View Full Version : Official Texans @ Titans Game Thread, 12/19/2010
Moving ahead, the 5-8 Texans will travel to Nashville this Sunday to take on the 5-8 Tennessee Titans. The Titans have the benefit of extra rest coming off a Thursday night game while the Texans have less than usual rest coming off a Monday night game. It is the second and final meeting in 2010 between the two as the Texans won the first game 20-0. Banged up from the Monday night game, David Anderson, Mike Brisiel and Mario Williams may or may not be available to play for the Texans. The Titans currently sport a 6 game losing streak.
TV = CBS (Channel 11 local) 12 noon, Sunday
Announcers (http://the506.com/sports/?tag=2010-week-15) = Kevin Harlan, Solomon Wilcots
Opening line = Titans by 1
Current line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Pickem to Titans by 1.5
Set your DVR's.
popanot
12-15-2010, 06:14 AM
Set your DVR's.I haven't set my DVR on this crappy team since Week 5. The only game I'd care to go back and watch again is the first game of the season. Pathetic. I hope Bob McNair is happy with his POS product.
I haven't set my DVR on this crappy team since Week 5. The only game I'd care to go back and watch again is the first game of the season. Pathetic. I hope Bob McNair is happy with his POS product.
Ya, it's a lot more enjoyable to rewatch when they win. I set my DVR every week anyway even though the last couple of months, I've only gone back to look up a handful of plays....
I will probably set my DVR for this one for the simple fact that I want the Texans to beat Bud's team. I can always erase it later.
If the dadgum defense will play for 4 quarters the way they played in the 4th quarter Monday night, we won't get behind by 21 points coming out of the shute. It really gripes that we have one of the better offenses in the NFL and the absolute worst defense. Do the secondary players even get coached? KJ's feet look like a ducks on land the way he tries to backpedal. Jeeeez!
Nconroe
12-16-2010, 01:20 AM
Still hoping for a win. Somehow over the Titans. Put the Titans in the cellar.
Wonder how AJ will have fun with Titans DB's , especially Finnegan this game, although AJ's ankle looked pretty sore end of last game? I'm guessing a camera will be following them very closely.
Looks like Texans signed DT DeMario Pressley, 6'3", 301 lbs. previously with N.O and WR Derrick Townsel, 5'9" , 175 Lb speedster previously a rookie with Jacksonville, a speedster and kick returner in collece, N.C. State, to the active roster to replace guys going to IR. See if they even get on active list, depends on injuries status.
Oh yeah, I predict Texans win 21-20. I've only been wrong on score and winner about eight times this year.
nunusguy
12-16-2010, 08:51 AM
Still hoping for a win.
Not me, I'm shopping for a Draft pick. A real high one.
82% of the betting public likes the Texans in this one...
Gametime!
Titans win the flip and will receive the kickoff.
Mariani brings the ball back to the Titan 25.
Allen flagged for a low block on the return - gives the Titans +15. Ball at the Titan 40.
Flag pre-snap. Okoye in the neutral zone, +5. 1st and 5.
Pass is broken up by KJ. Makes it 2nd and 5.
CJ for -1. Makes it 3rd and 6.
Pass to Britt good for the 1st down at the Texan 44.
CJ goes left for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Collins sacked by Mitchell! Ball back at midfield. Makes it 3rd and 15.
Pass to Cook good for 8. Titans to go for it on 4th down....
Pass to Williams goes all the way down to the Texan 3. 1st and goal.
CJ for about 1. 2nd and goal coming up.
Pass to Washington good for the TD.
Titans 7, Texans 0
chuck
12-19-2010, 12:10 PM
Well, it looks like I was right about Sharpton and it looks like I was right about Mitchell. That's the good news. And the bad?
Good god, this secondary is horrible. It is a disgrace to organized football everywhere. Not news, I guess.
Nice return by Slaton on the kickoff - brings it all the way back into Titan territory at the Titan 44.
10:20 left in the 1st.
Pass to Dreessen good for 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Foster for 2. 3rd and a long 1 coming up.
Pass to Foster too tall. 4th and 1 and the Texans to go for it.
Foster with no place to run -2. Titans ball.
chuck
12-19-2010, 12:19 PM
Terrible play calling, terrible execution.
