Official 2011 NFL Draft Round 1 Thread

[Keith]

Let's use this thread for our running commentary on this evening's festivities.

[Roy P]

I find it odd that Carolina hasn't made it known yet....still holding out hope for a trade partner I suppose. If they take a QB #1 overall, that would be a mistake. AJ Green would make Jimmy Clausen a lot better. If Clausen was in this draft, he'd be a 1st round pick.

[Nconroe]

Ok, I'll guess going with Dareus, defense, no. 1 to Carolina. I guess could be any of 5 guys.

Ok, congrats to Cam Newton, I guess he'll do well.

[NBT]

Cam Newton

Blinn College is basking in the glory.

[Roy P]

There is a reason bad teams are bad...

The good news is, a real player just slipped down one spot. :D

[Nconroe]

Looks like Von Miller to Denver, he sure looks good on hilites.

Now , Buffalo, I guess Dareus . And it is. I wish Texans could get a guy like him.

[Roy P]

Patrick Peterson is still available...:D

[Keith]

lol at Cam Newton saying he is going on vacation.... Can just envision the Panthers asking for a do-over already.

Dude, now is when the work BEGINS

[popanot]

Now that there will be no player trades during the draft and the owners getting reamed so far in court and probably no reasonable rookie salary cap, I doubt there will be any substantial trades at the top of the draft.

[popanot]

lol at Cam Newton saying he is going on vacation.... Can just envision the Panthers asking for a do-over already.LOL! I have a feeling they'll be wishing for a do-over for years to come.

[Nconroe]

AJ Green, great receiver to Cincy. So, a trade possibility at 5?

[popanot]

Hello, Cards, this is the Texans. How much will it be...

[Roy P]

LOL! I have a feeling they'll be wishing for a do-over for years to come.

Cam reminds me of D. Culpepper's talent with J. Russell's work ethic. ;)

[NBT]

Pat Peterson to Ariz.

[Roy P]

There goes my big hope! Hoping we have The Prince slide to us now.

[popanot]

Crap! Aldon Smith, welcome to the Texans!

[Keith]

waaaaaahaahhhahhaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

Texans flush their PP away.

I really wanted Patrick Peterson wearing Steel Blue.

[HPF Bob]

Oh, well. Now we get to keep our draft picks or possibly even trade down.

[Nconroe]

wow, Falcons move up for Julio Jones it appears, trade w Cleveland

[TexanJedi]

Crap! Aldon Smith, welcome to the Texans!

I hope not. Son of a ??LKJKOL

[Arky]

It's possible Arizona wanted PP all to themselves.... no trades....

[Keith]

Falcons just gave up a ****load for what amounts to be a #2 receiver.

:eek:

[Roy P]

So, who is going to draft Gabbert?
Does Tennessee or San Fran take the next Alex Smith?

[popanot]

Well, there goes Aldon Smith. Wow!

[NBT]

You are all wrong, and so am I. Aldon Smith goes to SF.

[Keith]

woohoo.

Prince is available and Aldon is not.

[popanot]

Prince is available and Aldon is not.I'd be shocked if he's not the pick now. Or a trade down with Gabbert still there.

[BigBull]

Crap! Aldon Smith, welcome to the Texans!

Thank you SF.

[nunusguy]

Somebody sees something in Smith - surprise here, many thought his teammate QB Gabbert would go to SF.

[NBT]

Tacks take QB Jake Locker!?

[Arky]

Locker to Titans? Wow, that's interesting..... ;)

[cland]

Robert Quinn is looking good.

[TexanJedi]

Titans lol.:D

[popanot]

I'd be shocked if he's not the pick now. Or a trade down with Gabbert still there.Forgot about Quinn...

[Roy P]

Locker is the best QB in this draft. I'm not happy to see him in the AFC South. Give him two years with Britt and it's going to be ugly when we play the Titans.

Glad Aldon Smith is off the board and hoping somebody drafts Gabbert ahead of us. Give me THE Prince!!!

[Arky]

Redskins taking Prince or Quinn?...

edit: Ah, Gabbert makes sense....

Only 4 defensive players taken with #10 pending.....

[popanot]

Blaine Gabbert: The 2011 Brady Quinn. Sliding down the draft board with the cameras on... AWKWARD!

