View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Raiders Game Thread, 10/9/2011
Keith
10-09-2011, 12:52 AM
Discuss all the game action right here.
Obie and Tate are active. Obie likely the #2 today.
A moment of silence for Al....
Ford brings the kickoff back to the Texan 21. Raiders ball.
Pass to DHB goes for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
McFadden for no gain. 3rd and 5 coming up.
3rd down pass is tipped by Cush, inc. Raiders to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the Texan 30. Flag on Raiders for illegal motion adds +5. Ball at the 35.
Pass to OD gets 13 and a 1st down.
Low pass to OD gets 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.
2nd down pass goes to high for OD deep. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Foster sweeps right for 20 and a 1st down at the Raider 23.
Foster up the middle for 6. 2nd and 4 coming up. Foster limps off....
Obie for 2. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Dump off to JJ goes to the 6. 9 yard gain on the play. 1st and goal at the 6.
Foster for no gain or -1. 2nd and goal at the 7.
Foster for 2. 3rd and goal at the 5.
Schaub hits KW over the middle for the TD!
Texans 7, Raiders 0
8:09 left in the 1st quarter.
Nconroe
10-09-2011, 12:14 PM
passing game to Walters and Jacoby looked good so far, as well as Daniels and Adrian running the ball. nice drive after the defense did its job. good start.
Ford brings Hartmann's kickoff back to the Raider 14.
McFadden for 1 or 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Whoa, flea flicker/deep pass is overthrown. Receiver was wide open. Brings up 3rd and 8.
Timeout Raiders because the play clock was running down.
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3rd down pass is broken up by GQ. Raiders have to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the Texan 37 but flag on GQ for block in the back. Refs pick up the flag. 7:01 left in the 1st quarter.
Foster for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Dump off to Dreessen gets about 7. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Pass to KW good for 4 and the 1st down.
Oy, Schaub's pass is deflected and INT'ed by the Raiders. Raiders ball at the Texan 35.
Campbell is pressured and loses a yard. 2nd and 11 coming up.
McFadden sweeps right for no gain. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Campbell's pass on 3rd down goes inc. Raiders to try the 54 yard FG.
Janikowski's FG is good.
Texans 7, Raiders 3
3:26 left in the 1st quarter.
Manning downs the kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.
Foster for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Foster sweeps right for no gain. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Schaub is pressured and throws inc. Texans have to punt.
Punt is semi-blocked.... Punt rolls out at the Texan 39.
Pass to McFadden goes for 23 but flag on the play. Chop block on Raiders -15, bring it back. Ball now at the Raider 46, 1st and 25.
McFadden for 4 or 5. Makes it 2nd and 20.
Pass to Ford goes for 8. 3rd and 12 coming up.
Pass to McFadden goes for 4. Makes it 4th and 8 and Raiders will most likely go for the 55-yard FG.
End of 1st quarter.
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55-yard FG is good.
Texans 7, Raiders 6
Manning brings the kickoff back to the Texan 19.
Pass to OD goes to the Texan 47. 28 yards on the play, 1st down.
Foster for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Dump to Dreessen gets 6 but flag on the play. Refs decide no foul. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Foster for no gain. Texans have to punt. 12:36 to halftime.
Punt is downed inside the Raider 5 but flag on the play. Holding on Raiders - 1/2 the distance to the goal. Ball is placed at the Raider 2.
Deep pass is INT'ed by Allen! Texans ball at the Texan 44.
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Whoop! Throwback pass to Dreessen goes all the way! 56-yard TD!
Texans 14, Raiders 6
11:57 left in the half.
Nconroe
10-09-2011, 12:55 PM
Maybe Jason Allen just won the starting CB spot in case there was a question. And then the great play fake to wide open Dreesen. two big plays.
TheMatrix31
10-09-2011, 12:55 PM
What a freakin' play right after a turnover. I LOVE that.
Hartmann's kickoff is downed in the endzone. Raiders ball at their 20.
Campbell is pressured and throws inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pitch left to Ford loses 1. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Campbell is sacked by Nolan. Raiders have to punt.
Punt goes out of bounds at the Texan 38. 10:48 left in the half.
Foster gets 4 up the gut. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Nice catch by OD! Good for 17. Ball at the Raider 41.
Flag presnap. Offsides JJ. Makes it 1st and 15 at the Raider 46.
Dump to Foster goes for 9. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Schaubs overshoots JJ on the slant, inc. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Schaub's pass is batted away at the LOS, inc. Texans have to punt.
Raiders fair catch at their 14 yard line. 8:10 left in the half.
McFadden for about 1 but flag on the play. Holding on the Raiders, 1/2 the distance to the goal. Ball is at the Raider 7.
