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This could seriously damper my Patrick Peterson hopes.....maybe :rolleyes:
From PFT:
David Garrard out for Jaguars’ season finale
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 29, 2010, 12:05 PM EST
The Jacksonville Jaguars’ long odds of making the playoffs just got longer.
Jaguars quarterback David Garrard will have surgery on his right middle finger tomorrow, and he’ll miss Sunday’s season finale against the Texans, the Florida Times-Union reports.
That means the Jaguars will go with Trent Edwards as the starter, with Todd Bouman backing him up, 1010XL Sports Radio in Jacksonville reports.
In order to make the playoffs, the Jaguars have to beat the Texans and hope the Colts lose to the Titans.
HPF Bob
12-29-2010, 01:03 PM
AKA "trINT Edwards"? Lovely. But don't worry. We've been punked by backup quarterbacks before. Happens all the time. In fact, it happened just last week.
TV = CBS (Channel 11 local), 3:15pm, Sunday
Announcers (http://the506.com/sports/?tag=2010-week-17) = Greg Gumbel, Dan Dierdorf
Opening line = Jag by 2.5
Current line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = pickem to Jags by 2.5
Walter of walterfootball.com (http://walterfootball.com/nflpicks2010_17late.php) like the Texans in this matchup and makes a good point about the Jags:
RECAP: The Jaguars need to win. That's why they're favored. And that's one of the reasons why I like the Texans.
As legendary handicapper Dave Cokin once said, "Teams that need to win aren't very good in the first place." To take it one step further, teams tend to choke when everything is on the line. Hence, the Aurora Snow Alert (Aurora Snow is a famous porn star for those of you who don't know.)
Jacsonville will still bring their defense - unfortunately, so will we. Same result as last week, different method.
Texans now a 2.5 to 3 pt (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) favorite - I suppose because of no Garrard or (probably) MJD.
Kubiak and Schaub will do just enough to see that we ..............LOSE!? After all we have to protect our position in the Draft SB. Arrrggghhh! And there is no real assurance there will even be a draft.
nunusguy
01-01-2011, 08:02 AM
And there is no real assurance there will even be a draft.
There are many who know far more about the CBA than I do so please feel free to correct me here if I'm wrong. But re the Draft, it's my understanding
that since players when drafted in the annual NFL April Draft aren't initially members of the players union, and therefor aren't subject to the CBA until sometime subsequent to being drafted, probably when they sign their contract. Therefor this years Draft will be held as scheduled ?
HPF Bob
01-01-2011, 02:05 PM
The contract year, IIRC, ends the last day of February every year and the player draft is a part of the CBA. Even if the players aren't technically NFLPA members until after the draft, there would likely be lawsuits as to whether a post-CBA draft would be legally binding without the sanction of the CBA which serves to work around the anti-trust laws.
For example, Player A loves the Cowboys but hates the Giants. Subsequently, Player A gets drafted by the Giants this April. The Cowboys decide to poach Player A with a contract which the player signs because he's "always wanted to be a Cowboy".
With a CBA, the player is bound to play in the NFL only with the team that selected him in the draft with the blessing of the NFLPA. Without a CBA, Player A (or the Cowboys) might argue that he's actually a free agent since there is no contract that binds him to the results of the draft.
If this went before a judge or the NLRB, they would likely rule that the player is a free agent and can play for whomever he wants since there is no CBA establishing the legality of the player draft whose primary purpose is to eliminate the leverage that the player has in shopping his services to the highest bidder.
My feeling is that the NFL will try to move up the draft to February, while there is still a CBA, so that the draft is legal unless the CBA specifically states that the draft must be held after March 1st each year.
.....And of course the NFl couldn't allow a rookie player to just play for whomever they want to (or grew up with), now could they?
For the sake of this discussion, let us say the Draft was to be held sometime before March 31st, OK? The NFLPA would go screaming to a judge and get a restraining order claiming the right of a player to play for whomever he chooses. Now we are back to square one, aren't we?
Nconroe
01-01-2011, 09:15 PM
Do ya'll want Texans to win this last game of very disapppointing 2010-11 season or not?
Always good to play to win right? or is a better to see all the younger backup players and prepare for draft pick more important? whenever draft might be.
Seems lot of guys injured on both teams and some coaching changes coming for Texans next week for sure.
painekiller
01-01-2011, 10:32 PM
.....And of course the NFl couldn't allow a rookie player to just play for whomever they want to (or grew up with), now could they?
For the sake of this discussion, let us say the Draft was to be held sometime before March 31st, OK? The NFLPA would go screaming to a judge and get a restraining order claiming the right of a player to play for whomever he chooses. Now we are back to square one, aren't we?