[NBT]

Locker is the best QB in this draft. I'm not happy to see him in the AFC South. Give him two years with Britt and it's going to be ugly when we play the Titans.

Glad Aldon Smith is off the board and hoping somebody drafts Gabbert ahead of us. Give me THE Prince!!!

Now you say Locker is the best QB. I still think he is too erratic. We shall see.

[Nconroe]

I'm guessing we get a good trade down offer, but they may just take Quinn.

Wow, Gabbert in a trade up by Jacksonville.

Now Texans have some good choices incl Fairley and Bowers.

[popanot]

LOL! Jags trade for Gabbert!! New QBs in the AFC South!

[nunusguy]

Jags are moving up to get Gabbert.
Who do we take: Prince, Quinn, Cameron or Watt ?

[BigBull]

Jags are moving up to get Gabbert.
Who do we take: Prince, Quinn, Cameron or Watt ?
Prince I'm hoping.:cool:

[WMH]

Hoping Trade....

Guessing Jordan.

[Arky]

Wow, 3 QB's taken in the top 10..... who saw that coming?...

[popanot]

Watt! You've got the be Fing kidding me! I HATE RICK SMITH AND KUBIAK!!

[nunusguy]

Looks like JJ Watt.

[NBT]

J.J. Watt! So much for the CB!

[Roy P]

Prince I'm hoping.:cool:

I was hoping too :mad:

[Arky]

I'm good with it.... :)

[BigBull]

The Texans don't have a clue.:eek::confused:
Watt???

[Nconroe]

JJ WATT. great pass rusher DE , strong and explosive. guess Wade's choice.

[TexanJedi]

If Quinn's medical did not check out then Watt is a good choice.

[BigBull]

JJ WATT. great pass rusher DE , strong and explosive. guess Wade's choice.
Then Wade's a idiot like the rest of them fools on Kirby.:(

[cland]

Bleh, how in the hell do we pass on OLB and CB, to get a player we already have answers for?

[Big Texas]

You have got to be kidding me. This is a head scratcher. While I am not to keen on selecting another db but who the hell else on in our secondary is better than Prince.

[Roy P]

I wanted The Prince to play CB and would have been fine with Cam Heyward if we wanted a 5-Tech. We could have traded down and gotten more picks too. Another draft, and another dissapointment. Anyway, maybe Watt can keep Cushing and Barwin clean to make plays.

[NBT]

Is there a CB in our future? Or are we just gonna give it up.

[Big Texas]

So what does this say about Smith and Mario?

Looks as if this guy is a 5 technique.

Wow...

You can always count on the Texans to select "the other guy".

[BigBull]

If Quinn's medical did not check out then Watt is a good choice. Your first round pick should be a starter and he will be behind Williams and Smith.:mad:

[Roy P]

Then Wade's a idiot like the rest of them fools on Kirby.:(

I think I might have been good with taking Phil Taylor to play NT instead of Watt. I'm sure after I calm the f&ck down, I'll support Watt and cheer for him. However, I'm flabbergasted. :confused:

[TexanJedi]

Is there a CB in our future? Or are we just gonna give it up.

Well if we see a season this year then it stands to reason we will see free agency and maybe they are gambling on getting a veteran corner.

[cland]

Who do we sit, Antonio Smith or Mario Williams?????? Unless Williams is kicking out to OLB we just drafted depth.

[Big Texas]

Ok let me get this straight...

So with our #11 pick in the draft we select Amobi Okoye....Oh my bad I meant Travis Johnson...Oh my bad I meant J.J. Watt

[Roy P]

Is there a CB in our future? Or are we just gonna give it up.

Jimmy Smith - could he slide because of 'red flags'?
Curtis Brown - I really like this guy's toughness
Brandon Harris - will he be there in the 2nd round when we pick?

[Big Texas]

Jimmy Smith - could he slide because of 'red flags'?
Curtis Brown - I really like this guy's toughness
Brandon Harris - will he be there in the 2nd round when we pick?

I am tired of us picking the "next" guy. Why don't we go after the best...

Year after year we are depending on the "other" guy...

[Roy P]

OMG.....Suh and Fairley. Holy crap! Detroit is going to the playoffs.

[Big Texas]

OMG.....Suh and Fairley. Holy crap! Detroit is going to the playoffs.

