Official 2011 NFL Draft Round 2 & 3 Thread

[painekiller]

What I would do:

43 Stephen Paea NT
73 Dontay Moch OLB

Paea is quick and strong, in a one gap system he should be a force in the middle. Would work in a rotation with Mitchell.

Moch played for Wade at the Shrine Game, has the raw speed that few LBs have. Needs refinement, should be a ST gem, and has tools to play in places now.

Hedge my bets option

43 Brandon Harris CB

What I think the Texans do:

43 Brooks Reed OLB
73 Davon House CB or Jalil Brown, CB

[popanot]

What I would do is move up to get Aaron Williams. What they'll probably do is stand pat and take Kyle Rudolph or someone to backup our ILB's or something.

[nunusguy]

They gotta get a pass-rusher with their next pick, and at the very least 2 of them with the remaining picks they have tonight and tomorrow. I'd be really surprised if they went to a position besides OLB, even corner, with their 2nd round pick ? All indications are the Texans want to get a vet corner,
and I'm thinking that the Texans have enough "inside-info" about when FA will open up and are confidant they can their man whoever that may be ?

[WMH]

If Williams is gone, wouldn't mind seeing a Brooks Reed, Justin Houston, or Rahim Moore.
Need a S and an OLB today, IMO.

Day 3 CB's would be fine. That spot should be addressed in FA too, whenever that starts.

With Watt on board, we need an edge rusher to get back there and cause some troubles. A legitimate pass rush will work WONDERS for our secondary.

[Blitzwood]

I think in the second I'd have to go OLB. If we wait until the third most of the quality OLB are gone. With Watt being as slow as he is, we'll need some speed, maybe:

A. Ayers
J. Houston
B Reed
J Sheard
Marvin Austin


3rd round

Brandon Harris
Curtis Brown
Ras I Dowling
A Black
B Burton
N.Irving
C Matthews
B Carter
L. Hankerson
B Harris
K. Shepperd
A. Dent
Martin Parker
Jarvis Jenkins
J Casey
Drake Nevis

[Nconroe]

There seems to be quite a few good OLB, CB remaining.

Wonder if they might now trade down to get an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick?

[WMH]

PFT 2nd Rd. Mock has us taking Ayers.
Dowling, Houston, Paea, Harris, Moch were still on thier board, but taken in the 2nd.

So, since our beloved Texans follow Mocks so closely.......
We will take none of these guys.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/29/pfts-second-round-mock-draft/

[Roy P]

Okay, we drafted Watt so the Bowers pick might be a waste and he may be off the board by the time we draft. Yet, if he's still there when we pick, I'd be inclined to take him anyway. Then again, I don't know the prognosis on his medical chart and it has to be bad if nobody drafted him in the first round. So, here is the rest of my best....

1 OLB Brooks Reed Arizona 6'3" 263 4.65
2 OLB Justin Houston Georgia 6'3" 270 4.62
3 OLB Jabaal Sheard Pittsburgh 6'3" 264 4.68
4 ILB Chris Carter Fresno St 6'1" 248 4.58
5 CB Curtis Brown Texas 6'0" 185 4.51
6 CB Brandon Harris Miami 5'10" 191 4.46
7 S Aaron Williams Texas 6'0" 204 4.55
8 CB Ras-I-Dowling Virginia 6'1" 198 4.4
9 OLB Sam Acho Texas 6'2" 260 4.67
10 ILB Martez Wilson Illinois 6'4" 250 4.42
11 ILB Bruce Carter North Carolina 6'2" 241 4.57
12 DT Kenrick Ellis Hampton 6'5" 346 5.19
13 S Rahim Moore UCLA 6'0" 202 4.58
14 CB Davon House New Mexico St 6'1" 200 4.44
15 DT Jarvis Jenkins Clemson 6'4" 310 5.03
16 DE Christian Ballard Iowa 6'4" 283 4.75
17 CB Chimdi Chekwa Ohio St 6'0" 191 4.38
18 WR Randall Cobb Kentucky 5'11" 195 4.52
19 S Deunta Williams North Carolina 6'1" 215 4.53
20 OLB Dontay Moch Nevada 6'1" 248 4.4
21 S Mark Legree Appal St 6'0" 211 4.49
22 CB Brandon Burton Utah 6'0" 190 4.5
23 DT Jurrell Casey USC 6'1" 300 5.04
24 DT Jerrell Powe Mississippi 6'2" 335 5.25
25 CB Rashad Carmichael Va Tech 5'10" 182 4.38
26 LB Colin McCarthy Miami 6'1" 238 4.59
27 ILB Quan Sturdivant North Carolina 6'1" 241 4.63
28 WR Titus Young Boise State 6'0" 170 4.43
29 OC Stefen Wisniewski Penn St. 6'3" 313 5.29
30 OC Kristofer O'Dowd USC 6'4" 304 5.12

