Official 2011 NFL Draft Rounds 4-7 Thread

[bono]

with glover quin likely moving to FS now, do you still draft FS just in case? i wouldn't mind Acho or Deunta Williams

[painekiller]

with glover quin likely moving to FS now, do you still draft FS just in case? i wouldn't mind Acho or Deunta Williams

If you read the interview on the Texans web site with the new DB coach, he said they are a split safety defense, they want both guys to play their half of the field, be able to cover, and be solid tacklers if a runner gets into the secondary. So they are really looking for two Glover Quin types. So I would say a physical FS is still in play.

[cland]

with glover quin likely moving to FS now, do you still draft FS just in case? i wouldn't mind Acho or Deunta Williams


I like Quinton Carter out of Oklahoma.

[popanot]

I'd like to see them pick up a powerful C/G (Brandon Fusco, maybe?). It doesn't look like they think Caldwell is the answer and Meyers just sucks. I'd also like to see them pick up PR/KR (no more Slaton or JJ, please!!) and a Punter. Not sexy picks, but much needed and the draft is where you get these guys, IMO.

[nunusguy]

I like the Reed selection with our second pick, but please Mr Wade can I have another ? Best case scenario for Barwin is that he's back to top form
near the end of the 2011 season IMO. In the meantime we need pass rushers.
As long as the guy can also help us in ST, I say take a long-shot on a guy who has the potential to rush the QB and don't hesitate to use our 4-round pick.

[Roy P]

I am looking at Chris Carter...Davon House...Chimdi Chekwa, Deunta Williams, Mark Legree, Brandon Burton, and Jerrell Powe

[Arky]

Tampa Bay trades up in front of us @ #104 for Luke Stocker, TE, eheh....

Texans up next...

edit: Texans trade with Redskins!

[Roy P]

We traded down? Nice...I'll take more picks.

[Nconroe]

oh, we traded down with Washington.

sounds like we swapped 4ths, got two fifths, gave up a sixth, .. sounds like a fair deal for us

[Roy P]

#127 and two 5th round picks..#144 and #152

[Arky]

Texans get late 4th and two 5th rounders..... Thank you, Shannies... ;)

Special teamers on the way....

[Roy P]

#127 and two 5th round picks..#144 and #152

I had Chris Carter ranked pretty high on my draft board, so I would have to take him. Taking Deunta Williams and/or Mark Legree in the 5th round might be an option. Wade keeps saying that Mitchell or somebody on the roster can play the NT...I'd still like a 335lbs guy like Powe to come to training camp just to see how that would look. :)

[Arky]

oh, we traded down with Washington.

sounds like we swapped 4ths, got two fifths, gave up a sixth, .. sounds like a fair deal for us

Yes, gave up a 6th seems to be the case. NFLN didn't report this....

So, the Texans have left (at present):

4. #30
5. #13, #21
6. n/a
7. #11, #51

Back to 8 picks total....

[Roy P]

OLB Chris Carter Fresno St
S Deunta Williams North Carolina
S Mark Legree Appal St
CB Brandon Burton Utah
DT Jerrell Powe Mississippi
CB Rashad Carmichael Va Tech
ILB Quan Sturdivant North Carolina
OC Kristofer O'Dowd USC
OG Stephen Schilling Michigan
OT Demarcus Love Arkansas
DE Greg Romeus Pittsburgh
OLB Jeremy Beal Oklahoma
WR Denarius Moore Tennessee
QB Greg McElroy Alabama
CB Chykie Brown Texas
S Jerrard Tarrant Ga Tech
CB Byron Maxwell Clemson

[Nconroe]

So another DB, Rashad Carmichael.

[Arky]

Yep, 610 reporting CB Rashad Carmichael Va Tech

[Roy P]

CB Rashad Carmichael Va Tech 5'10" 182 4.38

Small/Fast and tough. Not a bad pick

[Roy P]

Explosive, rangy athlete with nice acceleration and top-end speed. Lanky and slender, but isn't afraid to go for the big hit. Fearless tackler willing to engage bigger backs and receivers head-on. Gets his head around in coverage and adjusts his body nicely to the ball in the air. Has a second gear that allows him to correctively close gaps between himself and receivers who have gained separation. Light-footed, smooth backpedal maintaining still head and upper body. Displays good awareness of both the quarterback's eyes and receiver location when playing off in zone coverage. Gets his hands up quickly to make plays on balls that he may get his head around late on. Keeps his eyes in the backfield and shows good zone discipline when defending the run.