By the agreement in place, the NFLPA has sanctioned the draft process but they have no say in the dates that the draft is held. By holding the draft in February the current contract is still in play. No lawsuits needed. If the draft is held after the March 3rd expiration then all heck can start.
They will hold the draft in February, this will hurt the scouts job of judging juniors that declare, and it will hurt player that are hurt. Everyone will be in the same boat, and the teams with the best scouting departments should be the winners in this off season.
Blitzwood
01-02-2011, 12:46 AM
Take this as you may, .........Jones-Drew is also out for the game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-jaguars-jones-drew
I say we have a 50/50 chance now. I still, personally, want the Texans to lose in hopes of Kubiak finally getting axed and all while improving our draft spot. The hell with this season!
coloradodude
01-02-2011, 11:51 AM
pre-season game to me. Lose and we might get a better draft pick. Win and we might get a better draft pick.
I just look forward to chuck's comments.
By the agreement in place, the NFLPA has sanctioned the draft process but they have no say in the dates that the draft is held. By holding the draft in February the current contract is still in play. No lawsuits needed. If the draft is held after the March 3rd expiration then all heck can start.
They will hold the draft in February, this will hurt the scouts job of judging juniors that declare, and it will hurt player that are hurt. Everyone will be in the same boat, and the teams with the best scouting departments should be the winners in this off season.
The owners have opted out of that agreement, have they not? So if the NFL tried an end around draft on the union, I would suspect the union wouldn't just play dead. They would howl about the injustice of it all.
And without time to evaluate better, the undergrads coming out, the draft if it were to be held would be what we called in the Marine Corp a cluster f**k!
popanot
01-02-2011, 03:10 PM
I hope there's plenty of booing today when the inevitable f'ups occur. Just ridiculous McNair is bringing back this POS HC and staff.
Gametime!
Jags win the toss and defer. Texans to receive.
Slaton brings the kickoff back for a nice gain but illegal block in the back on Dickerson puts the ball at the Texans 10.
Pass to JJ overthrown, inc. Brings up 2nd and 10.
Pass to KW good for about 9. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Foster pops it for about 56 yards.
Ward sweeps left for about 18. 1st and goal at the 6.
Ward tripped up a couple of yards short of paydirt. 2nd and goal.
Foster powers it in for the TD!
Texans 7, Jags 0
Nconroe
01-02-2011, 03:20 PM
Nice job on the opening drive, Foster gets his 15th TD.
12:25 left in the 1st.
Karim brings the kickoff back to the Jags 23.
Jennings sweeps left for about 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Jennings cuts back for about 10. 1st down.
Pitch to Jennings gets about 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Screen to Lewis goes inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Edwards sacked by Nolan! Jags have to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the Texan 28.
TheMatrix31
01-02-2011, 03:27 PM
Beautiful first drive. Arian Foster takes over the rushing title, 17th TD overall.....if this team was in the playoffs, I really think he'd be a Top 3 MVP candidate.
Foster hits the right side for about 16.
Foster for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Foster for 4. No challenge on forward progress. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to KW goes all the way to the Jags 28. 1st down.
Dump to Ward good for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Ward powers to the 16 yard line. 1st down.
Screen to OD goes for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Foster for about 1.5. 3rd and a short 1 coming up.
Foster gets stopped on 3rd down. Texans to go for the FG.
Rackers 26 yarder is good.
Texans 10, Jags 0
4:15 left in the 1st quarter.
Karim brings the kickoff back to the Jags 33.
Jennings cuts back for nice gainer. About 16 yards.
Jennings for 10 up the gut.
Flag pre-snap. Offsides Lewis, makes it 1st and 5.
Jennings goes right side for about 2. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Jennings gets 8 and the 1st down.
Karim rushes for about 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Pitch left to Karim gets about 8 and a 1st down. Ball at the Texans 12.
Jennings sweeps left for about 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.
End of the 1st quarter.
popanot
01-02-2011, 03:46 PM
Yep, our D still sucks.
Nconroe
01-02-2011, 03:46 PM
Texans defense to left not holding up very well, too bad.
Ball at the Texans 3.
Jennings sweeps right for the TD.
Texans 10, Jags 7
14:54 left in the half.
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texans 25.
Pass to OD goes to near midfield. 1st down.
Foster cuts and weaves for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.
Foster for 4 and the 1st down. Ball at the Jags 35.
Pass to KW headed to the endzone goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Ward hits the left side for the TD! 35 yards....
Texans 17, Jags 7
12:53 left in the half.