[Roy P]

I think in the second I'd have to go OLB. If we wait until the third most of the quality OLB are gone. With Watt being as slow as he is, we'll need some speed, maybe:

A. Ayers


I really couldn't let this go...as much as I would not have selected Watt at #11, you can't say that he's 'slow' and then turn around and say we need some 'speed' with Akeem Ayers!

Watt is 6'5" 290lbs and ran a 4.81 - 40 and a 6.88 -Cone.
Ayers is 6'3" 254lbs and ran a 4.81 - 40 and did not register one of the fastest times in the Cone so it wasn't reported.

The 2 guys I'd like at OLB, Brooks Reed was clocked at 7.11 and Justin Houston turned in a 6.95 in their 3-Cone drill, so Watt did better than those guys in terms of quickness. Even the much-heralded Von Miller scored a 6.7 at the much lighter weight of 246lbs. So, Watt is NOT slow.

[idymoe]

I'm feeling pretty good knowing that at least one of your top 10 will be there at our pick.

IMO the most likely not to be there are Reed and Williams. I would really like Williams. However, I think at least half those guys will be available, plus some others I would be happy with.

Ayers and Paea could be taken in the first 9, as well as Leshoure, Dalton and Mallett. Also, Pinkston, Bowers and Martel Wilson could be in the mix to go in the 1st 9.

I would be happiest with Houston, Sheard, Carter or Dontay Moch as a bit of a reach. House would be okay, too.

Maybe in the 3rd we could get Johnny Patrick, Sione Fua, Brandon Burton, Deunta Williams or Chekwa.

By the way, I really like the Watt pick. I would have liked Quinn, too.

[Arky]

Aaron Williams to Buffalo @ #34....

A Dalton to Bengals @ #35...

[nunusguy]

So far the 2nd round is shaping up good for us if you assume our top objective is a rush LB.

[Arky]

Titans, Cowboys, Redskins, Texans due up next......

Texans oughta be able to get a need/value/whoever they want....

[Roy P]

Watt is 6'5" 290lbs and ran a 4.81 - 40 and a 6.88 -Cone.
Ayers is 6'3" 254lbs and ran a 4.81 - 40 and did not register one of the fastest times in the Cone so it wasn't reported.



Just found out that Ayers ran a 7.52 in his Cone drill. Not worried about him going to the Titans. :)

[Roy P]

Brooks Reed, Justin Houston, Chris Carter, Curtis Brown, Brandon Harris, Sam Acho, Martez Wilson, Kenrick Ellis, or Rahim Moore. I'd be happy with Davon House or Jarvis Jenkins too.

Please.....come on Texans.

[Arky]

Redskins take Jarvis Jenkins @ #41. Texans up next....

I'll take Brooks Reed for $100, Alex....

[idymoe]

Brooks Reed! I thought for sure he wouldn't make it to our pick.

[nunusguy]

Another white boy ? Dang, the NCAA is gonna be protesting.
Sorry, sorry I really like the pick. He can rush the QB.
Hey, isn't that Mitchs teammate ?

[idymoe]

6' 3" 263 4.65

Got anymore numbers at your fingertips, Roy?

[TexanJedi]

Reed had the fastest 10 yard split of any defensive lineman at the combine.

[Roy P]

6' 3" 263 4.65

Got anymore numbers at your fingertips, Roy?

30 Reps at 225lbs, 7.11 3-Cone drill

1 Pretty Fu(king happy Texans fan! I want my jersey!!!

[idymoe]

Thanks, Roy. I'm pretty dang happy my own self.

[Roy P]

I have my eye upon Curtis Brown for the 3rd round. That guy can tackle and really impressed me at the Combine.