Now that's how you build a D-Line...

Take notes Texans

[popanot]

Who do we sit, Antonio Smith or Mario Williams?????? Unless Williams is kicking out to OLB we just drafted depth.Exactly. I just don't get this team and the direction they're going. They probably could have traded down, and hell, picked up an extra 3 or 4 and still have gotten Watt or someone that will help as much as him.

[WMH]

@NickScurfield
Nick Scurfield
Phillips said there's a possibility that Mario Williams could play DE or OLB. "I wouldn't be surprised at anything he can do."

[popanot]

Watch the Pats take Prince and make us regret not taking another one of their CBs.

[Roy P]

Watch the Pats take Prince and make us regret not taking another one of their CBs.

Yeah, if we were determined to draft a CB last year, I wanted Devin McCourty

[popanot]

Yeah, if we were determined to draft a CB last year, I wanted Devin McCourtyMe too. I never watched much of McCourty in college, but he stood out big-time to me watching the combine. There was just something about his hip movement and fluidty that appeared much better than the other guys.

[popanot]

OK, Texans... Make a bold move and come up and get Prince.

[Big Texas]

They don't know what a bold move is...

[Arky]

First half of round 1:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Cam Newton QB Panthers 93
2 Von Miller OLB Broncos 97
3 Marcell Dareus DT Bills 97
4 A.J. Green WR Bengals 97
5 Patrick Peterson DB Cardinals 97
6 Julio Jones WR Falcons 95
7 Aldon Smith DE 49ers 93
8 Jake Locker QB Titans 90
9 Tyron Smith OT Cowboys 95
10 Blaine Gabbert QB Jaguars 96
11 J.J. Watt DE Texans 93
12 Christian Ponder QB Vikings 85
13 Nick Fairley DT Lions 94
14 Robert Quinn DE Rams 96
15 Mike Pouncey C Dolphins 92
16 Ryan Kerrigan DE Redskins 92

Pats just took Solder @ #17....

[WMH]

@WesBunting
Wesley Bunting
you want to know why Prince Amukamara is sliding?... bc he's not that good... just my take #NFLDRAFT

[TexanJedi]

@WesBunting
Wesley Bunting
you want to know why Prince Amukamara is sliding?... bc he's not that good... just my take #NFLDRAFT

Watching Game Changers on NFL Network it seemed to me Aaron Williams was a much better bet than Prince, plus he has short arms.

[NBT]

Well if we see a season this year then it stands to reason we will see free agency and maybe they are gambling on getting a veteran corner.

Maybe, but I don't like to gamble that much. :mad:

[Keith]

Watching Game Changers on NFL Network it seemed to me Aaron Williams was a much better bet than Prince, plus he has short arms.

Shhhh... I would really like Aaron Williams playing here. A lot.

[Roy P]

Shhhh... I would really like Aaron Williams playing here. A lot.

At Free Safety?

[Keith]

At Free Safety?
Oh yes. I think he could start at corner on this team, too, but I am very intrigued by him switching to free safety.

Plus he sacked Sam Bradford. :p
http://youtu.be/Bd8fk834FnI

[Roy P]

I'm looking at Jimmy Smith and thinking he needs to be a Texan.

[Nconroe]

Some JJ Watt Analysis from NFL.com- looks pretty good
Height:6'5"
Weight:290 lbs.
Arm Length:34 in.
Hand Size:11 1/8 in.
College:Wisconsin

In the 2010 season, Watt finished the regular season with 59 tackles, seven sacks, two fumble recoveries, and an interception.[1] Watt was the 2010 recipient of the Ronnie Lott Award and was one of six finalist's for the Ted Hendricks Award

Pick Analysis: Wade Phillips' defense is predicated on bringing a pressure off the edges, but a strong interior presence is needed to make it happen. Watt is an ideal five-technique with the strength and power to dominate offensive tackles at the point of attack. He not only improves Houston's rush defense but gives them another high-motor player to incorporate into the pass rush.

Combine Stats
40 Yard Dash4.84 Time
Bench Press 34.0 Reps
Vertical Jump 37.0 Height
Broad Jump 120.0 Distance
3 Cone Drill 6.88 Time
20 Yard Shuttle 4.21 Time

[TexanJedi]

I'm looking at Jimmy Smith and thinking he needs to be a Texan.