McFadden gets loose for nice gainer but flag on the play. Holding on the Raiders again, 1/2 the distance. Places the ball at the Raider 3. 1st and 20.
Pass to DHB goes for 10. 2nd and 10 coming up.
McFadden goes right for 3. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Pass on 3rd down goes inc. Raiders have to punt.
JJ muff it but picks it up for small gain on the punt return. Flag on the play - tripping on Texans (Harris) -10. Ball at the Texan 21.
Foster for about 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Foster for 3. Makes it 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to DA goes for 8 or 9 and a 1st down at the Texan 35.
Foster for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Schaub pressured throws it away. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Dump off pass to KW only gets 4 so Texans have to punt.
Moore gets small return on the punt, holding on the Texans (Barber) during the punt. Raiders make the Texans punt it again.
This punt fair caught at the Raider 25.
2 minute warning.
McFadden goes left for about 2.
Pass to DHB goes to the Raider 45, 1st down.
Ford can't hang on the pass, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Campbells pass to Hagan good for about 12 and a 1st down. Ball at the Texan 42.
Draw to McFadden goes for 41 yards but gets wiped out by holding. Makes it 1st and 20 at the Raider 48.
Pass to DHB goes for 18. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Short pass to DHB goes all the way, touchdown.. Raiders beat the blitz. Raiders to go for 2.
2 point pass attempt is no good, inc.
Texans 14, Raiders 12
1:09 left in the half.
Manning brings the kickoff back to the Texan 19. 1:04 left in the half.
Delay to Foster gets just 3. Timeout Raiders. 57 seconds left in the half. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Foster gets 6 or 7. Timeout Texans. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Schaub gets the 1 on a sneak but offsides Raiders = +5. 1st and 10.
Schaub's pass is tipped at the LOS, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Schaub's pass goes inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Schaub gets sacked. Raiders call timeout. On 4th and 14, Texans have to punt. 25 seconds left in the half.
Moore muffs the punt. Raiders ball at their 30.
15 seconds left in the half.
Deep pass to Moore goes inc. 7 seconds left in the half.
Pass to Hagan goes inc. 2 seconds left in the half.
Pass to Ford is good for nice gainer but the half ends.
Halftime.
Score remains:
Texans 14, Raiders 12
Nconroe
10-09-2011, 01:43 PM
well, it is a pretty close game for Texans being in control most of the first half. Hopefully we come out strong second half this week.
TheMatrix31
10-09-2011, 01:45 PM
The D is nothing without Mario.
Halftime stats:
Passing: Schaub 13/21, 177 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Rushing: Foster 15/54, Obie 1/2
Receiving: OD 4/67, Dreessen 3/69, KW 3/14
Tackles: Cushing 6, Allen 5, Reed 2
Time of possession: Texans 18:55, Raiders 11:03
First downs: Texans 10, Raiders 4
3rd down conversions: Texans 5/10, Raiders 1/7
Total yards: Texans 228, Raiders 141
Redzone: Texans 1/1, Raiders 0/0
Penalties: Texans 3/25, Raiders 7/47
Turnovers: Texans 1, Raiders 1
Nconroe
10-09-2011, 01:48 PM
does sound like Mario has a chest injury and likely won't be back second half. does seem the pressure on qb was a little less after Mario went out and Campbell started completing passes with the little extra time.
Tough game.... shouldn't be this close. Texans OL is getting pushed around.....
barrett
10-09-2011, 01:51 PM
Defense played really well. We obviously still have som secondary issues on the outside, but great defense overall. Especially bailing us out after the int and blocked punt. Secondary blitzes were an effective new wrinkle and Cushing is playing lights out.
We need to be turnover free this half and make them sustain drives.
Manning brings the kickoff back to the Texan 30.
Flag presnap, offsides Casey -5. Makes it 1st and 15.
Foster for 5. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster for no gain. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Schaub's pass to JJ goes inc. Texans have to punt.
Moore brings the punt back to the Raider 40.
barrett
10-09-2011, 01:57 PM
How did the official let himself get talked out of that penalty?
Campbell's pass sails inc. Makes it 2nd and 10.
Pass to DHB gets 6. Makes it 3rd and 4.
Campbell is pressured by Reed and throws inc. Raiders have to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the Texan 12.
How did the official let himself get talked out of that penalty?
Dunno, but it was a bad no call....
Flag on the punt gets the Texan 5 more yards. Ball is at the Texan 17.
Schaub's pass is blocked at the LOS. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Dump off to Foster goes for big gainer! 60 yards. Ball at the Raider 23.
Obie for no gain.
Pass to KW goes inc. Makes it 3rd and 10.
Dump pass to OD goes inc. Texans to go for the FG.
Rackers 41-yarder is no good.