Oh my goodness, ball should have been INT'ed but deflects into Britt's hands for a deep completion at the Texan 3.
CJ sweeps left for -2. 2nd and goal at the 5.
Flag pre-snap. Neutral zone infraction on the Texans - 1/2 the distance.
Pass on 2nd down goes inc. 3rd and goal at the 2.5.
CJ for about 1 or 2. Makes it 4th down. Titans to go for it.
Pass in the corner is complete to Gage for the TD.
Titans 14, Texans 0
It's like deja vu all over again....
Kickoff goes out of the endzone - Texans ball at their 20.
6:38 left in the 1st.
Foster for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Foster TFL for -3. Makes it 3rd and 12.
Pass to AJ only gets 4 so Texans have to punt.
Turk's punt travels all of about 22 yards. Titans ball at the Texan 44.
4:33 left in the 1st.
sinnister
12-19-2010, 12:32 PM
I am a glutton for punishment
Screen pass is dropped. Makes it 2nd and 10 for the Titans.
CJ gets 9. 3rd and 1 coming up.
CJ sweeps left for about 3, 1st down.
Pass to CJ is dropped. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Williams goes all the way to the Texans 11. 1st down.
CJ runs it in for the TD.
Titans 21, Texans 0
2:32 left in the 1st.
HPF Bob
12-19-2010, 12:35 PM
Hub Arkush of PFW reports that John Fox and Jeff Fisher will both be let go after the season. I'm just trying to give you guys some hope...
chuck
12-19-2010, 12:37 PM
And it looks like I was dead wrong about Quin and Jackson becoming serviceable.
The Texans are getting ass raped 21-0 in the first quarter by a last place team. It is incredible that McNair says that the team is on the right track and that he is going to retain the head coach.
TheMatrix31
12-19-2010, 12:38 PM
If this game continues the way it is....Kubiak's gone tomorrow morning.
And JUST SAY NO to Fox AND Fisher.
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 20.
Pass to AJ gets 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Foster gets 7, 1st down.
Foster sweeps right for 11 but holding on the Texans backs it up. Makes it 1st and 20.
Dump to Foster gets about 7. 2nd and 13 coming up.
Dump to Foster gets about 4. Makes it 3rd and 9.
End of the 1st quarter.
sinnister
12-19-2010, 12:43 PM
So, we will come back to get beat again. Maybe we come back from 28 or 35 before we do it.
On 3rd and 9, pass to JJ only gets about 3. Texans to punt.
Flag pre-snap. False start Texans -5.
Titans bring the punt back to their 23 but flag on the play. Holding on Titans, 1/2 the distance. Puts the ball at the Titan 9.
13:57 left in the half.
popanot
12-19-2010, 12:51 PM
If this game continues the way it is....Kubiak's gone tomorrow morning.
And JUST SAY NO to Fox AND Fisher.That's what I thought during the first half of the Ravens game, but these chumps came back to save him. But yes, it appears this team has given up. However, I'm sure Bumblin'Bob McNair is OK with it and will be giving Rubes another vote of confidence tomorrow.
CJ for about 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Pass to Cook gets the 1st down.
Flag pre-snap. Encroachment on Okoye. Makes it 1st and 5.
CJ TFL for -2. Makes it 2nd and 7.
Deep pass to Washington goes inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Deep pass to Britt just off his hands. Titans to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the Texans 43.
11:12 left in the half.
Schaub is sacked back at the Texan 36. Makes it 2nd and 17.
Pass to JJ good for 4. 3rd and 13 coming up. Please don't throw a short pass...
Pass to AJ good for 15 and the 1st down. Ball at the Titan 45.
Foster TFL -2. 2nd and 12 coming up.
Dump to Foster who dances down the sideline for 15. 1st down.
Foster gets scrummed for 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Foster for 2. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Ward rushes for 1. 1st down.
6:19 left in the half.
Pass to Dreessen is inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to AJ in the endzone goes inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to AJ goes over his head. Texans to go for the FG.
Rackers 37 yarder is good.
Titans 21, Texans 3
5:45 left in the half.
Mariani brings the kickoff back to the Titan 37.
CJ runs for 4 but flag on the play. Holding on Titans - makes it 1st and 20.
Ringer for about 5. 2nd and 15 coming up.
Ringer for 5 more but flag on the play. Offsides Texans. Makes it 2nd and 10.