After hearing McClain discuss his baggage, I don't think so. What a waste of talent.

[WMH]

I'm looking at Jimmy Smith and thinking he needs to be a Texan.

Possibly, but don't see it with our choir boy mentality.

Could be Williams, Dowling, or Harris.

OR, and IMO preferrably, an OLB. Brooks Reed, Justin Houston come to mind.

[Roy P]

[QUOTE=Roy P;24988]I think I might have been good with taking Phil Taylor to play NT instead of Watt QUOTE]

The Browns get the NT.

The Colts get an OL.

[Roy P]

Possibly, but don't see it with our choir boy mentality.

Could be Williams, Dowling, or Harris.

OR, and IMO preferrably, an OLB. Brooks Reed, Justin Houston come to mind.

I'm cool with any of those choices....so it's going to be somebody else.

[WMH]

I'm cool with any of those choices....so it's going to be somebody else.

Wouldn't be a Texans draft if they picked someone we all liked....... :confused:

[Roy P]

It'll be somebody like LB Mason Foster or Kelvin Sheppard

[Nconroe]

Maybe going with the build from inside - out theory, so

If we happen to go for an OLB in rnd 2 or 3, here are a few to consider

Justin Houston Georgia 6'3" 267 lbs
40: 4.57 Bench: 30 Vert: 36.5" Arm: 34 1/2"
Round Prediction: First Round

Brook Reed Arizona 6'3" 263 lbs
40: 4.66 Bench: 30 Vert: 30.5" Arm: 32 1/4"
Round Prediction: First Round

Jabaal Sheard Pittsburgh 6'3" 264 lbs
40: 4.66 Bench: DNP Vert: 31" Arm: 33 1/2"
Round Prediction: Second Round

Sam Acho Texas 6'2" 262 lbs
40: 4.63 Bench: 23 Vert: 33.5" Arm: 33.5"
Round Prediction: Second Round to Third Round

Chris Carter Fresno State 6'1" 248 lbs
40: 4.66 Bench: DNP Vert: 36" Arm: 33"
Round Prediction: Second Round to Third Round

Dontay Moch Nevada 6'1" 248 lbs
40: 4.45 Bench: DNP Vert: 42" Arm: 33"
Round Prediction: Third Round

[Fonz the Boss]

I didn't want Prince either but that Watt pick did surprise me. Rick said he would go for best player available instead of need and obviously Fairley was the best available.... I wasn't sold on Prince after I watched his highlights against OSU.

[Warren]

I didn't want Prince either but that Watt pick did surprise me. Rick said he would go for best player available instead of need and obviously Fairley was the best available.... I wasn't sold on Prince after I watched his highlights against OSU.There has been a lot of talk lately that Fairley has come across as a guy who will mail it in a lot of the time once he gets the big check.

[HPF Bob]

Watt? We take another DL in the first round? I think the Texans want a D-unit with 11 DLs and no DBs.

Repeat after me: "We must get to Peyton Manning..."

[Roy P]

There has been a lot of talk lately that Fairley has come across as a guy who will mail it in a lot of the time once he gets the big check.

That's the benefit of having Suh on the roster. Fairley won't be allowed to 'mail it in' next to Suh.

[Warren]

After hearing McClain discuss his baggage, I don't think so. What a waste of talent.Yeah, he's supposed to be on-par with Peterson talent-wise but three failed drug tests (including one for codeine), an arrest for assault, and multiple impregnations are scaring off even the less risk-averse teams.

[Warren]

That's the benefit of having Suh on the roster. Fairley won't be allowed to 'mail it in' next to Suh.I agree completely.

[Joe Joe]

That's the benefit of having Suh on the roster. Fairley won't be allowed to 'mail it in' next to Suh.

? With Suh on roster, he could mail it in a quarter of the time and no one would notice.

[Roy P]

Cam Heyward goes to the Steelers. I would trade them Watt for him right now.