[nunusguy]

Looks like the new Wade-D is under no obligation to cover-up the mess of crap in the Texans back-end, i.e., another rousing vote of no-confidance for Kareem & Co. And you know we are almost surely gonna also add a FA CB to the mix.

[Arky]

Looks like the new Wade-D is under no obligation to cover-up the mess of crap in the Texans back-end, i.e., another rousing vote of no-confidance for Kareem & Co. And you know we are almost surely gonna also add a FA CB to the mix.

I think some of these guys are going to see more time on special teams than on the defense, i.e. depth... Can't give up on a #1 (Kareem) so soon....

[Roy P]

It would make me feel better if we were able to draft a Safety with our next pick. Apparently, I way over-valued Chris Carter and his 11 sacks and 16 TFLs in college last season. Wondering still if we get a NT or not.

[Arky]

4th round in the can:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Brandon Hogan DB Panthers 73
2 K.J. Wright OLB Seahawks 66
3 Da'Norris Searcy S Bills 54
4 Clint Boling OG Bengals 83
5 Jordan Cameron TE Browns 65
6 Sam Acho DE Cardinals 75
7 Luke Stocker TE Buccaneers 74
8 Roy Helu RB Redskins 56
9 Christian Ballard DT Vikings 78
10 Kris Durham WR Seahawks 44
11 Quinton Carter S Broncos 75
12 Colin McCarthy ILB Titans 72
13 David Arkin OG Cowboys 63
14 Edmond Gates WR Dolphins 77
15 Gregory Salas WR Rams 76
16 Chimdi Chekwa DB Raiders 65
17 Cecil Shorts WR Jaguars 65
18 Kendall Hunter RB 49ers 76
19 Casey Matthews ILB Eagles 64
20 James Brewer OT Giants 72
21 Jalil Brown DB Chiefs 74
22 Delone Carter RB Colts 64
23 Alex Henery PK Eagles 56
24 Christopher Prosinski S Jaguars 30
25 Chris Hairston OT Bills 67
26 Tandon Doss WR Ravens 80
27 Owen Marecic FB Browns 51
28 Taiwan Jones RB Raiders 75
29 Bilal Powell RB Jets 62
30 Rashad Carmichael DB Texans 61
31 Cortez Allen DB Steelers 51
32 Julius Thomas TE Broncos 52
33 Jamie Harper RB Titans 35
34 Davon House DB Packers 71

[nunusguy]

I think some of these guys are going to see more time on special teams than on the defense, i.e. depth... Can't give up on a #1 (Kareem) so soon....

Oh I agree about Kareem and we also need ST players, but I can't help but think that the Wade-corps has by now seen the tape more than once on the Texans DBs and feel like they need a plan B.

[nunusguy]

It would make me feel better if we were able to draft a Safety with our next pick. Apparently, I way over-valued Chris Carter and his 11 sacks and 16 TFLs in college last season. Wondering still if we get a NT or not.
Speaking of over valuing, any thoughts about Houston following all the way to the third round ?

[Roy P]

Speaking of over valuing, any thoughts about Houston following all the way to the third round ?

Popping positive at the Combine is a big no-no. "Character issues" have a way of devaluing a prospect. A few years ago I was very high on Carl Nicks and he got into a fight at a party after the Senior Bowl and he fell like a rock. I think the Saints ended up getting him in the 4th round. Nicks has been a very good LG and I'll be interested in seeing how well Houston plays for KC. If he stays out of trouble, I think he can be a force.

[Roy P]

Shiloh Keo played Safety, but I am not one of his biggest fans when Deunta Williams, Mark Legree, and DeAndre McDaniel were available. We shall see how this pick plays out.

[Arky]

Shiloh Keo (http://www.govandals.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17100&ATCLID=1088318), Safety from Idaho

Has punt returner experience...

[coloradodude]

Shiloh Keo, Safety from Idaho


Only a face a mother could love


:D

Thought I would add this little blurb I found...