Ringer for 7. Makes it 3rd and 3.
Pass to Britt gets 8, 1st down.
Titans run for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Sack by A Smith -10. 3rd and 20 coming up.
Draw to CJ gets 7. Titans have to punt.
Timeout Texans.
Punt is downed at the Texans 7.
2 minute warning.
nunusguy
12-19-2010, 01:13 PM
Maybe McNair will now understand that you don't have anything but counterproductive results from your players (and coachs) when you brag on them and hand-out atta boys after losing another the game and being 5-8 ?
In the future maybe he realizes you threaten 'em with pink-slips when they screw-up as badly as this ?
Pass to Dreessen goes for 9.
Deep pass to KW is overthrown. Makes it 3rd and 1.
Pass to JJ gets 7, 1st down. Timeout Texans with 1:25 left in the half.
Looks like offsides Titans as pass goes complete to OD to the 28. Penalty is declined.
Dump to Foster gets the 1st down.
Illegal touching on JJ. Replay 1st down. 1st and 15.
Schaub's pass is INT'ed by Verner. Brings it back to the Texan 21.
CJ for no gain. Holding on Titans. Makes it 1st and 20 at the Texan 31.
CJ for about 8. Timeout Titans. 33 seconds left in the half.
Dump to CJ gets about 7. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Collins is sacked by Anderson. A little chippiness..... Flags are thrown.... 1 second left in the half.
Cushing is flagged for taking off his helmet.
Titans to go for the FG.
30 yarder is good.
Titans 24, Texans 3
Halftime.
chuck
12-19-2010, 01:28 PM
Gary Kubiak burns a time out leaving him with one in order to save 8 seconds. He demonstrates again and again that he is staggeringly stupid.
Halftime stats:
Passing: Schaub 14/20, 98 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Rushing: Foster 6/5, Ward 2/-1
Receiving: Foster 5/40, AJ 3/23, JJ 3/14, Dreessen 2/14, OD 1/7
Tackles: Bentley/Sharpton 4 each, Pollard/KJ/Cushing 3 each, A Smith/Allen/Anderson/GQ 2 each
3rd down conversions: Texans 3/8, Titans 3/8
Red zone: Texans 0/1, Titans 3/4
Time of possession: Texans 13:47, Titans 16:13
1st downs: Texans 6, Titans 11
Total yards: Texans 95, Titans 192
Penalties: Texans 9/66 (!), Titans 3/29
TheMatrix31
12-19-2010, 01:42 PM
Antonio Smith is a thuggish, unintelligent POS.
Slaton brings the 2nd half kickoff back to the Texans 23 but flag on the play. Offsides Titans, rekick.
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 33.
Pass to JJ gets about 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Pass to KW gets 5. 1st down. Ball at the Texan 46.
Foster for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Foster for 1. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Pass to Dreessen goes to the Titan 38. 1st down.
Pass to OD goes to the Titan 15. 1st down.
Dump to Foster goes to the 8 yard line. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Ward takes it to the 2. 1st goal.
On 1st and goal, Schuab is sacked back at the 13.
Pass to AJ good for the TD!
Titans 24, Texans 10
HPF Bob
12-19-2010, 02:01 PM
I think I've figured it out. Kubiak is in a fantasy league and Schaub is his quarterback. That explains why he lets his team fall way behind early so Schaub has to pass every down. Plus, he never fixes the defense so as to make sure Schaub has to keep throwing. Now, it all makes sense.
9:17 left in the 3rd.
Mariani brings the kickoff back to the Titan 36.
Pass to Cook goes for big gainer. Ball at the Texan 37.
Pass to Britt goes for 17.
Pass to Washington is caught out of bounds, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
CJ for no gain. Makes it 3rd and 10.
Pass is INT'ed by Allen! Texans ball at their 16!
Whoo, pass to AJ goes for 19, gets stripped but somehow AJ recovers his own fumble.
Pass to OD goes for 9.
Foster gets about 3 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 47.
Pass complete to KW for 13. Ball at the Titan 40. 1st down.
Dump to Ward goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to JJ gets 7. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Schaub gets sacked, loss of 9..... Texans have to punt.
Turk's punt goes into the endzone, touchback, Titans ball at their 20.
3:14 left in the 3rd.