I am curious about Houston, Carter, B. Harris, Acho, Wilson, Ellis, House, Chekwa, Deunta Williams, and Mark Legree.....

My sleeper NT is Jurrell Casey and I think Jerrell Powe could also make a good NT.

[Arky]

First half of Round 2:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Ras-I Dowling DB Patriots 86
2 Aaron Williams DB Bills 88
3 Andy Dalton QB Bengals 86
4 Colin Kaepernick QB 49ers 81
5 Jabaal Sheard DE Browns 87
6 Ryan Williams RB Cardinals 88
7 Akeem Ayers OLB Titans 88
8 Bruce Carter OLB Cowboys 84
9 Jarvis Jenkins DT Redskins 78
10 Brooks Reed DE Texans 90
11 Kyle Rudolph TE Vikings 89
12 Titus Young WR Lions 83
13 Rahim Moore S Broncos 83
14 Orlando Franklin OG Broncos 79
15 Lance Kendricks TE Rams 81
16 Stefen Wisniewski C Raiders 62

[nunusguy]

We've got us a rush 'backer, now lets do something crazy and wild and move up and get another one in the person of Dantey Moch. Why not ?

[Roy P]

We've got us a rush 'backer, now lets do something crazy and wild and move up and get another one in the person of Dantey Moch. Why not ?

We moved up??? Maybe a CB Brandon Harris?

[Roy P]

Yes, it was Brandon Harris. The Consensus opinion was he was one of the better CB's after the first two. I liked Curtis Brown more than this guy, but won't kill the GM for making a move to get the guy Wade wanted.

[Nconroe]

I agree, this is three good defensive players we got so far this draft.

What did we give to NE to move up?

[Blitzwood]

I think in the second I'd have to go OLB. If we wait until the third most of the quality OLB are gone. With Watt being as slow as he is, we'll need some speed, maybe:

A. Ayers
J. Houston
B Reed
J Sheard
Marvin Austin


3rd round

Brandon Harris
Curtis Brown
Ras I Dowling
A Black
B Burton
N.Irving
C Matthews
B Carter
L. Hankerson
B Harris
K. Shepperd
A. Dent
Martin Parker
Jarvis Jenkins
J Casey
Drake Nevis

Thank you Wade, may I have another!

[Arky]

Texans give up 3rd and 5th round picks to move up and grab CB Brandon Harris. If you look at it as taking the 3rd rounder in the 2nd, then it only cost a 5th. i.e. two 2nd rounders, no 3rd, no 5th. Will have picks in 4th, 6th and two 7ths.... Texans through for the day (pending any more surprises)...

Harris is a little small for my taste but he is supposed to be strong in coverage....

[Blitzwood]

What did we give up?

[Roy P]

If we walk away with a NT like Kenrick Ellis and a FS like Mark Legree, I'll give this draft an A+

[Arky]

2nd round complete:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Ras-I Dowling DB Patriots 86
2 Aaron Williams DB Bills 88
3 Andy Dalton QB Bengals 86
4 Colin Kaepernick QB 49ers 81
5 Jabaal Sheard DE Browns 87
6 Ryan Williams RB Cardinals 88
7 Akeem Ayers OLB Titans 88
8 Bruce Carter OLB Cowboys 84
9 Jarvis Jenkins DT Redskins 78
10 Brooks Reed DE Texans 90
11 Kyle Rudolph TE Vikings 89
12 Titus Young WR Lions 83
13 Rahim Moore S Broncos 83
14 Orlando Franklin OG Broncos 79
15 Lance Kendricks TE Rams 81
16 Stefen Wisniewski C Raiders 62
17 Benjamin Ijalana OT Colts 73
18 Marcus Gilchrist DB Chargers 78
19 Da'Quan Bowers DE Buccaneers 91
20 Marvin Austin DT Giants 86
21 Stephen Paea DT Bears 85
22 Jaiquawn Jarrett S Eagles 78
23 Rodney Hudson C Chiefs 83
24 Shane Vereen RB Patriots 73
25 Mikel Leshoure RB Lions 86
26 Torrey Smith WR Ravens 82
27 Greg Little WR Browns 81
28 Brandon Harris DB Texans 85
29 Jonas Mouton OLB Chargers 57
30 Daniel Thomas RB Dolphins 78
31 Marcus Gilbert OT Steelers 77
32 Randall Cobb WR Packers 84

[Keith]

Can't complain so far... and I can't say I've said that about too many Texans drafts over the years.