Score remains:
Texans 14, Raiders 12
10:51 left in the 3rd quarter.
barrett
10-09-2011, 02:12 PM
Cushing doesn't get blocked by RBs. He always bounces off them and keeps coming.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 02:13 PM
I really didn't want to make this observation again......but
It continues to become more and more evident
We continue to play to the level of our competition...
It seems as though week after week our offense prefers to stay within range of the opposing offense...
And it has nothing to do with the loss of Andre...
Raiders ball at their 31.
McFadden goes left for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Campbell is sacked by Cushing! Makes it 3rd and 14.
Dump to Myers gets 13 but flag on the play. Illegal contact on Texans (Allen). Auto 1st down at the Raider 32.
Pass to DHB gets 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Bush gets 4 and the 1st down.
Pass to Schilens gets 7.
Bush for 1. Makes it 3rd and 2 at the Texan 49. Satele injured on the play, injury timeout.
Pass to McFadden gets 13 and the 1st down.
Bush starts to flea flicker but runs for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Deep pass to Moore is caught but out of bounds. Timeout Raiders with 3rd and 7 coming up. Ball at the Texan 32.
On 3rd and 7, Campbell's pass sails inc. Janikowski on for the FG.
50-yard FG is good.
Raiders 15, Texans 14
5:12 left in the 3rd quarter.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 02:26 PM
What a catch by Kevin...
Manning only gets back to the 10 on the squibby kickoff.
Whoooo, what a catch by KW! 42 yards. Ball at the Raider 49.
Foster for 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Foster gets 6 and the 1st down.
Schaub is pressured and throws it away. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster for about 2. Makes it 3rd and 8.
Pass to Dreessen is ruled inc. Kubiak throws the red flag.
Refs rule the ball touched the ground. Makes it 4th and 8 for the Texans. Rackers on to attempt a 54-yard FG.
FG is good!
Texans 17, Raiders 15
1:59 left in the 3rd quarter.
barrett
10-09-2011, 02:33 PM
We need to start running the ball effectively.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 02:34 PM
This game is just extremely too close for me...
If it comes down to FGs...
Ford brings the kickoff back to the Raider 39.
McFadden for 8.
McFadden for about 11, 1st down.
McFadden for 19. Ball at the Texan 19.
Bush gets 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
End of the 3rd quarter.
Pass to DHB goes through his hands, inc. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Raiders use a timeout because the play clock was running out. They have one left.
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On 3rd and 9, pass to Schilens goes for the TD.
False start -5 on the extra point makes the Raiders kick it again.
This time extra point is good.
Raiders 22, Texans 17
14:50 left in the game.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 02:43 PM
My question now is, "who is going to wake this offense up?"
We all know that is not Kubiak's strong suit...
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 02:47 PM
Answer: no one...
It is clear that our o-line is getting "abused"...
Panthers have gone ahead of the Saints 27-23.
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Janikowski's kickoff goes out of the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.
Foster for no gain.
Schaub can't find anyone open and scrambles for no gain. Makes it 3rd and 10 coming up.
Schaub's pass to Dreessen comes up short. Texans have to punt.
Moore fields the punt and is brought down at the Raiders 30. 13:22 left in the game.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 02:52 PM
Games like these are the reason the Texans offense cannot be considered elite...
When faced with adversity, majority of the time we cannot/will not overcome.
This game should have been a push over, yet here we are in the 4th qtr down by 5...
We have to learn how to step on the weak...
Wow, now a fake punt...clearly they want to put this game away...
McFadden for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Pass to Ford gets 5 or 6. 3rd and 1 coming up.
McFadden TFL -2. Raiders have to punt on 4th and 3.
Raiders do the fake punt and it goes for 33 yard and a 1st down. Ball at the Texan 28.
McFadden gets 4.
Pass to Ford goes inc. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Raiders use their final timeout at 10:06 of the 4th quarter.
Campbell's pass goes inc. 4th down so Raiders to go for the FG.
Janikowski's 42-yarder is good.
Raiders 25, Texans 17
10 minutes left in the game.
barrett
10-09-2011, 02:59 PM
Games like these are the reason the Texans offense cannot be considered elite...
When faced with adversity, majority of the time we cannot/will not overcome.
This game should have been a push over, yet here we are in the 4th qtr down by 5...
We have to learn how to step on the weak...
Wow, now a fake punt...clearly they want to put this game away...
Oakland is not weak. They list close games to NE and buffalo and beat the jets already. It is unrealistic to say we should step on the with no AJ or Mario. A loss would be bad but everyone expected a tough one.
Janikowski's kickoff goes out of the endzone, touchback. Texans ball at their 20.