CJ for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Pass to Washington goes for 17. 1st down.
Collins throws down, inc. Makes it 2nd and 10.
Pass to Britt good for 13. 1st down in Texan territory.
CJ busts one. 42 yards to the Texans 7.
Ringer runs it in for the TD.
Titans 31, Texans 10
28 seconds left in the 3rd.
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 18.
Pass to KW goes for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.
Pass to KW goes inc. 3rd and 1 coming up.
End of 3rd quarter.
nunusguy
12-19-2010, 02:20 PM
Was that an angle or did Allen just run down Chris Johnson ?
chuck
12-19-2010, 02:22 PM
I think I've figured it out. Kubiak is in a fantasy league and Schaub is his quarterback. That explains why he lets his team fall way behind early so Schaub has to pass every down. Plus, he never fixes the defense so as to make sure Schaub has to keep throwing. Now, it all makes sense.
Hopefully by next year that idiot's duties will be limited to fantasy teams.
Foster for no gain. On 4th and 1, Texans to go for it.
Pass to AJ gets the 1st down - gain of 4. A Titan is down on the play. Injury timeout.
chuck
12-19-2010, 02:23 PM
Was that an angle or did Allen just run down Chris Johnson ?
A little bit of both I think. Speaking of angles I have seen Cushing take a couple of horrible angles this game.
Was that an angle or did Allen just run down Chris Johnson ?
I think the angle helped but Allen showed some speed there.... he might be a keeper...
nunusguy
12-19-2010, 02:26 PM
Speaking of angles I have seen Cushing take a couple of horrible angles this game.
My wife just said we need to get Cushing some juice for Christmas. This is not the same guy we saw last year.
13:59 left in the game.
On 1st and 10, pass to AJ goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster for 5. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Schaub is sacked/stripped but Texans recover. Brings up 4th and 11 so the Texans to punt.
Turk's lousy punt is downed at the Titan 43 by the Texans.
CJ for about 6. 2nd and 4 coming up.
CJ TFL -2. Makes it 3rd and 6.
Collins 3rd down pass goes inc. Titans to punt. 11:01 left in the game.
JJ fair catches at the Texan 17.
Schaub's dump pass is thrown away. Makes it 2nd and 10.
Pass to KW goes to the Texan 35, 1st down.
Pass to JJ good for 12.
Pass to JJ good for 11.
Pass to OD broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Dump to Ward is inc. 3rd and 10 coming up. Timeout Texans.
9:01 left in the game.
On 3rd and 10, slant to KW goes for 15. 1st down.
Offsides Titans, makes it 1st and 5.
Offsides Titans, again. +5 and a new 1st down.
Ward for 8. Makes it 2nd and 2 at the Titan 12.
Ward for 4. 1st and goal at the 7.
Pass to JJ goes inc.
Quick pass to OD inc. 3rd and goal coming up.
Pass to OD inc but flag on the play. PI on Titans - auto 1st down at the 1.
Ward is TFL -3. Ball at the 4. 2nd and goal. Ward fumbled but was ruled down. Fisher to challenge.
Looks like Ward was down before the ball came out....
Play stands as called - still Texans ball.
On 2nd and goal at the 4, pass to KW goes for the TD but flag on the play. Offsides defense is declined.
Titans 31, Texans 17
Titans were offsides on the extra point, will be assessed on the kickoff.
Rackers onsides kick doesn't travel 10 yards and the Titans recover. Ball at the Texans 41.
CJ for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
CJ for 3. Makes it 3rd and 5. Timeout Texans. 5:35 left in the game.
CJ for no gain. Another timeout Texans.
On 4th and 4, Titans to go for it but they false start so that makes it 4th and 9 and now they will punt.
Flags pre-snap, offsides Titans -5.
JJ fair catches the punt at the Texan 20. 5:22 left in the game.
Pass to KW goes for 9 but flag on the play. Offsides Titans makes it 1st and 5.
Pass to OD goes for 6, 1st down.
Pass to JJ inc., broken up.
Dump to Ward goes for 10. 1st down.
Pass to Dreessen goes for 8.
Pass to KW goes for nice gainer - ball at the Titan 34.
Pass to AJ inc. 2nd and 10 coming up. 4:10 left.