"The Texans find more help for a beleaguered secondary at pick 144 with Idaho S Shiloh Keo, who earned praise from Deion Sanders at the scouting combine for his ball skills and hustle."

[Roy P]

Okay the next need, in my opinion is at NT. Maybe we can develop Jerrell Powe or take a guy off my draft board from Notre Dame....Ian Williams.

[nunusguy]

Keo looks like Pollard-lite to me: big hitter but lacking the kind of foot-speed to cover which is a skill that Wade seems to want in his safetys, both of them. ST player supreme though and maybe DBackfield depth in a pinch.

[painekiller]

Shiloh Keo played Safety, but I am not one of his biggest fans when Deunta Williams, Mark Legree, and DeAndre McDaniel were available. We shall see how this pick plays out.

I like this pick. Keo is another high motor guy. He will play on every special teams, he is a little slow in his 40 time, but he is always around the ball and he makes plays.

[Roy P]

I like this pick. Keo is another high motor guy. He will play on every special teams, he is a little slow in his 40 time, but he is always around the ball and he makes plays.

I have a problem when your FS and the 5-Technique Defensive end run the same 40.

[Roy P]

Might lack the athleticism to handle coverage responsibilities in the NFL. Is a tough defender, but isn't particularly instinctive and doesn't possess the fluidity and straight-line speed to mask his lack of awareness. Can lay the big hit on an unsuspecting ballcarrier, but to do so generally has to leave his feet and has a tendency to duck his head and rely on the collision to knock the ballcarrier to the ground, rather than wrapping his arms securely.

[Arky]

TJ Yates, QB, North Carolina? Umm, sounds like Kubes just took over the war room...lol

[Roy P]

We selected our back-up QB T.J. Yates. He is one of 'My Guys' so I don't have too much of a problem with this pick. I saw him play the Texas v. The Nation game in San Antonio and he should be a good developmental guy. Wondering why Kubiak rated him higher than Greg McElroy, though.

[painekiller]

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

[painekiller]

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

I guess Smith Kubiak are back in charge. This appears to be early for this guy.

[painekiller]

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

[nunusguy]

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

"Weak armed" ? No way, the kid has got a gun !
But I suspect McNair thru a crumb to Kubiak, might feel sorry for him as it would seem Wade is now the de facto HC.

[painekiller]

"Weak armed" ? No way, the kid has got a gun !
But I suspect McNair thru a crumb to Kubiak, might feel sorry for him as it would seem Wade is now the de facto HC.

from the NFL.com site there breakdown of yates
Yates likely does not possess enough physical tools (arm, feet) to be considered a future starter but has a ton of experience in a pro-style offense and could find a home as a backup. At times, appears to be a confident decision-maker in the pocket, capable of efficiently managing his team but occasionally forces throws and is not comfortable dealing with pressure. Shows good accuracy and touch in the short passing game but is not as effective when asked to drive the ball downfield. Tough player who has dealt with adversity and become a better player. Day 3 prospect.

I read has trouble driving the ball as weak armed, it will not be the first time I am wrong, but draft grade is 2.8 when 5+ is what is being drafted right now.

[Roy P]

The Seahawks drafted Mark LeGree :(


T.J. Yates is an upgrade over Orlovsky. I wouldn't call him 'weak armed' either. If I had to compare him to somebody...I'd say he was similar the Charlie Whitehurst and the Seahawks thought enough of him to trade for him. I would have probably drafted him in the 6th or 7th, but ONLY after McElroy was off the board. ONLY after we had secured a NT and LeGree. So, yes, I agree it was a 'reach' but I think Yates is going to be as good if not better than Andy Dalton and you see where the Bengals drafted that guy.

[painekiller]

from the NFL.com site there breakdown of yates


I read has trouble driving the ball as weak armed, it will not be the first time I am wrong, but draft grade is 2.8 when 5+ is what is being drafted right now.
Here is what the HuddleReport.com has to say about him. TJ Yates QB North Carolina


TALENT BOARD

Round 5



STRENGTHS

TJ is a smart QB who has the respect of his teammates and coaches and knows how to run the offense. He reminds me of John Kitna (QB Dallas Cowboys). He has good overall athletic talent and, when he has good players around him, he can be very effective. TJ plays well under center as well as playing in the shotgun. He seems to have a good understanding of the game; he reads defenses well and is smart enough to be trusted to call an audible. TJ plays a very mature game and seems to understand that not every play needs to be a succesful play for an offense to be effective. He has been very productive at the college level. TJ, in the right offense at the next level, could be a very productive and effect QB. I believe in a West Coast Offense, this kid could develop into a starting QB.