[Roy P]

ILB Chris Carter Fresno St 6'1" 248 4.58
CB Curtis Brown Texas 6'0" 185 4.51
OLB Sam Acho Texas 6'2" 260 4.67
DT Kenrick Ellis Hampton 6'5" 346 5.19
CB Davon House New Mexico St 6'1" 200 4.44
DE Christian Ballard Iowa 6'4" 283 4.75
CB Chimdi Chekwa Ohio St 6'0" 191 4.38
S Deunta Williams North Carolina 6'1" 215 4.53
S Mark Legree Appal St 6'0" 211 4.49
CB Brandon Burton Utah 6'0" 190 4.5
DT Jurrell Casey USC 6'1" 300 5.04
DT Jerrell Powe Mississippi 6'2" 335 5.25
CB Rashad Carmichael Va Tech 5'10" 182 4.38
LB Colin McCarthy Miami 6'1" 238 4.59
ILB Quan Sturdivant North Carolina 6'1" 241 4.63

[HPF Bob]

Barring an unlikely trade, the Texans' night is over. Seems like the draft so far for the Texans are "safe" effort players. The trade up was okay but otherwise no reaches or gambles. These are all experienced players from credible programs. Not much surprise factor is likely. What you see is what you get.

[painekiller]

OK Rick Smith has now had his best draft on paper. Watt is a solid pick, not my favorite, but a solid high motor guy. Gives us on the field options and off the field options with Mario being in his last season of his contract, and Smith not being happy with being in a 3-4.

Reed a solid pick at 43, I would have been happy with him, or Harris ,and then Rick Smith pulls off getting both Reed and Harris. Nice!!!

Our 3-4 just got better.

Sadly the lock out is back in place at least until mid week, so no FA signings yet.

I am a happy campier right now. A much different mood then I had last night.

[painekiller]

I agree, this is three good defensive players we got so far this draft.

What did we give to NE to move up?

We gave up our 3rd and our 5th round picks to get Brandon Harris. Not a bad move all.

[Roy P]

I am a happy campier right now. A much different mood then I had last night.

Yeah, me too. Not happy that the Titans selected Jurrell Casey and Jake Locker, though. They are trying to improve their chances against the Colts. I am wondering if we can get the FS Mark Legree in the 4th round and perhaps a big body NT in the 6th round.

[painekiller]

Yeah, me too. Not happy that the Titans selected Jurrell Casey and Jake Locker, though. They are trying to improve their chances against the Colts. I am wondering if we can get the FS Mark Legree in the 4th round and perhaps a big body NT in the 6th round.

That guy would make me really happy.

[Arky]

First half of 3rd round:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Terrell McClain DT Panthers 78
2 Dontay Moch OLB Bengals 70
3 Nate Irving ILB Broncos 61
4 Kelvin Sheppard ILB Bills 80
5 Robert Housler TE Cardinals 66
6 Justin Houston DE Chiefs 84
7 Demarco Murray RB Cowboys 74
8 Martez Wilson OLB Saints 81
9 Stevan Ridley RB Patriots 59
10 Ryan Mallett QB Patriots 82
11 John Moffitt OG Seahawks 76
12 William Rackley OG Jaguars 82
13 Jurrell Casey DT Titans 81
14 Austin Pettis WR Rams 70
15 Leonard Hankerson WR Redskins 79
16 Chris Culliver DB 49ers 63

[Blitzwood]

and perhaps a big body NT in the 6th round.

Maybe Martin Parker, he was the MVP of the east-west shrine game. I have a feeling if we take a big body, it's gonna be him.

I wrote Kubes' a letter a few days ago, he should have got it by today. I wasn't gonna tell him who he should draft in the first half of the draft, but I did request a player coincidently in the 4th round, someone no one would guess and who should be there, and also serves a major need. Ya'll might be able to figure it out, and I justified it by using Garrett Graham as our 4th last year as an example and how little PT he got. Anyhow, in closing I also mentioned Legree and Parker along with a few others. I tried this once to the Rockets coach and got a phone call from Jeff V Gundy himself, it was the same draft in which he traded for Shane Battier. I remember we talked about that, he was very cool, btw. Anyway, we'll see if it happens.