Pass to KW goes inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Schaub's pass is INT'ed but flag on the play. Offsides Titans - replay 3rd down. Makes it 3rd and 5.
Pass to AJ goes inc. Makes it 4th and 5.
On 4th and 5, pass to Dickerson is caught in the endzone but only one foot in bounds. Titans ball at their 28.
CJ for about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
CJ runs for 19. 1st down. Coming up on 2 minutes left in the game.
CJ for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
2 minute warning.
CJ rushes for a 1st down.
Titans kneeling it out.
Final Score:
Titans 31, Texans 17
chuck
12-19-2010, 03:16 PM
And the Texans are once again alone in last place. Yep, we're certainly on the right track.
HPF Bob
12-19-2010, 03:23 PM
Congratulations, Texans! You've improved your draft position for next year. Losing to Tebow and the Broncos will be tough but if you show the same pluck next week that you showed this week, you can pull off the upset.
Fonz the Boss
12-19-2010, 03:45 PM
I wonder what it feels like to be Frank Bush. He's got to show up for 2 more weeks knowing that he will get the boot after the season. Whatever it is that he's feeling, he deserves it. At this point I don't even care if they start the defense from scratch again by trading key defensive players like Mario, Ryans, Smith, and Cushing. I know that probably wont happen but it wouldnt piss me off if they did it to acquire the personnel needed to make a switch to a 3-4 scheme.
chuck
12-19-2010, 03:48 PM
I wonder what it feels like to be Frank Bush. He's got to show up for 2 more weeks knowing that he will get the boot after the season. Whatever it is that he's feeling, he deserves it. At this point I don't even care if they start the defense from scratch again by trading key defensive players like Mario, Ryans, Smith, and Cushing. I know that probably wont happen but it wouldnt piss me off if they did it to acquire the personnel needed to make a switch to a 3-4 scheme.
Why does Frank Bush deserve to be fired more than anyone else? He's playing with the players his idiot GM and idiot HC gave him. He has the worst collection of talent in the secondary I have ever seen. He has very, very little talent to work with. What do you want him to do?
cadams
12-19-2010, 04:05 PM
they all need to be fired. anyone who even tries to defend kubiak has zero credibility
Fonz the Boss
12-19-2010, 04:08 PM
Why does Frank Bush deserve to be fired more than anyone else? He's playing with the players his idiot GM and idiot HC gave him. He has the worst collection of talent in the secondary I have ever seen. He has very, very little talent to work with. What do you want him to do?
Because it seems as if his game plan never changes from a week to week basis. Theres no X's and O's approach to the way he calls his defensive plays. Everybody knows that when you play the Eagles you want to blitz Vick's left so he can roll out to the right. If you have the worst secondary in the league then being blitz happy is your best option. At times we may get beat in man to man coverage but applying the pressure gives the DBs a better chance to make plays. We've only seen the blitz packages in the past couple of weeks because at his point he already knows his arse is on the line. He's in panic mode and that's why he's taking the risks. If he would have been aggressive from the start it would have masked our terrible secondary.
Fonz the Boss
12-19-2010, 04:18 PM
Also, Im not defending Kubiak because I know that he didnt do anything to correct the problem. The only thing is that I liked the way our offense played for most of this season. Schaub, Johnson, and Foster are all top 5 in overall stats for their position. Another offensive system will make our offense take a few steps back and that wouldn't be good. The only reason some teams have the luxury to go to the playoffs with mediocre offense is because of their defense. I know one thing for fact... we wont have a Jets type of defense next year so theres no need to mess with the offense's progression.
chuck
12-19-2010, 04:53 PM
Also, Im not defending Kubiak because I know that he didnt do anything to correct the problem. The only thing is that I liked the way our offense played for most of this season. Schaub, Johnson, and Foster are all top 5 in overall stats for their position. Another offensive system will make our offense take a few steps back and that wouldn't be good. The only reason some teams have the luxury to go to the playoffs with mediocre offense is because of their defense. I know one thing for fact... we wont have a Jets type of defense next year so theres no need to mess with the offense's progression.
The offense has several very good and even great skill players. But they do not score enough points to win and this season they have averaged something pathetic like less than three points in the first quarter. I would be perfectly happy to install a totally different offense under a competent head coach.
