'm a Longhorn, but Tannehill looks great throwing out of play action. I could see him as a Texan.
painekiller
11-20-2011, 06:29 PM
OK NBT, your guy, RGIII has my attention. A very nice arm, above average runner, and a winner.
Only down side to him is that on the last couple of mocks I've seen he has been creeping into the 1st round. Is it time for the Texans to take a QB of the future in the late 1st?
Keith
11-20-2011, 11:50 PM
Is it time for the Texans to take a QB of the future in the late 1st?
Nope. Too many knuckleheads around to use it as an opportunity to create a QB controversy. Schaub will just be 31 years old next summer.
Maybe use a 2nd rounder on a QB if Leinart proves to be an incapable backup, but not a 1st.
point to be made though... Schaub is entering the final year of his contract next season. In spite of the injury, it might be time to extend him this offseason if a full recovery is the prognosis.
OK NBT, your guy, RGIII has my attention. A very nice arm, above average runner, and a winner.
Only down side to him is that on the last couple of mocks I've seen he has been creeping into the 1st round. Is it time for the Texans to take a QB of the future in the late 1st?
He is not exactly my guy. I was just throwing him out there to see what kind of response it would get. But that was a good rollout and throwback to his right to win the game from the previously undefeated Sooners.
And no, I would not use a first on RGIII. I liked him better as a late second, or early third. Of course he could end being the same kind of player Andy Dalton has proven to be for the Bengals.
HPF Bob
11-21-2011, 08:38 PM
... to win the game from the previously undefeated Sooners.
I think the Red Raiders would ask you to amend that comment.
OOPs! Sorry about that Bob.
barrett
12-03-2011, 06:09 PM
I would take him. This is undoubtedly a super bowl team talent wise. I don't think any team in the afc is close to us talent and scheme wise at the 21 positions other than QB. Schaub is definitely good, but I would love if we took advantage of the fact we have no glaring needs to get our next QB before we need him.
HPF Bob
12-03-2011, 10:14 PM
I now believe he's going to be out of our reach by the time the draft gets to us.
painekiller
12-04-2011, 05:21 PM
I now believe he's going to be out of our reach by the time the draft gets to us.
I agree, he is a top 15 pick for sure
..........Yeah, maybe even higher than that now that he has the Heisman.
I really have to agree with Barrett about Schaub. He seems to be a little too much injury prone. He did do very well the last 5 games before he got hurt.
An angel was sure sitting on this teams shoulder when they drafted T.J. Terrific.
edo783
12-14-2011, 11:53 PM
IMO, a couple of things are going to prevent that happening. His draft position is going to be so high in relation to where we will be drafting at that it will cost a fortune to get there. The other is the TJ factor. He plays well and MAYBE wins a playoff game or two (SB .. Oh ya!) and Schaub has another year yet. We seem to not be in a real QB need situation at the moment. That could change if TJ happens to really go stinkers the rest of the season, but I doubt he does. May have a bad game or two, but I doubt a total tank job.
barrett
12-15-2011, 10:22 AM
I loved schaub as our QB when we were a team trying to break through into the playoffs. If we are competing for superbowls I just don't know.
barrett
03-05-2012, 04:20 PM
No. He has better throwing mechanics than Vince Young but he's essentially Vince Young. His game doesn't translate to the NFL. By the fifth round, I *might* consider him depending on how his combine/pro day appearances go.
Still standing by this one, or would you chance a 4th rounder on him?
HPF Bob
03-05-2012, 05:57 PM
Still standing by this one, or would you chance a 4th rounder on him?
He certainly has improved his throwing mechanics since then. Thanks for dredging up that old, old post I made.
And, no, he's not going to be drafted by the Texans, which was the topic I was addressing.
barrett
03-05-2012, 06:46 PM
He certainly has improved his throwing mechanics since then. Thanks for dredging up that old, old post I made.
And, no, he's not going to be drafted by the Texans, which was the topic I was addressing.
All in fun. The truth is any of us who has posted more than once has been spectacularly wrong on here plenty of times.
And I think the throwing mechanics were fine before, you were just associating him with Vince Young for some reason.
And as a sidenote, Griffin signed with UH originally and only went to Baylor because he followed Briles.
Nconroe
03-10-2012, 11:06 AM
Appears RG3 is going to Washington as Redskins traded up to no 2 slot in this years draft.
Probably a good decision.
All. They gave up to Rams is a first and second this year and first in two following years.
HPF Bob
03-10-2012, 01:24 PM
That's a very steep price but that seems to be the Redskin way. How many quarterback saviors have they had the past few years? How much did they spend on Donovan McNabb?
barrett
03-10-2012, 02:11 PM
Appears RG3 is going to Washington as Redskins traded up to no 2 slot in this years draft.
Probably a good decision.
All. They gave up to Rams is a first and second this year and first in two following years.
That is a giant price tag to go from 6 to 2. Way bigger than Manning cost the Giants to move up from 5 to 1. I think we will see that with the new rookie salary scale, those high firsts are more valuable than ever.
nunusguy
03-11-2012, 09:20 AM
I guess this trade blew away all of those Draft-Value charts out there for the value of Draft picks used when calculating consideration in an exchange of
picks ?
BTW, anybody know how they calculate the present value of Draft picks from future years since there's gotta be a discounting factor used, right ?
Warren
03-11-2012, 02:38 PM
:confused:BTW, anybody know how they calculate the present value of Draft picks from future years since there's gotta be a discounting factor used, right ?I believe for future picks you drop them a round per year, so the Redskins' 2013 first rounder would be worth the same as the sixth pick in the second round on the value chart.
nunusguy
03-11-2012, 03:40 PM
:confused:I believe for future picks you drop them a round per year, so the Redskins' 2013 first rounder would be worth the same as the sixth pick in the second round on the value chart.
So then that would make their 2014 first round pick only worth a 3rd rounder in 2012 terms ? That's quite a deep discount.
painekiller
03-11-2012, 08:48 PM
:confused:I believe for future picks you drop them a round per year, so the Redskins' 2013 first rounder would be worth the same as the sixth pick in the second round on the value chart.
That's the way I see it too.
Remember the risk for the Rams is that the Skins get good and their picks are late in the round, thus present value is a severe discount.
The Redskins have traded up with the Rams for the second pick in the Draft. Likely to be where RGIII goes.
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