Schaub's pass is tipped at the LOS, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Schaub is hit as he passes, ball goes inc. 3rd and 10 coming up. Should've been PI on the Raiders...
Texans use timeout #2.
Schaub's pass to JJ goes inc. Texans have to punt.
Moore brings the punt all the way back to the Texan 41. 20 yards on the return.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 03:05 PM
Oakland is not weak. They list close games to NE and buffalo and beat the jets already. It is unrealistic to say we should step on the with no AJ or Mario. A loss would be bad but everyone expected a tough one.
Forget that...
Oakland may be an OK team, but they are nowhere near what we were expected to be...
That's the problem, what we are expected to be always turns out to be not quite accurate...
My point is that great teams should be able to overcome injuries...
The only thing the Raiders have going for them is McFadden and he has been pretty much held in check before the 4th qtr...
Spin it how you want...We should have smashed these fools...
Campbell can't find a receiver and throws it away. 9:21 left in the game.
McFadden TFL -4 by DeMeco. Makes it 3rd and 14.
Campbell's pass is caught out of bounds, inc. Raiders have to punt. 8:30 left in the game.
JJ fair catches at the Texan 5.
Fonz the Boss
10-09-2011, 03:06 PM
I knew the Texans were gonna lose the minute I heard about Al Davis' death. I had a feeling the Raiders were gonna come out playing really hard to honor Al Davis... Im switching to another game, this shit is awful.
nunusguy
10-09-2011, 03:08 PM
Raiders have taken over the game in the second half and are just outplaying us. Is their D that good, or is our offense overrated, or do we miss Andre that much ? And how does a 6'6" QB get that many passes blocked/tipped ?
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 03:09 PM
If Shaub would stop throwing the ball to freaking Jacoby Jones...maybe we'd be alright...LOL
Shaub is just all off target...once he gets that glazed look in his eyes he just gets worse and worse...
Pass to OD gets 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Pass to OD gets 13 and a first down.
Schaub's pass to OD goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass is tipped at the LOS and goes inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Dump off to Foster goes for nice gain, 23 yards and a 1st down.
Pass to DA off his hands inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Dreessen gets 9. Makes it 3rd and 1 coming up. 6 minutes left in the game.
Dump off to Foster goes for nice gainer, to the Raider 32, 1st down.
Foster TFL -4. Makes it 2nd and 14.
Pass to OD goes for 5. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Pass to JJ goes inc. Texans to go for it on 4th and 9.
PI on the Raiders gives the Texans a first down.
Ball at the Raider 13.
OMG, pass to Vickers is dropped. Makes it 2nd and 10.
Pass to JJ in the endzone goes inc. Brisiel is down on the play. Looks like ankle... 3rd and 10 coming up.
Schaub gets swarmed for a sack. Loss of 8. Texans to go for the FG.
Rackers 40-yarder is good.
Raiders 25, Texans 20
2:56 left in the game.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 03:16 PM
I guess Kubiak is trying hard to justify the signing of Jacoby Jones
Hartmann's kickoff goes out of the endzone. Raiders ball at their 20.
McFadden for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up. Texans use their final timeout.
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On 2nd and 9, deep pass to Moore goes inc.
McFadden is tripped up by GQ for a TFL! Raiders have to punt on 4th and 14.
2 minute warning.
barrett
10-09-2011, 03:25 PM
Games like these are the reason the Texans offense cannot be considered elite...
When faced with adversity, majority of the time we cannot/will not overcome.
This game should have been a push over, yet here we are in the 4th qtr down by 5...
We have to learn how to step on the weak...
Wow, now a fake punt...clearly they want to put this game away...
Decent punt return and no sacks and we have a good chance.
JJ fields the punt and loses 2. Texans ball at their 37. 1:50 left in the game.
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Screen to Foster gets 11.
Schaub is sacked. Flag on the play. Facemask on Texans is declined. 2nd and 19 coming up. 1:22 left. Play is under review, cause whoa, Raiders had too many men on the field... Erases the sack but the facemask penalty is enforced. Long story short, it is 1st and 25 for the Texans at their 33.
Pass to KW gets 27 and a 1st down.
Pass to JJ comes up short but roughing the passer gives the Texans +15. Ball at the Raider 26 with 54 seconds left.
Bad snap loses 13.
Pass to Foster goes inc. 29 seconds left on 3rd and 23.
Ball is caught at the 5 by Dreessen!
Schaub spikes it with 7 seconds left!
OMG, Schaub throws the INT in the endzone. Game over. Damn.