Joshua
12-19-2010, 06:00 PM
I agree with Chuck. The offense is pretty good but it's not like we're talking about the 2000 Rams. There is nothing about this offense so great that it should warrant giving Kubiak another chance. Besides, aren't we all here every Sunday and Monday complaining about the offensive playcalling? If it's so great, why do I remember bitching about it so much?
barrett
12-19-2010, 06:05 PM
I don't think we should touch the offense. I think a defensive head coach and a coordinator with roots in the same system is the way to go.
BUT...if a new head coach wants to go with a new system I am pretty sure any system work well if you have the players for it. I am actually not aware of a system that would not work with Schaub, AJ, Foster, KW, our OL, and the rest. So as long as the new coach isn't intent on McDanielsing our best players, then I don't see how we are guaranteed some huge step back.
I also can't understand how you want to give Kubiak credit for the offense but no blame for the Defense. He is the head coach. They are both to his blame and his credit. But if you are more comfortable making Frank Bush into a boogie man than go ahead. But I have to ask you, if our Coordinator is the problem, what chance of hiring a better coordinator does Kubiak have since he has already screwed that up twice?
HPF Bob
12-19-2010, 06:29 PM
So as long as the new coach isn't intent on McDanielsing our best players,
A verb! I like it.
Really, the Texans can get rid of anybody but Foster or AJ and I can accept it. Even Schaub. How often do we overlook his ****************-ups because there are worse players on the team?
Joshua
12-19-2010, 07:08 PM
Just looked at some offensive team stats on NFL.com. The Texans average 23.8 points per game. That's a whopping 1 more point than the Jaguars, 0.8 points more than the Titans, and 0.4 less than the Raiders. I doubt anyone would say you can't fire Jack Del Rio or Tom Cable because their offense is too prolific to let walk out the door. Plus, the Texans offense has been dreadful in the 1st half of virtually every game. I couldn't find the stat but I heard somewhere that we average less points in the 1st half than the Browns. While I have no stat to prove it, in an odd way, I think our offensive stats actually benefit from our crappy defense because these games get out of hand so early, the other team lets up some, even if subconsciously and then the offense pours it on. Not sure the offense would be as good if the defense actually kept it close and the other team kept up their intensity.
I don't say this to belittle the offense. They are 10th in scoring which is pretty good. The reason I'm noting it is because I do think people tend to overestimate this offense (probably be because the defense is so bad, any above average production somewhere else looks incredible).
Fonz the Boss
12-19-2010, 08:38 PM
The offense has several very good and even great skill players. But they do not score enough points to win and this season they have averaged something pathetic like less than three points in the first quarter. I would be perfectly happy to install a totally different offense under a competent head coach.
I know what youre saying about the first half points but part of that is because of the defense as well. We have been at a point where we cant afford 3 and outs on offense in the first half of games mainly because the opponents just chew up clock on our defense who cant stop anybody. I dont know if there's a stat for number of offensive possessions per half because if there was such a stat then im pretty sure we would be near the bottom. We need turnovers in order for our offense to have more opportunities for scores.
chuck
12-19-2010, 10:23 PM
I don't think we should touch the offense. I think a defensive head coach and a coordinator with roots in the same system is the way to go.
BUT...if a new head coach wants to go with a new system I am pretty sure any system work well if you have the players for it.
I'm pretty much right there with you on this. I would not mind doing fewer roll-outs and becoming more vertical, but we can keep what we have or re-tool it a little, pretty much any HC who is not a moron would be a step up.
I know what youre saying about the first half points but part of that is because of the defense as well. We have been at a point where we cant afford 3 and outs on offense in the first half of games mainly because the opponents just chew up clock on our defense who cant stop anybody. I dont know if there's a stat for number of offensive possessions per half because if there was such a stat then im pretty sure we would be near the bottom. We need turnovers in order for our offense to have more opportunities for scores.
You're right that the offense would be more effective if the defense could get a turnover every now and then, and when the Texans lose they almost always lose the TOP battle. That was particularly evident earlier in the year. My problem is the offense tends to click when they go uptempo which they do once they get behind by three scores. In today's case they were behind by three scores in the first quarter. They went uptempo in the second half and started moving the ball. For this offense to suck as badly as it does in each and every first quarter of the season (with the exception I think of the first Titans game), to me that speaks to the inability of the coaches to game plan properly or to be flexible once you see that the defense is addressing your plan. Bob is right that sometimes Schaub has series where he is very, very inconsistent - bouncing balls to guys, overthrowing other guys, not sensing pressure... But the team's inability to do anything in the first quarter or really even the first half is down to the game plan. I don't know whether it is stubbornness or stupidity or lack of creativity or what, but the numbers are there and they do not lie.