Nconroe
01-02-2011, 03:58 PM
Both teams really running the ball well against opposing defense. OD is a good TE receiver for sure. offense is nice, now need some defense.
Texans 156 yards rushing....
Karim brings the kickoff back to the Jags 30.
Pass to Hill good for 16.
Jennings goes right side for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Edwards pressured, throws it away. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Jennings for 1. Brings up 4th and 1. Jags to go for it.
Edwards sneaks for the 1, 1st down by about an inch.
Jennings for 4. Ball at the Texan 40. 2nd and 6 coming up.
End around to Thomas goes for nice gainer and a 1st down. Ball at the Texan 23.
Jennings for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
On 2nd and 8, pass to Thomas goes over his head, inc. Makes it 3rd and 8.
Pass to Thomas in the endzone goes over his head, inc. Jags to go for the FG.
Scobee's 39 yarder is good.
Texans 17, Jags 10
8:40 left in the half.
Nconroe
01-02-2011, 04:10 PM
At this pace, looks like a lot of scoring on both sides today.
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 33.
Foster catches the dump off for about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Foster for about 3. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Foster caught in the backfield for a loss. Makes it 4th and 10 and the Texans will have to punt.
Punt is brought back to the Jags 25.
Karim up the middle gets 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Karim gets 10 on the counter. 1st down at the Jags 39.
Karim gets about 12 on the pitch right.
Jennings for no gain but flag on the play. Hands to the face on Lewis. 5 yards and a 1st down.
Jennings gets about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Edwards pass is overthrown but they're gonna get Nolan for PI. Auto 1st down at the Texans 22.
Karim gets about 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Karim gets about 8. 1st and goal at the Texans 7.
2 minute warning.
Pass to Lewis goes for the 7 yard TD.
Texans 17, Jags 17
1:54 left in the half.
Let's see what the Texans do with the 2 minute drill.....
Nconroe
01-02-2011, 04:27 PM
nice entertaining game so far
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 28.
Pass to Dreessen goes for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.
Foster takes it to the Jags 45 for the 1st down.
Pass to JJ good for about 6. Ball at the Jags 49.
Pass to JJ goes to the Jags 38, 1st down. Timeout Texans (2 left). 1:09 left in the half.
Dump to JJ goes to the Jags 21, 1st down. 2nd timeout used by the Texans.
Foster on the draw only gets 2.
Pass to JJ inc out of the endzone. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Dump to JJ only gets 4. Timeout Texans with 4 seconds left - Texans to go for the FG.
Rackers 33 yarder is good.
Texans 20, Jags 17
Halftime.
Halftime stats:
Passing: Schaub 11/14, 124 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Rushing: Foster 13/99, Ward 4/63
Receiving: JJ 4/38, OD 2/35, KW 2/31
Tackles: Wilson 7, Bentley/Okoye/Nolan 4 each, Cody/Diles 3 each, Lewis/Smith/GQ 2 each
3rd down conversions: Texans 2/5, Jags 0/3
Turnovers: Texans 0, Jags 0
Red zone: Texans 1/3, Jags 2/2
1st downs: Texans 12, Jags 15
Total Yards: Texans 286, Jags 172
Time of possession: Texans 14:07, Jags 15:53
Jags (Karim) bring the 2nd half kickoff back to their own 33.
Jennings TFL -2. 2nd and 12 coming up.
Quick pass over the middle goes inc. Makes it 3rd and 12.
Edwards scrambles for 13 and the 1st down.
Pass to Hill off his hands, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Adibi tackles Jennings after a 2 yard gain. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Pass to Hill gets about 7..... Makes it 4th and 1. Jags to go for it.
Jennings gets about 4 and the 1st down.
Edwards can't find anyone open and scrambles for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up. Ball at the Texans 41.
Jennings gets about 2 but flag on the play. Holding on Jags -10 makes it 2nd and 19.
Timeout Jags.
On 2nd and 19, pass to Thomas goes for 12. 3rd and 7 coming up.
3rd down pass goes inc due to pressure. Makes it 4th and 7. Jags to punt.
Punt is downed by the Jags at the Texan 3. Texans ball.
Pass to OD good for about 14. 1st down.
Foster gets about 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Foster for 5. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Dump to JJ, breaks some tackles gets a big gainer. Ball at the Jags 44.
Pass to KW goes to the Jags 21.
Pass to OD inc but holding on the Jags. 5 yards and a auto 1st down. Ball at the Jags 16.
Screen to OD goes for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Foster takes it to the 5 yard line. 1st and goal.
Foster for no gain. 2nd and goal.
Pass to KW over his head, inc. 3rd and goal coming up.
Pass to OD over the middle gets the TD!