Final score:
Raiders 25, Texans 20
barrett
10-09-2011, 03:38 PM
Ugly, ugly loss. Didn't like the play call at the end at all. You can run a fade first and then the same play on second down.
sinnister
10-09-2011, 03:42 PM
Terrible. Terrible play call and decision. This team really misses Dre
You were playing against a team whose dead owners words were "just win baby". It would have taken out best erffort to win today and obviously we didn't get it.:mad:
Fonz the Boss
10-09-2011, 03:54 PM
The Raiders defensive line played outstanding. They were putting a mean rush on us all game long. Tipped passes and QB pressures had Matt Schaub really antsy all game long.... Congrats to the Raiders organization for a great victory in memory of Al Davis... Only reason I'm not raging is because all AFC South teams lost.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 03:54 PM
WOW.....
Am I wrong in assuming that he could've just ran that in...
Why not throw the ball out the back of the end-zone when he noticed Foster covered out the backfield...
Why was Shaub trying to make Jacoby the star of this game...
I can only assume that the offense loves this last minute crap...
nunusguy
10-09-2011, 03:55 PM
We had it right there for the taking, and whiffed on the opportunity.
OK so we are basically sitting at 3-3 (unless you think we go into Baltimore next week and beat the Ravens), as we travel to Nashville 2 weeks from today to play the team that looks to be our principal competition for the AFC South this year. That will be our biggest game to that date.
TheMatrix31
10-09-2011, 03:56 PM
It is unfathomable to me why Schaub didn't run it in.
It's also unfathomable to me how Schaub, the OL, and Jacoby Jones had SUCH AWFUL games.
It's also unfathomable to me how we keep getting injuries to critically important players.
Come back soon, Andre and Mario.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 04:04 PM
If there were any questions about where Shaub should be on the best QBs list, I hope today has answered them for you.
Shaub has all the tools to be considered a great QB, EXCEPT the mentality of a winner.
Name any other top 5 QB in the same situation who would not have won this game on that last play.
barrett
10-09-2011, 04:07 PM
You are crazy if you think Schaub could have run that in. I don't think he would have crossed the 3. An incomplete pass there ends the game. So does getting tackled. So I am really not down on the INT. I do think it is a bad play call. Run a fade first to make sure you get 2 cracks, not a play that eats up all :07.
And this loss is squarely on the OL (with an assist from the play calling combo of Kubiak and Dennison). They got killed in the run game and in the pass game. The 51 called passes and ONE 4th quarter run did not help.
Schaub played ok considering the circumstances. No run game. No pass protection. No receiver who could get downfield and the Raiders squatting on short routes. And with all that he comes up with over 400 yards. His options were so limited he completed over 100 yards in passes to Dreesen. I definitely don't put it on him.
We are simply not built to play without AJ. He is irreplaceable. Nobody else stretches the defense and we become a horizontal passing game. Jacoby Jones runs terrible routes (watch how often he is coming out of a break and the ball is a good 5 yards away because he rounded out of the route instead of being sharp). He also has no ball skills (kind of a need for a big play guy).
barrett
10-09-2011, 04:08 PM
If there were any questions about where Shaub should be on the best QBs list, I hope today has answered them for you.
Shaub has all the tools to be considered a great QB, EXCEPT the mentality of a winner.
Name any other top 5 QB in the same situation who would not have won this game on that last play.
Did you watch the final play? Nobody comes close to being open. Mike Vick and Cam Newton run that in, but no QB completes a pass to anyone we had in that route.
TheMatrix31
10-09-2011, 04:10 PM
If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.
barrett
10-09-2011, 04:11 PM
If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.
Do you plan on him running that guy over or out running him?
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 04:20 PM
You are crazy if you think Schaub could have run that in. I don't think he would have crossed the 3. An incomplete pass there ends the game. So does getting tackled. So I am really not down on the INT. I do think it is a bad play call. Run a fade first to make sure you get 2 cracks, not a play that eats up all :07.
And this loss is squarely on the OL (with an assist from the play calling combo of Kubiak and Dennison). They got killed in the run game and in the pass game. The 51 called passes and ONE 4th quarter run did not help.
Schaub played ok considering the circumstances. No run game. No pass protection. No receiver who could get downfield and the Raiders squatting on short routes. And with all that he comes up with over 400 yards. His options were so limited he completed over 100 yards in passes to Dreesen. I definitely don't put it on him.
We are simply not built to play without AJ. He is irreplaceable. Nobody else stretches the defense and we become a horizontal passing game. Jacoby Jones runs terrible routes (watch how often he is coming out of a break and the ball is a good 5 yards away because he rounded out of the route instead of being sharp). He also has no ball skills (kind of a need for a big play guy).
The game is not always about how many passing yards you can put up...its about how many points you can put on the board...
The ball was on the 5 yard line. There was only 1 player who could have even made the tackle and he was still in the endzone when Shaub rolled out. You are telling me that Shaub made the right decision by throwing to a completely covered receiver who had not made a single play (receiving or returning) all day, rather than taking the chance at running 5 yards with no one within 4 yards of him?