Blitzwood
12-20-2010, 12:17 AM
Yea, scoring 3 points against a Titans defense in a half isn't cause for concern....a 5-7 defense. But then again we're 30th in the league in first half points so what difference does it make. Who cares if we have the #1 RB & WR in the game.
Let's just get a top notch draft pick and see what happens next year.....:rolleyes:
barrett
12-20-2010, 01:14 AM
I'm pretty much right there with you on this. I would not mind doing fewer roll-outs and becoming more vertical, but we can keep what we have or re-tool it a little, pretty much any HC who is not a moron would be a step up.
You're right that the offense would be more effective if the defense could get a turnover every now and then, and when the Texans lose they almost always lose the TOP battle. That was particularly evident earlier in the year. My problem is the offense tends to click when they go uptempo which they do once they get behind by three scores. In today's case they were behind by three scores in the first quarter. They went uptempo in the second half and started moving the ball. For this offense to suck as badly as it does in each and every first quarter of the season (with the exception I think of the first Titans game), to me that speaks to the inability of the coaches to game plan properly or to be flexible once you see that the defense is addressing your plan. Bob is right that sometimes Schaub has series where he is very, very inconsistent - bouncing balls to guys, overthrowing other guys, not sensing pressure... But the team's inability to do anything in the first quarter or really even the first half is down to the game plan. I don't know whether it is stubbornness or stupidity or lack of creativity or what, but the numbers are there and they do not lie.
We are at our best when we throw the ball. This has been true for years. Foster is great, but we still should be a team that throws aggressively and looks to put points on the board at all times.
I've been complaining for years though that we are jeckyl and hyde in terms on personality.
We are best when we pass but prefer to run.
We are best in a shootout, but have a defense that can't cause turnovers or pressure the QB consistently (what defenses focus on when they know their Offense will put up points).
We have a coach who wants to run the ball and play it close but a terrible defense.
We are best with 3 or 4 WR, but we stockpile TEs and then force them onto the field in 2 TE sets where we become less threatening.
We have a "great" offense but come out looking to plod and pound every week.
We play JJ in the slot and work him almost exclusively over the middle, even though he can't catch. I can't remember a deep ball to him all season though. And then we try to work David Anderson exclusively on the sideline.
We try to make Joel Dreesen a playmaking threat and bury James Casey on the bench.
We had only OLBs for backups and then drafted another OLB and had no backup MLB.
We are ultra conservative in 4th down calls and such, but we are crappy in the kicking game and the return game and are ill-suited to trade field position with teams. I can't count how many times we have punted on a 4th and medium from the positive side of the field only to net 20 yards.
Our only win in the last 8 GAMES was courtesy of Rusty Smith.
Can anyone honestly say they have any clue what our team's primary goal is at the start of each week? On either side of the ball? I bet we would get 20 different answers from 20 different people.
Is it any wonder we perform our best when there is only one thing we can do? We are good when trailing late in games because everyone is on the same page about what we are trying to accomplish. Of course, as soon as we come back we are wandering in the desert again.
This is a football team with no direction and no sense of what they are trying to accomplish. No way does this fall at Frank Bush's feet.
HPF Bob
12-20-2010, 01:36 AM
Personally, I thought we wasted Foster most of the season except in Week 1 and the week in Oakland. We'd run Foster on first down and maybe on second and, even when it worked, we couldn't wait to start throwing the ball around even on days that Schaub sucked when we should have been giving the rock to Foster and Ward until the other team figured out how to stop it and *then* after they had cheated up to stop it, burned then with play action. Instead, we'd let Foster run on the obvious first down and might even do it two plays in a row but, after he'd get a first down or two, they'd go away from it and then be forced to punt.