CONCERNS

Because of TJ 's lack of franchise arm strength, I think his selection in the draft may be limited to warm weather teams or dome teams that run the West Coast Offense (WCO). As he improves his mechanics and his arm gets stronger, he could be a pretty good QB for just about any team, but a team running the WCO will be the best fit for him.



BOTTOM LINE

This kid is very underrated and with the right players around him, he could easily be a starting QB for the team that drafts him. It might take some time, but the potential is there. Some teams will not rate TJ very high because he doesn't have that great arm. But other teams will see that TJ could be a very valuable player down the road and just maybe more than just a back-up. He also reminds me of Trent Dilfer, who won a Super Bowl playing for the Ravens in 2007. Trent was also the sixth pick in the 1st round of the 1994 draft. Trent struggled when playing for the Buccaneers and always seem to be signed by other clubs as a back-up QB. In spite of that, he always seemed to get on the field and be productive. It would not surprise me at all if TJ's career takes the same path because it seems in this draft he is not getting enough respect. If he can learn to get rid of the ball faster and make decisions quicker, he could become a better QB than Kitna or Dilfer. TJ has to be in the right situation for him to become productive, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the potential to impact at the next level.
The BS Detector
Drew Boylhart April/11

they have him as a 5th rounder, so maybe I am being harsh, but like Roy said, how do they have him ahead of Greg McElroy.

[painekiller]

The Seahawks drafted Mark LeGree :(


T.J. Yates is an upgrade over Orlovsky. I wouldn't call him 'weak armed' either. If I had to compare him to somebody...I'd say he was similar the Charlie Whitehurst and the Seahawks thought enough of him to trade for him. I would have probably drafted him in the 6th or 7th, but ONLY after McElroy was off the board. ONLY after we had secured a NT and LeGree. So, yes, I agree it was a 'reach' but I think Yates is going to be as good if not better than Andy Dalton and you see where the Bengals drafted that guy.

And the Texans do not have a 6th rounder. I agree I have Niles Paul, Le Gree slotted around here.

As for QBs I liked Taylor, McElroy and Enderle as prospect types,

edit**** I also like Ian Williams to play NT about now.

[Roy P]

I give Yates some 'intangibles' bonus points for keeping that UNC team together this season while many of it's stars were being suspended or injured. Since I'm not an employee of the Texans, I haven't had the opportunity to sit in on the interview process either. Sometimes, a personality that 'clicks' with the team and a potential leader at this position is highly valued.

The knock on McElroy is that he has a 'hitch' in his throwing motion. I hate that when I read it as a negative for a QB. I always resort to Bernie Kosar when somebody says that a QB has to throw the ball in a certain motion.

I wouldn't say that Yates is going to remind anybody of Joe Flacco in terms of arm strength. However, Matt Schaub wasn't considered to have a 'big arm' either when he came from UVa.

On another note....the Steelers take my guy Chris Carter.

[Roy P]

S Deunta Williams North Carolina
DT Jerrell Powe Mississippi
ILB Quan Sturdivant North Carolina
OC Kristofer O'Dowd USC
OG Stephen Schilling Michigan
OT Demarcus Love Arkansas
DE Greg Romeus Pittsburgh
OLB Jeremy Beal Oklahoma
CB Chykie Brown Texas
S Jerrard Tarrant Ga Tech
CB Byron Maxwell Clemson
S DeAndre McDaniel Clemson
S Tyler Sash Iowa
DE Pernell McPhee Missi St
WR Ronald Johnson USC
WR Stephen Burton West Texas A&M

[nunusguy]

from the NFL.com site there breakdown of yates


I read has trouble driving the ball as weak armed, it will not be the first time I am wrong, but draft grade is 2.8 when 5+ is what is being drafted right now.
Clearly this evaluation of Yates indicates he's got anything but a big-time arm, so guess I'm mistaken about that. FWIW though, after the Texans took him the ESPN crew was talking about the pick and former TB QB Trent Dilfer raved about him, his potential, and actually said he had "Tony Romo-like" skills. But he went on to say he'd be a project but sure seems to be convinced he could have an NFL future ?