Yes you are right the OLine got destroyed today...BUT we still had a chance to win it; and the game was on Shaub's shoulders to do it. AND he didn't...like so many times before...
400 yards....SO WHAT...
He threw for 4,000 last year...
TheMatrix31
10-09-2011, 04:23 PM
Do you plan on him running that guy over or out running him?
I would actually figure he'd Schaubcopter.
But it's better than throwing a stupid pass and having it end up in a dumb ass pick.
Give yourself a chance to win. Run the damn ball in.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 04:26 PM
Did you watch the final play? Nobody comes close to being open. Mike Vick and Cam Newton run that in, but no QB completes a pass to anyone we had in that route.
I respect you and your opinion...
But are you on the Matt Shaub for president campaign...
Believe me I like the guy and his skill set...However,
This game was clearly on his shoulders to win...maybe a pump fake to freeze the defender...maybe he continues towards the sideline to give the receiver more time to get open...maybe he changes the play call...I DON'T KNOW...but what I do know is that this loss was on him in the last seconds...and he would probably be the first to admit that.
barrett
10-09-2011, 04:28 PM
Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.
TheMatrix31
10-09-2011, 04:32 PM
Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.
Good to know you have a crystal ball there. Mind telling me the lotto numbers for Tuesday night?
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 04:33 PM
Schaub is what he is. If you want a new qb because his lack of mobility holds us back, I would listen to the argument. But he isn't going to magically get fast because we want him to score on the last play. If he tries to run he gets unceremoniously dropped before sniffing the goalline.
The argument is not in the interest of getting a new QB, its just releasing frustration about a last second play (and call) that looked, for lack of a better word, unrehearsed.
barrett
10-09-2011, 04:36 PM
And I don't bring up the passing yards to prove he had a good game. He didn't have a good game. But he is not even near the front of the line when I am assessing blame to our offense. He played under pressure all game and had no protection. Sacked repeatedly, 6 balls batted down, no WRs getting open downfield. No running game to help him out. No running plays called (or screens) to slow down the pass rush. And he still moved the ball all day by throwing to guys like Joel Dreesen.
As for the final drive, it is a miracle we get down there with a bad punt return, a facemask on our gimply RG who should not have been on the field, no pass protection, and a bad snap. We managed to convert two 20+ yard conversions just on that drive (1st and 25 and 3rd and 23).
Not to mention he already threw what should have been the game tying TD to Vickers on the previous drive (the very fact that we are throwing to Vickers shows either a coaching/substitution screw up or a personell issue).
OL, play-calling, Jacoby Jones, and bad special teams play screwed us in this game, and the AJless offense could not overcome that.
barrett
10-09-2011, 04:37 PM
The argument is not in the interest of getting a new QB, its just releasing frustration about a last second play (and call) that looked, for lack of a better word, unrehearsed.
No argument here. It was a screwup. Schaub is not a good off schedule QB and we won't win many games waiting for him to scramble for TDs on broken plays.
Big Texas
10-09-2011, 04:40 PM
I agree 100%...
BUT
Shaub still had a chance to overcome all those negatives and win the game (which is what winners do)...LOL
nunusguy
10-09-2011, 04:44 PM
If Schaub doesn't hesitate, he would have made it.
Barretts right, I just saw the replay and he gets maybe to the 4 yard line before he's tackled if he trys to run it into the EZ.
chuck
10-09-2011, 04:52 PM
I'm still trying to understand why that call was to Vickers rather than Casey. Casey might have been hurt.
I don't know why Kubiak wasted a valuable timeout challenging a call that he clearly had no chance of overturning. It is absolutely inexcusable for Kubiak to continue to make these kinds of mistakes.
Why didn't have a quick-hit play called at the end to allow them another chance if the first call didn't work?
The Texans managed to look as bad as the stupidest, most undisciplined team in the history of football. Worse, actually.
Nconroe
10-09-2011, 04:55 PM
Lot nf bad play, back to not over the hump yet.
TheMatrix31
10-09-2011, 04:57 PM
Barretts right, I just saw the replay and he gets maybe to the 4 yard line before he's tackled if he trys to run it into the EZ.
If he ran to the pylon, he would have been able to dive and hit it.
TheMatrix31
10-09-2011, 04:59 PM
I'm still trying to understand why that call was to Vickers rather than Casey. Casey might have been hurt.
I don't know why Kubiak wasted a valuable timeout challenging a call that he clearly had no chance of overturning. It is absolutely inexcusable for Kubiak to continue to make these kinds of mistakes.
Why didn't have a quick-hit play called at the end to allow them another chance if the first call didn't work?