[Arky]

1st round complete:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Cam Newton QB Panthers 93
2 Von Miller OLB Broncos 97
3 Marcell Dareus DT Bills 97
4 A.J. Green WR Bengals 97
5 Patrick Peterson DB Cardinals 97
6 Julio Jones WR Falcons 95
7 Aldon Smith DE 49ers 93
8 Jake Locker QB Titans 90
9 Tyron Smith OT Cowboys 95
10 Blaine Gabbert QB Jaguars 96
11 J.J. Watt DE Texans 93
12 Christian Ponder QB Vikings 85
13 Nick Fairley DT Lions 94
14 Robert Quinn DE Rams 96
15 Mike Pouncey C Dolphins 92
16 Ryan Kerrigan DE Redskins 92
17 Nate Solder OT Patriots 91
18 Corey Liuget DT Chargers 93
19 Prince Amukamara DB Giants 95
20 Adrian Clayborn DE Buccaneers 89
21 Phil Taylor DT Browns 90
22 Anthony Castonzo OT Colts 94
23 Danny Watkins OG Eagles 89
24 Cameron Jordan DE Saints 95
25 James Carpenter OG Seahawks 85
26 Jonathan Baldwin WR Chiefs 85
27 Jimmy Smith DB Ravens 92
28 Mark Ingram RB Saints 92
29 Gabe Carimi OT Bears 91
30 Muhammad Wilkerson DE Jets 91
31 Cameron Heyward DE Steelers 88
32 Derek Sherrod OT Packers 87

[Blitzwood]

Exactly. I just don't get this team and the direction they're going. They probably could have traded down, and hell, picked up an extra 3 or 4 and still have gotten Watt or someone that will help as much as him.

My thoughts exactly.......


I would have much rather preferred Fairly at end if we were gonna stay put.

[Fonz the Boss]

I know we are going defense again in the 2nd rd but I really want Titus Young on my team.... Jacoby Jones can get released for all I care.

[painekiller]

Ok let me get this straight...

So with our #11 pick in the draft we select Amobi Okoye....Oh my bad I meant Travis Johnson...Oh my bad I meant J.J. Watt

Watt is not either one of those guys. He is a high motor guy who just keeps coming. He is the safest pick at 11. And yes he is depth, that part I do not like. But I see them letting Smith go after this season.

I'm not happy with the pick, IMO DE is not the big need. It appears the Texans had Aldon Smith as their pick and that was blown up by San Fran. So they went safe. They were scared of taking another CB in the 1st to play across from last years joke of a pick ( he should be better in a decent NFL system this year), and they were scared off from Quin's medical and off field issues.

IMO the Texans will never win with Rick Smith drafting the safe pick. They do not have anyone on defense that teams have to scheme for other than Mario and he does not have the desire to be the best in the NFL.

They should have gone Quin IMO. I would have been OK with Prince, but not in love.

Now go up and grab Aaron Williams at 33 or so and that will show me some balls. Rick Smith has no balls.

[painekiller]

So what do the Texans do in the 2nd? Move up and take Aaron Williams FS?

Move up and take OLB Brooks Reed? Stay where they are and draft OLB Brooks Reed?

How about taking Stephen Paea from OSU to play the NT with Mitchell? That would be a great fit for Wade's scheme. But also would be another rotational guy (Bench).

Or how about Dontay Moch to play OLB?

Brandon Harris would be a nice pick up to play CB.

Houston would be an ok pick in the 2nd round, but don't see that one.

[nunusguy]

I was too stupid in college to get thru advanced math courses like calculus, but I'm still confidant in my calculations that going from the 4-3 to the 3-4 means our need for Dlineman dropped by 25% ? So why do we use that precious first-round pick on a DLineman instead of a OLB or DBack where we really, really need help, especially an edge-rusher ?
I guess they were just too scared of Quinn to make that move ? If it was medical, OK I can buy that, but I hope it wasn't "off-field" issues because that kind of all too cautious behavior has cost the Texans valuable talent in the past.

[WMH]

I was too stupid in college to get thru advanced math courses like calculus, but I'm still confidant in my calculations that going from the 4-3 to the 3-4 means our need for Dlineman dropped by 25% ? So why do we use that precious first-round pick on a DLineman instead of a OLB or DBack where we really, really need help, especially an edge-rusher ?


I think that is where it gets a little fuzzy. Lots has been written about Phillips system being a "hybrid" 3-4.
Mario is in the last year of his contract, Smith has two years left on his contract. If we lose one or the other, or both, Watt has a year to work in a be solid.

Not a "sexy" pick, but in Wade I trust.

Until he pisses me off......