Texans 27, Jags 17
3:47 left in the 3rd.
Nconroe
01-02-2011, 05:14 PM
I think Rackers is a better tackler than most of our defensive players, lots of tackles on kickoffs for that guy and that was a good one just then.
Karim brings the kickoff back to the Jags 25. Rackers on the tackle.
Jennings for 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Jennings for 5 and the 1st down.
Jennings for 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Jennings TFL -1. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Dump to Jennings is dropped. Jags have to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the Texans 32.
57 seconds left in the 3rd quarter.
Foster for 7 up the middle. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Foster for about 2. Brings up 3rd and 1.
End of the 3rd quarter.
On 3rd and 1, Foster is stopped for no gain. Texans have to punt.
Jags field the punt at the Texan 13 but flag on the Texans for holding -10. Rekick on the way....
Turk's punt is unfielded and rolls all the way to the Jags 16. 13:58 left in the game.
Dump pass to Jennings gets 10 and a 1st down.
End around to Thomas gets about 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Screen to Jennings is sniffed out by Adibi for -2. 3rd and 9 coming up.
Edwards pressured throws inc. Jags have to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the Texans 22. 11:38 left in the game.
Pass to Dreessen goes for big gainer. Ball at the Jags 35.
Foster gets loose for the TD! 35 yards!
Texans 34, Jags 17
2:49 left in the game.....
Hottadam, that'sa moving the ball.... 2 plays, 76 yards....
Nconroe
01-02-2011, 05:37 PM
nice to see, finally. what can you say. Of course, game isn't over yet.
Rackers kickoff is downed in the endzone by the Jags. Jags ball at their 20.
Pass to Hill goes for big gainer. Ball at the Texans 36.
Edwards can't find anyone and throws it away. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Jennings good for a 1st down at the Texans 20.
Jennings for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Short pass to Lewis is sniffed out -2. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Edwards is sacked by Okoye -8! Jags to go for the FG on 3rd and 18.
Scobee's FG is no good. Texans ball at the Jag 36.
Foster caught in the backfield for -4. 2nd and 14 coming up.
Foster gets 3 back. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Dump to Foster only gets 6. Texans have to punt on 4th and 5.
Turk shanks it. :rolleyes: Jags ball at their 42.
Whoa, crazy play, pass to Lewis is caught and then he fumbles, ball scoots down the field and the Texans recover at their 26.
Foster for 8.
Foster for 3 and a 1st down.
Foster for 6. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Foster for almost 4.... 3rd and a short 1 coming up.
Schaub on the keeper looks to have the 1st down. Measurement shows 1st down.
Foster hits the left side for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Foster for -1.
2 minute warning.
Nconroe
01-02-2011, 05:56 PM
Foster is one good RB, he deserves plenty of recognition and hopefully some type of pay recognition as well. 1600+ yds running and 600 + yds receiving. only guy atleast this year with two games of 150+ yds running and 2+ TDs. and he really runs and catches well. Most ever rushing yds by and undrafted player. wow.
On 3rd and 3, Foster only gets 1. Texans to go for it on 4th and a long 2.
Foster doesn't quite get 3 and the Jags takeover with 1:46 left in the game.
Pass to Lewis gets 10. 1st down.
Dump to Jennings gets 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.
2nd down pass goes inc. 3rd and 1 coming up with 1:03 left in the game.
Edwards pass over the middle goes inc. 4th and 1 coming up.
Edwards sneaks for the 1st down.
Edwards deep pass down the sideline is INT'ed by Nolan! Texans ball at their 12.
Texans kneeling it out.
Final Score:
Texans 34, Jags 17
Texans finish the season 6-10.
Nconroe
01-02-2011, 06:05 PM
Troy Noland had a fairly good day as well with a fumble recovery and a interception .
And whatever happens in offseason, nice to end with a win.
HPF Bob
01-02-2011, 06:57 PM
A 6-10 finish overall is disappointing but, once it became clear that Kubiak would stay, then I suppose it helps to end on a positive note but we really need to see playoffs next year or I think the whole thing falls apart.
nunusguy
01-03-2011, 08:08 AM
The OLine was exceptional: any stiff could have knocked out over 100 yards yesterday the way they were handling the Jags defense. And OD is back to his old self, but I wonder if he's back with us in 2011 ? I doubt it ? Jacobey played well, but this year has been a disappointment for him in general. He's probably gone ?
On the defense side of the ball Nolan looked good and apparently him and Wilson played the entire game as the Texans safetys ? Was Pollard injured ?
Cushing had a good game, but proved again he's most effective around the los and not in space and he put a lot of pressure on the Jags QB. He's really a DE you know ?
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