[Arky]

5th round in the can:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Kealoha Pilares WR Panthers 47
2 Johnny White RB Bills 75
3 Robert Sands S Bengals 55
4 Ricky Stanzi QB Chiefs 75
5 Anthony Sherman FB Cardinals 55
6 Buster Skrine DB Browns 70
7 Marcus Cannon OT Patriots 64
8 Brandon Burton DB Vikings 77
9 Gabe Miller OLB Chiefs 20
10 D.J. Williams TE Packers 62
11 Karl Klug DE Titans 54
12 Joshua Thomas DB Cowboys 78
13 Shiloh Keo S Texans 66
14 Jacquizz Rodgers RB Falcons 71
15 Dejon Gomes S Redskins 31
16 Roderick Issac DB Jaguars 30
17 Denarius Moore WR Raiders 46
18 Dion Lewis RB Eagles 72
19 Jason Pinkston OT Browns 58
20 Ahmad Black S Buccaneers 70
21 T.J. Yates QB Texans 46
22 Jeremy Kerley WR Jets 63
23 Richard Sherman DB Seahawks 30
24 Niles Paul WR Redskins 67
25 Mark LeGree S Seahawks 46
26 Douglas Hogue OLB Lions 53
27 Jermale Hines S Rams 53
28 Lee Smith TE Patriots 59
29 Nathan Enderle QB Bears 43
30 Julian Vandervelde OG Eagles 38
31 Christopher Carter OLB Steelers 66
32 Daniel Kilgore OG 49ers 30
33 Chykie Brown DB Ravens 55
34 Pernell McPhee DE Ravens 63

[Roy P]

I'm guessing we are going to draft OL with our final pick or take a flyer on a WR. I'm giving up hope for a NT.

[dadmg]

and former TB QB Trent Dilfer raved about him, his potential, and actually said he had "Tony Romo-like" skills.

Not sure if I'd put that commendation as a positive; Dilfer always seems to be infatuated with mediocre quarterbacks. Project much?

[Roy P]

I think we need to keep in perspective that this was a 5th round pick projected to become a back-up QB. They all can't be Tom Brady.

On another note....Jerrell Powe is taken by KC. So, maybe Ian Williams from N.D. or Chris Neild from WVa.

[Blitzwood]

That "Mr. Irrelevant" pick is gonna be worth alot more this year. With the lockout in place, teams can't sign UDFA until it's resolved. If a team wants a guy that has fallen, they're gonna have to draft him to make sure they get him. Otherwise, they risk losing him to another team.

Wonder what its worth to some teams, maybe a 5th next year???:eek:

Pimp that last pick Kubes!!

[TexanJedi]

That "Mr. Irrelevant" pick is gonna be worth alot more this year. With the lockout in place, teams can't sign UDFA until it's resolved. If a team wants a guy that has fallen, they're gonna have to draft him to make sure they get him. Otherwise, they risk losing him to another team.

Wonder what its worth to some teams, maybe a 5th next year???:eek:

Pimp that last pick Kubes!!

Cannot trade, it is a compensatory pick.

[Roy P]

OC Kristofer O'Dowd USC 6'4" 304 5.12
OG Stephen Schilling Michigan 6'4" 308 5.18
OT Demarcus Love Arkansas 6'4" 318 5.18

[TexanJedi]

OC Kristofer O'Dowd USC 6'4" 304 5.12
OG Stephen Schilling Michigan 6'4" 308 5.18
OT Demarcus Love Arkansas 6'4" 318 5.18

Only O'Dowd is left. Schilling just went to San Diego, and Love went earlier to Minny.