The Texans managed to look as bad as the stupidest, most undisciplined team in the history of football. Worse, actually.
Casey was hurt. Him and Mario are expected to be evaluated again tonight.
That play that was challenged was a potential first down play. If not, we punt. The challenge HAD to be made. And it was a catch. You know it and I know it. Just inconclusive.
Kubiak had a lot of problems today, and the playcalling was pretty weak. Tough to have a good playbook without the best wide receiver in football and your two backup RBs out, but still.
This loss falls on Schaub, offensive line, and Jacoby Jones. Plain and simple.
barrett
10-09-2011, 05:08 PM
If he ran to the pylon, he would have been able to dive and hit it.
I guess you didn't see him get run down by 320 lb DT Tommy Kelly. But somehow you think he is beating the safety to the Pylon?
barrett
10-09-2011, 05:13 PM
Casey was hurt. Him and Mario are expected to be evaluated again tonight.
That play that was challenged was a potential first down play. If not, we punt. The challenge HAD to be made. And it was a catch. You know it and I know it. Just inconclusive.
Kubiak had a lot of problems today, and the playcalling was pretty weak. Tough to have a good playbook without the best wide receiver in football and your two backup RBs out, but still.
This loss falls on Schaub, offensive line, and Jacoby Jones. Plain and simple.
So with Casey hurt that means schaub played the last two drives with no running plays and Walter, jones, dreesen, Daniels and foster. Street FAs at 3 and 4 WR. Practice squad backup rb. Backup fb. And an OL getting owned.
barrett
10-09-2011, 05:16 PM
I would like to congratulate you for submitting what is likely the most idiotic thing I have ever read regarding the Texans. Please consider that I do not visit the official team site so I am not suggesting that this is the most idiotic thing ever said about the Texans; it is simply the most idiotic thing I personally have ever read.
It was clearly not a catch, and it was even clearer that there was not nearly enough to overturn it.
Kubiak has time and time again proven that he has no idea when and how to use the challenge. Neither do you. And once again, I don't care that you are clueless but I do care quite a bit that the head coach is clueless.
Well said. Not sure if it was a catch, but a stupid challenge.
Fonz the Boss
10-09-2011, 05:18 PM
I would actually figure he'd Schaubcopter.
But it's better than throwing a stupid pass and having it end up in a dumb ass pick.
Give yourself a chance to win. Run the damn ball in.
Id rather have Schaub try to make a play throwing the ball rather then try to bull rush it in and having to start Matt Leinart next week.
chuck
10-09-2011, 05:19 PM
What the hell is the deal with Bryant Johnson? Is he hurt? Inactive?
barrett
10-09-2011, 05:21 PM
What the hell is the deal with Bryant Johnson? Is he hurt? Inactive?
Heard he was hurt but active and available in an emergency.
chuck
10-09-2011, 05:25 PM
Heard he was hurt but active and available in an emergency.
Do you remember what sort of injury it is? I did a quick search and couldn't find anything.
barrett
10-09-2011, 05:27 PM
Do you remember what sort of injury it is? I did a quick search and couldn't find anything.
Not sure. Just heard it from McClain on the 610 postgame.
barrett
10-09-2011, 05:32 PM
Also heard they suspect a torn pec for Mario which would mean ir. Casey may be the same injury.
chuck
10-09-2011, 05:33 PM
Not sure. Just heard it from McClain on the 610 postgame.
I heard that too but whenever I hear that guy speaking I quit paying close attention and wasn't sure whether he was talking about Johnson or Kareem Jackson.
chuck
10-09-2011, 05:53 PM
Also heard they suspect a torn pec for Mario which would mean ir. Casey may be the same injury.
I heard that, too. This season is teetering on the edge of disaster. Andy Reid is currently in the lead in good old chuck's 2012 straw poll.
barrett
10-09-2011, 06:43 PM
I heard that, too. This season is teetering on the edge of disaster. Andy Reid is currently in the lead in good old chuck's 2012 straw poll.
Are you saying you want Andy Reid as our coach?
Just fast forwarded to that last play on the DVR, no way in hell Schaub gets into the end zone. He was @ the 5, a DB was closing in @ the 3. Looks like he tried to put it into a tight window for JJ, but obviously that didn't work.....
Also looked like they flushed him left on a play that most of his options were right.
Sucks.
chuck
10-09-2011, 08:57 PM
Are you saying you want Andy Reid as our coach?
I might be alone in this but I like Andy Reid a lot.
barrett
10-09-2011, 09:38 PM
I might be alone in this but I like Andy Reid a lot.