Hint- he doesn't play defense.

[Roy P]

The Jets take my NT Kenrick Ellis. :(

I suppose Jerrell Powe is my only hope.

[Arky]

Round 3 completed:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Terrell McClain DT Panthers 78
2 Dontay Moch OLB Bengals 70
3 Nate Irving ILB Broncos 61
4 Kelvin Sheppard ILB Bills 80
5 Robert Housler TE Cardinals 66
6 Justin Houston DE Chiefs 84
7 Demarco Murray RB Cowboys 74
8 Martez Wilson OLB Saints 81
9 Stevan Ridley RB Patriots 59
10 Ryan Mallett QB Patriots 82
11 John Moffitt OG Seahawks 76
12 William Rackley OG Jaguars 82
13 Jurrell Casey DT Titans 81
14 Austin Pettis WR Rams 70
15 Leonard Hankerson WR Redskins 79
16 Chris Culliver DB 49ers 63
17 Demarcus Van Dyke DB Raiders 67
18 Vincent Brown WR Chargers 74
19 Jerrel Jernigan WR Giants 78
20 Mason Foster ILB Buccaneers 82
21 Jah Reid OT Ravens 67
22 Allen Bailey DE Chiefs 81
23 Drake Nevis DT Colts 68
24 Johnny Patrick DB Saints 80
25 Shareece Wright DB Chargers 76
26 Curtis Marsh DB Eagles 64
27 Akeem Dent ILB Falcons 73
28 Joe Barksdale OT Raiders 63
29 Christopher Conte S Bears 50
30 Kenrick Ellis DT Jets 67
31 Curtis Brown DB Steelers 77
32 Alexander Green RB Packers 60
33 Sione Fua DT Panthers 35

[painekiller]

Maybe Martin Parker, he was the MVP of the east-west shrine game. I have a feeling if we take a big body, it's gonna be him.

I wrote Kubes' a letter a few days ago, he should have got it by today. I wasn't gonna tell him who he should draft in the first half of the draft, but I did request a player coincidently in the 4th round, someone no one would guess and who should be there, and also serves a major need. Ya'll might be able to figure it out, and I justified it by using Garrett Graham as our 4th last year as an example and how little PT he got. Anyhow, in closing I also mentioned Legree and Parker along with a few others. I tried this once to the Rockets coach and got a phone call from Jeff V Gundy himself, it was the same draft in which he traded for Shane Battier. I remember we talked about that, he was very cool, btw. Anyway, we'll see if it happens.

Hint- he doesn't play defense.

Marcus Cannon?

[Blitzwood]

If we take C. Chekwa in the forth, consider the secondary shored up. Harris takes over slot CB, Quin moves to FS, and C.C. handles his old post. McCain goes to the practice squad where he belongs.

[Blitzwood]

Marcus Cannon?

LOL, no.

You won't like the pick initially...

[nunusguy]

I am more than pleased with our second and third picks in this Draft, now the question is did we make the right choice in the first round with JJ when we also had Fairley, Quinn, and Prince among others also on the Board ?
But after yesterday I'd place a B - B+ grade on the Texans Draft.

[Blitzwood]

LOL, no.

You won't like the pick initially...

This is who I wanted.

http://stats.chron.com/nfldraft/players.asp?id=142179

He was taken a few spots prior to our 4th round (Washington) selection by the Eagles. Damn Andy Reid, he's always taking my players.....

I believe he'll be the 2nd kicker inducted in the HOF.

[dadmg]

The Jets take my NT Kenrick Ellis. :(


Probably for the best. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/30/jets-take-kenrick-ellis-despite-pending-criminal-trial/)

Every year, a handful of NFL prospects are faced with unfortunate legal entanglements. The New York Jets devoted a third-round pick to a player who has one.

And it’s a big one.

Per Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com, defensive lineman Kenrick Ellis faces up to 20 years in prison on charges of felony assault. The trial is set for July 12.

Ellis allegedly broke the jaw and nose of a man during an altercation on the Hampton (Va.) University campus.

The Jets are calling it a “pending legal issue,” which sounds a lot better than “possibly two decades in the clink.”