[Arky]

6th round in the can:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Lawrence Wilson OLB Panthers 59
2 Ryan Whalen WR Bengals 45
3 Demarcus Love OT Vikings 59
4 Chris White ILB Bills 43
5 Mistral Raymond S Vikings 30
6 Quan Sturdivant ILB Cardinals 72
7 Brandon Fusco C Vikings 45
8 Byron Maxwell DB Seahawks 46
9 Charles Clay FB Dolphins 59
10 Byron Stingily OT Titans 43
11 Dwayne Harris WR Cowboys 69
12 Evan Royster RB Redskins 31
13 Aldrick Robinson WR Redskins 57
14 Caleb Schlauderaff OG Packers 30
15 Tyrod Taylor QB Ravens 60
16 Richard Gordon TE Raiders 30
17 Ronald Johnson WR 49ers 50
18 Jordan Todman RB Chargers 65
19 David Carter DT Cardinals 30
20 Greg Jones ILB Giants 62
21 D.J. Smith OLB Packers 33
22 Allen Bradford RB Buccaneers 40
23 Chris L. Rucker DB Colts 52
24 Mike Mohamed ILB Broncos 45
25 Colin Jones S 49ers 30
26 Jason Kelce C Eagles 30
27 Matt Bosher P Falcons 36
28 Brian Rolle OLB Eagles 48
29 Markell Carter DE Patriots 30
30 J.T. Thomas OLB Bears 40
31 Keith Williams OG Steelers 48
32 Rick Elmore DE Packers 35
33 Tyler Sash S Giants 67
34 Jerrell Powe DT Chiefs 41
35 Ross Homan OLB Vikings 65
36 Steve Schilling OG Chargers 30
37 Jacquian Williams -- Giants --
38 Zachary Williams C Panthers 30

[Roy P]

McElroy gets selected at #208 to be the backup to Mark Sanchez. So, perhaps the Texans were afraid their backup would not make it down to #214 and went ahead and pulled the trigger on Yates in the 5th round. Without the 6th round pick...I can see the logic if they went into the draft wanting to address the backup QB position.

[Roy P]

Only O'Dowd is left. Schilling just went to San Diego, and Love went earlier to Minny.

Ah....then I suppose O'Dowd is my guy to play OC then. :D

[Roy P]

I haven't been paying close enough attention because they aren't 'announcing' the picks anymore. Just going over all the guys that have already been selected. Has my WR been drafted, yet?

WR Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State 6'2" 211 4.4
WR Stephen Burton West Texas A&M 6'1" 221 4.5

[Arky]

Texans two picks away....

[Arky]

Derek Newton (http://www.astateredwolves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7200&ATCLID=1514391), T, Ark St.

[painekiller]

Derek Newton (http://www.astateredwolves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7200&ATCLID=1514391), T, Ark St.

Seems to be a developmental swing guy. Has good size and solid feet. Can get to the 2nd level. I would guess he is a practice squad guy and/or insurance for Butler being a FA.

[painekiller]

Could we get Ian Williams or Chris Neild to play NT?

Or Jeremy Beal Oklahoma to convert to OLB and possible spend time on the PS?

[painekiller]

Wow Deandre McDaniel and Deunta Williams have not been taken, both solid safeties could one of them be 254?

[Arky]

Wow Deandre McDaniel and Deunta Williams have not been taken, both solid safeties could one of them be 254?

There is still the UDFA process.... The Texans probably got there eye on a few of these....

[painekiller]

FYI on Keo from thehuddlereport.com Shiloh Keo S Idaho


TALENT BOARD

Round 2



STRENGTHS

Shiloh has the aggressiveness and the leadership ability you look for in a safety to impact at the next level. He is tough as nails and has the football instincts to strike in lightning-quick fashion like Bob Sanders (S Colts). Shiloh is very smart and understands situational football. He has a presence out on the field that everyone who plays with him, coaches him, coaches against him and plays against him sees and respects. Shiloh will impact as a starting safety and be your team's featured player on all special teams units. He has very quick feet and is a head up, wrap up, squeeze and drive tackler. He leads by example and makes the players around him better by example. He is a team player all the way. In spite of what I have just written, I suspect that Shiloh (Nails) Keo would need a search dog assigned to every team in this draft to find him and draft him in the first three rounds.



CONCERNS

Shiloh is too small, too slow and not athletic enough play his position at the next level. He has to play at such a high level of destruction that injuries will be a concern. All of this said, if your team doesn't draft him and has to play against him in the same division, I pity your team.