Running the ball is easier than passing the ball. If you establish that you can run, good coaches will force you to stop it. Only against Indy did we keep running it down their throats. A smart coach knows that you tire a defense by keeping it on the field all day so they have nothing left by the 4th quarter and, with all these defenses being built to stop the pass, a strong running game is the best weapon to wear the opposition down and keep your own defense from being exposed for the chumps that they are.
chuck
12-20-2010, 01:48 AM
OK, barrett gets an A+ for his effort and Bob gets an A-. It would be a straight A for Bob but I told everyone that it was a two-page paper. True, Bob handed in two pages but he'd adjusted it to an absurdly large font size.
barrett
12-20-2010, 07:57 AM
Personally, I thought we wasted Foster most of the season except in Week 1 and the week in Oakland. We'd run Foster on first down and maybe on second and, even when it worked, we couldn't wait to start throwing the ball around even on days that Schaub sucked when we should have been giving the rock to Foster and Ward until the other team figured out how to stop it and *then* after they had cheated up to stop it, burned then with play action. Instead, we'd let Foster run on the obvious first down and might even do it two plays in a row but, after he'd get a first down or two, they'd go away from it and then be forced to punt.
Running the ball is easier than passing the ball. If you establish that you can run, good coaches will force you to stop it. Only against Indy did we keep running it down their throats. A smart coach knows that you tire a defense by keeping it on the field all day so they have nothing left by the 4th quarter and, with all these defenses being built to stop the pass, a strong running game is the best weapon to wear the opposition down and keep your own defense from being exposed for the chumps that they are.
Fair enough Bob, but my point was that we never had any idea what we wanted to do. Kubiak himself could not tell you what our first objective was going into a game. There was nothing this team was trying to accomplish.
Did we want to establish the run? Did we want to be a passing team? Were we looking to score and win with offense? Did we want to control the clock to protect the defense?
None of that ever came clearly through. No gameplan ever demonstrated that even our coaches had any idea of what we are.
HPF Bob
12-20-2010, 09:12 AM
I'll agree to that, except in Week 1 there seemed to be no real plan. That said, it's not the coach's job to *advertise* to the fans what the game plan is. You're supposed to keep the defense guessing however when you fall behind as early and often as we did, you need no degrees to figure out the strategy was to throw the ball to catch up. It worked against KC and almost worked in a few other games but this offense is more talented than to fall behind to everyone. They just couldn't stop shooting themselves in the foot, whether it be from dropped passes, dumb penalties, untimely turnovers or plain old bad luck.
chuck
12-20-2010, 10:14 AM
Fair enough Bob, but my point was that we never had any idea what we wanted to do. Kubiak himself could not tell you what our first objective was going into a game. There was nothing this team was trying to accomplish.
Kubiak has said repeatedly that he wants to have a balanced offense. He wants to run as much as they throw. Of course it never works like that because they come out throwing and often go three and out. They run the ball largely the next couple of series. Unfortunately in this time the defense has invariably given up a couple of touchdowns so they have to start throwing the ball around and the final numbers are usually very lopsided in favor of the passing game.
Other than that I have no idea what they are trying to do.
barrett
12-20-2010, 12:08 PM
I'll agree to that, except in Week 1 there seemed to be no real plan. That said, it's not the coach's job to *advertise* to the fans what the game plan is. You're supposed to keep the defense guessing however when you fall behind as early and often as we did, you need no degrees to figure out the strategy was to throw the ball to catch up. It worked against KC and almost worked in a few other games but this offense is more talented than to fall behind to everyone. They just couldn't stop shooting themselves in the foot, whether it be from dropped passes, dumb penalties, untimely turnovers or plain old bad luck.
I don't need advertising. And a team's goals cannot remain secret after the game unless they fail completely to accomplish them.
Last night for instance, Green Bay came in with no Aaron Rodgers for a very difficult road game. All night it was clear they wanted to run the ball to take pressure off of Flynn, but that they also wanted to take shots down field to look for quick scores, and that they wanted to involve the RBs in the passing game more than Rodgers does. No advertising is needed to see that AFTER the game. And it's not supposed to remain secret after the game.
The Texans never had a direction until they were forced into one. And then when they were forced into one, they were great, because great players perform great when they know what they are doing. Every great moment for us this year came when it was clear what we needed to do. And not just throwing from behind. But even the Indy win in week 1 when it was clear we needed to run to protect the D and kill the clock.
When our offensive aim was clear, we were great. When the canvas was blank, we wandered in aimless circles.
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