I don't think he's a bad coach but he's kind of a rich man's kubiak. Good team builder. Good Monday through Saturday guy. Terrible gameday coach. Probably the worst clock management around. Lots of the same things that frustrate you about kubs.
chuck
10-09-2011, 10:52 PM
I don't think he's a bad coach but he's kind of a rich man's kubiak. Good team builder. Good Monday through Saturday guy. Terrible gameday coach. Probably the worst clock management around. Lots of the same things that frustrate you about kubs.
So you're saying it would be a comfortable transition.
Nconroe
10-09-2011, 11:09 PM
If you like Andy Reid you ought to like Kubiak.
The Raiders defensive line played outstanding. They were putting a mean rush on us all game long. Tipped passes and QB pressures had Matt Schaub really antsy all game long.... Congrats to the Raiders organization for a great victory in memory of Al Davis... Only reason I'm not raging is because all AFC South teams lost.
Prior to this game the Raiders DL had been last in defense against the run.
I don't care if they were playing for their momma. We lost one we shoulda won! Schaub proved that you give him a little rush and he will give the ball up. JJ played the worst game of his career. I know he blows hot and cold sometimes, but he was iced today. Not worthy of being the #1 option while AJ is out. The TEs tried to carry the load, but only proved it takes a proven pro WR like AJ to get the defense out of their gameplan.
At the end with a chance to salt this one away, Schaub proved he gets rattled under pressure, and JJ on that last play was fronting the defender Michael Huff, but inexplicably at the last second chose to go behind the defender making it impossible for Schub to get it to him, making it easy for Huff to make the int and salt the win for 'ol "just win baby" Davis.
Both Kubiak and Wade Phillips were unable to adjust yet again to what the other team was doing all game long on defense. They also made journeyman QB Jason Camkpbell look like an all-pro.
Altogether a sucky effort by the Texans in their own playpen. Inexcusable!
popanot
10-10-2011, 07:16 AM
Maybe with the owners meeting here in Houston this week, McNair will get some more compliments on how good his team looks when losing. That should fill him with enough confidence to think he has a top echelon team and coaching staff.
barrett
10-10-2011, 07:56 AM
Prior to this game the Raiders DL had been last in defense against the run.
I don't care if they were playing for their momma. We lost one we shoulda won! Schaub proved that you give him a little rush and he will give the ball up. JJ played the worst game of his career. I know he blows hot and cold sometimes, but he was iced today. Not worthy of being the #1 option while AJ is out. The TEs tried to carry the load, but only proved it takes a proven pro WR like AJ to get the defense out of their gameplan.
At the end with a chance to salt this one away, Schaub proved he gets rattled under pressure, and JJ on that last play was fronting the defender Michael Huff, but inexplicably at the last second chose to go behind the defender making it impossible for Schub to get it to him, making it easy for Huff to make the int and salt the win for 'ol "just win baby" Davis.
Both Kubiak and Wade Phillips were unable to adjust yet again to what the other team was doing all game long on defense. They also made journeyman QB Jason Camkpbell look like an all-pro.
Altogether a sucky effort by the Texans in their own playpen. Inexcusable!
Sometimes I really wonder what game you are watching. There is plenty of blame to go around for our special teams and offense, but our defense played great yesterday. They gave up under 250 yards if you don't count the special teams fake punt. They bailed us out on both first half turnovers.
Campbell hardly looked like an all-pro. He didn't get his offense a first down until just before half time. He completed 15/35 passes. He had under 200 yards passing. And they shut down McFadden at the same time, holding the NFL's leading rusher to 51 yards.
And about not making adjustments, if you take out the fake punt, they allowed THREE YARDS on four 4th quarter Raiders possessions. How else do you think our sputtering offense and inept special teams had a chance to win in the end. the Raiders went backwards on their last two possessions, and the defense even saved us some time when the Raiders threw the ball deep for some reason on 2nd down. And the safety and CB blitzes were a great adjustment and helped get a 3rd down stop in the 4th quarter (the raiders were 3/15 on 3rd down for the day).
Great game defense, and sorry we wasted it.
barrett
10-10-2011, 07:59 AM
So you're saying it would be a comfortable transition.
After watching yesterday's game in which Kubisen called 51 passes in a game with no Andre Johnson, I would say it would be a seamless transition.
nunusguy
10-10-2011, 08:49 AM
If we would end up with Andy Reid next year, I don't see how Texans' fans couldn't be excited about that change in head coachs ? How many times has he taken Philly to the playoffs, even the NFC championship game ? Took them to the SB once. How is that not a significant step-up from Kubiaks performance here in Houston ?
barrett
10-10-2011, 01:15 PM
He has struggled to win without a June Johnson defense. And to compound that he hired his long time OFFENSIVE line coach as defensive coordinator this year. Juan castillo's DC credentials make frank bush look like Monte kiffin.
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