BOTTOM LINE

As I stated, Shiloh is undersized, slow and too limited athletically to play his position at the next level. However, when he is on the field, he is a difference maker and your team's defense takes on a whole different persona. It becomes vicious and calculating in it's thinking and execution. Your defense becomes unpredictable. Wide Receivers catch the ball with one eye looking into the line of scrimmage and the other eye looking out to the defensive backfield. In a two-deep zone, running backs will do anything to run to the other side of the field from Shiloh only to be tackled for losses and short gains. This kid will be in the head of a QB and an offensive coordinator a week before the game. He is the type of player that an offense has to game plan for in both the run and the pass games. Bob Sanders (S Colts) was drafted in the 2nd round of the 2004 draft. When he was on the field, the Colts' defense was a different defense and he was responsible for that. Shiloh has that same ability. His instincts, quickness, football intelligence and do anything attitude for the team makes a huge difference. Draft this kid in any round and I know you will never be sorry. He is the type of kid that if you asked him to go into the game and play nose guard in a 3-4 defense, he would do it and make an impact play. Using the two board system, you will see that Shiloh (Nails) Keo might not be drafted until the later rounds. The good news is that this will not change his impact the day after you draft him. He will impact for your team like a player who was selected in the 2nd round. That's the round I would look very hard at drafting Shiloh. This kid is a football player. He is not a track star trying to play football...he is just a football player. You know what you're drafting with this kid. He is a fighter, a leader. Shiloh strikes me as the type of person who helps others and goes towards the catastrophe to do just that instead of running to save himself. He is tough as nails and will hold up your defense when others can't. That's what I see on the film when I watch this kid play. I see Bob Sanders.

The BS Detector

Drew Boylhart March/11

[Arky]

Mr. Irrelevent - Cheta Ozougwu (http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ozougwu_cheta00.html), DE, Rice

[Arky]

Round 7 in the books:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Virgil Green TE Broncos 77
2 Lazarius Levingston DE Seahawks 30
3 Justin Rogers DB Bills 42
4 Korey Lindsey DB Bengals 43
5 Greg McElroy QB Jets 49
6 Johnny Culbreath OT Lions 30
7 Andrew Jackson OG Falcons 59
8 Bruce Miller DE 49ers 57
9 Zach Clayton DT Titans 44
10 Brandyn Thompson DB Redskins 33
11 Derek Newton OT Texans 49
12 De'Aundre Reed DE Vikings 43
13 Mikail Baker -- Rams --
14 Maurice Hurt OG Redskins 43
15 Ryan Taylor TE Packers --
16 Malcolm Williams -- Patriots --
17 Shaun Chapas FB Cowboys 48
18 Da'Rel Scott RB Giants 38
19 Anthony Gaitor DB Buccaneers 49
20 Shane Bannon RB Chiefs --
21 Markus White DE Redskins 31
22 Anthony Allen RB Ravens 49
23 Greg Romeus DE Saints 62
24 Scotty McKnight WR Jets 30
25 Jabara Williams OLB Rams 37
26 Jonathan Nelson DB Rams 37
27 Cliff Matthews DE Falcons 73
28 Frank Kearse DT Dolphins 20
29 Baron Batch RB Steelers 30
30 Lawrence Guy DT Packers 66
31 Andrew Gachkar OLB Chargers 30
32 Jimmy Wilson -- Dolphins --
33 Stephen Burton WR Vikings 39
34 Greg Lloyd ILB Eagles 34
35 Daniel Hardy TE Buccaneers 49
36 Michael Person OT 49ers 30
37 Stanley Havili FB Eagles 36
38 David Ausberry WR Raiders 30
39 Malcolm Smith OLB Seahawks 30
40 Nathan Bussey OLB Saints 31
41 Lee Ziemba OT Panthers 71
42 MIchael Jasper DT Bills --
43 Jay Finley RB Bengals 30
44 Jeremy Beal DE Broncos 70
45 Eric Hagg S Browns 58
46 Demarco Sampson WR Cardinals 30
47 Curtis Holcomb DB 49ers 20
48 Tommie Campbell S Titans 20
49 Bill Nagy -- Cowboys --
50 Christopher Neild DT Redskins 31
51 Cheta Ozougwu DE Texans 34

[painekiller]

Guys that were not drafted. BY NFL.com 's draft grade

Burney, Kendric DB 5'9" 186 North Carolina 6.3
Ziemba, Daniel OL 6'6" 317 Auburn 6.0
McDaniel, Deandre SS 6'0" 217 Clemson 5.7
Locke, Derrick RB 5'8" 188 Kentucky 5.6
Lockette, Ricardo WR 6'2" 211 Fort Valley St. 5.2
Williams, Deunta CB 6'2" 205 North Carolina 4.8
Williams, Ian DL 6'1" 319 Notre Dame 4.8
Bellore, Nick LB 6'1" 245 Central Michigan 4.8
Hamler, Jamel WR 6'1" 193 Fresno St. 4.6
Adams, Darvin WR 6'2" 190 Auburn 4.5
Saunders, Weslye TE 6'5" 270 South Carolina 4.5
Thornton, Cedric DL 6'3" 309 Southern Arkansas 4.5
Lutrus, Scott LB 6'2" 241 Connecticut 4.3
Toliver, Terrence WR 6'4" 212 LSU 4.3
Clay, John RB 6'1" 230 Wisconsin 4.2
Cooper, Graig RB 5'10" 205 Miami 4.2
Allen, Pierre DL 6'4" 273 Nebraska 4.1
Davis, Joshua OL 6'7" 313 Georgia 4.1
Herzlich, Mark LB 6'4" 244 Boston College 4.1
Lemon, Orie LB 6'1" 242 Oklahoma St. 4.1
Sanzenbacher, Dane WR 5'11" 182 Ohio St. 4.0
Winterswyk, Ryan DL 6'4" 268 Boise St. 4.0
Devlin, Patrick QB 6'3" 225 Delaware 3.9
Parker, Martin DL 6'2" 303 Richmond 3.9
Forbath, Kai K 5'11" 197 UCLA 3.8
Hurd, Zachary OL 6'7" 316 Connecticut 3.8
Johnson, Jeron SS 5'10" 212 Boise St. 3.8
McGee, Andrew DB 5'11" 195 Oklahoma St. 3.8
Lefeged, Joe DB 6'0" 210 Rutgers 3.3
Henry, Chas P 6'3" 215 Florida 2.1

Now I am not saying pick all these guys, but many of these guys will be the most coveted UDFA guys.

[chuck]

Are NFL teams prohibited from contacted the undrafted guys or are they simply prohibited from signing them at this point?

[Arky]

Are NFL teams prohibited from contacted the undrafted guys or are they simply prohibited from signing them at this point?

Ya, Vandermeer said on the radio no contact can be made with UDFAs until the NFL straightens out their mess. So, all those guys are in limbo until then...

[nunusguy]

Mr. Irrelevent - Cheta Ozougwu (http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ozougwu_cheta00.html), DE, Rice
Local guy and a real student/athlete as it seems he's carrying a 3.4 with an Econ major. Texans throw in some pos PR along with the pick. And he's a 255 lb DE which obviously means an OLB in our 3-4. I like it all the way around !

[Fonz the Boss]

Im very excited about this year's team... especially on the defensive side. Now if they could only end the lockout so all these guys can get to work.

[WMH]

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

Hey, PK - What are your thoughts on Yates now?
;)

LOL - Just jesting with you a bit.

[painekiller]

Hey, PK - What are your thoughts on Yates now?
;)

LOL - Just jesting with you a bit.

I will own up to being a reactionary draft watcher.

But I think there is another post from the week following the draft where I soften my take on this pick. After the draft was over I remember watching TJ bringing back North Carolina to beat a danged good LSU. So once I started remembering the couple of games I saw of Carolina, I liked the pick.

Also I believe I sung the praises of TJ at the the open practices this summer.

I will own up to being stupid for not having TJ on my radar

[WMH]

I will own up to being a reactionary draft watcher.

But I think there is another post from the week following the draft where I soften my take on this pick. After the draft was over I remember watching TJ bringing back North Carolina to beat a danged good LSU. So once I started remembering the couple of games I saw of Carolina, I liked the pick.

Also I believe I sung the praises of TJ at the the open practices this summer.

I will own up to being stupid for not having TJ on my radar

Its all good man. Hard to find a diamond in the rough QB3 out of 10,000 candidates, especially with "normal" resources.

I just find it amusing to go back and read all of our bitching, and later to find out I/we were wrong, and the guys that get paid big bucks for doing it were actually right.

But that one time we do get something over them.......:D